The Central "Jill Valentine" Discussion Topic

[Jo-Nemisis327]

huh, I would have thought capcom might have slipped something in-between the lines...

[P Anderson DIE]

Not a damn thing, I watched the extras not even a mention, Only character they mention is Chris once and its just bout being Claire's brother. Why do they shun the other characters so bad. Everytime we see them it's like they forgotten thier past. I was waiting for Leon to say to Claire "Hey whatever hapened to that little Sherry girl that we lost". Guilty Consience!

[Jo-Nemisis327]

damn. Looks like we've got RE5 to fall on now...

[P Anderson DIE]

Yeah I hope that it ties up alot of these questions. Dont need to know about everyone we got Jill, Wesker, Chris, Spencer and maybe Sherry if they added one or two more I'd be happy with that. I also hope the "Detailed in the Kennedy report" Is the only mention we get on Leon. I'd be happy to never see him again less they change back his image, His character in Degen was 10 times worse than in Re4.

[Jo-Nemisis327]

Yeah, they really screwed up Leon in degen, especially because he was so-well developed in RE4:(

Man, that birdlady somehow reminds me of HUNK...

BTW, what is the kennedy report? I've heard of it, but I don't exactly know what it is

[P Anderson DIE]

Chris mentions it in the Tgs trailer says "The villagers are acting like the Garnado detailed in the Kennedy report" Havent seen this report but after Leon got back from the island on Re4 he probably had to fill out reports of what happened there, Chris must have gotten a copy because well its just something I guess the B.S.A.A. soldiers should be aware of. Dont belive it's been released to us but maybe in Re5.

[Jo-Nemisis327]

Interesting... This is really complicated, Jill must have some sort of role then, and I've got a sneaking suspicion that she isn't gonna be the blue-beret S.T.A.R.S member from the mansion. It could get ugly this time 'round.

[missvalentine]

Not a damn thing, I watched the extras not even a mention, Only character they mention is Chris once and its just bout being Claire's brother. Why do they shun the other characters so bad. Everytime we see them it's like they forgotten thier past. I was waiting for Leon to say to Claire "Hey whatever hapened to that little Sherry girl that we lost". Guilty Consience!

so there was no mention of Jill at all, in the entire film or any of the special features? :'(

i thought it was gonna have every character in it since that's what they said it would be.

[Mr. Spencer]

Lol disgusted, Guess this form just proves Jill is most popular character in the franchise.

If anything it proves that you're all fans of a single character, rather than fans of the series. If Jill Valentine was a character in Devil May Cry, I imagine that none of you would even be at this site. I have no qualms with people having favourite characters, in fact I've even got a couple myself. But it's when that fandom starts to take precedence over the series, that's when I begin to doubt. Sure, there's no harm in having a preference for one character over another, it would be silly to suggest otherwise, but I like to think that all of us - despite this - share a passion and appreciation for the series.

All I'm seeing here is obsession with a single character. If you want to do that, then go and join a Jill Valentine fanlisting. This is a Resident Evil site.


Advice : Ignore people who think different, I usually don't quote empty posts.

What a great idea. Ignore people with different opinions. That's exactly the kind of single-minded mentality that I'm talking about.

[JillLovesChris]

I think that honestly, since Chris and Jill are so tied together in all the other games and media that derive from the RE franchise that it is a no brainer she will be in part 5 and to a large extent a major part in the outcome of it. We probably will not know how much of a degree until we finally get to the end of it and find all the files and other media littered throughout it like the previous games did, but she is too big to just be killed off and for Chris not to take a bigger issue with it.

[Vector]

You know, I wonder if RE5 had starred someone else, and we saw a headstone with the name CHRIS REDFIELD sprawled across it, if there would've been a 'Central "Chris Redfield" Discussion Topic,' LET ALONE would it be 26 pages long! This topic really makes me wonder, and I think it's a valid question.

Anyone get where I'm comin' from?

[JillLovesChris]

You know, I wonder if RE5 had starred someone else, and we saw a headstone with the name CHRIS REDFIELD sprawled across it, if there would've been a 'Central "Chris Redfield" Discussion Topic,' LET ALONE would it be 26 pages long! This topic really makes me wonder, and I think it's a valid question.

Anyone get where I'm comin' from?

It is interesting how much of a response this supposed death of Jill has created such a fan based reaction and in the coarse of doing so has given 5 a much needed surge of interest from those who have otherwised looked over the game as another RE 4 knock off and not wanting to play it.

[Mr. Spencer]

I like how I got ignored. Just proves my point.

[Vector]

I like how I got ignored. Just proves my point.

I didn't ignore you, your post inspired my post. Plus, Chris is my favorite character.

[Mr. Spencer]

Ah, my bad. It's difficult to tell between all the Jill-related posts. I have to admit, I like Chris a lot more than Leon. I always viewed him as the original protagonist of RE. Though I liked Leon in RE2, the direction his character took following Raccoon City really put me off. As it did for everyone else. Dare I say it, he was actually better in RE4 than he was in Degeneration.

[Vector]

Ah, my bad. It's difficult to tell between all the Jill-related posts. I have to admit, I like Chris a lot more than Leon. I always viewed him as the original protagonist of RE. Though I liked Leon in RE2, the direction his character took following Raccoon City really put me off. As it did for everyone else. Dare I say it, he was actually better in RE4 than he was in Degeneration.

Chris was one of my first 'gaming heroes' if I can call him that. I played RE1 with my uncle when I was 7 or 8 years old, and my uncle would always pick Jill just to see Barry blow off the zombie's head in the dining room right at the beginning of the game...but I wasn't impressed. Chris was the man, so I always played as him. He wore green which was my favorite color, and he was a cool dude.

[BlackHeart]

You know, I wonder if RE5 had starred someone else, and we saw a headstone with the name CHRIS REDFIELD sprawled across it, if there would've been a 'Central "Chris Redfield" Discussion Topic,' LET ALONE would it be 26 pages long! This topic really makes me wonder, and I think it's a valid question.

Anyone get where I'm comin' from?

There most likely would of been mate, Chris is my favourite character aswell.

I'm not going to knock people talking about Jill Valentine in a topic called The central "Jill Valentine" Topic, that's mainly because this topic is for just that "speculation and idea's".

I do get where you are coming from though, but surely you must see this is where all the talk about her goes as it is a dedicated topic, would you go on the news report topic and post things about Barry (old news), i surely hope not because it is off topic as it is a "news topic" and dedicated to news as this topic is to Jill.

So i guess i do agree with both sides, but considering this being a dedicated topic i can't argue and i Definitely cannot knock people for "Jill" related posts in the Jill topic.

[Biokk]

I tend to figure that if ANY of the main protagonists names had of appeared on that headstone, such a topic like this one would have been created. At the end if the day, the trailer suggests that a main character from the series (whether she's your favourite, least favourite etc) is dead!! For fans of the series, this is huge and I think warrants discussion.

[News Bot]

i thought it was gonna have every character in it since that's what they said it would be.

...No it wasn't.

Stop deluding yourself over this ridiculous issue, people. Jesus sweet fucking christ. I have never seen such rampant fan drivel over a single character. Here's a fact, you aren't fans of the series if Jill's death bothers you so much. If you want to quit playing, good, Capcom aren't losing anything.

[Darkmoon]

Except money.

Also, politeness. It costs you nothing and hurts less than a kick in the groin by a atomic powered robot named Brian.

[News Bot]

Except money.

I really doubt a handful of people is going to impact Capcom that much.


Also, politeness. It costs you nothing and hurts less than a kick in the groin by a atomic powered robot named Brian.

Perhaps you're right, but I'm not going out of my way to even try to understand the convulted, downright strange logic demonstrated in this topic.

[Darkmoon]

Fair enough. I don't understand some of it either. On the other hand I don't understand people who only wear black, but I respect the choice they've made. I can still be polite though.

[P Anderson DIE]

This topic getting pretty hostile first of Mr Spencer it is possible to be a fan of a franchise and have a favorite character. If Jill wasnt in Re from the start I would still be into the franchise, I may leave the franchise soon but thats because of the over all changes not just Jill. To be honest the biggest reason for my loss of interest is the switch over from horror to action and the gameplay. I loved the puzzle exploring tank controls and id take Remake over Re4 and 5 anyday. I was actually laughing with you not at you so chill.

[[STARS]TyranT]

No I must admit it's not over nice to see people come down on someone because of their like to a character. Not that the series would be over for me should a single character die but I wouldn't over like it too much if something bad happened to Chris, though by looking at the viral videos which are allegedly canon then hey.

Certain characters often make a franchise, what would the Alien or Aliens be without Ripley, or Metroid with Samus.etc I could go on. Certain characters establish franchises and without those characters the titles cease to become what they previously were. I can get behind what people think about Jill, but no-one should be described as 'not a fan' because they like only one character. It's not like people have been overly juvinile here.

[missvalentine]

^ i agree with that.

and i don't just like Jill, i like Rebecca, Claire and Barry to, but Barry and Rebecca are non existent, Claire is in a side roll and Jill is possibly dead now.

what if Family Guiy killed of Peter, Stewie and Quagmire, would anyone still watch it?

im a Resident Evil fan, and a Jill fan, but to me RE died back in 2004, so my Jill fandom comes first.

[Jo-Nemisis327]

You know, I wonder if RE5 had starred someone else, and we saw a headstone with the name CHRIS REDFIELD sprawled across it, if there would've been a 'Central "Chris Redfield" Discussion Topic,' LET ALONE would it be 26 pages long! This topic really makes me wonder, and I think it's a valid question.

Anyone get where I'm comin' from?

I agree with that, and it absolutely makes sense.:)

I think that we've deviated away from actually discussing other aspects of Jill, not weather she'll be around for the next RE or not.

He's got a point

[adamthegrave]

so why cant ya just wait in 2 months and play the game and see what happens and talk about afterwards ?:uhh:

[Richard Aiken]

Heres something, atleast Jill is in the game. Cloned, infected, dying or healthy shes still in.

We should really be discussing the "death" of other characters like Barry, Rebecca and Carlos.

[Vector]

Rebecca and Barry need to be explained. Barry was a huge part of RE1, Rebecca was a big part of RE1 and even had her own game(no matter how many people dismiss it). Characters like Carlos and Billy don't really need to be explained, I don't think...because they were simply partner characters.

[Jo-Nemisis327]

I see what you mean, and I don't. What needs to be explained about them?

[Richard Aiken]

Not explained, christ I just want to now if they are still alive.

I would like to know if the continued the fight against Umbrella/Tricell/other biological threats, died, etc.



I just would like a epilogue, like RE3.

[Vector]

Well, not so much 'explained' in an educational sense...I just think it would be nice to know what the hell Barry's been up to. Remember the epilogue pictures at the end of RE3?

http://www.evilunleashed.com/v2/residentevil/re3/images/other/epilogue-barry.gif

How long is he waiting to 'repay his teammates'?

And also, Rebecca. She was important in RE1 and RE0...she wasn't a side/support character like Billy and Carlos...she was directly involved in two pretty big events in RE's timeline. It would just be nice to know what the hell she's been doing for 10 years. She's all grow'd up now.

[P Anderson DIE]

If you wanna talk about Barry go ahead but this is a Jill Valentine discussion topic. Lol whats the problem with talking bout Jill in a Jill topic.

[missvalentine]

Heres something, atleast Jill is in the game. Cloned, infected, dying or healthy shes still in.

We should really be discussing the "death" of other characters like Barry, Rebecca and Carlos.

but, i don't want her in the game if she's cloned/infected/dying/evil, that would just suck.

id rather her not be in the game than any of those things.

i only want her to make an appearance if she is healthy and just like she was last time we saw her.

and yes i want to know what happened to Barry, Rebecca and Carlos to, but this is the Jill topic, there is the underhyped characters topic for Barry/Reebcca and Carlos discusion.

http://www.the-horror.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3271

[News Bot]

but, i don't want her in the game if she's cloned/infected/dying/evil, that would just suck.

*facepalm*

[JillLovesChris]

It will be interesting to see how this woman, if she is indeed Jill, go up head to head with Chris, and indeed Wesker.

[P Anderson DIE]

At 4.10 in the "Play God" trailer the tube that opens doesnt seem to be anywhere in sight and if you look in the background on the wall theres hundreds of them, Im guessing that the tube comes down from the wall. Who or whatever is in those tube's I think theres an army of them. Army of Jill's? Oh Dear.

[Jill Lover]

I wouldn't be suprised if that happens. Because Capcom is getting a lot of ideas from the movies... ¬¬

[Mr. Spencer]

I hope it fucks up a lot of everyone's expectations.

[BlackHeart]

Lol, an army of Jill, i doubt it i seriously do.. considering most resident evil fans of the games hate the films it would be kind of like copying from the new one.

Two Jill's as clones is fine 1 bad girl and one good girl (the original one), doubt they would go for an army of them though it would kind of defeat the point.

[Mr. Rod]

I hope it fucks up a lot of everyone's expectations.
Jill hate too much? :P j/k

[CODE_umb87]

I think it should be an army of Barry's.

[Nomad9026]

Hail to the Barry, baby!

[missvalentine]

*facepalm*

what?


At 4.10 in the "Play God" trailer the tube that opens doesnt seem to be anywhere in sight and if you look in the background on the wall theres hundreds of them, Im guessing that the tube comes down from the wall. Who or whatever is in those tube's I think theres an army of them. Army of Jill's? Oh Dear.

:'( :nervous:

why? why an army of Jill's? i hope your wrong on that P Anderson DIE.

an army of Jill's would be horrible, well, i would like my own personell army of Jill's, but that's different, an army of Jill clones in RE5 would suck.


I wouldn't be suprised if that happens. Because Capcom is getting a lot of ideas from the movies... ¬¬

just proves that capcom can't be trusted with there own series anymore.

if Anderson had made his movies Horror and not action, i wonder how much it would have effected the games, and if they would have stayed Horror has well.

[Archelon]

if Anderson had made his movies Horror and not action, i wonder how much it would have effected the games, and if they would have stayed Horror has well.

Except Mikami didn't make RE4 the way he did because of the movies. He had said on several occasions, perhaps most notably back when REmake was released, that he was planning for a complete system overhaul with 4.

[Bertha]

So wait....am I getting this wrong or something...Did Anderson invent clone armies of a character? Because I could have sworn...that idea has been around for a while...just a thought.

[BlackHeart]

So wait....am I getting this wrong or something...Did Anderson invent clone armies of a character? Because I could have sworn...that idea has been around for a while...just a thought.

He pretty much invented the idea of mass cloning of a main character (for the live action movies atleast), and that is why i dislike the movies because of not only alice but the cloning of her annoying character.

[missvalentine]

Except Mikami didn't make RE4 the way he did because of the movies. He had said on several occasions, perhaps most notably back when REmake was released, that he was planning for a complete system overhaul with 4.

RE4 still borrowed stuff from the movies like the laser room scene, and it seems RE5 is borrowing stuff from the movies now as well, :'(

[Archelon]

RE4 still borrowed stuff from the movies like the laser room scene

It was more like an homage than anything. Sheesh.

