Xbox 360 or PS3? *flinch*

[LeonsBuddyDave]

I figured it was coming sometime. With the distinct lack of any news of a Wii port of RE5, I figure that if I want to play it, I'll have to get a 360 or PS3 somewhere down the line. (I shudder to think of what they'll do to it on the PC, don't even suggest that.).

The point is, I wanted your opinions. I've been doing research and I'm having difficulty deciding which one would be best.

Xbox 360:
Pros:
Somewhat Cheaper
From what I've seen, better games and a lot of them
Better lighting effects

Cons:
I've heard they aren't very reliable
Online requires paid subscription
Some Region Locking

Playstation 3:
Pros:
Doubles as a Blu-Ray Player
Quite a few exclusive games
No Region Locking
Built-in Wireless
Larger HD


Cons:
Large Price Tag
Less of an Online Community
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I'd like you guys to help me add to the lists. If you own either one of these systems and have anything good or bad to say about, speak up! Any input is appreciated.

[TheSelfishGene]

You have to pay a subscription fee to play online (Xbox live gold).
To play online with Playstation you don't.
No region locking on PS3 games (yet).

PS3 has wireless built-in (so you can get on the net), and a web browser.
360 you need an add on, and it doesn't have a web browser.

Feel free to correct me on this. I don't own either, but I've done some research as I'm thinking of buying one either soon.

[rewak]

Some 360 games are not region locked, it's up to the developer if they want to lock it or not. A great place to go is PlayAsia who have a bit on the page of every game telling you if it's region locked, and if it is to what regions.

[LeonsBuddyDave]

So far it seems that PS3 is in the lead. Is there any real difference graphics-wise?

[rewak]

Early on a lot of games on both consoles, it was seen the 360 had better lighting effects, but now actually i'd say on par.

[Helegad]

I thought the PS3 had more processing power... is this true?

[Umon Daisuke]

Yes, it does have a CPU edge (360 has a bit of an edge with the GPU). For multiplatform titles, it's a non-issue since the game end up being identical nowadays anyway. The only difference I've personally seen was that DMC4's cutscenes ran at 60fps on PS3 and 30 on 360.

I say look at the first party exclusives for each system, and make a decision. From my experience, it's not quite worth having both for games since the vast majority of third party titles are multiplatform (or timed exclusive).

If you care about BD and HDD space, the PS3 is the way to go. If you care more about an online community type gameplay, go for the 360.

[Borman]

I prefer the PS3 at this stage of the game. Not that the 360 is a horrible choice, its just that yeah, as Umon said, the online community on the PS3 is about the only downfall. Difference being, I don't play online all that often anymore, so it doesnt bother me. And while there's less players, there's also less headsets, so less annoying voices in my ear :P

[TheSelfishGene]

I'm still deciding. At E3 Sony announced they would phase out the 40gb models with an identical unit, only with an 80gb hard drive. Has a price cut been suggested on the old 40gb stock? And does anyone know when the newer 80gb units will come out? It was sometime during August right? Hopefully I'll be able to grab a 40gb then and save a few $$$.

[TheOrganization]

your swaying towards the ps3, you could always get that, then at a later date invest ina 360 to

[Nomad9026]

Don't forget about overheating. X-360 becomes hot as hell just after an hour or so of work, without different expensive modifications, so you can play longer on PS3 and don't worry that your console will blow any minute.

[Stu]

Don't forget about overheating. X-360 becomes hot as hell just after an hour or so of work, without different expensive modifications, so you can play longer on PS3 and don't worry that your console will blow any minute.Wow! Fanboy-fuelled out of date inaccuracy much?

I play my 360 for long periods of time quite regularly, and it's always a perfectly acceptable temperature each and every time.

[Darkmoon]

Gotta admit when I play the 360 I usually play for several hours and so far it hasn't burst into flame. I do have an intercooler and keep it in a cold spot, but that's just common sense. Hell, my old one which broke down actually started working again for no good reason.

[Umon Daisuke]

I do have an intercooler and keep it in a cold spot, but that's just common sense.


Neither of what you said is common sense, particularly keeping electronics in cold spots. Ventilation is key, and buying an add on to compensate for a flawed heat sink design is hardly a good thing. I keep mine in a well ventilated area, and it's fine. The problems I've had were DVD drive related, and I have played the console 7 straight hours at times (more recently, it may have been more with NGII)

Nomad's fanboy-ish exaggeration aside, the PROD issue is caused by heat. However, the console doesn't heat up much on its exterior, so it won't blow up or melt etc. The PS3 in comparison does heat up its surroundings, because the heat sink is quite complex and rids of any internal generated heat well. It can dub as a heater at times :D

[Darkmoon]

Alright, allow me to restate that: Common sense when using a 360.

[BLSR1]

Its not wise to ask of others' opinion on these kind of things.

What matters is what system is right for you. Do you want a better online experience with a small chance of RRoD, or do you want slightly prettier games with the god-awful sixaxis gimmick.

[Skunky]

It's official!!!
The PS3 is sexier :D

This is a safe for work board. I'd rather you didn't post porn where its viewable without a warning.

[Project Omega]

I've run my 360 for days at a time while playing in online games and I had time off. I would literally turn it on in the morning, play some games, watch a movie, play some more games, watch another movie or perhaps play a XBLA game, go back to playing a game, and sometimes I would fall asleep and it's been left on and I've had no problems at all with the console.

[Umon Daisuke]

Its not wise to ask of others' opinion on these kind of things.

What matters is what system is right for you. Do you want a better online experience with a small chance of RRoD, or do you want slightly prettier games with the god-awful sixaxis gimmick.

Sensing a bit of irony that doesn't need to be pointed out.

[BLSR1]

;)

But yeah.

My 360 is in a weird place. Its in my room atm but my house has electrical problems so I cant leave it plugged in or on for very long. If I moved it into the living room it wouldn't get any attention however.

If L4D was coming out on the PS3 I would get a PS3. I want to play online but my computer will have to gimp the visuals. But I don't want to pay for Xbox Live and I cant run a cable to my console. But then again It will have splitscreen so I can play with my friends.

