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Prime Blue
07-19-2007, 12:36 PM
Yep, another canon/non-canon-topic, as if we didn't have enough of them already.

Question 6 here (http://www.survivhor.com/morbidcreations/re_behind/recv_qanda.htm) pretty much confirms that Gaiden is canon.

Leon was on another mission in December 1998 -> can't be Resident Evil 2 nor Resident Evil 4, so it has to be Gaiden (further confirmed by the mentioning of the anti-Umbrella-group).
Gaiden also was in development during this interview.

Okay, now bring on the "Resident Evil 4" contradicts "Gaiden" because it does...not.

A-J
07-19-2007, 01:23 PM
you do realize RE gaiden had something of an anticlimactic ending .

Prime Blue
07-19-2007, 02:20 PM
you do realize RE gaiden had something of an anticlimactic ending .
So RE4 is non-canon, too?
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Project Omega
07-19-2007, 02:38 PM
So, in the middle of a mission, he found the time to check his email, then some how contact Chris (who apparently does not believe in email, mind you). I'm not sure where that would exactly fit into Leon's mission. Perhaps he was investigating the mission before he actually departed for the ship when he was contacted? That would be the only feasable explanation really...

A-J
07-19-2007, 02:51 PM
So RE4 is non-canon, too?

eh ? i was referring to the part of the game implying that leon is actually the bow thingie, i dont see the re4 connection here ?

News Bot
07-19-2007, 05:31 PM
I don't think this could still be called reliable info anymore. How old is that interview? 6 years?

In my opinion, Gaiden isn't part of the official storyline. Since even the title itself means "side-story" in Japanese.

Besides, it's not like it could have been a different mission, you don't have to automatically assume that it was Gaiden. I'm sure 1998 would've been a really turbulent year for whatever anti-Umbrella group Leon was working for.

Ridley W. Hayes
07-19-2007, 08:57 PM
Besides of the cliffhanger ending where Leon seams to be the BOW (sorry for those who doesn't play it yet... play it under your own risk, and join the group if you're disapointed), as CiarenDevlin said, Gaiden means "side-story" in Japanese.

Is a Spin-Off...

Prime Blue
07-20-2007, 12:53 AM
eh ? i was referring to the part of the game implying that leon is actually the bow thingie, i dont see the re4 connection here ?
Forget it. You didn't get what I did there.


I don't think this could still be called reliable info anymore. How old is that interview? 6 years?
Coming that way would make every single bit of information irrelevant, including the previous games.


In my opinion, Gaiden isn't part of the official storyline. Since even the title itself means "side-story" in Japanese.
It does not, 外伝 (gaiden) means "additional story".


Besides, it's not like it could have been a different mission, you don't have to automatically assume that it was Gaiden. I'm sure 1998 would've been a really turbulent year for whatever anti-Umbrella group Leon was working for.
Katoh mentions that "this story has already been finished" (written), meaning it is being used in a then future game.

Dot50Cal
07-20-2007, 12:56 AM
"Gaiden is a Japanese term for a side story. Sometimes the English phrase "Another Story" is used within a Japanese title. Often the side story is considered to take place in an alternate universe from its original counterpart, and does not affect the main story. "

News Bot
07-20-2007, 01:03 AM
Coming that way would make every single bit of information irrelevant, including the previous games.

But you have to realize that with RE, it's not the exact same team working on each game. The team is almost entirely different through each literation. That's primarily the reason why there are so many plot holes. They can make and break whatever information they see fit. Which is most likely the case with that interview.

Besides. The ending to Gaiden was only feasible until RE4 was announced. Then it was like "NOPE LOL". So..that's it. You can't really say the game is canon through the ending, which is so blatantly ass raping to the storyline after the release of RE4.

Prime Blue
07-20-2007, 01:10 AM
"Gaiden is a Japanese term for a side story. Sometimes the English phrase "Another Story" is used within a Japanese title. Often the side story is considered to take place in an alternate universe from its original counterpart, and does not affect the main story. "
Wikipedia is a no-no. I could have written it means "lemon tree" and people would spread the word. And it reads:
Sometimes the side story is considered to take place in an alternate universe from its original counterpart, and does not affect the main story.
That's a consequence of mistranslating the term in the first place. And because few games use it that way (heck, even "Majora's Mask" was called "Zelda Gaiden" before the name-change and its story was the same as the final and it is part of the timeline), doesn't mean Resident Evil Gaiden has to.
Just look for the term 外伝 in a dictionary.


Besides. The ending to Gaiden was only feasible until RE4 was announced. Then it was like "NOPE LOL". So..that's it. You can't really say the game is canon through the ending, which is so blatantly ass raping to the storyline after the release of RE4.
1998 - 2004

Dot50Cal
07-20-2007, 01:47 AM
Play RE4. Does Leon have green blood? Nope. End of discussion.