[Mr. Spencer]

Jill hate too much? :P j/k

Jill fan hate. =P

[Irontrooper]

One thing I think alot of people are forgetting is the trophy list. "Masters of Removing" anyone? Who else could it be? Can't be Sheva or Chris considering it says you must work together. Now, if she dies after that I really don't know but I think it would be awkward to kill her right after you save her. Another thing in this issue is I think its really people seeing what they want to see. People who want her dead try to prove shes dead, people who dont try to prove she liveswhen really it's unclear either way.

[Vector]

So wait....am I getting this wrong or something...Did Anderson invent clone armies of a character? Because I could have sworn...that idea has been around for a while...just a thought.

Do you mean...Stormtroopers? Or Genome soldiers?

[News Bot]

One thing I think alot of people are forgetting is the trophy list. "Masters of Removing" anyone? Who else could it be? Can't be Sheva or Chris considering it says you must work together. Now, if she dies after that I really don't know but I think it would be awkward to kill her right after you save her. Another thing in this issue is I think its really people seeing what they want to see. People who want her dead try to prove shes dead, people who dont try to prove she liveswhen really it's unclear either way.

The trophy in no way proves she's the Birdwoman. She can just as easily be the girl in the tube.

Which is what I'm more inclined to believe. Birdwoman is either Sherry or a new character altogether as far as I'm concerned at this point.

[P Anderson DIE]

Mr Spencer you are a mean, mean person what happened to you man someone has hurt you deep down if you wanna talk about it Im here for you. Lol you can cry on my shoulder. I was just saying an army of Jill's god knows whats in those tubes but there is hundreds of them. Could be an army of Ronald Macdonalds for all we know.

[Irontrooper]

The trophy in no way proves she's the Birdwoman. She can just as easily be the girl in the tube.

Which is what I'm more inclined to believe. Birdwoman is either Sherry or a new character altogether as far as I'm concerned at this point.

I was not saying she is the birdwoman. My point is that she has a possibility of survival.

[JillLovesChris]

Someone on youtube posted a really good video of BMW and her fight between Chris and Sheva, and even slowed it down towards the end twice at various speeds.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8_5teNUG8

[Mr. Rod]

Jill fan hate. =P
Hey! I'm Jill fan - _- But not the type you hate :lol:

[missvalentine]

It was more like an homage than anything. Sheesh.

maybe, but then a second homage in UC?


Jill fan hate. =P

:o :'(

[Gradon]

maybe, but then a second homage in UC?

I concur; a laser room in RE4? A laser room that looks exactly like the movies in RE:UC?
They're whoring that room as much as Konami rape Pyramid Head.

[Bertha]

I concur; a laser room in RE4? A laser room that looks exactly like the movies in RE:UC?
They're whoring that room as much as Konami rape Pyramid Head.

The only difference is Pyramid Head was awesome. The RE movies weren't.

[Biokk]

I concur; a laser room in RE4? A laser room that looks exactly like the movies in RE:UC?
They're whoring that room as much as Konami rape Pyramid Head.

And not to mention the Red Queen in UC!!!

[BlackHeart]

Well i wouldn't mind a laser room in resident evil 5, Wesker probably could bring Red Queen back since he stole all the data from umbrella.

I think it is just state of the art security to make sure no one gets through, i don't really mind too much because lets face it.. it is pretty effective.

[Jo-Nemisis327]

What would resident evil be without laser corridors and homicidal AI programs?:)

[Darkmoon]

...approaching intelligent?

[missvalentine]

And not to mention the Red Queen in UC!!!

Red Queen is in UC? that program in the RE1 movie? i really need to go buy UC and find out what happens in it.

[BlackHeart]

Red Queen is in UC? that program in the RE1 movie? i really need to go buy UC and find out what happens in it.

Watch the playthrough on youtube, it is there and you will learn everything that has happened in the game.

[missvalentine]

Watch the playthrough on youtube, it is there and you will learn everything that has happened in the game.

well if i watch UC on youtube, why don't i just watch RE5 on youtube, i would rather play it myself, oh if only my gamestop wasn't out of wii's :'( i went up to buy it 2 days ago.

[BlackHeart]

Resident evil 5 is next gen, first resident evil game on the next gen consoles unlike Umbrella chronicles.

I am not saying that it is not worth buying but it saves you money just incase you need it for resident evil 5, i only wanted to see UC for the story before resident evil 5 so i used youtube to watch all of that and i wasn't disappointed.

[missvalentine]

Resident evil 5 is next gen, first resident evil game on the next gen consoles unlike Umbrella chronicles.

I am not saying that it is not worth buying but it saves you money just incase you need it for resident evil 5, i only wanted to see UC for the story before resident evil 5 so i used youtube to watch all of that and i wasn't disappointed.

technically UC is the first "next gen" RE game actually, cause wii is he same generation as PS3/360 is.

the story is one of the only things i want in UC, apart from playing as Jill in it, but i also want to collect all the RE games as well, and if i just watch the story on youtube, that would only leave that fact that Jill is in it, and it's called RE as my reasons to buy it, which is not enough for me to consider buying a wii, but the story, just might be, but sadly my local games store is out of preowened wii's :(

[Darkmoon]

Yeah. The story is not enough reason to buy it. The story is about 3 minutes long. Hell, I could probably type up a fairly good summary in less than 500 words.

The majority of the story is badly done Cliff's Notes of the origional games. Much of the rest is fairly bad versions of events in the game such as Richard's getting bitten by the snake (which makes little sense, the way it's done) Wesker escaping the mansion, Ada escaping Raccoon City and the like.

Only the last chapter adds any new story, and very little there.

If all your buying a Wii for is Umbrella Chronicles you really might wanna save your cash. It truly isn't worth it. If you're getting a Wii for other stuff and a cheap copy of UC is just a bonus, cool, but it sure as hell is not worth buying for that.

[Jo-Nemisis327]

I agree with getting UC. I just got it a couple weeks ago, and while it does have an easy-to-summarize story, it's still Resident evil. It's one thing to just watch it on youtube, but another to actually play it yourself and immerse yourself in the story.

If your not gonna buy it, it's worth a rental or two.

[missvalentine]

if it was a matter of just buying it i would have it already, but i have to get a wii as well, which seems like a complete waste of money.

this is hard damnit, $275 to play as Jill Valentine in one new level? hmm...

*sigh* it's RE i think ill end up getting it anyway, im sure ill end up getting something else on my wii anyway, maybe metroid.


anyways i wonder if capcom will release anymore news about Jill before Re5's release.

[Vector]

Umbrella Chronicles is one of like three games that has me interested in a Wii...

...although I watched the entire game's playthrough on YouTube a few months ago.

[Mr. Spencer]

RE4 Wii Edition is more worth your money.

[BlackHeart]

RE4 Wii Edition is more worth your money.

I agree with that, the controls make it a hell of alot better on the Wii for resident evil 4.

[Jo-Nemisis327]

I second that. RE4 beats the hell out of UC for controls, gameplay, and pretty much everything else.

[missvalentine]

RE4 Wii Edition is more worth your money.

not really, i have the PS2 version already, and im not a huge fan of RE4 anyway. :rollseyes

[Mr. Spencer]

not really, i have the PS2 version already, and im not a huge fan of RE4 anyway. :rollseyes

Don't be getting sassy with me now, boy.

[aris13]

not really, i have the PS2 version already, and im not a huge fan of RE4 anyway. :rollseyes


I am shocked, SHOCKED!!!:lol:

[FBR4Life]

In the '08 trailer Wesker says;"Now that your partner arrived I'll leave you two alone to catch up!" The way he said it indicates that you may have to fight Jill as some people claim...or Wesker captured her as sort of black mail for Chris OR Capcom is just screwing with our brains and he was referring to Sheva. Either one I hope you don't have to fight Jill because I'll never beat the game.LOL!!

I'm not a big fan of RE4 either!

[Rakkoon]

I've been reading through the whole thread. Took me HOURS. Yeah, talking about heroic. So, I've been laughing mostly, but some thought process has apparently been conceived in the meantime. Hell, Jill is the most greatest pixel formation that has ever existed ever, as long as I'm concerned, and I do mean what I say 100%. Seriously, no other character makes me think of Resident Evil more than Jill does. And I don't mean I'm just thinking of Jill's heavenly breasts spilling out of her signature blue boob tube, which I am thinking about in fact, but that's hardly the only thing Jill reminds me of. My favorite RE games are the first 3, in reverse order. So 3, 2, 1. 3 and 2 being almost the same game, except not really. What 3 has on 2 for me is: Jill, Nemesis, and the destruction of Raccoon City, which in my opinion is the most epic event in the whole RE series, nothing tops that. So Jill is half the game for me, to put it simply. All the way. Yeah, sure there's the eye-popping cleavage, the whole damn sex appeal and beauty and whatever words you choose to use, but... Jill is in fact, to a veteran fan like myself, an epic character of monstrous proportions who I would NOT like to see dead, screw story depth or whatever lame excuse for such a character's death Capcom comes up with. No, thanks.

About game endings, cannons, etc... Well, you know what? I've always wondered what the hell happened to Rebecca, who in my opinion was absolutely fantastic. Characters like Sherry and Ashley piss me off enormously, although they could somehow be compared to Rebecca due to their lack of experience and fragility. But Rebecca rocks, she's absolutely badass. That's what separates her from simply annoying characters. So, what the hell happened to Rebecca? Yeah, and imagine her now, 10 years later, all grown up and hot as hell. She would so kick ass! If you ask me, I would totally love it for Jill to appear alongside Rebecca again. I would love it even more to see Jill, Rebecca, Claire, and Ada in one RE game all together, story and all! Now how great would that be?

What I believe, in other words what suits my interest, would be for Jill to have the most amazing comeback in RE5. THE comeback of all comebacks. No cameo, no flashbacks, no Wesker-like shadowy presense throughout the whole game, none of that. Maybe a bit of mystery at first, but then a major comeback, Jill in all her glory. Someone there mentioned skimpy clothing with lots of cleavage. Yeah, that wouldn't hurt either. Preferably something in dark blue. Red eyes would piss me off, absolutely. Give me back Jill's blue eyes and let me be happy I spent my money on another RE game!

It would be great to see Jill back, now more mature and more badass. Now in her early 30's. What a woman, what a character! Epic. So yeah, give me that. And it would make perfect sense too. Can't you see the kind of attention this is getting? Capcom's idea in action. Make the fans anxious to see Jill back (her being dead is the perfect way to make that happen), then give her back to the fans and see what happens. You make loyal fans that way. Many of them would appreciate something like that, I would. And I've been a fan since 1998. It's sad to say the fun I've had with RE in the late 90's far exceeds the fun I've had with it in all those years after that combined and multiplied by 10. A remake of 2 and 3 would shift the balance a little, I guess. But I don't care about that much. I just wish things weren't so damn commercial, and Capcom would remember who made Resident Evil what it is today in the first place.

If Jill is evil in RE5, so be it. Maybe that way she could become immortal too... That would actually be awesome. Yeah, Jill all the way! If they upgrade her to an even bigger cup, I wouldn't hate it that much you know ;p So, I don't care, just as long as Jill is alive and has a major role in RE5, and why not a few more games after that with her as the main protagonist? Or antagonist. Yeah, why not have Jill become evil and tell a RE story from a villain's perspective? Why do all the games have to be from the hero's perspective? RE6 with Jill being evil, or at least halfway so, not knowing who she really is, trying to fight against her evil side throughout the whole game. And it would in fact help make quite a deep emotional story. Hey, Capcom has Resident Evil going strong now, there's no limit to what they can do with it. A bit more creativity and dedication, a bit more innovation, and see what happens!

Something else about male and female characters. Females for me please! Man, how stupid is relating to an almost invincible super strong kind of supermen-like sort of superhero type of guy who goes from 5'10" to 6'1" from game to game and walks around in a shirt that screams: "Chris, I don't fit yoouuu!!" (sorry about the blatant Eminem reference, I just couldn't help myself) So yeah, I'm sorry but I think that macho crap is stupid. I like a girl in a game, something beautiful to contrast with all the terror. Like, the exact opposite. Contrasts are nice! It doesn't hurt either to have a beautiful face and body to look at rather than a muscle-bound generic type of 'hero' who breezes through the game as if a 20" bicep would really make all the difference. Boooo! Resident Evil was never all horror, it would have sucked if it was, but it was never all about action either. Now, it's leaning towards action a bit too much, the male protagonist trend being a huge weight on that scale. Hm, I never thought I would say that (being anti-feminist and all), but...GIRL POWER!!!! Really, I don't want to stare at another guy's ass through hours of testosterone-packed gameplay.

Someone mentioned how killing Jill is like taking Steve Austin out of the WWE/WWF. I couldn't agree more! I can totally relate to that! Yeah, think of how wrestling changed after all the coolest wrestlers left and the few cool ones who stayed just...became kind of empty. When Steve Austin was gone, wrestling died for me. If Jill dies, well I guess Resident Evil would TOTALLY change, and I'm sorry but I can't have that. Irony, man. It's like a major thing in life. I remember in 1998 I wanted games to look like they do now, not really imagining one day they actually would. But hell, that day has finally come, and I never thought now I'd be whining about what I'm whining about and wish games were like they used to be. Ironic. But yeah, I totally like progress, I love progress. I love better graphics, more action, more characters, MORE of everything...but only if the rest, the old school stuff is still there in some form, because I'm used to it. That was my childhood when it comes to games. Like how they still keep the typewriters and herbs and stuff...I love that, but it's not enough guys. I like how there are new fans of the series, because they buy games and play them and then buy some more, which means money for Capcom, which means more RE games. But I hate new fans, especially those who have no idea what RE is, because their mindset is completely different and that leads to terrible decisions in Capcom, because after all Capcom wants to sell, which is perfectly fine, but when it leads to ruining something that's been built for years, it just plain sucks. Sigh. I hope I'm not alone on this.

And what's with some people wanting Jill dead, or worse, not liking Jill in the first place? They know who they are. I mean, everyone has the right to have bad taste, but what's not to like about Jill? You don't have to answer, that was a rhetorical question. Arguments like 'a series is more than a single character' are, if not completely untrue, at least not completely true. A character does make a series. Lara Croft, enough said. Sure, Resident Evil is no Tomb Raider, no single main character (although I do enjoy the idea of having a Jill Valentine: Resident Evil spin-off title), but start coming up with new characters all the time ignoring the ones in the center of the storyline and see what happens. That's just as tasteless as it gets man...either that, or it has a really terrible taste and is disgusting. Resident Evil is not Jill Valentine, and Jill Valentine is not Resident Evil. True, but it's also true that you can't have teriyaki chicken without the teriyaki sauce, even though the teriyaki sauce is not the chicken itself, which is the main thing you eat. But it's just chicken without the teriyaki sauce, plain and tasteless. So is Resident Evil without its most recognizable characters. They should NOT die, not one of them. 'Heroes never die' sounds about right. Call it cliche, but realism has its limit. You can't make everything realistic, that's not the point. Jill, Chris, Claire, Leon, Wesker, and even Rebecca. Even Ada and Barry despite never being MAIN characters. They're all epic. They either stay, or RE changes totally and becomes a different game with the same name.