The 360 and Wii are right for me.

[Spera01]

I have my 360 on a stand/cooler that I bought with the console. I've had my 360 for a little almost over 3 years now I'd say and its still kicking with no problems whatsoever! ^_^ And its not like I don't play it, cause I do.... Alot!

Personally, I'd say look at the exclusives and decide which ones you like more. For example, if your more of a Gears person, I'd recommend 360, if your more of a Resistance person, then PS3 is for you. Both have their own fair share of exclusives but for me anyways, 360 is the way to go. But its up to you.

[kevstah2004]

Just to note Sony are reintroducing the 80GB model in September for America and 27th August 2008 for Europe without PS2 backwards compatibility, Flash card readers or SACD support.

[Umon Daisuke]

It's not a re-introduction of the current 80GB SKU, it's a mere replacement for the 40GB SKU at the same price. It's essentially a HDD swap.

EDIT: Heh, I didn't realize that 40GB units lacked SACD playback. Then again, PS2 BC aside, the majority aren't missing the other features.

[Stu]

I crave backwards compatibility so damn much.

[Mr. Spencer]

Something else you might want to consider, though it may become a moot point at some time in the future, are exclusives. Which console has the library to suit you? While there are games on both platforms, there are some exclusives which can help to influence a decision. For example, I know that quite a few people out there were convinced by Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. I'm a PS3 owner myself, and from my own experience I can tell you that it's something of a wise investment in terms of gaming. It's more expensive than the 360, but you're also getting a Blu-ray player, free online gaming and built-in wireless capability.

At present, the 360 is the more popular console - thanks in part to the affordability and Sony's blunders during the course of the PS3's launch. Microsoft seem to have a much better marketing strategy with their console, while Sony have been making outrageous promises and failing to live up to them. They've improved things this year, the "level of competence has risen", so it's just a matter of them sorting their shit out and getting things together. Despite that, I enjoy playing on my PS3. It's a solid "console".

On that note, one important thing to address is that you shouldn't refer to them as "games consoles", we're in an age of "home entertainment systems" now. Where a platform can do a while lot more than just play video games. You can browse the internet, watch films, listen to music, etc. Going back to the games aspect, which is the most important aspect to most of us, it all depends on what interests you. The 360 has Gears of War (and the upcoming sequel), Too Human, Mass Effect, Fable 2, etc. The PS3 has Killzone 2, Resistance 2, SOCOM U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation, MGS4, etc. Part of it comes down to what you would like to play.

Think as a gamer, not a fanboy.

I wouldn't recommend the Wii though, a friend and I each owned one in the past and we both eventually traded them in. The range of games they offered were either first-party reiterations of the same franchise, or third-party shovelware, or PS2 titles with Wii gameplay mechanics tacked on, etc. The concept behind swinging a remote control around may seem innovative, but it just wasn't the kind of thing to interest me. Might be worth pointing out that I've never been keen on Nintendo, the first Nintendo console I owned was the Gamecube, and only then that was because of REmake and RE0 - and to a lesser degree, MGS: The Twin Snakes. But again, I digress.

And I've just forgotten whatever the fuck it was I was talking about. I need a drink.

[Cerberus]

Xbox 360 Pros:
• The price is 323,75$ cheaper where I live.
• It's got way more great titles.
• It's got way more great exclusive titles.
• It's got great online features via Xbox Live.
• All games that have been released for both consoles so far have been better on the Xbox 360, strangely.
• Highly customizable, the entire chassi can be changed and new faceplates or controls can be bought.
• Xbox Live is free.

Xbox 360 Cons:
• All consoles made before last winter have about a 1/7 chance of getting RLOD. When it does you'll have to send it in and wait a few weeks to a month for it to come back. All Live time will be replaced and you may get conpensation for the time they repaired it.
• There is a quite rare problem where the Xbox 360 scrathes discs. If it does, just send it in and you'll get a new Xbox and can have all your scratched games replaced for free.
• In order to get DLC earlier and to play online you need Xbox Live Gold, which costs a small fee. You can buy three months, six months or twelve months XBLG time.

That guy who said the Xbox heats up or whatever was plainly lying. My record is probably with GTA4, which I played 12 and a half hour in one go. No problems at all.

[Mr. Spencer]

• Xbox Live is free.

No it isn't.

Well, you can't play online with purchasing an upgrade.

[Cerberus]

No it isn't.

Well, you can't play online with purchasing an upgrade.

Xbox Live is free, as I said. It's called Xbox Live Silver more specifically.
It allows downloading everything a Gold member can (though in rare cases a few days later) and fully interacting with people using chatting and all such.
The only thing you don't get is multiplaying. But the Xbox 360 has made quite a rep for having great online games, so it's completely worth it.
It costs about the price of a new videogame for an entire year, besides.

[Mr. Spencer]

But the whole point of online capabilities is for multiplayer.

[Cerberus]

But the whole point of online capabilities is for multiplayer.

Not really. I don't play very much online anymore, but I always download the latest trailers and demoes.

[Corrin]

I have both. The 360 is cheaper and has more exclusives than the PS3. The 360's online service is much, much better than PS3's. Personally, I really enjoy collecting Achievements (something PS3 just added....but as Sony keeps doing...they fucked it up). Sony's Trophies (Achievements) only work in certain games and don't add to an overall Gamerscore.

My personal opinion is that the 360 is this generation's best console. PS3 has Metal Gear Solid 4. Sooooo, if you're a huge MGS fan like me, then buy both! But if you aren't obsessed...get a 360!

EDIT: Another thing about the PS3, mine (40 GB) doesn't play PS2 games. It's something that I didn't know when I purchased it. I really regret trading in my PS2 now.

[Stu]

Not really. I don't play very much online anymore, but I always download the latest trailers and demoes.Just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it's not the biggest plus to come from online capabilities. The majority of people connected to X-Box Live will tell you the biggest thing to come from it is playing online.


Sony's Trophies (Achievements) only work in certain games and don't add to an overall Gamerscore. :lol: And where does that Gamerscore get you exactly?

[Corrin]

:lol: And where does that Gamerscore get you exactly?

