The Central "Jill Valentine" Discussion Topic

[JillLovesChris]

Aw maaaan.

"Jill Valentine Super Happy Fun Time" would've rocked.

On a less serious note:

The Bravo special in the UK, which I'm sure the members here from the UK have seen, showed the flashback fight scene with Wesker/Jill/Chris. Apparently Jill saves Chris by tackling Wesker out of the way (and out a window).

That kind of sacrifice is just pure love ;_;

Jill rules, and the C/J fangirl within me is weeping. RE5 had better leave Chris and Jill off on great terms, and they'd better have an emotional reunion. After that, they HAVE TO. Especially if this game is the end all for the Wesker/Jill/Chris storyline.

If that is true then perhaps this hints again at BMW aka Jill helping Chris and Sheva out behind the scenes without even Wesker and Excella knowing about it.

[Darinl1979]

If that is true then perhaps this hints again at BMW aka Jill helping Chris and Sheva out behind the scenes without even Wesker and Excella knowing about it.

I would of thought that as well, but...

Why would she fight Chris if she was trying to help him?

[blaze]

I would of thought that as well, but...

Why would she fight Chris if she was trying to help him?

Yeah. I think it'll only be after she's defeated as a boss that she'll be back to her old self... so maybe she assists them towards the end, during the last fight with Wesker. The enemy spoiler list from the hacked demo indicates you only fight Jill twice, and Wesker three times. Unless you fight Wesker once before meeting Jill, there's a possibility she'll assist towards the end.

Then again, she might have amnesia and not remember anything about her time as Bird Lady... ah, well we'll find out soon enough.

But I doubt she works with Chris and Sheva at all while she's Bird Lady.

[missvalentine]

Aw maaaan.

"Jill Valentine Super Happy Fun Time" would've rocked.

On a less serious note:

The Bravo special in the UK, which I'm sure the members here from the UK have seen, showed the flashback fight scene with Wesker/Jill/Chris. Apparently Jill saves Chris by tackling Wesker out of the way (and out a window).

That kind of sacrifice is just pure love ;_;

Jill rules, and the C/J fangirl within me is weeping. RE5 had better leave Chris and Jill off on great terms, and they'd better have an emotional reunion. After that, they HAVE TO. Especially if this game is the end all for the Wesker/Jill/Chris storyline.

oh i agree, i want a Jill Valentine super happy fun time featuring resident Evil game right now, stuff RE5, who needs it, I WANT JILL VALENTINE!!! :'(

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kidding

or am i...?

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i am

anyways...

if what you said turns out to be true, i think id be ok with that, after seeing the end of MGS3 recently, i really love the emotional ending that makes you cry. and i think Jill sacraficing herself to save Chris and taking out Wesker would be the most epic way to end her character. and even more epic to bring her back later. she cant stay dead, she's Jill Valentine.



I heard Capcom was going to:
Scrap RE5 two weeks before its release and create a new game called "JILL VALENTINE SUPER HAPPY FUN TIME featuring Resident Evil." The entire plot will revolve around Jill.

I'm pretty upset since this is exactly what happened to RE3.5 so late in its development. The RE curse strikes again! >_<

:o really? OMG awesome!!! ill buy it at a high price! Jill game >> RE5 :P

yeah it sucked RE4 turned about be "the adventures of a one liner spewing emo featuring Leon S Kennedy from some zombie game we at capcom no longer care about."

[Zimdictive]

Blah, blah, blah. I wasn't reading into all the spoiler tags but, in RE, death doesn't kill people (remember Ada's little trip down the lab shaft thing in number two, or say, Wesker's encounter with a massive F-ing explosion in one?). Falling out a window might give her a few scratches, though doubtful.

There are no damage or blood maps on the skins and models, annoyingly. And, I doubt any reliable info would be given away in some random Q&A so close to release. All staff will be under NDAs. Giving away story-breaking facts like that would make you, um, screwed. Loss of job screwed. Unless it came from the top, but that is unlikely because so much secrecy has shrouded the whole project.