Long story short, Jill needs to come back. And yeah, so do Rebecca and Barry. Absolutely.

[JillLovesChris]

I've been reading through the whole thread. Took me HOURS. Yeah, talking about heroic. So, I've been laughing mostly, but some thought process has apparently been conceived in the meantime. Hell, Jill is the most greatest pixel formation that has ever existed ever, as long as I'm concerned, and I do mean what I say 100%. Seriously, no other character makes me think of Resident Evil more than Jill does. And I don't mean I'm just thinking of Jill's heavenly breasts spilling out of her signature blue boob tube, which I am thinking about in fact, but that's hardly the only thing Jill reminds me of. My favorite RE games are the first 3, in reverse order. So 3, 2, 1. 3 and 2 being almost the same game, except not really. What 3 has on 2 for me is: Jill, Nemesis, and the destruction of Raccoon City, which in my opinion is the most epic event in the whole RE series, nothing tops that. So Jill is half the game for me, to put it simply. All the way. Yeah, sure there's the eye-popping cleavage, the whole damn sex appeal and beauty and whatever words you choose to use, but... Jill is in fact, to a veteran fan like myself, an epic character of monstrous proportions who I would NOT like to see dead, screw story depth or whatever lame excuse for such a character's death Capcom comes up with. No, thanks.

About game endings, cannons, etc... Well, you know what? I've always wondered what the hell happened to Rebecca, who in my opinion was absolutely fantastic. Characters like Sherry and Ashley piss me off enormously, although they could somehow be compared to Rebecca due to their lack of experience and fragility. But Rebecca rocks, she's absolutely badass. That's what separates her from simply annoying characters. So, what the hell happened to Rebecca? Yeah, and imagine her now, 10 years later, all grown up and hot as hell. She would so kick ass! If you ask me, I would totally love it for Jill to appear alongside Rebecca again. I would love it even more to see Jill, Rebecca, Claire, and Ada in one RE game all together, story and all! Now how great would that be?

What I believe, in other words what suits my interest, would be for Jill to have the most amazing comeback in RE5. THE comeback of all comebacks. No cameo, no flashbacks, no Wesker-like shadowy presense throughout the whole game, none of that. Maybe a bit of mystery at first, but then a major comeback, Jill in all her glory. Someone there mentioned skimpy clothing with lots of cleavage. Yeah, that wouldn't hurt either. Preferably something in dark blue. Red eyes would piss me off, absolutely. Give me back Jill's blue eyes and let me be happy I spent my money on another RE game!

It would be great to see Jill back, now more mature and more badass. Now in her early 30's. What a woman, what a character! Epic. So yeah, give me that. And it would make perfect sense too. Can't you see the kind of attention this is getting? Capcom's idea in action. Make the fans anxious to see Jill back (her being dead is the perfect way to make that happen), then give her back to the fans and see what happens. You make loyal fans that way. Many of them would appreciate something like that, I would. And I've been a fan since 1998. It's sad to say the fun I've had with RE in the late 90's far exceeds the fun I've had with it in all those years after that combined and multiplied by 10. A remake of 2 and 3 would shift the balance a little, I guess. But I don't care about that much. I just wish things weren't so damn commercial, and Capcom would remember who made Resident Evil what it is today in the first place.

If Jill is evil in RE5, so be it. Maybe that way she could become immortal too... That would actually be awesome. Yeah, Jill all the way! If they upgrade her to an even bigger cup, I wouldn't hate it that much you know ;p So, I don't care, just as long as Jill is alive and has a major role in RE5, and why not a few more games after that with her as the main protagonist? Or antagonist. Yeah, why not have Jill become evil and tell a RE story from a villain's perspective? Why do all the games have to be from the hero's perspective? RE6 with Jill being evil, or at least halfway so, not knowing who she really is, trying to fight against her evil side throughout the whole game. And it would in fact help make quite a deep emotional story. Hey, Capcom has Resident Evil going strong now, there's no limit to what they can do with it. A bit more creativity and dedication, a bit more innovation, and see what happens!

Something else about male and female characters. Females for me please! Man, how stupid is relating to an almost invincible super strong kind of supermen-like sort of superhero type of guy who goes from 5'10" to 6'1" from game to game and walks around in a shirt that screams: "Chris, I don't fit yoouuu!!" (sorry about the blatant Eminem reference, I just couldn't help myself) So yeah, I'm sorry but I think that macho crap is stupid. I like a girl in a game, something beautiful to contrast with all the terror. Like, the exact opposite. Contrasts are nice! It doesn't hurt either to have a beautiful face and body to look at rather than a muscle-bound generic type of 'hero' who breezes through the game as if a 20" bicep would really make all the difference. Boooo! Resident Evil was never all horror, it would have sucked if it was, but it was never all about action either. Now, it's leaning towards action a bit too much, the male protagonist trend being a huge weight on that scale. Hm, I never thought I would say that (being anti-feminist and all), but...GIRL POWER!!!! Really, I don't want to stare at another guy's ass through hours of testosterone-packed gameplay.

Someone mentioned how killing Jill is like taking Steve Austin out of the WWE/WWF. I couldn't agree more! I can totally relate to that! Yeah, think of how wrestling changed after all the coolest wrestlers left and the few cool ones who stayed just...became kind of empty. When Steve Austin was gone, wrestling died for me. If Jill dies, well I guess Resident Evil would TOTALLY change, and I'm sorry but I can't have that. Irony, man. It's like a major thing in life. I remember in 1998 I wanted games to look like they do now, not really imagining one day they actually would. But hell, that day has finally come, and I never thought now I'd be whining about what I'm whining about and wish games were like they used to be. Ironic. But yeah, I totally like progress, I love progress. I love better graphics, more action, more characters, MORE of everything...but only if the rest, the old school stuff is still there in some form, because I'm used to it. That was my childhood when it comes to games. Like how they still keep the typewriters and herbs and stuff...I love that, but it's not enough guys. I like how there are new fans of the series, because they buy games and play them and then buy some more, which means money for Capcom, which means more RE games. But I hate new fans, especially those who have no idea what RE is, because their mindset is completely different and that leads to terrible decisions in Capcom, because after all Capcom wants to sell, which is perfectly fine, but when it leads to ruining something that's been built for years, it just plain sucks. Sigh. I hope I'm not alone on this.

And what's with some people wanting Jill dead, or worse, not liking Jill in the first place? They know who they are. I mean, everyone has the right to have bad taste, but what's not to like about Jill? You don't have to answer, that was a rhetorical question. Arguments like 'a series is more than a single character' are, if not completely untrue, at least not completely true. A character does make a series. Lara Croft, enough said. Sure, Resident Evil is no Tomb Raider, no single main character (although I do enjoy the idea of having a Jill Valentine: Resident Evil spin-off title), but start coming up with new characters all the time ignoring the ones in the center of the storyline and see what happens. That's just as tasteless as it gets man...either that, or it has a really terrible taste and is disgusting. Resident Evil is not Jill Valentine, and Jill Valentine is not Resident Evil. True, but it's also true that you can't have teriyaki chicken without the teriyaki sauce, even though the teriyaki sauce is not the chicken itself, which is the main thing you eat. But it's just chicken without the teriyaki sauce, plain and tasteless. So is Resident Evil without its most recognizable characters. They should NOT die, not one of them. 'Heroes never die' sounds about right. Call it cliche, but realism has its limit. You can't make everything realistic, that's not the point. Jill, Chris, Claire, Leon, Wesker, and even Rebecca. Even Ada and Barry despite never being MAIN characters. They're all epic. They either stay, or RE changes totally and becomes a different game with the same name.

Long story short, Jill needs to come back. And yeah, so do Rebecca and Barry. Absolutely.

You know, now that you mention it, Jill is the Lara Croft of the RE franchise in terms of popularity and association of a character with a particular franchise just as much as Leon and Chris are as the males in the RE universe with the casual gamers. Even if you do not follow the games and its mythos as much as we do on the boards here and online elsewhere, they are characters we can immediately associate with RE and know it.

If there is going to be a sixth game in the series I am hoping that it will switch to a female main character and it be Jill this time, with perhaps maybe even Ada, Rebecca, Sherry and more females from the series coming in to make it probably one of the first action horror games to feature a predominately all female cast. And considering how I will like the co op mode in five, maybe even have one of them work side by side with you but if not have the option of just playing alone for most of the game.

And although I do agree that there needs to be a sense of realism bought back into the franchise, a bit of science fiction is okay as long as it does not overload and saturate the game to the point where it becomes too easy. I always did not like really how Wesker was granted all these super powers even though logically being a bio weapon now it is to be expected, but it would be nice for the more traditional game of gun play and puzzle solving make its way back into the series if they do make a sixth one.

[Rakkoon]

Alright, who agrees that killing Jill would be too much of a waste??


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[missvalentine]

:D

i have to say that i totaly agree with Rakkoon and JillLovesChris.

i hate it so much when companys kill of a major character so they can have a dramatic plot or something stupid like that.

Jill Valentine Alive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dramatic Plot

oh and, now that i think about it, even though RE has an ensemble cast, Jill is easily the most popular, why else choose her for the grave stone, Jill is the face of the series, just like Lara, though not to the same extent as Lara is.

[P Anderson DIE]

Steve Austin is the man WWE went rubbish after he left. 316 4eva.

[Rakkoon]

Steve Austin is the man WWE went rubbish after he left. 316 4eva.

HELL YEAH

[ValentineKnight]

Didn't Chris Kramer say on that g4 interview that Jill died and how it happened would be revealed half-way through the game? Sucks if she did...

[P Anderson DIE]

Yeah he say's something along those lines I think he means we will find out what happened to Jill half way through the game not we see ow Jill died. Dont think I can take that for official yet.

[ValentineKnight]

Hm maybe...It wouldn't make sense to show how a character died half-way through the game would it?

[Vector]

This stuff should be spoiler-tagged, or in the RE5 spoilers thread.

[ValentineKnight]

This stuff should be spoiler-tagged, or in the RE5 spoilers thread.

I didn't think it was a spoiler cause it's in the news section

[Vector]

Eh. Even if it's in the news section, it pertains directly to plot-points of the game. That usually = spoiler.

[missvalentine]

Didn't Chris Kramer say on that g4 interview that Jill died and how it happened would be revealed half-way through the game? Sucks if she did...

i think he said we will find out everything about her supposed death half way through the game.

so we wil probably find out that she's birdlady or tube girl or something

[Jill Lover]

I'm convinced about Jill being alive, but all this madness about having her experimented a possibly being an enemy is getting very awkward. I wish there would be more straight spoilers to come up with something more solid.

[P Anderson DIE]

Remeber when someone posted a screencap of 'Jill Is Alive' written into the background of the offical Re5 site, Well my mate say's that he found it to, Im off to have a good study now. Dont think he'd lie to me like that would be abit strange.

[aris13]

Remeber when someone posted a screencap of 'Jill Is Alive' written into the background of the offical Re5 site

We cleared that out, it was photoshop.

[P Anderson DIE]

Yeah I cant see it there found some other stuff Seashells are evil apparentley. What that hell is that supposed to mean.

[Gradon]

Yeah I cant see it there found some other stuff Seashells are evil apparentley. What that hell is that supposed to mean.

http://godhatesshrimp.com :waga waga

[missvalentine]

Yeah I cant see it there found some other stuff Seashells are evil apparentley. What that hell is that supposed to mean.

maybe... -.- the sea shells killed Jill? :P

i really have no idea what it could mean, but i do remember someone had a really good theory about that once, but i forgot, i think it had something to do with Sheva, im not sure.


http://godhatesshrimp.com :waga waga

:uhh: ook o_o




:P

[Biokk]

Or maybe the "seahells are evil" line is a reference to Rebecca? Did I dream this or didn't Rebecca have seashell earrings??? :D ;)

[Dark_Chris]

I think seashell is the Kraken boss

[Archelon]

Maybe "Seashell" is the name of corporation S?

[Biokk]

Didn't Chris Kramer say on that g4 interview that Jill died and how it happened would be revealed half-way through the game? Sucks if she did...

As disrespectful as this may sound, but I dont really listen to what this guy said after his ''Barry was killed by the Tyrant'' quote.. o_o lol

[ValentineKnight]

I just feel like I have to say this but when I read Jill died it just depressed me cause I was hoping she'd be a main character again or in RE5...sorry to his fans but I've never liked Chris.

[missvalentine]

Or maybe the "seahells are evil" line is a reference to Rebecca? Did I dream this or didn't Rebecca have seashell earrings??? :D ;)

yes that's it, the theory had something to do with earings, i can't remember if it was Sheve or Rebecca, but earings where mentions in it.



I just feel like I have to say this but when I read Jill died it just depressed me cause I was hoping she'd be a main character again or in RE5...sorry to his fans but I've never liked Chris.

i was so depressed the night i first watched the trailer with Jill's grave stone in it, i just could not,a nd would not believe it, i hateed it.

and i agree about Chris, never liked him, he's my least favorite character.

but now i don't think she's dead at all, im almost 100% sure that Jill is BirdLady.

[News Bot]

Maybe "Seashell" is the name of corporation S?

I get the impression that "S" is just TriCell.

Largely because introducing yet another pharmacutical company is fucking stupid and Wesker doesn't really have any need to switch allegences yet again.

[P Anderson DIE]

Lmao at the god hates shrimp link. Also Biokk you have an awesome avatar you got a bigger version of that? Why is S anything to do with Tricell? Is it because they're SCUM?

[Jill Lover]

I knew Jill would be in this game... somehow... but I never imagined in this way...

[ValentineKnight]

I knew Jill would be in this game... somehow... but I never imagined in this way...

Me neither...seriously if they do kill her I'll lose all my respect for the RE team.Why?Because killing a character for the sake of motivating another character to go on a manhunt for the villain(and for the sake of sales) is predictable and it's been done a million times over already.:\ (It's getting annoying)

[missvalentine]

Me neither...seriously if they do kill her I'll lose all my respect for the RE team.Why?Because killing a character for the sake of motivating another character to go on a manhunt for the villain(and for the sake of sales) is predictable and it's been done a million times over already.:\ (It's getting annoying)

:lol: i agree with every word you spoke, in fact your agruement is just like mine. ^_^

if Jill dies, i lose all respect for RE and it dies, especially if it's just to fuel Chris's rage so he can kill Wesker, that would be the worst possible thing they could do in RE5.

killing of a fan favorite is always a bad decision, always.

cause after there dead, why should i bother with the series afterwards?

i have no care for Chris, Leon sucks now, and is a Chris clone, Claire is now a soldier, and is not motherly anymore, which sucks, Rebecca and Barry are non existent, camera angles are gone, horror has been replaced by action, the story sucks now, everyone is on roids or has super powers, and it's now almost a war game.

what reason do i have to continue the series if Jill dies? since she's the only thing holding me to the series right now.

im a classic RE fan, and a Jill fan, not a new RE fan, so don't whine and complain about this topic if say Jill is more important that RE5's plot.

sorry about the rant.