This is an argument I've never understood. The "Achievements don't mean anything" argument is just beyond me. Achievements for your Xbox Gamerscore mean just as much as any virtual achievement you, or anyone else have ever made in any video game. Ever. If you like to play video games and be rewarded by whatever little "virtual achievements" they present you with, then you shouldn't say the Xbox Achievements are meaningless.

Achievements mean as much as anything else you do in a video game. They mean shit in the real world, just like everything else you do in any video game. They add to your entertainment experience just as defeating the Tyrant in Resident Evil or collecting all 493 Pokemon. Nothing in a video game means anything, unless it entertains you.

[Umon Daisuke]

Achievements mean as much as anything else you do in a video game.

Off topic.

I see people going dying 800+ times in NGII nowadays, and they've got more achievements and rank higher than anyone who doesn't even die once. If the achievement was "sucking", then they'd have my vote.

The BEST UMK3 and VF5 players out there have little of the achievements done of their respective games. So in essence, they're completely meaningless as they don't even accurately tell of the player's skill in the game nor do they add anything to the experience.

Call me old fashioned, but I'd rather have in-game easter egg hunts than tacky achievements/trophies. You have fun though.

Btw, does the 40GB unit's box specifically say that it's not BC with PS2 games? :p

[Carnivol]

Call me old fashioned, but I'd rather have in-game easter egg hunts than tacky achievements/trophies. You have fun though.

Problem is what you look for when you look at someone's achievements/gamerscore/level/whatever.

Go play Crackdown to see a game that has what I would call proper execution of the achievements.

If properly executed, achievements increase the replay value or at least encourage the less creative to find new ways to "have fun or challenge themselves" within the game world.

[Umon Daisuke]

If properly executed, achievements increase the replay value or at least encourage the less creative to find new ways to "have fun or challenge themselves" within the game world.

We had similar goals with some modes in games like Soul Edge and Calibur on the PS1 and DC respectively, ranging from juggles to GI's that the casuals wouldn't bother with. Not only those helped with your skills, they unlocked items/modes in the games.

If Crackdown's achievements setup serves the same purpose, then I'm inclined to agree. Even then, I think in some odd way, achievements serve as a way to show off.

[Corrin]

Off topic.

I see people going dying 800+ times in NGII nowadays, and they've got more achievements and rank higher than anyone who doesn't even die once. If the achievement was "sucking", then they'd have my vote.

The BEST UMK3 and VF5 players out there have little of the achievements done of their respective games. So in essence, they're completely meaningless as they don't even accurately tell of the player's skill in the game nor do they add anything to the experience.

Call me old fashioned, but I'd rather have in-game easter egg hunts than tacky achievements/trophies. You have fun though.

Btw, does the 40GB unit's box specifically say that it's not BC with PS2 games? :p
Let me get this straight, please correct me if I'm wrong. You're arguing that someone's subjective feelings towards what they deem "entertainment" is wrong because your opinion is the opposite?

[Umon Daisuke]

I think the fact that I took out that particular quote of yours and posted a reply to it says it all. And that's a no, I wasn't saying you're wrong, but took that quote, and elaborated with examples of why I think that achievements are nothing more than glorified check marks.

In the case of fighting and action games, unlocking them does not mean as much as anything else done in the game. So if by disagreeing what that quote of yours essentially means that I'm saying that you're wrong, then okay :rollseyes

[ZERO]

Off topic.

Btw, does the 40GB unit's box specifically say that it's not BC with PS2 games? :p

yes,it says it has limited BC and only with ps1 games,it says you cannot play ps2 games on it.

[FeurMensch]

Why not get both systems??? LOL!!

Actually since we have both systems, I can say that 360 has better games, but PS3 doesn't really crash or lock up. Plus like other members said, all multi-platform games look identical (Turok on the other hand, looks better on PS3). It's really just up to you and your preferences.

Here is something else to think about with prices:
1) PS3 has all the necessary hardware already built in, so price is naturally higher.
2) 360 is $279 w/out HDD (Add $100 for that) and even the WLAN adapter isn't included (Add another $100 to that).

So PS3 final price is $400. 360's is $279 + $100 +$100 = $479 That's how I reckon the PS3 to be a better deal.

[Stu]

This is an argument I've never understood. The "Achievements don't mean anything" argument is just beyond me. Achievements for your Xbox Gamerscore mean just as much as any virtual achievement you, or anyone else have ever made in any video game. Ever. If you like to play video games and be rewarded by whatever little "virtual achievements" they present you with, then you shouldn't say the Xbox Achievements are meaningless.I'm not saying that the ACHIEVEMENTS are meaningless, i'm saying that the score you get at the end of them are meaningless.

Sure, it's satisfying to get the Achievements, but the score you get for them is utterly redundant.

[The Dude]

Acchievements can also lead to internet elitism like most online games and whatnot lead to.
Not to mention a good 90% of XBL users with ludicrously high Acchievements points have hacked their respective accounts to increase the values.

[TheSelfishGene]

A friend of mine is going for the 10,000 kills on Gears. I don't know if he's having fun or not, but that's the kind of the achiement where'd I think more of you for not having it than actually having it.

I was reading about the 7 day survivor on Dead Rising too. It's pretty much hoarde food, then eat so you don't die, every 10 minutes or so, for about 11 hours. Every few hours you'd have to go for a run to get Frank some food. Fuck that for a joke.

I hear some of the Guitar Hero 3 ones are ludicrous too.
And it's not like if you're playing multi-platform games, that you can't do those achievements, it's just that there is no way to prove it I guess.

[Cerberus]

All multi-platform games look identical (Turok on the other hand, looks better on PS3). It's really just up to you and your preferences.

So PS3 final price is $400. 360's is $279 + $100 +$100 = $479 That's how I reckon the PS3 to be a better deal.

Please, get your facts right.
Almost no multi-platform games look the same on different consoles and almost all to all games look superior on the Xbox 360. From what I've heard Turok looks better on the Xbox 360 aswell, source that please.
Also, I'm not from any dollar using country but the Xbox 360 Premium clearly costs 349.99$, with harddrive. That's 50$ better than the PS3 wherever you live.
Where I live the Xbox 360 is around 325$ cheaper, strangely. You havn't got a lot of price difference where you live, if it costs 400$.