[nemesiswontdie]

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[missvalentine]

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:lol: 90% of the spoilers are fake anyways, like the Jill Valentine super happy fun time game featuring Resident Evil Spoiler. XD!!

[nemesiswontdie]

:lol: 90% of the spoilers are fake anyways, like the Jill Valentine super happy fun time game featuring Resident Evil Spoiler. XD!!

oh lol i wouldn't no, i dont click on spoiler tags

[Darinl1979]

oh lol i wouldn't no, i dont click on spoiler tags

Huge spoiler regarding Jill Valentine and Nemesiswontdie:

Nemesiswontdie is riding a unicorn in his avatar that he stole from Jill

[missvalentine]

Huge spoiler regarding Jill Valentine and Nemesiswontdie:

Nemesiswontdie is riding a unicorn in his avatar that he stole from Jill

Oh my God!!!

you give Jill back her Unicorn immediately!


you know i really do want a Jill Valentine super happy fun game featuring Resident Evil, it would be awesome if done right.

[JillLovesChris]

Actually, has it ever been reported that Jill's original voice actress from RE 3 is used in the game ?

And on the thoughts of the Chris/Wesker/Jill Mansion flashback spoiler -

When we see Wesker standing by the window all the time in the previous trailers, and how he is walking towards Chris, then we see what happens with Jill, it is not THAT much of guess what happens next. Just surprised how soon this was leaked

[Zimdictive]

Actually, has it ever been reported that Jill's original voice actress from RE 3 is used in the game ?

I considered checking myself, but figured a hundred others would have. But no, I've never heard that mentioned. Hah, all the while, we were staring near-proof in the face.

[Darinl1979]

I like how they really threw you a swerve with the plot...

Here I expected Chris to be all business about getting to the bottom of Uroborus, his prime concern seems to be finding Jill.

[JillLovesChris]

I like how they really threw you a swerve with the plot...

Here I expected Chris to be all business about getting to the bottom of Uroborus, his prime concern seems to be finding Jill.

I think that personally that will be the HUGE over all theme of the game in the end, the whole partner relationship and the Jill / Chris one in particular.

[blaze]

Um...

As a Jill AND Chris/Jill fan... yeah. I'm getting quite emotional watching the livestream stuff so far...

[Darinl1979]

Um...

As a Jill AND Chris/Jill fan... yeah. I'm getting quite emotional watching the livestream stuff so far...

Screw Jill/Chris, that was one of the best cutscenes/boss fights I have ever witnessed. It probably felt more epic due to how long it took the player to figure out how to remove the device. Well at least Jill is ok, for now.

[blaze]

Screw Jill/Chris, that was one of the best cutscenes/boss fights I have ever witnessed. It probably felt more epic due to how long it took the player to figure out how to remove the device. Well at least Jill is ok, for now.

Let's not screw them xD

I couldn't even see the fight. My friend made me play the demo with her while it was taking place D=<

... I only caught the last parts where... you know what happens...

Oh well. At least I'll be a little surprised when I play the game xD

[Darinl1979]

Let's not screw them xD

I couldn't even see the fight. My friend made me play the demo with her while it was taking place D=<

... I only caught the last parts where... you know what happens...

Oh well. At least I'll be a little surprised when I play the game xD

I recorded most of it, I skipped the fight though...only got the part where they remove ...whatever the hell that thing was on her chest. Still can't believe that Jill somehow got hotter.

[Irontrooper]

Here'e a few pics of Jill, I'm not liking the new look. http://galeon.com/weskerpage/Imagenes/019.jpg

[JillLovesChris]

All this Jill talk and how RE 5 is very Jill oriented it seems makes it almost a given that the sixth game will star her lol They are placing so much focus on her when she is not even the playable character and they could have easily just killed her off and be done with it and explain it all in the flashbacks but they seem to be making her pretty epic in 5 so they can do something bigger with her in a new game perhaps.