[ValentineKnight]

^ I'm like this,didn't like the ones that came after 3...And Jill was also the only reason I gave the series a second look(after playing as her on the gamecube one. I looked into the series but found RE4 uninteresting So I kept waiting/hopeing for Jill to comeback Yes I got into a game for a single character go ahead and laugh at me if you want I don't care I still think Jill was better than Ada)Also I remember hearing of the crap Capcom caused when they tried to remove Ryu,Ken,Chun Li and Akuma(the 3 characters who are most associated with the Street Fighter series and a reoccurring fan favorite) from Street Fighter III.:\ I don't even think I need to elaborate on how that went:rollseyes and here they are about to do the same shit again(Do these companies never learn?)

[JillLovesChris]

Its not unusual to get into a series because of one character in a game. A lot of guys got into Tomb Raider based on Lara Croft alone and stayed for the gameplay and storyline once they got into it. And Final Fantasy is another genre where a lot of people got into the series because the loved a certain character in the game they played and then decided to check out the other titles in the series.

[JillLovesChris]

On that note too, the main reason I got into RE in the first place was RE 2 and the amazing gameplay and how the horror aspect was a totally new concept to me and the fact that you just did not know what to expect. In that respect I liked Leon and Claire more in the game than I do in any other incarnations that seemed to have f'ed up their characters and made them nothing like the people I cared for in the game, much like they screwed up Jill in the second RE movie.

Point is, you want to care about the person you are playing in order to want to do what is best for them so they survive, and in the new RE games you just do not get that like you do in the older games imo. It is all action and not enough character development unless you have been following these games since the first release.

[Mr. Spencer]

Nicholai should kill her.

[Archelon]

Nicholai should kill her.

You like to live dangerously, don't you?

[Mr. Spencer]

You like to live dangerously, don't you?

You think I'm reckless, don't you?

[ValentineKnight]

Nicholai should kill her.

Are you trying to joke or are you serious?

[Mr. Spencer]

Are you trying to joke or are you serious?

Not now, I'm busy.

[ValentineKnight]

Not now, I'm busy.

Don't get the wrong idea...I'm still new here and am not going to start a flamewar over this.(I'm just bad at detecting sarcasm)

[Darkmoon]

Take everything Mr Spencer says from the sillyest possible pespective and you usuall get the right idea. When he's being serious he writes really, really long posts. Which are still silly, they're just accurate.

On a site note...there are no flame wars here, as the mods hunt down flamers with high powered weaponry while placing bets on how long they'll survive. The answer is usually not very long, alas. You can disagree with folk but you need to be polite while doing it as things like, 'You're a fucking moron for thinking that, fucktard' tend to get you ass kicked by, well, me.

Now, on topic please.

[Jill Lover]

Yeah, he's not the particular fellow to start with. But anyway, Darkmoon is right, when his posts are long enough, you know he's being serious.

[ValentineKnight]

Sorry I just try to avoid misunderstandings and back on topic I hope Capcom don't kill her...(sad face)

[Wesker's Shadow]

Jill is by far my favorite female character with Claire coming in at second. I too really hope she doesn't die in the game because my heart will break. Though if that does have to happen, I hope it's not something silly where she sacrifices her life to defeat Wesker (and herself possibly) and save Chris from an impending doom. That would be really cliched and terrible of Capcom. Let's hope for the best though.

As for the male characters, well, I prefer the villians, lol. I like Chris, but guys like Wesker are just far more interesting.

[ValentineKnight]

Yeah I think part of me died when I first heard But being Chris and having to see it...I just couldn't handle it...

[P Anderson DIE]

Well Nicholai wont be killing anyone because his ass is dead. And ...you know he's a wimp, Jill would devour him. She killed Nemesis, Nicholai would be like squishing a bug.

[Irontrooper]

Well Nicholai wont be killing anyone because his ass is dead. And ...you know he's a wimp, Jill would devour him. She killed Nemesis, Nicholai would be like squishing a bug.
Indeed, it would take about 50 truckloads of Chuck Norris clones to take down Jill.

[ValentineKnight]

I'm wondering Why in Hell would Capcom kill Jill? Seriously I'm suprised an interviewer never asked about it.

[Mr. Spencer]

Well Nicholai wont be killing anyone because his ass is dead. And ...you know he's a wimp, Jill would devour him. She killed Nemesis, Nicholai would be like squishing a bug.

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[Agent_Wong]

I'm wondering Why in Hell would Capcom kill Jill? Seriously I'm suprised an interviewer never asked about it.

He could've asked all he wanted, but I guarantee he wouldn't have gotten the answer he was looking for. They wouldn't give away a major plot point like that.

[JillLovesChris]

It will be interesting in any case to see if, indeed, the whole reason Chris is in Africa is not because of the BSAA but because of a lead to where Jill is or has been rumoured to been seen. Or perhaps he is just on the hunt for Wesker's blood and stuff goes down and a lot of vendettas are bought out into the open in this one.

[P Anderson DIE]

Lol Spence. That was a mere scratch.

[missvalentine]

EDIT: i was just listening to RE3's sound track, and i think, if Jill does die in RE5, they should have a funeral scene for her, and i think they should play this (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=UyQk4vFLFpo) music at it, or something similar to that anyway, that song always makes me cry.



^ I'm like this,didn't like the ones that came after 3...And Jill was also the only reason I gave the series a second look(after playing as her on the gamecube one. I looked into the series but found RE4 uninteresting So I kept waiting/hopeing for Jill to comeback Yes I got into a game for a single character go ahead and laugh at me if you want I don't care I still think Jill was better than Ada)Also I remember hearing of the crap Capcom caused when they tried to remove Ryu,Ken,Chun Li and Akuma(the 3 characters who are most associated with the Street Fighter series and a reoccurring fan favorite) from Street Fighter III.:\ I don't even think I need to elaborate on how that went:rollseyes and here they are about to do the same shit again(Do these companies never learn?)

getting into a series for a single character is nothing to be ashamed of at all, the characters are some of the best things about a game or movie, it's the same for playing a game for gameplay, playing for a character is because your playing it because you like that characters story, so it's a very valid reason.

and no capcom never learn, they probably figured, hay, when we took characters out of streat fighter, it made contraversy, lets do it for RE as well, mmm.... money.


On that note too, the main reason I got into RE in the first place was RE 2 and the amazing gameplay and how the horror aspect was a totally new concept to me and the fact that you just did not know what to expect. In that respect I liked Leon and Claire more in the game than I do in any other incarnations that seemed to have f'ed up their characters and made them nothing like the people I cared for in the game, much like they screwed up Jill in the second RE movie.

Point is, you want to care about the person you are playing in order to want to do what is best for them so they survive, and in the new RE games you just do not get that like you do in the older games imo. It is all action and not enough character development unless you have been following these games since the first release.

i got into RE because i loved Horror, and wanted to see what it was like in the video game form, and how it would play out, and before i played i only new of 1 character in the series, and it was Jill, so i was looking for the games with her in it as well.


Nicholai should kill her.

:D:rollseyes:waga waga^_^-.-:o:billy:

how can he kill when he doesn't have a mighty beard yet? like Barry? i say Beard then killing. :P :rollseyes


Jill is by far my favorite female character with Claire coming in at second. I too really hope she doesn't die in the game because my heart will break. Though if that does have to happen, I hope it's not something silly where she sacrifices her life to defeat Wesker (and herself possibly) and save Chris from an impending doom. That would be really cliched and terrible of Capcom. Let's hope for the best though.

As for the male characters, well, I prefer the villians, lol. I like Chris, but guys like Wesker are just far more interesting.

yeah if Jill dies to help Chris defeat Wesker, or something like that, it would be the worst possible thing capcom could do, and it would totally suck.

but knowing capcom, they would probably do that.


I'm wondering Why in Hell would Capcom kill Jill? Seriously I'm suprised an interviewer never asked about it.

money.

if they had just killed her off suddenly in the game, it would have been pointless, but by putting it in the trailer, that way everyone finds out that Jill is dead, or is possibly dieing, that way everybody buys the game, and capcom gets more money.

plus it also secured all the classic fans that hated RE4 and said they were leaving the series will now come back to find out about Jill.

[ValentineKnight]

Yeah you're right...It's about money.But I'm still hoping it's a ruse...(denial lol )
but this video I mentioned before Kramar says she's dead I think...
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/692434/Resident_Evil_5_CES_09_%20Interview.html

[Irontrooper]

Yeah you're right...It's about money.But I'm still hoping it's a ruse...(denial lol )
but this video I mentioned before Kramar says she's dead I think...
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/692434/Resident_Evil_5_CES_09_%20Interview.htmlWARNING possible spoilers if you haven't seen it

Kramer also said Barry was killed by the tyrant, he's not currently number one on my trustworthy sources.

[ValentineKnight]

Kramer also said Barry was killed by the tyrant, he's not currently number one on my trustworthy sources.

well he said we'd find out how by mid game...that's what got me worried

[Mr. Spencer]

Hm, this Chris Kramer fellow looks like the illegitimate son of the Sex Pistols' Johnny Rotten, and John C. McGinley.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/peterstillman/kramer.png

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/peterstillman/johnnyrotten.jpg

http://www.tvsquad.com/media/2006/05/mcg.jpg

[Rakkoon]

It will be interesting in any case to see if, indeed, the whole reason Chris is in Africa is not because of the BSAA but because of a lead to where Jill is or has been rumoured to been seen. Or perhaps he is just on the hunt for Wesker's blood and stuff goes down and a lot of vendettas are bought out into the open in this one.

If it turns out Chris actually goes to Africa in search of Jill, now that would be one great turn of events. Chris introducing himself to Sheva: "I'm Chris. Chris Redfield. I'm looking for my partner Jill." :lol:

[JillLovesChris]

I wonder if, it does turn out she is alive, you could someone have a co - op situation with her even if only for a short while.

[nemesiswontdie]

I wonder if, it does turn out she is alive, you could someone have a co - op situation with her even if only for a short while.


that'd be cool im pretty sure alot of us here would like that actually
but i dont want her 2 die
shes my fav chick character in the RE series hell my all time fav girl character in anygame actually

but seriously tho capcom needs kill some one else off not jill

[missvalentine]

I wonder if, it does turn out she is alive, you could someone have a co - op situation with her even if only for a short while.

that would be awesome, i would love that, but i wonder if the camera would stay over the left shoulder, or switch to the right, cause i think i prefer Sheva's camera to Chris's now, i wish all games had the camera over the left hand side.


that'd be cool im pretty sure alot of us here would like that actually
but i dont want her 2 die
shes my fav chick character in the RE series hell my all time fav girl character in anygame actually

but seriously tho capcom needs kill some one else off not jill

yeah Jill's a spunk isn't she, :D

but i don't think a character has to die, i wouldn't mind if they all lived.

[JillLovesChris]

I got a suspicion too that one of the last videos we will see in the viral campaign before the game is released is one named JILL, just to get the mystery moving even more.

[P Anderson DIE]

Birdlady/Jill Picture below.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/resident%20evil%205/mytafan_ct/matjil.jpg?o=11 Obviously a fake but look at the jaw thier identical. Birdlady looks a little more pale, possibly she is sick.

[Wesker's Shadow]

I got a suspicion too that one of the last videos we will see in the viral campaign before the game is released is one named JILL, just to get the mystery moving even more.

I'm sure we'll get something about Jill. Atleast I hope so.

The same could be said for Wesker. I'm surprised he hasn't had one either.

[Cellardoorsolar]

Hints of Jill have been littered throughout trailers since the "tube woman" trailer. I find a lot of the editing in the cutscene clips in the trailers to be evasive of certain aspects of the plot. Cutting dialogue and putting them into scenes they don't belong to. I am astounded the plot has been kept underwraps for so long, considering EVERYONE interested in the game is poking and prodding for the tiniest hints as to what the story is going to consist of.

I think Jill is going to be a VERY important factor in this game.

I don't think she is cloned, because I feel that would just water down her character. If there are clones, I think Jill #1 is still in the game and will show her true character.

I also don't think she will just show up "here and there." I think she is going to be an overwhelming character along with Wesker for most of the game.

Do we even know much about the second half of the game? I have been all over info and pics, and glimpses of the second half have been Mighty Sparse! Considering the feedback of early reviews and hands-ons about THE STORY (I've never heard of a critic raving about the story in a RE game), I think we have something truly awesome coming. ^_^

[Vector]

Do we even know much about the second half of the game?

No...and I really wanna keep it that way. I'll probably be going into hibernation a week or two before the game releases.

[Petronio]

From Joystiq:

What else aren't you telling us?
Capcom has a huge list of things we're not allowed to talk about in this preview. Did you know that **** ********* is actually *****? Yeah, pretty surprising.

Pretty surprising that JILL VALENTINE is actually ALIVE? Not at all.

At least it's a ig hint at the fact that she is not a clone...

[missvalentine]

From Joystiq:

What else aren't you telling us?
Capcom has a huge list of things we're not allowed to talk about in this preview. Did you know that **** ********* is actually *****? Yeah, pretty surprising.

Pretty surprising that JILL VALENTINE is actually ALIVE? Not at all.

At least it's a ig hint at the fact that she is not a clone...

wow, that's a code worthy of it's own enigma they have there. :P

*dances with joy*

my dearest Jillian lives!!!! :D

[aris13]

If Jill is the birdlady but she's not a clone then she is working with Wesker.

[Mr. Spencer]

wow, that's a code worthy of it's own enigma they have there. :P

*dances with joy*

my dearest Jillian lives!!!! :D

Forgive me if I am not overwhelmed with emotion.

[Jill Lover]

Bleh... boredom Mr. Spencer lately?

Oh nelly, back on topic, I think that Jill might get a surprising role in this game.

[Mr. Spencer]

Or disdain. One or the other.

[Cellardoorsolar]

Bleh... boredom Mr. Spencer lately?

Oh nelly, back on topic, I think that Jill might get a surprising role in this game.


Or disdain. One or the other.

Oh! But, Ozwell, what if that surprising role is that SD Perry got it wrong and Jill isn't a recovered catburglar at all. Jill is actually your daughter, silly, and you just tested her throughout the series until 2006 when you and Wesker brought her back to the dark side, because she passed all of your delicious tests of survival?? And, well, we know what happened to you in 2006. Then Jill said, "Well, I guess Wesker my daddy now, and Excella my mommy... musttt eeattt Chrrriissss!"

....oh, I'm evil... Which is why we're on a first name basis, Ozwell.

[Bertha]

Can you people please stay on topic? Any decent information is lost upon your spam.

[Mr. Spencer]

I have no idea what just transpired.

[Vector]

Back on topic: Jill's boobs are awesome.

[JillLovesChris]

Now that is has been bought it, it is interesting to note that the second half of the game is pretty much unspoiled and kept vague and so in that instance it could mean that the Chris and Jill relationship plays a much bigger part in the whole scenario than we have first thought after all.

[missvalentine]

Forgive me if I am not overwhelmed with emotion.

:o you sir have just commited a sin!! death shall be upon you!


Back on topic: Jill's boobs are awesome.

i see what you did there :rollseyes


Now that is has been bought it, it is interesting to note that the second half of the game is pretty much unspoiled and kept vague and so in that instance it could mean that the Chris and Jill relationship plays a much bigger part in the whole scenario than we have first thought after all.

but why did capcom spoil the first half anyway? what's the point of it all?why can't they keep the whole plot a secret, instead of just half of it, it wil be better that way when we actually play it.