Sure, it's satisfying to get the Achievements, but the score you get for them is utterly redundant.

Gamerscore serves a large purpose. Using it you can see how much of a gamer a person is, how much they have done in their games and simply compete with friends or foes.

[Stu]

Gamerscore serves a large purpose. Using it you can see how much of a gamer a person is, how much they have done in their games and simply compete with friends or foes.

hahaha, sounds like someone swallowed a PR Bullshit Sandwhich!

How on earth does it even BEGIN to prove how much of a gamer a person is when anyone with half a brain knows how flawed the system is?

The gamerscore don't show how much people have done in their games, the Achievements that go with them do that, the score for a game is irrelevant. You can rack up massive Gamerscore points without even touching the main single player element of the game.

And wow. Competing with friends and foes? For what exactly? :lol:

[Umon Daisuke]

Almost no multi-platform games look the same on different consoles and almost all to all games look superior on the Xbox 360.

You're right, even if they perform similarly, the games cannot be 100% identical due to differences in architectures. What you said about superiority applied in 2007, but nowadays pretty much all multiplatform titles are near identical with negligible differences.



That's 50$ better than the PS3 wherever you live.

You don't get WiFi, stuck with a proprietary HDD, and need a way to recharge your controllers. That's from a gaming point of view. Add all factors (BD, online, Linux installation etc), and the PS3 is still a better value.

We get it though, you love the 360 :)

[Gamechamp]

About the 360's problems: Microsoft will fix anyone's 360 for free. Don't even have to pay shipping costs. They never even bothered asking me for warranty information when my 360 red ringed, too. Also: my 360's red ring was caused by one of a few defective copies of Dead Rising, and had nothing to do with the 360 overheating.

But on to actually answering the question: at this point, all it comes down to is which exclusives you care about more. Earlier I would have said 360, hands down. But now that the PS3 has so many good exclusives (<_< >_> actually, the only ones I care about are MGS4 and Ratchet and Clank, but that's enough for me), they're both good systems.

But keep in mind: the PS3 is never going to have Banjo-Kazooie on the PSN. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.

But keep in mind also: the 360 is never going to have Final Fantasy XIII. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. Waitcrapnevermind

And that's why you should throw both consoles out the window and get a Turbografx.

[Darkmoon]

Techncially not entirely true. Mine broke down with a problem they're aware of but they wanted me to pay about $140 to have it fixed. I ended up buying a new one and selling the old for spares. It didn't Red Ring so they wanted me to pay, even though it's another of there little faults.

And I thought Final Fantasy XIII had been confirmed for a 360 release, but my mind might be wandering.

[Stu]

That's why he said "waitnevermind", trying to be funny about it i think.

[Cerberus]

hahaha, sounds like someone swallowed a PR Bullshit Sandwhich!

How on earth does it even BEGIN to prove how much of a gamer a person is when anyone with half a brain knows how flawed the system is?

The gamerscore don't show how much people have done in their games, the Achievements that go with them do that, the score for a game is irrelevant. You can rack up massive Gamerscore points without even touching the main single player element of the game.

And wow. Competing with friends and foes? For what exactly? :lol:
Actually, it's you who sound like a PS-fanboy. Bit of a retard aswell.
In order to get achievements you have to, obviously, play the game - or use illegal hacking devices which get your account completely erased.
Gamerscore shows how much people have done and friends and XBO owners can compete for having the most gamerscore. Who's completed the most in a game.

My guess is you're just pissy because PS3 gets the worse trophy system which doesn't at all show any overall score. And honestly, going into someones "trophy locker" or whatever and personally checking what they've done in every game is nerdy and time consuming. Might even be on the brink to e-stalking aswell.


You're right, even if they perform similarly, the games cannot be 100% identical due to differences in architectures. What you said about superiority applied in 2007, but nowadays pretty much all multiplatform titles are near identical with negligible differences.

You don't get WiFi, stuck with a proprietary HDD, and need a way to recharge your controllers. That's from a gaming point of view. Add all factors (BD, online, Linux installation etc), and the PS3 is still a better value.

We get it though, you love the 360 :)
Did the Sony people around here fool you into thinking that? Brushing it off like it's a "2006" or "2007" point of view doesn't work, it's the PS3s eldest argument and doesn't work for nothing.
In fact GTAIV is superior on the Xbox 360, quite newly released Lost Planet is superior on the Xbox 360 (which it's also been out on for like 2,5 years), Assassin's Creed is superior on the Xbox 360. And I could keep going.

I don't know what "proprietary" means either, but from what I've read you seem to say that you don't get a harddrive with the Xbox 360? Please, stop making outright lies and go troll in 3 year old Xbox 360 threads on IGN.
Simply having a battery recharger in your home isn't very uncommon either, and there are Charge n' Play devices or something alike that doesn't cost a lot. What you mean by BD is beyond my comprehension, what you mean by online I don't understand since the Xbox also have online (in fact, Xbox Live is greatly superior to PSN) and Linux installation... well, who uses Linux, really? The Xbox have Messenger and lots of PC stuff built in anyhow.


But keep in mind also: the 360 is never going to have Final Fantasy XIII. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. Waitcrapnevermind
Ooh. How could I forget that there will be no more Final Fantasies on the XBO... -.-

[Stu]

Actually, it's you who sound like a PS-fanboy. Bit of a retard aswell.Do explain how i'd be a PlayStation fanboy considering i have 41 360 games and just 10 PS3 games? As ever, someone gets backed into a corner and plays the "OMG YOU'RE JUST A FANBOY!!1" card.


In order to get achievements you have to, obviously, play the game - or use illegal hacking devices which get your account completely erased.Actually no, the gamerscore gets wiped, the account remains.


Gamerscore shows how much people have done and friends and XBO owners can compete for having the most gamerscore. Who's completed the most in a game.That doesn't answer my question. What does have the highest gamerscore prove exactly? I could play Avatar and unlock 1000 points in a matter of minutes...is that going to make me better than someone who's racked up 10,000 kills in Gears Of War online just because i'd get more points for it?