Prime Blue
07-20-2007, 01:55 AM
Play RE4. Does Leon have green blood? Nope. End of discussion.
I understand, Mr. Mikami.

News Bot
07-20-2007, 02:16 AM
1998 - 2004

I don't see how a few years changes the fact that you are not even human.

Krispy
07-20-2007, 02:21 AM
Let me explain something very delicate to you. You cannot use information from an interview casted by a director who didn't even direct Gaiden to validate your wild theory. You are picking and choosing information from different sources to show your side of the argument. This is a common practice in politics, Moore uses this tactic, and its getting old.

The interview is not relevant to anything, if at all, other than CV itself, directly.

Dot50Cal
07-20-2007, 02:33 AM
I understand, Mr. Mikami.

Found out again ;( I guess its time to make a new identity :'(.

Dot50Cal
07-20-2007, 03:00 AM
I was a bit of a dick looking back on it, I should have phrased my skepticism better :P

A-J
07-20-2007, 04:15 AM
get a room you wo

Krispy
07-20-2007, 05:40 AM
I was a bit of a dick looking back on it, I should have phrased my skepticism better :P

You defeat radical ideals with radical motions. ;)

Rombie
07-20-2007, 12:07 PM
The script for Gaiden was written bt M4, not Mikami. The only input from it from Capcom was Okamoto when he was still working for Capcom (and at the time he was overseeing the attempts at RE4, the GC planing including REZero, the Resident Evil movie, and the general property - plus whatever else his jobs were at Capcom at the time)... it's highly unlikely he really cared what Gaiden was about.

BLSR1
07-21-2007, 01:08 AM
Gaiden might work with the old beta RE4 but notwith the one that is canon
Leon is obviously not a BOW engineered buy umbrella

Unless there are 2 leons 1 working for the president the other with the
anti-umbrella organization

Skunky
02-04-2009, 09:13 PM
Sorry for the bump but I did a search before starting a new thread and found this one.

I only just now turned my RE calendar over to February and read this about Leon:

Leon is a Playable character in RE2 and RE4. The story of his move into the US government is told in an unlockable RE3 epilogue. In RE Survivor and RE-CV, Leon has small cameos as part of an anti-Umbrella force. Finally, a cliff hanger ending in RE-Gaiden, shows Leon bleeding green blood, a sign of viral infection. However, that story arc was not resolved in Leon's next appearance in RE4.
So, that 'story arc' will be resolved in a later game?
I guess it comes back to whether Gaiden should be considered canon or not. It's the only RE game I havn't played but I read that most fans don't consider it canon (I DO consider Survivor, Dead Aim and a mixture of the Outbreak scenarios as being canon).
Also as Dot said, we see Leon bleed in RE4 and he dosn't have green blood.
Maybe that could be a story or chapter for another game? Where Leon ends up getting cured...

Rock it.
02-04-2009, 10:25 PM
I don't believe it's canon. And if its, Leon obviously got cured, so in any way you look at it, the game is irrelevant and is best left forgotten.

Stars1356
02-04-2009, 11:33 PM
This is the only RE game that I haven't played and just pretend it doesn't exist. The game has never been confirmed to be canon and after RE 4 don't think it will be.

The Ekamp
02-04-2009, 11:54 PM
Vat a tweest! =o

The Leon in RE4 and Degen that fans complain about, who they think isn't like his old RE2 self, may just be a twisted doppelganger!

missvalentine
02-05-2009, 03:59 AM
Vat a tweest! =o

The Leon in RE4 and Degen that fans complain about, who they think isn't like his old RE2 self, may just be a twisted doppelganger!

:o OMG!!!! :P

that would explain the S in Leon S Kennedy. :D

Corrin
02-05-2009, 05:03 AM
I think it's pretty obvious the game was initially set to be a canon game, since the older builds of RE4 had Leon suffering from a viral infection (as seen in Gaiden). Capcom decided, for whatever reason, to trash this storyline, re-do RE4, then just ignore what was set-up in RE:Gaiden.

Carnivol
02-05-2009, 08:22 AM
Since people like theories... here's one:

Resident Evil 2
-Leon, rookie cop. Survives Raccoon City incident.

*zip forward*

Resident Evil: Gaiden
-Ending shows Leon all bleeding green 'n stuff (shits)

*zip forward*

Resident Evil 3.5
-Infected Leon. Possibly building on Gaiden, possibly building on its own storyline. Either way; Game cancelled.

*zip forward*

Resident Evil 4
-Leon is Super Ultra Agent Man III

Resident Evil: Degeneration
-Leon is still Super Ultra Agent Man III


Anyway... this isn't too unlike...