[JillLovesChris]

It does seem now though as a Chris and a Jill fan this game will deliver the goods in spades, with the chance of Jill being a star in her own game pretty soon. It will still be interesting to see how this all plays out in the end, as the second part of the game has yet to be spoiled or leaked for myself and I plan to keep it that way.

I have thought of something though. How will the T Virus and the antidote which was injected into Jill in RE 3 play a part in how she becomes BMW or indeed regain her old self and break from Wesker ? We have to fight her twice I believe, so the first time she is revealed and we fight her cannot be the last fight right ?

[Darinl1979]

Here'e a few pics of Jill, I'm not liking the new look. http://galeon.com/weskerpage/Imagenes/019.jpg

I don't mind it, I am curious about it though. When we saw her in 2006, it was reddish/burnette still.


It does seem now though as a Chris and a Jill fan this game will deliver the goods in spades, with the chance of Jill being a star in her own game pretty soon. It will still be interesting to see how this all plays out in the end, as the second part of the game has yet to be spoiled or leaked for myself and I plan to keep it that way.

I have thought of something though. How will the T Virus and the antidote which was injected into Jill in RE 3 play a part in how she becomes BMW or indeed regain her old self and break from Wesker ? We have to fight her twice I believe, so the first time she is revealed and we fight her cannot be the last fight right ?

T virus has nothing to do with Jill. Its all explained...well kind of.

[Scream]

On the stream I saw something about the T-Veronica virus? What was that about anyone know?

Looks like Excella (I think she is the tentacle boss) is killed with a special weapon called LTD, some sort of targetting system for a satellite weapon that takes ages to fire. Also kinda reminds me of CODE: Veronica's linear launcher.

[JillLovesChris]

Here'e a few pics of Jill, I'm not liking the new look. http://galeon.com/weskerpage/Imagenes/019.jpg

I don't know. These pics are from the first fight scene with her correct ? Where she does all the flipping and dodging both Chris and Sheva's bullets and then proceeding to beat the crap out of them ? Anyway, maybe this will happen just after she is revealed by Wesker and then that massive fight between them goes down. Should be very interesting to see how you deal with this new Jill and how you have to defeat her this first time.

[Darinl1979]

I don't know. These pics are from the first fight scene with her correct ? Where she does all the flipping and dodging both Chris and Sheva's bullets and then proceeding to beat the crap out of them ? Anyway, maybe this will happen just after she is revealed by Wesker and then that massive fight between them goes down. Should be very interesting to see how you deal with this new Jill and how you have to defeat her this first time.

That scene happens pre-unveiling of Jill. As far as her being in the next game...doubtful. I still believe she will die by the end.

[hellrizer]

if i remember right jill got injured by nemisis right? its been a while since i have played resident evil 3.

[blaze]

That scene happens pre-unveiling of Jill. As far as her being in the next game...doubtful. I still believe she will die by the end.

Sadly, I agree.

[JillLovesChris]

That scene happens pre-unveiling of Jill. As far as her being in the next game...doubtful. I still believe she will die by the end.

Sorry to sound dumb in asking this, but how do these pics happen BEFORE she is revealed to be Jill ?

[Darinl1979]

Sorry to sound dumb in asking this, but how do these pics happen BEFORE she is revealed to be Jill ?

didnt see the pictures he posted, thought you meant the birdwoman fighting sequence.

[Cellardoorsolar]

Here'e a few pics of Jill, I'm not liking the new look. http://galeon.com/weskerpage/Imagenes/019.jpg

I think she looks gorgeous! The change isn't nearly as drastic as I thought! Beautiful.

[Darinl1979]

I think she looks gorgeous! The change isn't nearly as drastic as I thought! Beautiful.

Yeah I like it, she seems very sickly though. I was expecting her to help out on Wesker...oh well.