My guess is you're just pissy because PS3 gets the worse trophy system which doesn't at all show any overall score.Even though i've quite clearly stated that the score system MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?


And honestly, going into someones "trophy locker" or whatever and personally checking what they've done in every game is nerdy and time consuming. Might even be on the brink to e-stalking aswell.
And how is that any different to clicking on someone's achievements on their gamercard? :lol:


I don't know what "proprietary" means either, but from what I've read you seem to say that you don't get a harddrive with the Xbox 360? Please, stop making outright lies and go troll in 3 year old Xbox 360 threads on IGN. Then perhaps you should make a visit to dictionary.com and see what it means before backing yourself into an even bigger corner?


The Xbox have Messenger and lots of PC stuff built in anyhow.Who wants to use messenger on a console though? And what other PC stuff does it have built in?

Seems to me you're in absolutely no position at all to be calling people fanboys.

[Darkmoon]

Keep it civil boys and girls. Any more insults and I got me a infraction button and a burning desire to punish.

[Umon Daisuke]

Did the Sony people around here fool you into thinking that? Brushing it off like it's a "2006" or "2007" point of view doesn't work, it's the PS3s eldest argument and doesn't work for nothing.
In fact GTAIV is superior on the Xbox 360, quite newly released Lost Planet is superior on the Xbox 360 (which it's also been out on for like 2,5 years), Assassin's Creed is superior on the Xbox 360. And I could keep going.

I'm not sure, but it could have something to do with the fact that I have both, and had a 360 before the PS3. But you should know better since you have only one, right?

Assassin's Creed and Lost Planet are 2007 games. LP was a low budget port here at only $40 that was out earlier in the year. GTAIV is a hair better on the 360 frame rate wise, and there are aesthetic choices that some people prefer on the PS3. It's a wash overall, and only a flat out idiot would say otherwise.

How about Burnout, DMC4, SCIV, Lego Star Wars, GRID, VF5 (a 2007 game) etc.? All pretty much identical; Burnout and DMC4 are actually a bit better on the PS3 (60fps cutscenes on PS3 DMC4 vs. 30fps on 360 etc.). The performance gap for multiplatform games is narrow now that one's decision should be based on exclusives.

Don't agree? Fine, just don't post your fanboy views as the bottom line and think you're right.




I don't know what "proprietary" means either, but from what I've read you seem to say that you don't get a harddrive with the Xbox 360? Please, stop making outright lies and go troll in 3 year old Xbox 360 threads on IGN.
Simply having a battery recharger in your home isn't very uncommon either, and there are Charge n' Play devices or something alike that doesn't cost a lot. What you mean by BD is beyond my comprehension, what you mean by online I don't understand since the Xbox also have online (in fact, Xbox Live is greatly superior to PSN) and Linux installation... well, who uses Linux, really? The Xbox have Messenger and lots of PC stuff built in anyhow.

Get a dictionary and work on your English instead of misunderstanding posts, and ranting like demented monkey without a clue. While you're at it, ask around what trolling really means on message boards. Why would you even disagree with something you don't understand?

The PS3 uses a standard 2.5" SATA, so when you run out of space, you can install one of your own (yes, that's internal). You cannot do that with the 360. The need to charge your controller doesn't change, and shouldn't be dismissed with "chargers are common". I didn't have one since aside from remotes, everything I own uses lithium batteries so I got the plug and charge for $30. Also, there is a 360 Arcade SKU that DOESN'T come with a HDD, so it's not a standard in every unit.

BD = Blu ray Disc. Now it's your turn to say that upscaling is just as good as HD sources, and that Sony deceived people into thinking it's a good thing. We need a neutral view, so that's where you come in. While you're at it, give Carmack a ring; I hear that he recently applauded Sony for future proofing the system better.

By online, it's online play that you're dismissing as non-essential for XBL. Every other person begs to differ, but according to you, XBL is fine without online play. Lastly, you can install a different OS and run the PS3 in a different mode like a PC, which is again something you can't do on the 360.

Just to recap what you've been saying from your very first post on this thread: The 360 is the best console out there without a doubt, and the PS3 sucks in every way. Even if someone points out holes in that view, they're wrong and I'm right. GameFAQs' boards are in dire need of people like you kid, go on.

[TheSelfishGene]

I just *don't* get fanboys. It's like they have to be good all year so their parents let them combine their birthday and christmas presents and they can get 1 console, and they think they really have to make the right choice.

Buy one, buy none, buy both. Be happy with your purchase(s), and be happy that others are happy with theirs. No one has wasted their money if they are happy with their purchase.


I don't know what "proprietary" means either, but from what I've read you seem to say that you don't get a harddrive with the Xbox 360?
This made me LOL. TYVM. Keep up the good work? Acutally, please don't.

[Stu]

Keep it civil boys and girls. Any more insults and I got me a infraction button and a burning desire to punish.

It was inevitable that the thread would eventually take a turn down this road unfortunately.

It's cool though, it's there for all to see who decided to turn the air sour, nevermind!

[Darkmoon]

Well, yeah, it pretty much was. I was quite impressed by how things were going though, and am saddened by this turn of events. But since we're all gonna get nasty I gotta tell you, you guys are all wrong. Best system is clearly the SNES.

Fools.

[Stu]

The SNES...with it's NO hard drive (nevermind a PROPRIETORY one!)? Are you quite serious? And where's the all unimportant online play? You're crazy!!1!

Besides, i was always a Mega Drive kid myself.

[Cerberus]

Do explain how i'd be a PlayStation fanboy considering i have 41 360 games and just 10 PS3 games? As ever, someone gets backed into a corner and plays the "OMG YOU'RE JUST A FANBOY!!1" card.
No, people use it when they want to avoid discussion with a possible undiscussable idiot. I've met plenty of PS3 fanboys in my days, even stumbled across an entire site of them - who even since the release have been going on and on about how Playstation 3 rocks and it's got great games, idiots.


Actually no, the gamerscore gets wiped, the account remains.
That's quite what I meant, like a bank account.