Resident Evil
-Wesker, douchebag of S.T.A.R.S., presumably killed by a Tyrant

*zip forward*

Resident Evil: Code: Veronica
-Wesker, douchebag of S.T.A.R.S., back in action w/super powers.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7445/1231823749193qv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Anyway, as far as RE canon goes; I still live by rule of thumb that as long as nothing in a later release does not blatantly contradict the events of a previous - it is canon.

'cause seriously, the RE franchise is more faulty and self-contradicting than almost any other franchise where people oddly enough have cared about the "little details".

So as far as I'm concerned, RE:Gaiden is "at the moment" still considered canon. We just dunno what happened "inbetween". Just like we didn't know what happened "before" until we got Zero and what happens next until we've got RE5.

A-J
02-05-2009, 11:42 AM
Resident Evil 4
-Leon is Super Ultra Agent Man III

but he's still a normal human .. its the same as with solid snake .. he's just taking a lot of pain, but he's still a normal guy.


Anyway... this isn't too unlike...

Resident Evil
-Wesker,

but remember how wesker's mutation and his powers have been openly shown/revealed in the games themselves ?

Archelon
02-05-2009, 12:43 PM
Being infected with the parasite from Gaiden does not make you bleed green blood. The Leon at the end of Gaiden is the BOW itself, because only it bleeds green blood.

A-J
02-05-2009, 12:51 PM
The Leon at the end of Gaiden is the BOW itself, because only it bleeds green blood.

which would mean that the real leon was killed or left in the ocean ..

which isn't exactly how it happened, gaiden just isn't canon, face it people.

News Bot
02-05-2009, 03:27 PM
which isn't exactly how it happened, gaiden just isn't canon, face it people.

This. Absolutely zero relevance to the series other than namesake. Like the movies.

Skunky
02-05-2009, 09:08 PM
Okay, there seems to be a majority agreement that we just pretend Gaiden never existed. (we're gonna scrub Gaiden from the face of the series!)
I'm okay with that...

But I'm still slightly tempted to one day buy a GBC and a copy of Gaiden, so I can play it.

Stars_g36
02-05-2009, 11:57 PM
i have my copy of it! :) I could care less if it was cannon or not...I liked it as a side story, much better then any mobile RE game...actually had some sort of story line, it was like Dead Aim (ship wise) and RE4 with the girl on the ship. Barry was also there! So who knows!

Bianca
02-06-2009, 01:21 AM
I played Gaiden long, looooong ago, and I barely remember anything about it, save for the clunky battling system. I still have my copy, and I'd like to play it again, but I don't really have the patience for it anymore. One day I will surely revisit it though.

Gaiden, to me, is really the only complete letdown in the series. I mean, at least I minimally enjoyed Survivor, but Gaiden left me in nothing but frustration and disappointment. And, of course, I'm quite a big fan of Dead Aim, and will never understand why more people won't give it a chance. Survivor 2 barely counts, but at least it's fun.

But, getting to the point: No, I do not think Gaiden is canon. Not at all. There would've been mention of it in the main series by now. Capcom themselves seems to want to forget the game exists.

Corrin
02-06-2009, 01:22 AM
All I know is we need a real RE game starring Barry and Leon...just imagine the limitless possibilities for cheesy, awful dialogue!

Yzak
02-06-2009, 06:02 AM
I've played (and beaten, orz) Gaiden. I actually think the battle system for it is cute and fun, but to an extent - I got sick of it if I played for too long and had to wind up being in a mood to play it when I wanted to play more. The story though was hilariously ridiculous and said ridiculousness was the reason I played the game at all. It's a game you can't play through seriously, so I had fun loling at almost everything. Especially that ending and the HUMAN DISGUISED B.O.W. OH NOES.

Death Club
02-06-2009, 06:42 PM
Why would you even want it Canon?.... this topic is insane

Harry Mason
02-08-2009, 04:33 PM
I agree that Gaiden is canon. It was released by Capcom and featured Barry on his next mission that we heard about at the end of RE3. Maybe in the future they will have another one..but I don't stay awake at night wishing it wasn't canon. Besides there is a T-virus vaccine right? So It's not too hard to figure Leon getting some vaccine working in a anti-BOW org...

I was disappointed that the original GBC game was canceled since I had pre-order money on it. I'm just surprised that they didn't use a game engine like metal gear on GBC it would have made it more enjoyable.

Carnivol
02-08-2009, 04:42 PM
I was disappointed that the original GBC game was canceled since I had pre-order money on it. I'm just surprised that they didn't use a game engine like metal gear on GBC it would have made it more enjoyable.