[Rock it.]

The 2nd part of the game is likely to be radically different from the first one, like in Code Veronica (from middle-of-nowhere to Antartica? You got me there Capcom, just not in a good way) or RE4 (from awesome spanic village to.... a castle? What's that, an evil factory?!). I'm expecting a radical change in the setting and in the character's objectives (ZOMFG JILZ'S ALIVE INSIDE THAT VOLCANO?! GUT TO GET HER!). Alcohol says I. Lots of it.

[TheSelfishGene]

From Joystiq:

Did you know that **** ********* is actually *****?

Let's play a game!


Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Chris?

Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Sheva?

Your turn!

[missvalentine]

Let's play a game!


Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Chris?

Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Sheva?

Your turn!

Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Barry?

Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Alive?

Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Horny?

Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Naked?

Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Boobs?

Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Becca?

Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Kendo?

Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Frodo?

:P

anyways, if Jill is Tubegirl, if she is, damnit why is she blonde now? i want her to retain her brunette hair color, i hope it's just the light.

[Rakkoon]

Back on topic: Jill's boobs are awesome.


Did you know that Jill Valentine is actually Boobs?

From now on, the topic should revolve around Jill and her Boobs.

[ValentineKnight]

Well I'm just happy she's in the game now(simple reason I was upset was cause I was afraid they'd give Jill "the woman in the fridge" treatment*I hate when people do that* Since that's not the case I'm satisfied ^_^ )

[Vector]

From now on, the topic should revolve around Jill and her Boobs.

You got it. ^_^

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3509/3277135300_d2bdd0a6c6_o.jpg

[BadWolfX]

:|

Unexpected Jill Boobs alert.

[Darinl1979]

I too am a Jill Valentine fan but probably not the same as alot of people around here from what I can tell. Its actually quite depressing to know that alot of her popularity stems from "Whoa Jill in Resident Evil 3 is hot, shes my new favorite character". Its even more depressing when I see arguements on forums between fans and haters, haters express their understandably valid points and fans go one of two ways. They will also put out valid points or they will post half naked fan-art/hentai that is seemingly supposed to help their cause.

Jill is awesome but not because she is hot, at least in my opinion. I found that she was believable as a female heroine unlike alot of others that were around at her time. People used to tote how amazing Lara Croft was and I honestly could never buy into that hype. Of course this all could change depending on Jills role in Resident Evil 5, but heres to hoping it doesnt.

[Bertha]

I too am a Jill Valentine fan but probably not the same as alot of people around here from what I can tell. Its actually quite depressing to know that alot of her popularity stems from "Whoa Jill in Resident Evil 3 is hot, shes my new favorite character". Its even more depressing when I see arguements on forums between fans and haters, haters express their understandably valid points and fans go one of two ways. They will also put out valid points or they will post half naked fan-art/hentai that is seemingly supposed to help their cause.

Jill is awesome but not because she is hot, at least in my opinion. I found that she was believable as a female heroine unlike alot of others that were around at her time. People used to tote how amazing Lara Croft was and I honestly could never buy into that hype. Of course this all could change depending on Jills role in Resident Evil 5, but heres to hoping it doesnt.

I like you...but I fear your intelligence may purify the waters! What would happen to this place then?!

[ValentineKnight]

I too am a Jill Valentine fan but probably not the same as alot of people around here from what I can tell. Its actually quite depressing to know that alot of her popularity stems from "Whoa Jill in Resident Evil 3 is hot, shes my new favorite character". Its even more depressing when I see arguements on forums between fans and haters, haters express their understandably valid points and fans go one of two ways. They will also put out valid points or they will post half naked fan-art/hentai that is seemingly supposed to help their cause.

Jill is awesome but not because she is hot, at least in my opinion. I found that she was believable as a female heroine unlike alot of others that were around at her time. People used to tote how amazing Lara Croft was and I honestly could never buy into that hype. Of course this all could change depending on Jills role in Resident Evil 5, but heres to hoping it doesnt.

Hey Jill's been my fave since the first game.:P

[Darinl1979]

Thanks, I think. lol. I have actually viewed these forums for a while but never took the time to register. Reading through this whole Jill Valentine thread I think made it so that I had to say something.

Let me also say on the subject that I think most people are in agreement that while Jill's death would be a downer, it can still be plausible depending on how it is. If it had been true and Capcom killed her off between games and all we got about it was flashbacks explaining what happened, that would of sucked. However if through Resident Evil 5 events she ends up with the same fate, I would be ok with it for the most part.

Of course the way you go about it, Capcom has to be careful. If Jill ends up dying to help Chris/Sheva save the world, thats incredibly cliche and has been done before. If she dies while fighting Chris (She is a boss, fought at least twice) it also ends up being cliche and has been done before. While they would be a stepup from simply dying off screen, I think for the most part people would groan and go "Oh, how unoriginal".

Keep in mind, those viral trailers we've seen of Chris haven't depicted him as having a good life after RE5. I would'nt expect things to go well for him throughout the game. Thats assuming those trailers are canon that is.

[ValentineKnight]

I hear ya but I hope Jill lives...if she doesn't though maybe they'll bring Rebecca back?(she's my second fave lol)I mean compared to the others Beck's one of the mains who doesn't get much exposure.

[Darinl1979]

Not to derail this into a discussion about Rebecca, but I don't think she was ever meant to go beyond anything from Resident Evil 1. Her field speciality was Pharmaceuticals I think so she never struck me as someone who would want to keep pushing the fight against Umbrella. Chances are she hid away from it after the events of Raccoon City.

I wouldn't mind finding out what she has been up to, along with Barry and Carlos since we really haven't heard anything after Resident Evil 3. Them being the main focus in a game? Don't think it would work.

Theres also the possibility that Albert Wesker has already killed them but I find that unlikely. I recall their being a Wesker Report going around somewhere that summed up his agenda after UC. We know of his hatred of Chris, but he also mentioned Jill and the other STARS members. While he dismissed STARS figuring that they didn't know enough since all evidence was basically blown up with Raccoon City, he still had an interest in Jill since she was infected with the T-virus from Nemesis. Nothing ever stemmed from that though, unless we find out about it in RE5.

[Hydra]

Hey guys - I know it's real late news, but I wasn't sure if y'all were ever able to read what was on Jill's 'tombstone.'
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ykb6mf.jpg

All it said was " In Everloving Memory of our Dear JILL VALENTINE 1974 - 2006"

I just remember that no one was able to read it because all the images we ever had were slightly out of focus.

[Daargoth]

does anyone think some deli in America should make the Jill Sandwich? I'd would like to step up to the plate and make such a thing :lol:

[Vector]

does anyone think some deli in America should make the Jill Sandwich? I'd would like to step up to the plate and make such a thing :lol:

Yes. It would include "Blue" Cheese dressing...and "Lockpick" lettuce...and "Buxom" Bologna.
On toasted "STARS" Sourdough bread. ^_^

Jill Sandwich. Bada bing.


or they will post half naked fan-art/hentai

Hmm...that wasn't by any chance directed at me, now was it?

[missvalentine]

I too am a Jill Valentine fan but probably not the same as alot of people around here from what I can tell. Its actually quite depressing to know that alot of her popularity stems from "Whoa Jill in Resident Evil 3 is hot, shes my new favorite character". Its even more depressing when I see arguements on forums between fans and haters, haters express their understandably valid points and fans go one of two ways. They will also put out valid points or they will post half naked fan-art/hentai that is seemingly supposed to help their cause.

Jill is awesome but not because she is hot, at least in my opinion. I found that she was believable as a female heroine unlike alot of others that were around at her time. People used to tote how amazing Lara Croft was and I honestly could never buy into that hype. Of course this all could change depending on Jills role in Resident Evil 5, but heres to hoping it doesnt.

:D i agree with every word you said, although i don't hate people who like her cause she's hot though, i love Jill for her personality and her character and what she does. ive liked her from the very first game as well, and i think i prefere her STARS outfit over her RE3 outfit anyway.

i love Jill because she's a woman, that can over power men, (Barry, Irving), and will fight for what is right, and will persue justice at all costs, and she can defend for herself, and she's not just a helpless damsel in distress. she proves woman can be hereos too, and she's my hero, which is probably why i tend to talk about her a lot.

i find a woman to be attractive not becuase of what they wear on the outside, but what's on the inside, i love Jill because she's smart, and she can think quickly in a dangerous situation, and many other things, i find how a woman cunducts herself to be more attractive that what she wears or what she looks like.

i was never into Lara Croft either, i like Jill much better, but i think some people just think i like her cause she's hot, which is competely untrue. if that was true i would be talking about Ada a lot more, she's sexy, but i find almost nothing attractive about her. no offence ot Ada fans, i don't hate her, i like Ada, but she's just not a girl i would love.

i like Claire because she's motherly (and has red hair :D), i like Jill because she proves that woman are not weak. and i like Rebecca because even though she was just a rookie school girl and all innocent, she can still survive a zombie apocalypse when most of the guys in her team die.

[Darinl1979]

Hmm...that wasn't by any chance directed at me, now was it?

No, it wasn't. Sorry if it came off that way but for the most part everyone here seems pretty decent..hence why I took the time to register. I was refering to other forums I visit where its just ridiculous. Now I admit Jill is an attractive video game lady but I wouldn't put that as her best quality..fictional as she may be.

I tried debating her character as one of the few female characters that comes off as believable...and a handful of retards agreed basing their thoughts on the fact of how hot she looked in RE3 and then posted a disturbing picture involving Jill and what I can only assume was a tentacle from Nemesis.


:D i agree with every word you said, although i don't hate people who like her cause she's hot though, i love Jill for her personality and her character and what she does. ive liked her from the very first game as well, and i think i prefere her STARS outfit over her RE3 outfit anyway.

i love Jill because she's a woman, that can over power men, (Barry, Irving), and will fight for what is right, and will persue justice at all costs, and she can defend for herself, and she's not just a helpless damsel in distress. she proves woman can be hereos too, and she's my hero, which is probably why i tend to talk about her a lot.

i find a woman to be attractive not becuase of what they wear on the outside, but what's on the inside, i love Jill because she's smart, and she can think quickly in a dangerous situation, and many other things, i find how a woman cunducts herself to be more attractive that what she wears or what she looks like.

i was never into Lara Croft either, i like Jill much better, but i think some people just think i like her cause she's hot, which is competely untrue. if that was true i would be talking about Ada a lot more, she's sexy, but i find almost nothing attractive about her. no offence ot Ada fans, i don't hate her, i like Ada, but she's just not a girl i would love.

i like Claire because she's motherly (and has red hair :D), i like Jill because she proves that woman are not weak. and i like Rebecca because even though she was just a rookie school girl and all innocent, she can still survive a zombie apocalypse when most of the guys in her team die.

This may be what I like Resident Evil more so then other games. If you look at Resident Evil female characters, almost all of them come off as strong yet believable...regardless which side they are on. I don't think any of the women come off as weaker then any of the men and they do this without having to exploit them sexually like alot of games/tv shows would.

I don't know if anyone knows who Joss Whedon is, or maybe if anyone is familiar with the Buffy the Vampire Slayer tv series but one of the main reasons why I enjoy Whedons work is that alot of his focus is on making believable female character leads who while they can kick ass , also show their own mortality in any given situation or at any given time. For the most part Resident Evil has shown us this in its characters too.

[missvalentine]

No, it wasn't. Sorry if it came off that way but for the most part everyone here seems pretty decent..hence why I took the time to register. I was refering to other forums I visit where its just ridiculous. Now I admit Jill is an attractive video game lady but I wouldn't put that as her best quality..fictional as she may be.

I tried debating her character as one of the few female characters that comes off as believable...and a handful of retards agreed basing their thoughts on the fact of how hot she looked in RE3 and then posted a disturbing picture involving Jill and what I can only assume was a tentacle from Nemesis.

:o how can you agrue that a character is believable because there hot? why don't they go play Dead of Alive beach volleyball or something if all they want is breasts.

all the RE female leads are much more than that, except maybe Ada.

like for example, one of the things i loved most about Claire in Degeneration was when she was looking after the little girl, and when she got scared, Claire hugged her. and when the senator was bad mouthing children, Claire slapped him hard in the face. :lol: and Claire only pulled out her moves when Rani's life was in peril. i love Claire because she's so caring an motherly. and that's an atractive quality in a woman, fictional or not.



This may be what I like Resident Evil more so then other games. If you look at Resident Evil female characters, almost all of them come off as strong yet believable...regardless which side they are on. I don't think any of the women come off as weaker then any of the men and they do this without having to exploit them sexually like alot of games/tv shows would.

I don't know if anyone knows who Joss Whedon is, or maybe if anyone is familiar with the Buffy the Vampire Slayer tv series but one of the main reasons why I enjoy Whedons work is that alot of his focus is on making believable female character leads who while they can kick ass , also show their own mortality in any given situation or at any given time. For the most part Resident Evil has shown us this in its characters too.

i agree here, i love how the classic RE made it's characters lovable and attractive without flashing breasts on the screen, though i admit, Jill's RE3 uniform was close to that, but i do love mini skirts abd tube tops occasionally. :P but i really do not like how they made Jill in UC, with the zombie upskirt thing, it's just disrespectful, and just trying to make her sexy. :(

[nemesiswontdie]

. but i really do not like how they made Jill in UC, with the zombie upskirt thing, it's just disrespectful, and just trying to make her sexy. :(

yha i actually thought that, that wasnt cool at all

for some reason i had a feeling someone was going to bring that up.

[ThWorldGreatest]

i really do not like how they made Jill in UC, with the zombie upskirt thing, it's just disrespectful, and just trying to make her sexy. :(
dude that was one of the major reasons i bought the game :waga waga , on the topic i love Jill cause she seems to be the only female in the series that is balanced, everyone else seem to be screwed up in one way or another (aka the kid looking Rebbecca).

[P Anderson DIE]

You guys are brave posting on Jill Valentine, I'm done posting here according to some of the owners of this site if you make a post and mention Jill your automatically obsessed with her. If you like Jill Valentine you are not a fan of Resident Evil. These arent my words just what I have gathered from certain members of this forum. You can like and make posts on Wesker, Chris, Nicholai whoever but the second you speak on Jill you are an obssesed pervert. To hell with this im sick of being treated like crap by some of this forums owners.

[Darkmoon]

No one cares about Jill fans. The Jill fanatics, the ones who scream she might not be in the game, that she might be in the game but evil, that she might have something else they won't like and will leave if Capcom doesn't portray her perfectly are the ones we have an issue with.

The ones who bring her up in every fucking topic I read, it seems, regardless of whether she has any actual place in the conversation or not.

Darinl is a good example of the Jill fan, the kind that likes the character but isn't going on a killing spree if she dies. That's fine.

But hey, you wanna leave then feel free. No one's gonna stop you.