That doesn't answer my question. What does have the highest gamerscore prove exactly? I could play Avatar and unlock 1000 points in a matter of minutes...is that going to make me better than someone who's racked up 10,000 kills in Gears Of War online just because i'd get more points for it?
That would just be unsportly - and there simply aren't crap games enough to make 141000G or something alike.


Even though i've quite clearly stated that the score system MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING?
Envy obviously, how could you miss that point?


And how is that any different to clicking on someone's achievements on their gamercard? :lol:
On the Xbox 360 you just have to select a player in the lobby of almost any game, hit A once or twice to see their total amount of Gamerscore. That's very different from going into their profile, achievements and going into each individual game they've ever played for score.
So, you seem to think you make a lot of good points but you simply don't and it amazes me.


Then perhaps you should make a visit to dictionary.com and see what it means before backing yourself into an even bigger corner?
I did.


Who wants to use messenger on a console though? And what other PC stuff does it have built in?
Oh yeah. And who'd want a freaking GRILL in their gaming machine?


I'm not sure, but it could have something to do with the fact that I have both, and had a 360 before the PS3. But you should know better since you have only one, right?
I should know better since I've seen extensive texting from several sources all around the internet, and tested as much as possible on my half.


It's a wash overall, and only a flat out idiot would say otherwise.
In fact it's not, Kotaku listed like a dozen differences and only a flat out idiot would say otherwise. Oh, you were saying what now?


How about Burnout, DMC4, SCIV, Lego Star Wars, GRID, VF5 (a 2007 game) etc.? All pretty much identical; Burnout and DMC4 are actually a bit better on the PS3 (60fps cutscenes on PS3 DMC4 vs. 30fps on 360 etc.). The performance gap for multiplatform games is narrow now that one's decision should be based on exclusives.
Never heard anything about those games being the least different, probably because they are the "wash overalls" you are talking about. PS3 games having 60 FPS doesn't really matter, anyhow, since the human eye can't catch 60 FPs. Completely beyond me why some people are developing current gen games set to release 2009 to run at 120 FPS constant.


Get a dictionary and work on your English instead of misunderstanding posts, and ranting like demented monkey without a clue. While you're at it, ask around what trolling really means on message boards. Why would you even disagree with something you don't understand?
Yees. Very impressive. You just said the same thing twice, didn't you? But now you've updated and insulted me and wrote it a tad longer. I am impressed.
In case you still got eyeballs you probably can see that I disagreed in case what I wrote was what you were saying. Since you didn't, you shouldn't even respond. You don't seem to comprehend a lot of what people say without hearing voices and facial expressions.


The PS3 uses a standard 2.5" SATA, so when you run out of space, you can install one of your own (yes, that's internal).
Install one of your own what? Harddrives? Wow. I really fail to see why one would want to install your own harddrive, when you've already got one.


The need to charge your controller doesn't change, and shouldn't be dismissed with "chargers are common". I didn't have one since aside from remotes, everything I own uses lithium batteries so I got the plug and charge for $30.
Well, how lucky I didn't dismiss it as "chargers are common" then. You even got the second solution into your post, congratulations.


Also, there is a 360 Arcade SKU that DOESN'T come with a HDD, so it's not a standard in every unit.
And guess what? It's even cheaper! O_O


While you're at it, give Carmack a ring; I hear that he recently applauded Sony for future proofing the system better.
I havn't heard anything about that. Since he's one of my idols, he's been developing games for Microsofts consoles for what, 20 years, and since he's been developing games for the Xbox since like 5 years ago I'd forgive him even if he said so.
You are quite immature.


Lastly, you can install a different OS and run the PS3 in a different mode like a PC, which is again something you can't do on the 360.
So, you can install Linux or Windows on your PS3? That just seems wierd, don't you have a PC already? Or are you writing all this from your PS3? I'm sure you are.


Just to recap what you've been saying from your very first post on this thread: The 360 is the best console out there without a doubt, and the PS3 sucks in every way. Even if someone points out holes in that view, they're wrong and I'm right. GameFAQs' boards are in dire need of people like you kid, go on.
Yes, very mature. Lets play along then: Xbox 360 is my God, there is no other video gaming console. It is perfect in every way, not a single one have broken and they will still remain after the apocalypse seeing as they are indestructible. Playstation 3 is an awful console, there's nothing right about it. Everyone who ever loves it will be sent to Hell to burn in the flames, til the day Xboxes break. That means never. Woho.

[Stu]

No, people use it when they want to avoid discussion with a possible undiscussable idiot. I've met plenty of PS3 fanboys in my days, even stumbled across an entire site of them - who even since the release have been going on and on about how Playstation 3 rocks and it's got great games, idiots.What's an "undiscussable idiot"? Are you still smarting from not knowing what "proprietory" meant, and are trying to use long words to try and save face?



That's quite what I meant, like a bank account.How is it "quite" like a bank account then? :lol:


That would just be unsportly - and there simply aren't crap games enough to make 141000G or something alike.Yes, there is.


Envy obviously, how could you miss that point?I'm starting to think you're a bit lost now.


On the Xbox 360 you just have to select a player in the lobby of almost any game, hit A once or twice to see their total amount of Gamerscore. That's very different from going into their profile, achievements and going into each individual game they've ever played for score.haha! You don't think it'll be the same on the PS3 as well eventually then?


So, you seem to think you make a lot of good points but you simply don't and it amazes me.I'm not making points, most of these aren't even opinions, they're just facts that your own narrow mindedness fails to decipher (might want a dictionary for that one?).


Oh yeah. And who'd want a freaking GRILL in their gaming machine?That's quite funny coming from someone who just recently said "Brushing it off like it's a "2006" or "2007" point of view doesn't work". I'm quite sure there's no actual grill in my PS3, and that this is just an over-used joke from a few years back that you're using?[/QUOTE]

Now, move on, or at least try and be civil.

Also, use how to use the quote perfection properly.

[Umon Daisuke]

Never heard anything about those games being the least different, probably because they are the "wash overalls" you are talking about. PS3 games having 60 FPS doesn't really matter, anyhow, since the human eye can't catch 60 FPs. Completely beyond me why some people are developing current gen games set to release 2009 to run at 120 FPS constant.