[JillLovesChris]

Yeah I like it, she seems very sickly though. I was expecting her to help out on Wesker...oh well.

It could be only at the first half of the game mind, then later on when she comes out of the capsule she is re-energized and ready for a few more rounds with Chris and then Wesker.

[Darinl1979]

It could be only at the first half of the game mind, then later on when she comes out of the capsule she is re-energized and ready for a few more rounds with Chris and then Wesker.

Err no I meant after ...certain events with Jill...she appears to be looking worse for wear. My guess is she just looked that way due to everything she had been through.

[CubedSphere]

May I just say, spoiler free, that I'm really happy with the Jill storyline in this game. Oddly, what I wanted to happen didn't happen, but I'm really satisfied with the story and acting in regards to Jill and Chris. Their relationship had only really been hinted at in text files in the past. Here, I could feel a sincere connection.

Personally (and I'm sure there will be a lot of dissagreements since people love to complain) I really loved all of RE5's story.

Perhaps the only thing I didn't like was **MAJOR SPOILER FROM CHAPTER 6** that Excella died. But, meh, I got over it pretty quickly.

[BadWolfX]

Don't mean to be a party pooper or anything, but can we get some sort of non-spoiler discussion going on as well please? I'm not saying stop posting them, it'd just be nice to be able to talk about something that isn't Jill-In-5 related.

[Jill Lover]

LOL Get over it then BadWolf, because RE5 is about Jill (kind of)... partnerish theme, also finding Jill is Chris' major task. She's heavily featured in the plot... and I bet she will have a mini.game explaining a lot of things... I don't think she will be main hero in RE6 but who knows, that would kick ass. Also, I don't like her blonde hair :S

[BadWolfX]

Yes, I understand that, but I don't want to spoil the game for myself. Hell, talk about spoilers all you want, but it'd be nice to be able to actually read the thread and talk without ruining 5. I don't want to just see SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER all the way down the page.

[Jill Lover]

Well I'll have to inform you that this is the SPOILER thread of Jill Valentine so you should not enter... why'd you enter here if you don't want to know about the game? Think about it. There's another thread of spoilers too.. What I mean is... you are not forced to enter these threads...

[Borman]

Major Spoilers:
Jill is fine. Shes in the ending, live and well. She had some thing attached to her front / heart area, which is pulled off, then she is back to being Jill.

[nemesiswontdie]

is this thread is pretty much the 2nd version of the spoiler thread you wont see me here untill after i beat re5

see ya

[Zimdictive]

Ok, uh, lets quit with the mass spoilers huh guys. Don't want to spoil it all before you get to play yourselves do ya?

Oh, and, uh, what live stream? The game even out in Japan yet? I got my dates messed up.

Just tell me she's not dead. Anything else is workable. Except perhaps a permanent transformation into a clawed monster. That could be tricky.

ARG OVER A WEEK TO GO.

[Darinl1979]

Ok, uh, lets quit with the mass spoilers huh guys. Don't want to spoil it all before you get to play yourselves do ya?

Oh, and, uh, what live stream? The game even out in Japan yet? I got my dates messed up.

Just tell me she's not dead. Anything else is workable. Except perhaps a permanent transformation into a clawed monster. That could be tricky.

ARG OVER A WEEK TO GO.

Not dead...or is she? As far as the live stream goes. Someone got the game early apparently. The game was leaked out onto the internet by some douche so people were able to pirate it. Two people streamed the whole game live on a video website yesterday. If you missed it, count your blessings because it was painful to watch those two play. However I will say this about the game...even though I was just watching it...alot of the boss fights/cutscenes/intense scenes with lots of enemies were great. I found myself really involved. Sure it will diminish it for me when I play the game myself but it was still enjoyable for me.

[P Anderson DIE]

Sorry I'll only post spoilers here once even though this IS a spoiler thread, I have to say my thoughts on the game. This is not going to be a review on the whole game but it is going to be very SPOILER filled about Jill and her envolement with Re5. Again DO NOT read this if you dont know what happens.