[ValentineKnight]

I like Jill,Clare and Rebecca So I'm not just a Jill fan(I was just scared she'd get the woman in the fridge treatment or Chris would go all emo cause of it which would've annoyed the hell outta me >_< )

[P Anderson DIE]

Im nowhere near a Jill fanatic but I'm just saying who are you guys to tell anyone what they can and cant say on here. When I joined this topic it didnt say you cant talk about one character in all your posts. I hardly ever talk about Jill I speak about what topic Im in.

But yesterday I said "Whoever Birdlady is, is a bad ass" then not gonna mention any names, but someone went on a obssesed with Jill rant, Birdlady may not even be Jill could be anyone. To be honest it really pissed me off. So before you go bumping your lips at me again make sure you read my posts carefully yeah. I hardly think what i said is obsession. Said my piece now starting to lose my paitence now though and next time I might not put it so lightly. I dont even know why Im doing this but someone has to stick up for the Jill fanatics wether you like them or not what you are doing is bullying and I fucking hate that. I've seen alot worst posts on here than what the Jill fanatics say so does that make it ok for me to tell those people they talking shit??

[Darkmoon]

Look, I can't remember what you wrote. I'm busy throwing up and shitting my guts out so, honestly, I can care less. If you folks wanna talk about Jill? I could care less. Do I wanna see it spreading across most of the forum and into sections, topics and areas it has no place in? No. Welcome to the world of Off Topic.

Now, from what I recall yesterday the only time someone has a go at Jill fanatics was when folks starting bitching that she was in the game but not how they wanted her. That she might be evil or the like. Which is fine, except many of those same people have been bitching about how she might not be there.

You think someone is being too nasty, or going too far off topic? Hit the report button. Because, honestly, I have very little patience for this kinda moaning today. You wanna continue this little discusion, then PM me. Otherwise this topic is for talking about Jill...not about how annoying/awesome/whatever her fans are.

[P Anderson DIE]

If you dont give a shit then why reply, your post just backs up that the mod's can talk to anyone like shit. If you dont give a shit then dont be a mod, and dont speak to me like that again.

[ValentineKnight]

oh damn enough already sheesh...

on topic: Anyone else think "Masters of Removing" refers to Jill?

[Jill's Boob]

according to some of the owners of this site if you make a post and mention Jill your automatically obsessed with her. If you like Jill Valentine you are not a fan of Resident Evil. These arent my words just what I have gathered from certain members of this forum. You can like and make posts on Wesker, Chris, Nicholai whoever but the second you speak on Jill you are an obssesed pervert. To hell with this im sick of being treated like crap by some of this forums owners.


Im nowhere near a Jill fanatic but I'm just saying who are you guys to tell anyone what they can and cant say on here. When I joined this topic it didnt say you cant talk about one character in all your posts. I hardly ever talk about Jill I speak about what topic Im in.

But yesterday I said "Whoever Birdlady is, is a bad ass" then not gonna mention any names, but someone went on a obssesed with Jill rant, Birdlady may not even be Jill could be anyone. To be honest it really pissed me off. So before you go bumping your lips at me again make sure you read my posts carefully yeah. I hardly think what i said is obsession. Said my piece now starting to lose my paitence now though and next time I might not put it so lightly. I dont even know why Im doing this but someone has to stick up for the Jill fanatics wether you like them or not what you are doing is bullying and I fucking hate that. I've seen alot worst posts on here than what the Jill fanatics say so does that make it ok for me to tell those people they talking shit??

What is your problem, pal? You're acting like a 3 year old throwing a hissy fit. First you talk badly about the "owners of the site" and then threaten to leave the site.

Then you get riled up and talk trash to Darkmoon, who is just doing his job as moderator. The guy let you off easy, especially after your livid rant about bullying (which seems to be what you are doing).

You have an anger issue that you need to deal with. This is just an internet message board.

As for someone addressing you as being obsessed after your comment yesterday about "Birdlady being awesome" (which you made in the thread concerning the new RE5 trailer), I saw no one actually address what you said after that post. It wasn't until you made an unnecessary comment about people "obsessing over other posters" that you were labeled as being hostile. So it looks like you were wrong in that instance, and perhaps you should take your own advice and read posts more closely.

You seriously have an anger management problem. You need to clam down.

As for Jill fanatics - they have been given a proper outlet to discuss Jill to great lengths. This thread alone spans 34 pages. I don't think another thread on this site even comes close.

And apparently the Jill fanatics have caused quite a stir if it has become apparent to many others. The "Los Jilluminados" are tainting this website when they bring her up in every other topic, just as Darkmoon (and others) mentioned.


If you dont give a shit then why reply, your post just backs up that the mod's can talk to anyone like shit. If you dont give a shit then dont be a mod, and dont speak to me like that again.

Seriously - what is your problem?

[Jill's Boob]

oh damn enough already sheesh...

on topic: Anyone else think "Masters of Removing" refers to Jill?

Yes, it does look that way.

"Masters of Unlocking" = "Masters of Removing"

A nice reference.

[ValentineKnight]

^ ^ I didn't think it was THAT BAD...

and Boob that's what I thought too

[Darkmoon]

Anderson, check your inbox. I will not have this thread going any futher off topic so I'm taking it to the PM. And no. No one else reply in a whinging tone, against Anderson, for him, whatever. If it's not on topic I delete it and slap you with an infraction for spam. My patience is thin, kiddies.

On topic...yeah, I think the master of removing is about Jill. I hope it is, anyway. It suggests mutliple endings, something we haven't seen for a while. and I like that. They taste like butterscotch.

[ValentineKnight]

that and the trailers makes me think Jill's either being cloned, a BOW or Bird Lady.

[Darkmoon]

Clones are an unfortunate possiblity. Every time Capcom takes elements from those movies a little more of me dies inside. She may well also be Birdlady (it wasn't exacly subtly hinted at during the last trailer) or a B.O.W. Maybe both. She certainly isn't moving like a normal person during the scenes with Birdlady, but then again it wouldn't be a shock if she'd just gone to the Ninja School of Super Awesome with Leon.

[Vector]

On topic...yeah, I think the master of removing is about Jill. I hope it is, anyway. It suggests mutliple endings, something we haven't seen for a while. and I like that. They taste like butterscotch.

No, no, no, no, no...PLEASE, no. One ending, please. One straightforward canon ending.

I hope alternate endings are a thing of the past, really I do, because even though MGS1, my favorite game of all-time has alternate endings, I hate having to do something one specific way to get the canon ending I want. There should be one ending, that's it...especially with this whole Chris and Wesker thing coming to the forefront.

[Darinl1979]

No, no, no, no, no...PLEASE, no. One ending, please. One straightforward canon ending.

I hope alternate endings are a thing of the past, really I do, because even though MGS1, my favorite game of all-time has alternate endings, I hate having to do something one specific way to get the canon ending I want. There should be one ending, that's it...especially with this whole Chris and Wesker thing coming to the forefront.

Well if they kept it simple ala MGS1 then I don't see it being a problem. The way you got the two different endings in that game was rather simple and didnt require changing up anything all that much. However in regards to this I hope they just keep it one way. You either save Jill and she lives or she dies. If they give you the choice or letting her die or killing her or working together to save her...we then have to deal with a bunch of "omgz, which ending is canon" debate.

[Vector]

If they give you the choice or letting her die or killing her or working together to save her...we then have to deal with a bunch of "omgz, which ending is canon" debate.

And that's exactly what I want to avoid. The 3 years between MGS1 and MGS2 were spent more on wondering which ending was real than being excited for the sequel to come out...and I don't want that to happen with my second-favorite series.

[ValentineKnight]

Wasn't that debate mostly about Meryl's fate?If so I could see similarities

[Rakkoon]

I too am a Jill Valentine fan but probably not the same as alot of people around here from what I can tell. Its actually quite depressing to know that alot of her popularity stems from "Whoa Jill in Resident Evil 3 is hot, shes my new favorite character". Its even more depressing when I see arguements on forums between fans and haters, haters express their understandably valid points and fans go one of two ways. They will also put out valid points or they will post half naked fan-art/hentai that is seemingly supposed to help their cause.

Jill is awesome but not because she is hot, at least in my opinion. I found that she was believable as a female heroine unlike alot of others that were around at her time. People used to tote how amazing Lara Croft was and I honestly could never buy into that hype. Of course this all could change depending on Jills role in Resident Evil 5, but heres to hoping it doesnt.

Why do you have to take things so seriously? I mean, 'half naked fanart to help their cause'? 'Valid points'? Come on, I'm a guy, I happen to like Jill's looks more than Chris's. Wow, how weird, huh?

If you seriously think that Jill's 'character' is the sole most important thing about Jill we should be focusing on, well, okay.

Generally, I see Jill as being a product of the right place and the right time. Resident Evil didn't have a really hot character before RE3, where Capcom produced a hot Jill Valentine. The clothes helped, because fans hadn't seen Jill like that before. And the new fans just liked the look, and maybe the contrast between Jill and the zombies. And the character.

I do think Lara Croft is amazing too. Maybe a bit too 'universal', which is why I like Jill more.

[Mr. Spencer]

The "Los Jilluminados" are tainting this website when they bring her up in every other topic, just as Darkmoon (and others) mentioned.

Thank you for propagating that phrase.

[Jill's Boob]

Thank you for propagating that phrase.

Yes sir! I would love nothing more than to propel this term into the world of cyberspace. You truly are a genius for coining the phrase "Los Jilluminados."

I just didn't know if I should have put a copyright symbol next to it, in each instance that I used it... :lol:

[Mr. Spencer]

You flatter me. The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.

Sorry, just wanted an opportunity to shoehorn in a Bond film quotation.

[ValentineKnight]

Wondering something: What would you guys think if Jill became the Alice of the RE games?

[Mr. Spencer]

I'd probably commit a hate crime. Yet another reference to a film series that was going to happen but they never actually made because it would have been terrible.

Why do people keep referring to these things? Remember when people started talking about that "Terminator 3" film? What was that all about?

[ValentineKnight]

Yeah I wouldn't be too fond of the idea myself.But I'd tell myself atleast she aint dead and I can still play as her.

[News Bot]

Wondering something: What would you guys think if Jill became the Alice of the RE games?

I'd write Capcom a very angry letter.

[Jill's Boob]

But turning her into an Alice clone wouldn't be the worst thing that has happened to Jill. The worst thing that ever happened to Jill was taking the plucky, resourceful ex-Delta Force woman from RE1 and placing her in slutty attire (for the benefit of horny young game players who fantasize about digital women) and having her run around Raccoon City.

That is by far the worst crime committed toward Jill Valentine.

What kind of woman with military & law enforcement training would take to the streets (overrun by the living dead), pursued by a deadly killer, in a tube top (with no bra underneath as my profile image confirms) and a miniskirt? She's running around with her flesh exposed to FLESH eating zombies, in a pair of heeled boots. Any sane person would have broken into a sporting goods store or a military vintage store, and put on some appropriate clothing. You know, maybe also added some pockets to carry items?

But hey, lets turn Jill into a slut.

[Archelon]

But turning her into an Alice clone wouldn't be the worst thing that has happened to Jill. The worst thing that ever happened to Jill was taking the plucky, resourceful ex-Delta Force woman from RE1 and placing her in slutty attire (for the benefit of horny young game players who fantasize about digital women) and having her run around Raccoon City.

That is by far the worst crime committed toward Jill Valentine.

What kind of woman with military & law enforcement training would take to the streets (overrun by the living dead), pursued by a deadly killer, in a tube top (with no bra underneath as my profile image confirms) and a miniskirt? She's running around with her flesh exposed to FLESH eating zombies, in a pair of heeled boots. Any sane person would have broken into a sporting goods store or a military vintage store, and put on some appropriate clothing. You know, maybe also added some pockets to carry items?

But hey, lets turn Jill into a slut.

Finally, we agree on something.

[Vector]

The best part is, Capcom's rationale for her "casual" attire was because she was leaving town.

Personally, if I were a woman, I'd wear a tube top and short-ass skirt when I was about to escape a zombie-infested city. ^_^

[JillLovesChris]

I certainly am not surprised now, after seeing the latest trailer, who BMW is now.

[Darinl1979]

Nature of Jill Valentines death has been brought to light. Apparently Capcom is letting select people play the first two chapters (NOT FIRST TWO DEMO LEVELS) complete with story and cutscenes. How Jill "died" is revealed in a flashback.

The only flashback to appear was during Chapter 2 after Chris procures a data disk from a BSAA hummer that Irving was in. He puts the file on to his PDA and a folder opens up revealing the image of the woman in the tube.

Chris's instant reply to the picture was of shock and horror and the only word? "Jill..."

Then the flashback kicked in and Wesker is seen standing in front of the giant window in Spencer's Estate. Spencer is seen on the floor, Chris and Jill both enter the room, Jill is thrown against a door and Chris is picked up by Wesker. The next was a blur but Jill is then thrown through the giant window and seemingly falling to her death with Chris leaning over the hole with arms outstretched and a "NOOOOO" look on his face.

I didnt get to play this, but I have seen posts from people who have included a really detailed version in which I took this from. I have to say that if this is the case, I am actually quite pleased, although it does seem a little too cliche and obvious.

[JillLovesChris]

Nature of Jill Valentines death has been brought to light. Apparently Capcom is letting select people play the first two chapters (NOT FIRST TWO DEMO LEVELS) complete with story and cutscenes. How Jill "died" is revealed in a flashback.

The only flashback to appear was during Chapter 2 after Chris procures a data disk from a BSAA hummer that Irving was in. He puts the file on to his PDA and a folder opens up revealing the image of the woman in the tube.

Chris's instant reply to the picture was of shock and horror and the only word? "Jill..."

Then the flashback kicked in and Wesker is seen standing in front of the giant window in Spencer's Estate. Spencer is seen on the floor, Chris and Jill both enter the room, Jill is thrown against a door and Chris is picked up by Wesker. The next was a blur but Jill is then thrown through the giant window and seemingly falling to her death with Chris leaning over the hole with arms outstretched and a "NOOOOO" look on his face.

I didnt get to play this, but I have seen posts from people who have included a really detailed version in which I took this from. I have to say that if this is the case, I am actually quite pleased, although it does seem a little too cliche and obvious.

Maybe cliche, but certainly ties in to that short scene in the trailer where we see wesker by the window.

I hope though now that, with this new trailer pretty much outlining and confirming long held theories and rumours, that the game itself will have a lot more twists and turns to keep us interested in the next 15 plus chapters as it seems a lot of this spoiler stuff happens in the first three.

[Darinl1979]

Theres still alot to be covered that is still only being speculated on now. The early chapters of the game seem to just set up the story and give you an idea of whats going on. I believe the mission at the start through the first few chapters is just to find Irving. We probably won't deal with anything involving Jill till much much lady, aside from the plague doctor showing up to most likely be a thorn in our side.

[chris redfield]

The best part is, Capcom's rationale for her "casual" attire was because she was leaving town.

Personally, if I were a woman, I'd wear a tube top and short-ass skirt when I was about to escape a zombie-infested city. ^_^

chris redfield29 i agree xD

[nemesiswontdie]

The best part is, Capcom's rationale for her "casual" attire was because she was leaving town.