Well then, if you haven't then you just proved my point about performance gaps in multiplatform games being narrow that differences are negligible and few mention them. You're arguing about nicks and say:


I should know better since I've seen extensive texting from several sources all around the internet, and tested as much as possible on my half.

..yet you can't tell 30Hz from 60Hz? 120Hz in games? Impossible with current hardware. The best PC rig out there right now can't do it, and the closest thing was DMC4 PC cutscenes running at that frame rate. Most of us here must have super vision if we can tell the performance gap between 30 and 60Hz.

I can in fact list A LOT of differences between GTAIV versions, and even DMC4. Much more technical than Kotaku's half assed attempt. Fact remains that no matter what version you have, the experience from a technical standpoint is virtually the same.


Yees. Very impressive. You just said the same thing twice, didn't you? But now you've updated and insulted me and wrote it a tad longer. I am impressed.
In case you still got eyeballs you probably can see that I disagreed in case what I wrote was what you were saying. Since you didn't, you shouldn't even respond. You don't seem to comprehend a lot of what people say without hearing voices and facial expressions.

Disagreed on the basis that you didn't understand what proprietary meant, but rambled on anyway? BD was "beyond your comprehension". The best you could do is say that you've looked things up online, and mention 2007 releases that don't really negate what I said. Apparently reading about games instead of playing them gives one more credibility.

I said the same thing twice, and edited..? Ooh, seems that I hit a nerve there lol. Trolling has a completely different meaning in the dictionary than it does on message boards, so you shouldn't look that up in the same manner as looking up a definition. You're not in any position to accuse anyone here of failure to comprehend sentences or written words, especially that you've admitted to the latter once already.

But why would you say you looked up what proprietary meant while claiming you didn't understand what it means? That's not wit. If you don't understand anything, look it up.


Install one of your own what? Harddrives? Wow. I really fail to see why one would want to install your own harddrive, when you've already got one.

You fail to see why people want more storage? I said when you run out of space. Both consoles are more than mere game machines with video stores and the ability to turn them into media hubs. With the 360 fall update's option to install games on the HDD, such an option would be welcomed with open arms by anyone.

You think it's a useless feature though, and you're supposed to be the neutral one.


So, you can install Linux or Windows on your PS3? That just seems wierd, don't you have a PC already? Or are you writing all this from your PS3? I'm sure you are.

You can use your 360 as a media hub with modifications, but you can also do that with a PC. Value is the word here. If you can get more out of a hardware, why wouldn't you? And no, I'm not posting from a PS3.


I havn't heard anything about that. Since he's one of my idols, he's been developing games for Microsofts consoles for what, 20 years, and since he's been developing games for the Xbox since like 5 years ago I'd forgive him even if he said so.
You are quite immature.

MS didn't have consoles for about 20 years, and Carmack was a high school senior in 1988. How kind of you to forgive him:

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/687764/Carmack_Rage_Will_Look_Worse_on_360s.html

I'm not sure how pointing this out make me immature, but at this point, you do know better. Pointing out the Arcade SKU was in response to your claim that I suggested that 360's don't come with HDD's as they are, even though you misunderstood it as me saying that ALL SKU's don't. Not sure how that being cheaper is something worth mentioning, because that doesn't change the value comparison of the two.


Yes, very mature. Lets play along then: Xbox 360 is my God, there is no other video gaming console. It is perfect in every way, not a single one have broken and they will still remain after the apocalypse seeing as they are indestructible. Playstation 3 is an awful console, there's nothing right about it. Everyone who ever loves it will be sent to Hell to burn in the flames, til the day Xboxes break. That means never. Woho.

Given your incoherent posts, the fact that you're making less sense, and resorted to insults slowly, you're getting a bit intimidated by several people calling on your bs. Either that, or you've hit a medicine cabinet recently. A condescending (dictionary? :p) tone doesn't work well when you pretty much proved to everyone that you're clueless.

Despite this poor attempt at wit, this paragraph of yours basically sums up how you're actually sounding to everyone here. I'm sure you're going to crack out another gem of a post. You actually had the nerve to be upset that someone replied to your attack on them, especially that the basis of your attack was a misunderstanding due to a language barrier.

If you like having the last word, knock yourself out... uh, not literally though :D

[Borman]

Alright guys, enough. This thread started out peaceful enough. We understand that you all have your own allegiances or whatever, but enough is enough. If you want to discuss the merits of either system, feel free, but if you are just going to argue it out to inflate your Interwebz-GamerTrophyScore, then knock it off. You aren't helping anyone that wants to decide between a 360 or PS3.

[Umon Daisuke]

Medication and taking juvenile online attacks seriously is a bad combination. Fair enough, but looking at the thread, it's obvious where the topic took a sharp turn and posts should be moderated accordingly. Naturally that would include more than one to keep the topic flow.

[Borman]

Na its not just you, I know where it turned sour, but Im the laid back moderator here, fair warning to all involved though ;)

[Darkmoon]

And your last warning from me. I do not expect to have to mention this twice. And next time, I really don't care if you're replying to someone else's insults or whatever, I will start using infractions.

I'm not a laid back mod.

If you can't post sensibly and calmly in this thread...then don't post in this thread. Simple as that.

[Stu]

Yeah i think it would be safe to leave the thread alone now. Myself and Umon have more than made our points here, and i think we can all see that all Cerberus is going to offer will be made up words, years old jokes and huge innaccuracies.

I'm just sad i'll never find out what "undiscussable" means haha

[TheSelfishGene]

I'm just sad i'll never find out what "undiscussable" means haha

I know, but I can't tell you ;). It's undiscussable.

In all seriousness, I'd like to thank people for their genuine informative input into this thread. I purchased a PS3 yesterday. I was 95% certain that I was going to purchase one anyways, but there was information presented here in this thread that I would have forgotten about, so thank you.

[Stu]

Be honest...the grill swung it for you, right?

[Cerberus]

Yeah i think it would be safe to leave the thread alone now. Myself and Umon have more than made our points here, and i think we can all see that all Cerberus is going to offer will be made up words, years old jokes and huge innaccuracies.