Agree. It was a bit of an odd choice for it to use a closed off battle system and such. I guess they figured they wanted to do something like "Survivor" (Letting there be "mainline" games and then "FPS side-stories")

I think something like Metal Gear Solid (Ghost Babel) or Perfect Dark would've been the way to go (infact, rumble pak cartridge like Perfect Dark would've certainly been the way to go, could've worked some wonders for the shortcomings of screen space and audio on the system. Evt. also use some of that nice rotoscoping for fluid animation and such. Could've been a nice and more "faithful" end result.)

Anyway, Gaiden's not THAT bad, and a little bit of recent talk about it has infact made me want to replay it again sometime soon.

A-J
02-08-2009, 04:52 PM
Anyway, Gaiden's not THAT bad, and a little bit of recent talk about it has infact made me want to replay it again sometime soon.

i honestly thought capcom made a REALLY bad decision by making it on the GB COLOR of all things, a GBA game could have been so much more .. hell an original DS or PSP title wouldn't be a bad idea right now either ..

cvxfreak
02-09-2009, 02:42 AM
I thought Gaiden took place 6 months after RE2, making it sometime after CV?

And 外伝 means sidestory in the context of videogames. Or perhaps supplement, but the characters strictly adhere to "outside" 外 and "story" 伝. Wikipedia is right. Prime Blue used a dictionary, but as my year long stay in Japan proved, dictionaries are NOT the most reliable way to get proper meanings. Tell me Prime Blue, if you looked up 偽善者 in the dictionary, could you tell me more about the word than what the dictionary spews out?

And the game wasn't even written by Japanese people to begin with, so the term Gaiden was used with a Western assumption in mind.

News Bot
02-09-2009, 02:43 AM
I agree that Gaiden is canon. It was released by Capcom

It was developed by Virgin. Story and all.


Besides there is a T-virus vaccine right? So It's not too hard to figure Leon getting some vaccine working in a anti-BOW org...

Uhh, the Leon at the end isn't Leon at all. It's the B.O.W. A vaccine wouldn't do anything.

Rombie
02-09-2009, 04:41 AM
It was developed by Virgin. Story and all.

Actually it was a small independent dev team in England called M4 Limited (http://web.archive.org/web/20020608045217/http://www.m4.co.uk/Games/Reg.htm). Virgin just did publishing in the UK as per earlier Capcom contracts for the GBC title. Also check the credits to see who had input on the scenario and planning for the game:


Scenario & Planning - Hiroki Kato

Even Mikami is listed as an advisor on the game (!) so Capcom clearly had input on what the title was. Personally, and this goes against what I'm pushing though, I'd expect that the title never was expected canon. Very little if anything has ever been mentioned of it in the various documents Capcom has published surrounding the chronology since and I think that itself speaks strongly on it not being canon.

As for why they released a GBC title when the GBA was out... the theory a few years back as to why the game was a GBC title was Capcom purchased a publishing license in 1999 from Nintendo for a unspecified Resident Evil GBC title.... and so when their planned RE port game fell through, they had Gaiden made to still produce a promised RE title on the format and make use of the license rather than wasting it. Additionally, given Mikami's connections with Nintendo around the time the title was being made and released (in the Capcom 5 on GC era) it's not surprising he'd push for it and thats probably why he's listed under that advisory role.

Helegad
02-09-2009, 06:48 AM
Use your imagination guys. Leon could have still survived at the end. Here's my creative theory:

Barry notices the green blood and puts a cap in the BOW's ass (yo nigga) /gangsta
Leon managed to get out of the ship and survive the sinking by jumping out of an open window.
Leon swims to the boat.
Barry, Leon, and Lucia have an orgy then row home.
The end.

News Bot
02-10-2009, 10:52 AM
Actually it was a small independent dev team in England called M4 Limited. Virgin just did publishing in the UK as per earlier Capcom contracts for the GBC title. Also check the credits to see who had input on the scenario and planning for the game:

Ah, correction. I knew it was a more specific team, but Virgin was the only thing that crossed my mind.

aris13
02-10-2009, 03:02 PM
Gaiden isn't canon. I'm going to play the ending card one more time.:lol:

Rakkoon
02-10-2009, 05:08 PM
Come on people, it's just for fun. It's obvious. People are giving this too much thought. Why all the attention? I don't even care about Gaiden or any of the Survivor titles. Playing each of those 'games' once has been enough. I have never wanted to play them again, and I've always thought they were silly, and just for fun.

Darkmoon
02-10-2009, 07:04 PM
Because if they're not canon they need not be paid any attention.

REmaster
02-10-2009, 08:13 PM
The start of Gaiden reminds me of contra or the original G.I. joe game on nintendo with it's fast paced little theme song.