Ok first I'll just give a quick mention to the rest of the game but this is gonna be very short, I thought that the gameplay and level evniroments where ok kinda got sick of some of the rooms after a while seemed to similar. Not sure what chapter it was but one point it just felt like they was in the same room for over an hour got pretty draining. However the actual gameplay and fighting and such looked very good and enjoyable and I gotta say I cant wait to play it, even though I know what happens its a whole other experience when your playing and not watching. My major problem with the game was cutscenes, They had a real good opportunity to show some nice footage in cutscenes like a build up to the Wesker and Jill showdown I really dont think they showed enough, Appart from what we have seen in the trailers and the Jill scene, I dont recall seeing any epic cutscenes. Also Excella didnt show up til like 3/4 the way through and then she died I didnt even have the chance to decide if I like her or not. So when she died I was thinking ok.

Now onto Jill, the game showed just enough of her, Maybe could have done with a cutscene or two more but I was just to happy with how she was portrayed. The fact that Chris was detirmend to find he soon as he heard her name mentioned I thought was great. We all know from thier past that there may have been or may be something going on between them so I'm glad he made finding her, his number one priority because it felt very real. The unveiling was very cool and then they had the big 2 on 2 showdown which besides the worst two people ever to play a computer console was in control I really enjoyed watching it over and over.....and over again. Yeah her hair was blonde and I really do prefer her with dark hair but so what people change thier hair you cant blame Capcom for trying to be realistic.

Her outfit was kinda slutty but when you have Wesker dressing you up what do you expect. He's obviously a pervert. Cant blame him though if I got to dress up Jill....Well I woudnt. I really did love the part where Chris and Sheva have to pull the thing off her chest the gameplay and cutscene. I may have been a bit over excited to see her but I felt the cutscene after they remove whatever the thing on her chest is was very moving it was thier reunion as this was the first time Jill was her normal self. Dont know bout you guys but I really wanted him to give her a kiss or at least a hug. I know you guys might think it's mushy but if they really do care this much about each other and Capcom are going for realism there should be some physical connection. I felt like their both a bunch of virgins who are scared to be the first one to make a move lol.

Anyway I can get past that because it is a horror/action game and maybe Capcoms afraid it might spoil the moment or something? My last point now is the ending. I was really convinced she was going to die up untill they got onto Wesker's plane. It's great how she is the one who informs Chris of Wesker's weakness which is a very cool idea on Capcom's part. Then at the end when she's saves Chris's ass a second time by throwing him the ladder out of the helicopter again loved the cutscene and there was that awkwardness between Chris and Jill again. Maybe I'm just to soft deep down but I really wanted them to just let down thier guard and hug or kiss or so even just hold hands. I mean they saved each other alot in this game and if someone saved my life I'd be hugging the crap outta them. But that's just a tiny problem on what I thought was epic parts of the game. By far the best parts of the game invovled Jill, yeah Im a Jill fan sue me. Great game cant wait to play.

[Darinl1979]

I think Excella was promoted too much in trailers, made us think she was worth more then she ended up being worth. Irving ended up being a better villian then her. I think though she served as a good tool for showing how cold and sinister Wesker is.

I am still surprised at how the game turned out. Chris in RE5 isn't like the Chris we know from before. I spent alot of time figuring him to be this douche who cares mainly about his mission and less about those around him. Him making finding Jill his first priority was a good character change for him and quite a surprise for me. I expected him not to be sure on whether Jill was alive until late in the game. So in addition to becoming ripped he also gained a personality. Impressive.

Jill in the game was really well done. The Plague Doctor was interesting and mysterious. I thought once Jill was revealed it would of been anticlimatic but those scenes kept growing and growing. The fight looked to be well done as I was concerned how you fight Jill but cant kill her would turn out. The removing fight even more so, I couldn't help but laugh everytime Sheva performed a skullcrusher on her.