I'm just sad i'll never find out what "undiscussable" means haha
Yeah, hey fuck you. If you havn't gotten at least a pair of infractions now I'll make you one. For the record undisussable does have a meaning and here's your grill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Hh3tBdHwM

[Stu]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/undiscussable

It's not even a word ;)

Bye bye now, enjoy the thread by yourself!

[Cerberus]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/undiscussable

It's not even a word ;)

Bye bye now, enjoy the thread by yourself!

http://www.reference.com/search?q=un&#37;20discussable&r=d&db=web
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

[Mr. Spencer]

http://homepage.mac.com/hellbind/.Public/Cox.jpg

I turn my back on this topic for five minutes and all of this happens.

Cerberus, Big Stu. You two are an embarrassment from the 1970's. Our country's...dirty little secret. You can't be allowed to live.

[Dot50Cal]

Well, I'm not a laid back moderator, nor one who would give you warning. You should know better. Justice has been dealt. Carry on, citizens. But tread lightly, for I am watching this topic now.

http://static.pici.se/pictures/hbkwjLayZ.jpg

DESTROYYYYY!11

[Stu]

No worries Dot, now the clown's banned i'm sure it'll be a civilised talk now, if it needs to continue anymore anyway!
Cerberus, Big Stu. You two are an embarrassment from the 1970's. Our country's...dirty little secret. You can't be allowed to live.

Yeah, thanks for the great input there!

[Reaper]

i have a ps3 and i personally love it i play games for hours on end and check the heat in the back cause iits sorta in a confined area and its totally cool not heated nor over heated so i can play een longer although while i dont use the motion sensor on my ps3 controller i still think its pretty cool but also kind of a try to be part wii type of thing although i cant get online with mine cause i dont have an ethernet yet i know i can get on wireless but i dont know the WEP key and ISP adresses :( but its all good i took a poll online one day on who had better graphics wii xbox360 or ps3 ps3 in 1 wii in 2 x360 3

[Vogue_Dirge]

I myself am leaning towards a 360. I've had experience playing my friends a lot and enjoy it. Truth be told, I don't really understand all that tech mumbo jumbo.

XD

[Krispy]

Buy a 360. You might not be able to mod a new hard drive onto it or install Linux, but I really doubt you wanted to do that in the first place. If all you want your gaming system for is to play games, there really isn't two ways about it, either you want the games for the 360 or the PS3 and if you wanted my opinion (which this is an open invitation for), the 360 has more games worth playing. Not to say games on the PS3 are not worth playing, simply that the 360 has more, and a pretty good variety at that. However, where this comparison fails pecifically is on platformers, so if you want some nice platformers to play, as opposed to rpg's or action games, you should probably look at a PS3.

Achievements, Xbox Live, and other controversial issues aside, I think time and time again this generation has shown that the 360 is generally the preferred console for developers and purchasing one will guarantee a substantial amount of new third party material in the future. The PS3 certainly has an impressive breadth in this area but it always feels like it is playing catch up and their arcade library is meager in comparison.

Those are my feelings as a gamer, but if you are a hardware enthusiast it would be pretty hard to deny that the PS3 is a much more open platform. Good luck with whatever you choose.

[TheSelfishGene]

Hi.
I thought I'd ask this question here. I want to connect my PS3 to my lap top, so I can try playing online.

Do I need a straight-through or a crossover cable? Sorry, I'm a complete noob when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Thanks

[Project Omega]

If you are planning to do an ICS connection with your laptop, then you'd need a cross-over cable, when you're connecting to a router/switch, you'd use a regular patch cable.


For Vista, however, I think you will have to go to the sharing tab instead of the advanced tab when you are browsing the properties of a connection...

1. Get a CAT5 or CAT6 crossover cable. The cable that came with the PS3 is a normal Ethernet cable, therefore it cannot be used for this operation.

2. Make sure you have two sources for network communication. For example, you can have 2 ethernet ports on your computer, or you can have a wireless card and a Ethernet port etc. It helps to draw out a connection blueprint such as this:

DSL Modem > CAT5 cable > Network Card 1 > Computer > Network Card 2 > CAT5 Crossover cable > PS3

3. Connect your computer to the modem and verify that you have an Internet connection. Then, click on Start, go to settings, control panel. Double click on Network Connections, and identify the connection to your modem (Network card 1).

4. Right click on the modem connection, and choose properties. Next, click on the advanced tab (Sharing tab for Vista users), and check the “allow other users to connect…” checkbox. After the checkbox is checked, click on the “Home networking connection” drop down box and select the name of the second network connection. Click OK and exit the properties window.

5. Finally, connect the CAT5 crossover cable from the second network adapter of the computer to the PS3, and voila, your Internet connection is now routed to your PS3. Please be aware that your computer must be on in order for your PS3 to stay online. In the long run, a router may be a much better device to use than your computer, since it consumes only a fraction of the electricity than your computer does.

Found this guide using google, looks useful from what I read online :)

[LeonsBuddyDave]

WOW. I haven't checked in to this thread in a while. I'm amazed at how many replies it's gotten, I had no idea that people felt this strongly about their consoles.

That's the reason for the *flinch* I guess. :P

After reading through some of the posts here, I'm starting to think about the PS3, mostly for the games it has. I don't really like Halo all that much, and Dead Rising's coming to Wii, so the two largest 360 titles I've seen don't interest me. And from what I've read, PS3 has way less problems to contend with, especially regarding the fact that there's a thread titled "Xbox 360 is an unreliable piece of shit". PS3 will take a larger chunk out of my wallet, but I'm considering it to be the better purchase at the moment.

[Mr. Spencer]

Well, I'm not a laid back moderator, nor one who would give you warning. You should know better. Justice has been dealt. Carry on, citizens. But tread lightly, for I am watching this topic now.

http://static.pici.se/pictures/hbkwjLayZ.jpg

DESTROYYYYY!11

LET THIS BE OUR FINAL BAAAATTLE!!!


Yeah, thanks for the great input there!

Thank you. It's a legitimate contribution to any thread.

[Stu]

Well not worth the bump.