Personally, if I were a woman, I'd wear a tube top and short-ass skirt when I was about to escape a zombie-infested city. ^_^

i thought she just dressed up like that 2 get outta town faster? ehh im not sure if thats true or not

[P Anderson DIE]

Darinl do you have a link to those detailed walkthroughs? Sounds about right tho.

Quite interesting to I bet she lands in water from a really high drop everyone always asumes thier dead that way but you could always bring them back. If she hits concrete then thats another story.

Nemesis you kinda right about that. Im reading the S.D Perry Nemesis novel now and she says that Jill is dressed that way because its easier for her to move around as she has to cover alot of ground. Theres no denying its for the male fans but is this really the first time a company has used tits and ass to entice us men. I mean turn on the t.v. for christs sake its everywhere.

[Mr_Zombie]

Easier to move around? In a tight mini-skirt? Sure, I'm not a girl and I haven't wore a mini, but I doubt it's more comfortable than a pair of trousers.

[P Anderson DIE]

Hey not my words. S.D. Perry is a girl though and your not so I'll take her side for now.

[chris redfield]

i thought she just dressed up like that 2 get outta town faster? ehh im not sure if thats true or not nemesiswontdie maybe so

[TheSelfishGene]

"She probably wears clothing with alot of skin exposed because the game takes place in September while it's still hot."

Resident Evil Archives page 110.

[Darinl1979]

Darinl do you have a link to those detailed walkthroughs? Sounds about right tho.

Quite interesting to I bet she lands in water from a really high drop everyone always asumes thier dead that way but you could always bring them back. If she hits concrete then thats another story.


Yeah I can post it. Its basically the same as another one that was posted earlier, a little more detail put into it though.

Characters:



Chris Redfield - Nothing new on Chris, other than that the "death" of Jill plagued his mind. He's also worried about being expendable on the part of the BSAA. Him and Sheva are sent after Irving alone after the entire Alpha team is wiped out. He questions this order from the HQ and begins to have doubts about the integrity of the company.



Sheva Alomar - Nothing new on Sheva. She appears to be the little sister of the African branch of BSAA, with Captain Josh Stone teaching her all she knows. They have a friendly relationship.



Reynard Fisher - The guy with the turban. An undercover BSAA Agent but obviously gets killed by the Executioner.



Kirk Mathison - We don't see him much. He dies though as you arrive to the site of his helicopter crash to find him dead.



Dan Dechant - Him and his squad are wiped out by the Leech Zombie. Irving is responsible for this attack.



Josh Stone - Him and his team (Delta Squad) first appear when you meet your first motorcycle Majini. They wipe the crowd out with sniper rifle and there's a Rat Patrol-esque feeling about them. Slow-mo gun shots and all. Again, he's like an older brother to Sheva.



Ricardo Irving - Obviously we know he's a bioweapons dealer and is in Kijuju on business. He's a hilarious guy though by the way he says things and does things. He's got a great taste in cowboy boots as well.



Plague Doctor - We saw her three times. First time is in the VERY first cutscene of the game which is where we see the guy on the floor being infected by one of the leeches. The next time we see her is when Irving is spying on Chris and Sheva after the Alpha team are taken out. She drives Irving away in a jeep. We then see her when she saves Irving with the use of a smoke grenade. She speaks for the first time as well by saying "Hurry" to Irving. Couldn't quite hear in on it though because of the other TVs and people talking. The way she saves Irving is like Ada's rescue of Leon in RE4 where he's about to be killed by Mendez. Zip gun and everything.



Albert Wesker - We see him for the first time in Chapter 2. However, it's in a flashback. I'll delve in to this more later.



Jill Valentine - There is one reference to her and she appears in the flashback scene that Wesker and Chris also appear in. More about her soon.



Ozwell E. Spencer - He is also in the same flashback as Chris, Wesker and Jill. He's laying on the floor during the scene.



Allyson - She appears for 10 seconds and that's her role in the game. I'll delve in to her more next.



Unfortunately no Excella or anyone else.



Enemies:



Male Majini - Regular Majini. They are smarter and appear in bigger crowds in the final version.

Female Majini - Rare but there. I fought around 5 in my entire time I think.

Fat Majini - Massive Majini that only wears shorts. He has no weapons and instead uses his fists. He can run after you but mainly walks because of his size. Takes ages to kill. Fought these about 4 times in my entire time with the game.

Plagas Dog - The first one we came across looked like a Hungarian Viszla but grey. About 4 or them at once usually and they appear with many Majini, including the Fat Majini. Nightmare to kill.

Plagas Dog 2 - This one is a large German Shepard. Even harder to kill but didn't appear to mutate. Only appeared a couple of times.

Flying Plagas - Obviously from the demo. They appear quite often after Shanty Town (where they first appear).

Centipede Plagas - First introduced about 20 minutes in to the game. They are huge, erupting from the necks of the host. They slash out at you and take ages to kill.



Mini Bosses/Bosses:



Executioner - No need for an explanation.

Allyson - Introduces the first Centipede Plagas. She gets infected, Chris "saves" her but then she mutates after you blow her head off. All in the space of 10 seconds. She's just an excuse to introduce more powerful enemies.

Guard - No need for an explanation.

Leech Zombie - Irving is responsible for the first Leech Zombie. One of the dead members of the BSAA Alpha Team get taken over by a mass of leeches and you then have to lure it in to a furnace in order to kill it. Pretty easy and he's slow as well. You can shoot the organs on his body to weaken him.



Environments:



Kijuju Town - A lot of the first chapter takes place here.

Docks - Boats everywhere and you also get cover fire from Kirk.

Train Yard - First meet the dogs.

Mines - First real Survival Horror area as the first part of the area is in complete darkness with only a light providing the only way.



Quick-Time Events:



Only one QTE cutscene was experienced during my time and that was when the Majini on motorcycles first appear.



First part - A motorcyle comes flying off a ramp and the Majini is about to take Sheva out with a chain. You have to hit the button the screen for Chris to knock Sheva out of the way.

Second part - A Majini grabs Chris's leg with a chain and drags him across the dirt. Sheva has to shoot the chain before Chris gets impaled on the helicopter wreck in gory fashion.

Third part - Two Majinis speed towards Chris and Sheva and you have to hit the shoulder buttons to avoid the attack.



*SPOILERS*



Story So Far:



The game starts with the Plague Doctor standing in front of a male who is being consumed by the leech-like entities. We then see Chris drive through the savannah on his way to Kijuju.



The BSAA set up their main camp in Kijuju, with Chris arriving and meeting Sheva.



You then walk with Sheva (or run) through the village with all the villagers doing their own thing. However, you can walk up to them which will initiate a response as they turn around and give you evil looks. However, you continue to move through the village with talking between the two characters occurring. The goal? To head to the butchers and meet Reynard, the guy with the turban. He's an undercover BSAA agent.



He shows you a massive case containing your standard body armor, knives, guns and ammo.



As you proceed through Kijuju, you obviously go through the scenes with the Executioner, Guard etc. However, Chris and Sheva soon see a girl on the upper floor of a building. This is Allyson. She wears a black dress instead of a red one in the final build and then gets taken inside by a villager. Chris and Sheva rush up to her and Allyson jumps on Chris, hugging him. However, she then turns violent and you have to take her out. Her head explodes and out pops the first real Plagas encounter. Other villagers join her in trying to kill you.



Soon after, you come across the Alpha Team seemingly taken out. Black goo is visible everywhere and Dan Dechant tells Chris about a setup, with Irving running away in the foreground.



The leech mass appears and consumes a BSAA agent introducing the first Leech Zombie.



A scene soon occurs where Chris and Sheva arrive at a hummer enclosure. We see a scene or Irving spying on them by camera. He disappears with the Plague Doctor in a jeep whereas Chris and Sheva discover a case with a file in it, on the front seat of one of the hummers.



Later, Chris and Sheva encounter their first motorcycle-riding Majini. The Delta team appear and take them out via sniper fire. We meet Josh Stone, the captain of the team, for the first time. Chris then checks out the file he got earlier on his PDA. Images appear of Jill Valentine in a tube, with a flashback then occurring (CHECK THE FLASHBACK SECTION AFTER THE STORY SO FAR).



With Chris and Sheva's mission to arrest Irving still the priority, they soon encounter him after the mines. After a brief discussion, a smoke grenade is set off and the Plague Doctor bursts through the window before taking Irving away.



TO BE CONTINUED IN THE GAME.



Flashback:



The only flashback to appear was during Chapter 2 after Chris procures a data disk from a BSAA hummer that Irving was in. He puts the file on to his PDA and a folder opens up revealing the image of the woman in the tube.

Chris's instant reply to the picture was of shock and horror and the only word? "Jill..."

Then the flashback kicked in and Wesker is seen standing in front of the giant window in Spencer's Estate. Spencer is seen on the floor, Chris and Jill both enter the room, Jill is thrown against a door and Chris is picked up by Wesker. The next was a blur but Jill is then thrown through the giant window and seemingly falling to her death with Chris leaning over the hole with arms outstretched and a "NOOOOO" look on his face.



*END SPOILERS*

On the subject of Jill's dress attire, yeah I agree with most. It never really seemed like it fit in with how her character would dress but we dont really know. The only character development we really get from the characters of these games is basically them during crisis time and then whatever we read to fill in the blanks of what happened before and between games. Maybe thats just how Capcom felt Jill would of been outside of work. While I have no doubt that alot of it was probably to attract more male attention to the game, it also isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I have seen far more revealing women clothing in games, but again I wouldn't really label Miss Valentine's Last Escape getup as optimal for zombie infested city escaping.

[P Anderson DIE]

At the end of the day its Capcom's choice as to what the characters wear and is it the worst decsion they have ever made? Far from it I thnk theres alot worse clothes they could have put her in maybe it should have been an unlockable costume where as she wore something alittle more protective. But like I said theres worse things wrong with Re so I think we can forgive them for this.

Nice1 Darnil I'll give it a read now.

That was a good read thanks for that Darnil. Had quite abit of details I didnt know. How long does that actually take to get up to the point it finished?

[Darinl1979]

I don't know of the exact time it took to get to that point, as it was based on those who were able to do it over in London. It stops at the end of chapter 2, I don't recall the exact number of chapters in the game.

Well regardless of anyones opinion on dress attire, you do have to admit that Jill's outfit from Resident Evil 3 is one of the most recognizable outfits from any video game.

[Rock it.]

Well regardless of anyones opinion on dress attire, you do have to admit that Jill's outfit from Resident Evil 3 is one of the most recognizable outfits from any video game.

I wouldn't say so. It looked pretty damn run-o'-the-mill back then for me, and it still does. I don't see why people brag about it. Her original STARS outfit in the other hand tho is, for me at least, one of Capcom's finnest designs to date. Also, I'd wager that her STARS outfit is the most popular of the 2, especially after Jill's inclusion on Marvel vs Capcom 2.

[Vector]

Jill's outfit from Resident Evil 3 is one of the most recognizable outfits from any video game.

Along with Mario's plumber outfit and Link's Peter Pan costume.

[Harry Mason]

I agree with Rock it. Jill's R.P.D. uniform is classic and instantly recognizable.

I have always wondered why Jill would wear a mini skirt and a toob top ( I'm not complaining )..but if your going to escape from a city filled with bloodthirsty zombies wouldn't you want to wear some clothes that zombies can't easily bite through? lol

[nemesiswontdie]

Darinl do you have a link to those detailed walkthroughs? Sounds about right tho.

Quite interesting to I bet she lands in water from a really high drop everyone always asumes thier dead that way but you could always bring them back. If she hits concrete then thats another story.

Nemesis you kinda right about that. Im reading the S.D Perry Nemesis novel now and she says that Jill is dressed that way because its easier for her to move around as she has to cover alot of ground. Theres no denying its for the male fans but is this really the first time a company has used tits and ass to entice us men. I mean turn on the t.v. for christs sake its everywhere.



oh ok thats were i read that at, thanks for reminding me

but yha im going with S.D Perry theory cuz she infact is a woman her self.- _-

....at least i think she is.....???:uhh:

[ThWorldGreatest]

The best part is, Capcom's rationale for her "casual" attire was because she was leaving town.

Personally, if I were a woman, I'd wear a tube top and short-ass skirt when I was about to escape a zombie-infested city. ^_^

actually her outfit in RE3 looks like a waitress, was there anything in Jill background about her being a waitress?

[missvalentine]

But turning her into an Alice clone wouldn't be the worst thing that has happened to Jill. The worst thing that ever happened to Jill was taking the plucky, resourceful ex-Delta Force woman from RE1 and placing her in slutty attire (for the benefit of horny young game players who fantasize about digital women) and having her run around Raccoon City.

That is by far the worst crime committed toward Jill Valentine.

What kind of woman with military & law enforcement training would take to the streets (overrun by the living dead), pursued by a deadly killer, in a tube top (with no bra underneath as my profile image confirms) and a miniskirt? She's running around with her flesh exposed to FLESH eating zombies, in a pair of heeled boots. Any sane person would have broken into a sporting goods store or a military vintage store, and put on some appropriate clothing. You know, maybe also added some pockets to carry items?

But hey, lets turn Jill into a slut.

Alice clone is much worse.

Jill's RE3 outfit isn't to bad, although i prefere her STARS uniform myself. it makes her looks smarter.

but do you really thing wearing jeans is gonna be so much protection agains't a zombie bite? it doesn't matter what she wears, you get bit, you die, that's that. and wearing a skirt is gonna give her a lot more mobility and agility(hence the dodging in RE3), and her lack of clothing and pockets would make her lighter and faster.

i didn't think her RE3 outfit was that bad, it wasn't exactly the most revealing outfit ever made, and it was hot, even the movie said there had been a heatwave, and it would have been hot around that time. so she's gonna be wearing clothes like that so she can cool down.


Nature of Jill Valentines death has been brought to light. Apparently Capcom is letting select people play the first two chapters (NOT FIRST TWO DEMO LEVELS) complete with story and cutscenes. How Jill "died" is revealed in a flashback.

The only flashback to appear was during Chapter 2 after Chris procures a data disk from a BSAA hummer that Irving was in. He puts the file on to his PDA and a folder opens up revealing the image of the woman in the tube.

Chris's instant reply to the picture was of shock and horror and the only word? "Jill..."

Then the flashback kicked in and Wesker is seen standing in front of the giant window in Spencer's Estate. Spencer is seen on the floor, Chris and Jill both enter the room, Jill is thrown against a door and Chris is picked up by Wesker. The next was a blur but Jill is then thrown through the giant window and seemingly falling to her death with Chris leaning over the hole with arms outstretched and a "NOOOOO" look on his face.

I didnt get to play this, but I have seen posts from people who have included a really detailed version in which I took this from. I have to say that if this is the case, I am actually quite pleased, although it does seem a little too cliche and obvious.

so that's it? she falls out of a window? *facepalm* that is such a huge cliche, any character "dieing" that way is always alive no matter what, and why onearth is capcom letting people play the game? if they have something like that in the beginning, what wil they out at the end? this is to predictable.



oh ok thats were i read that at, thanks for reminding me

but yha im going with S.D Perry theory cuz she infact is a woman her self.- _-

....at least i think she is.....???:uhh:

Yeah S.D Perry is a girl.

[nemesiswontdie]

yes i no S.D Perry is a girl i was goofing around

[Vector]

actually her outfit in RE3 looks like a waitress

...a waitress? What the hell kind of restaurants do you go to?

Her outfit in RE3 makes the waitresses at Hooters look downright elegant.

[missvalentine]

actually her outfit in RE3 looks like a waitress, was there anything in Jill background about her being a waitress?

you know her Police mini skirt outfit kinda looks like that too. maybe when Jill was in high school she had a part time job as a waitress, it's plausable.

[nemesiswontdie]

you know her Police mini skirt outfit kinda looks like that too. maybe when Jill was in high school she had a part time job as a waitress, it's plausable.

lol she probly was a waitress for that diner, claire walked into at the beginning of re2

[missvalentine]

lol she probly was a waitress for that diner, claire walked into at the beginning of re2

or the resteraunt we see in RE3, she did know her way around in there, like the celler underneath and how to open it and everything.

[Darkmoon]

Honestly, I think there are a lot of outfits could have chosen that would make more sense. Her S.T.A.R.S uniform for one. At the end of the day it was simply an excuse to make Jill look like she was a street walker and I'm one of these wierd ass guys who likes things to make sense rather than, you know, having a pair of jublees waved in my face until I forget.

There really isn't an excuse for wearing so little clothing. It may be warm...but in case of zombie invasion you've got better things to think about than sweaty pits. It may allow you to be mobile but so do plenty of other clothes. Denim may not be much protection against bites and scratches...but hell, it's better than bare flesh.

[Vector]

End of September, beginning of autumn? Something tells me it wasn't all that warm.

[nemesiswontdie]

or the resteraunt we see in RE3, she did know her way around in there, like the celler underneath and how to open it and everything.

ahh true she did, wat was the name of that diner? Grill 13? but im pretty sure we'll never know of her child hood

[ThWorldGreatest]

...a waitress? What the hell kind of restaurants do you go to?

the ..kind.. that.. has..girls , anyway it's because waitresses tend to have the habit of tying their shirts to their waists, i had a roommate before that used to do that a lot.

lol she probly was a waitress for that diner, claire walked into at the beginning of re2
that could be it :).

[missvalentine]

Honestly, I think there are a lot of outfits could have chosen that would make more sense. Her S.T.A.R.S uniform for one. At the end of the day it was simply an excuse to make Jill look like she was a street walker and I'm one of these wierd ass guys who likes things to make sense rather than, you know, having a pair of jublees waved in my face until I forget.

There really isn't an excuse for wearing so little clothing. It may be warm...but in case of zombie invasion you've got better things to think about than sweaty pits. It may allow you to be mobile but so do plenty of other clothes. Denim may not be much protection against bites and scratches...but hell, it's better than bare flesh.

you have a point, but the UBCS mercs where wearing flak jacket and all that jazz, didn't help them much though did it.

and i do like things to make sense as well, but i tend to make my own canon up or just assume things, like, it must of been hot.

[Vector]

I just don't get how people are still trying to rationalize/defend her outfit:
A tubetop, a mini-skirt and hooker boots.

It was purely fan-service, nothing else.

[nemesiswontdie]

I just don't get how people are still trying to rationalize/defend her outfit:
A tubetop, a mini-skirt and hooker boots.

It was purely fan-service, nothing else.

ehh, ur probly rite, but i dont care, i usually make her wear the regina or disco outfit n e way

[Darkmoon]

you have a point, but the UBCS mercs where wearing flak jacket and all that jazz, didn't help them much though did it.

and i do like things to make sense as well, but i tend to make my own canon up or just assume things, like, it must of been hot.

No, it didn't. The UBCS didn't have first hand experience though, and used standard equipment. Now, if there limbs and throats were armoured...that might have helped them.

Of course, her lack of clothes didn't help Jill from avoiding the tentacle penetration of Nemesis either...

[ThWorldGreatest]

I just don't get how people are still trying to rationalize/defend her outfit:
A tubetop, a mini-skirt and hooker boots.

It was purely fan-service, nothing else.

her outfit was slutty alright but im just wondering if she was a waitress or not, im pretty interested in what she did before the events of RE3.

[nemesiswontdie]

No, it didn't. The UBCS didn't have first hand experience though, and used standard equipment. Now, if there limbs and throats were armoured...that might have helped them.

Of course, her lack of clothes didn't help Jill from avoiding the tentacle penetration of Nemesis either...

true but she still made it out alive.

[Darkmoon]

Not, however, through her own efforts. Her outfit didn't help her any with it's extra mobility.

[nemesiswontdie]

Not, however, through her own efforts. Her outfit didn't help her any with it's extra mobility.

true true, u got me there

[missvalentine]

ehh, ur probly rite, but i dont care, i usually make her wear the regina or disco outfit n e way

:lol: i make her wear the Police mini skirt or her normal clothes most of the time. ^_^


No, it didn't. The UBCS didn't have first hand experience though, and used standard equipment. Now, if there limbs and throats were armoured...that might have helped them.

Of course, her lack of clothes didn't help Jill from avoiding the tentacle penetration of Nemesis either...

throat armor? does it even exist? :P well yes it would have helped, but i don't know where Jill could have found any Knights armor suits just laying around in Raccoon City. unless she went to a museum or something, that would have been cool.


her outfit was slutty alright but im just wondering if she was a waitress or not, im pretty interested in what she did before the events of RE3.

compared to stuff i see 13 year old Girls at school and the mall wearing, i would not call that slutty attire. but i admit, it was maybe to revealing, though it doesn't bother me.

and yes, i would love to know a full detailed history of all the characters backstory. that would be awesome.

[nemesiswontdie]

i wouldn't mind a back story of jills, not the s.d perry crap were she used 2 steal with her dad.

[Petronio]

Yeah I can post it. Its basically the same as another one that was posted earlier, a little more detail put into it though.

Characters:



Chris Redfield - Nothing new on Chris, other than that the "death" of Jill plagued his mind. He's also worried about being expendable on the part of the BSAA. Him and Sheva are sent after Irving alone after the entire Alpha team is wiped out. He questions this order from the HQ and begins to have doubts about the integrity of the company.



Sheva Alomar - Nothing new on Sheva. She appears to be the little sister of the African branch of BSAA, with Captain Josh Stone teaching her all she knows. They have a friendly relationship.



Reynard Fisher - The guy with the turban. An undercover BSAA Agent but obviously gets killed by the Executioner.



Kirk Mathison - We don't see him much. He dies though as you arrive to the site of his helicopter crash to find him dead.



Dan Dechant - Him and his squad are wiped out by the Leech Zombie. Irving is responsible for this attack.



Josh Stone - Him and his team (Delta Squad) first appear when you meet your first motorcycle Majini. They wipe the crowd out with sniper rifle and there's a Rat Patrol-esque feeling about them. Slow-mo gun shots and all. Again, he's like an older brother to Sheva.



Ricardo Irving - Obviously we know he's a bioweapons dealer and is in Kijuju on business. He's a hilarious guy though by the way he says things and does things. He's got a great taste in cowboy boots as well.



Plague Doctor - We saw her three times. First time is in the VERY first cutscene of the game which is where we see the guy on the floor being infected by one of the leeches. The next time we see her is when Irving is spying on Chris and Sheva after the Alpha team are taken out. She drives Irving away in a jeep. We then see her when she saves Irving with the use of a smoke grenade. She speaks for the first time as well by saying "Hurry" to Irving. Couldn't quite hear in on it though because of the other TVs and people talking. The way she saves Irving is like Ada's rescue of Leon in RE4 where he's about to be killed by Mendez. Zip gun and everything.



Albert Wesker - We see him for the first time in Chapter 2. However, it's in a flashback. I'll delve in to this more later.



Jill Valentine - There is one reference to her and she appears in the flashback scene that Wesker and Chris also appear in. More about her soon.



Ozwell E. Spencer - He is also in the same flashback as Chris, Wesker and Jill. He's laying on the floor during the scene.



Allyson - She appears for 10 seconds and that's her role in the game. I'll delve in to her more next.



Unfortunately no Excella or anyone else.



Enemies:



Male Majini - Regular Majini. They are smarter and appear in bigger crowds in the final version.

Female Majini - Rare but there. I fought around 5 in my entire time I think.

Fat Majini - Massive Majini that only wears shorts. He has no weapons and instead uses his fists. He can run after you but mainly walks because of his size. Takes ages to kill. Fought these about 4 times in my entire time with the game.

Plagas Dog - The first one we came across looked like a Hungarian Viszla but grey. About 4 or them at once usually and they appear with many Majini, including the Fat Majini. Nightmare to kill.

Plagas Dog 2 - This one is a large German Shepard. Even harder to kill but didn't appear to mutate. Only appeared a couple of times.

Flying Plagas - Obviously from the demo. They appear quite often after Shanty Town (where they first appear).

Centipede Plagas - First introduced about 20 minutes in to the game. They are huge, erupting from the necks of the host. They slash out at you and take ages to kill.



Mini Bosses/Bosses:



Executioner - No need for an explanation.

Allyson - Introduces the first Centipede Plagas. She gets infected, Chris "saves" her but then she mutates after you blow her head off. All in the space of 10 seconds. She's just an excuse to introduce more powerful enemies.

Guard - No need for an explanation.

Leech Zombie - Irving is responsible for the first Leech Zombie. One of the dead members of the BSAA Alpha Team get taken over by a mass of leeches and you then have to lure it in to a furnace in order to kill it. Pretty easy and he's slow as well. You can shoot the organs on his body to weaken him.



Environments:



Kijuju Town - A lot of the first chapter takes place here.

Docks - Boats everywhere and you also get cover fire from Kirk.

Train Yard - First meet the dogs.

Mines - First real Survival Horror area as the first part of the area is in complete darkness with only a light providing the only way.



Quick-Time Events:



Only one QTE cutscene was experienced during my time and that was when the Majini on motorcycles first appear.



First part - A motorcyle comes flying off a ramp and the Majini is about to take Sheva out with a chain. You have to hit the button the screen for Chris to knock Sheva out of the way.

Second part - A Majini grabs Chris's leg with a chain and drags him across the dirt. Sheva has to shoot the chain before Chris gets impaled on the helicopter wreck in gory fashion.

Third part - Two Majinis speed towards Chris and Sheva and you have to hit the shoulder buttons to avoid the attack.



*SPOILERS*



Story So Far:



The game starts with the Plague Doctor standing in front of a male who is being consumed by the leech-like entities. We then see Chris drive through the savannah on his way to Kijuju.



The BSAA set up their main camp in Kijuju, with Chris arriving and meeting Sheva.



You then walk with Sheva (or run) through the village with all the villagers doing their own thing. However, you can walk up to them which will initiate a response as they turn around and give you evil looks. However, you continue to move through the village with talking between the two characters occurring. The goal? To head to the butchers and meet Reynard, the guy with the turban. He's an undercover BSAA agent.



He shows you a massive case containing your standard body armor, knives, guns and ammo.



As you proceed through Kijuju, you obviously go through the scenes with the Executioner, Guard etc. However, Chris and Sheva soon see a girl on the upper floor of a building. This is Allyson. She wears a black dress instead of a red one in the final build and then gets taken inside by a villager. Chris and Sheva rush up to her and Allyson jumps on Chris, hugging him. However, she then turns violent and you have to take her out. Her head explodes and out pops the first real Plagas encounter. Other villagers join her in trying to kill you.



Soon after, you come across the Alpha Team seemingly taken out. Black goo is visible everywhere and Dan Dechant tells Chris about a setup, with Irving running away in the foreground.



The leech mass appears and consumes a BSAA agent introducing the first Leech Zombie.



A scene soon occurs where Chris and Sheva arrive at a hummer enclosure. We see a scene or Irving spying on them by camera. He disappears with the Plague Doctor in a jeep whereas Chris and Sheva discover a case with a file in it, on the front seat of one of the hummers.



Later, Chris and Sheva encounter their first motorcycle-riding Majini. The Delta team appear and take them out via sniper fire. We meet Josh Stone, the captain of the team, for the first time. Chris then checks out the file he got earlier on his PDA. Images appear of Jill Valentine in a tube, with a flashback then occurring (CHECK THE FLASHBACK SECTION AFTER THE STORY SO FAR).



With Chris and Sheva's mission to arrest Irving still the priority, they soon encounter him after the mines. After a brief discussion, a smoke grenade is set off and the Plague Doctor bursts through the window before taking Irving away.



TO BE CONTINUED IN THE GAME.



Flashback:



The only flashback to appear was during Chapter 2 after Chris procures a data disk from a BSAA hummer that Irving was in. He puts the file on to his PDA and a folder opens up revealing the image of the woman in the tube.

Chris's instant reply to the picture was of shock and horror and the only word? "Jill..."

Then the flashback kicked in and Wesker is seen standing in front of the giant window in Spencer's Estate. Spencer is seen on the floor, Chris and Jill both enter the room, Jill is thrown against a door and Chris is picked up by Wesker. The next was a blur but Jill is then thrown through the giant window and seemingly falling to her death with Chris leaning over the hole with arms outstretched and a "NOOOOO" look on his face.



*END SPOILERS*



Can I ask you the link to the webpage you took this spoiler from? is it from gamefaq? I would like to ask the guy who wrote thess spoilers if there is sea under the building.

[Darkmoon]

throat armor? does it even exist? well yes it would have helped, but i don't know where Jill could have found any Knights armor suits just laying around in Raccoon City. unless she went to a museum or something, that would have been cool.

Yeah, such things exist. There are various kinda kevlar plates that various police forces use, including ones to protect the limbs and throats. Oddly enough there mainly made for dealing with animals, such as dogs, which...you guessed it...mainly go for the limbs and throat.

Metal armour would be too heavy, but the UBCS should have been equiped with stuff like this. If anyone should have some idea of the gear needed to deal with zombies...then again, they were pretty much lambs led to slaughter.

[missvalentine]

i wouldn't mind a back story of jills, not the s.d perry crap were she used 2 steal with her dad.

if one was ever made, i would buy it certainly.


Yeah, such things exist. There are various kinda kevlar plates that various police forces use, including ones to protect the limbs and throats. Oddly enough there mainly made for dealing with animals, such as dogs, which...you guessed it...mainly go for the limbs and throat.

Metal armour would be too heavy, but the UBCS should have been equiped with stuff like this. If anyone should have some idea of the gear needed to deal with zombies...then again, they were pretty much lambs led to slaughter.

interesting, thanks Darkmoon for the information, i never knew that. i guess capcom didn't either, or umbrella just didn't care about there employee's enough, which is more likely. hmm.. what about HUNKS team, they were probably more valued by umbrella, i don't think they were wearing any neck or limb armor either, or not much, and i do remember seeing zombies USFU soldiers in Outbreak.

maybe in RE5 the BSAA will be equiped with this stuff.

[Darkmoon]

Hunks team weren't supposed to be facing zombies. There was no outbreak when they went in. Hence why they got standard special forces gear I guess. And the UBCS were sacraficed as test data, hence why they got standard equipment...it's what a normal military force would be using, at least to start with.

[Biokk]

Must say I'm excited about seeing "next gen" Jill in the aforementioned flashback... :)