Jills look is fine, as I dont really feel we need an explanation there. The outfit wasn't that bad and it seemed reasonable considering her role in the game. My only gripe is still being unclear what happened to her. I'd like to know what happened after the fall and what that device was that was controlling her.

Even if this is the last game we see with Chris and Jill, I am still very pleased with how it turned out.

[P Anderson DIE]

Nice to hear someone on this forums thoughts on the Jill situation. Totally agree about Chris and Jill, I think there will be a seperate ways of some sort for Jill in DLC probably for about 15 pound (20 dollars roughly) Her story alone has the potential for it. I mean that could be one hell of a side game if done right I'd probably prefer it to the main game.

[Darinl1979]

Well theres alot to tell there. I think Capcom figured out that Jill is a really popular character so not doing DLC with her doing a side mission would be a mistake. They pretty much left open what happened with the fall off the Spencer Estate, how Wesker took her under control, other things she may have done while under control (chapters 2-4 had Birdwoman helping Irving to escape..that could be told) in addition to what happens after Chris leaves. Hopefully Capcom does at least something with it, at the very least I would like it to be told in some kind of file.

[Scream]

I think they only made Chris ripped so he could get rid of that boulder later on. He-yah! He-yah!

[BadWolfX]

Hmm.

So Jill can't die then? That's sorta....I mean I love her but I'm sure I read somewhere that you could either save her or kill her. As much as I love her, I think it would've been cool if there was the option to kill her.

[Darinl1979]

Hmm.

So Jill can't die then? That's sorta....I mean I love her but I'm sure I read somewhere that you could either save her or kill her. As much as I love her, I think it would've been cool if there was the option to kill her.

Well you can kill her but if you do you get the same messege that you get if your partner dies "Your partner has died" in red. Most likely because Jill is somewhat important later on when she tells you certain crucial information.

It would of made for a different ending and while sometimes different endings are nice...I hate them with games like this because it causes people to argue about whats canon and whats not.

There was alot of speculation going around about certain details later in the game. Most proved to be false, the only thing that I read that was accurate was the details about the first Wesker fight.

[BadWolfX]

Ah well, that's all cool. I can't wait for the Jill/Wesker vs Chris/Sheva fight :D Sounds insanely awesome

[Darinl1979]

Ah well, that's all cool. I can't wait for the Jill/Wesker vs Chris/Sheva fight :D Sounds insanely awesome

Yeah it is, I think every fight with Wesker involved looks awesome. The 2nd part of the fight though where you are performing "masters of removing" against Jill is pretty epic. Theres some nice dialogue from Chris to Jill in it and the music to it was one of what I thought to be the best sounding tracks in the game. It felt strange to watch though and it will be even more strange to play, something just doesn't seem right playing as Chris and fighting against Jill.

[BadWolfX]

I'm all pumped for the game now.*

The soundtrack looks set to be awesome. I hope we get at least some tracks on YouTube, I just don't have the money to buy it.

*I should say even more pumped. The spoilers only increased my wanting for it.

[Darinl1979]

Yeah I usually don't buy game soundtrack, since it ends up costing quite a bit but when it comes to Resident Evil I splurge on things. I probably won't get mine till middle of next week, still before I get my actual game though.

[CubedSphere]

I'm glad, and shocked, to see so much positive talk going on in here. Good to see not everyone is just hating on the RE5 storyline for the hell of it. I said it in the spoilers thread, but, I really do think I'm liking the RE5 storyline more and more as I think about it in depth.

I was left with the impression of "That was pretty cool" by the end of the live stream playthrough, but now I think the story was about as perfect as Capcom could have made it. I still have ideas in my head that would have made it better, but the pacing and big events were more or less done quite well.

I'll see how I feel after I get done my first playthrough later tonight. Should be getting my copy from FedEx within the next hour or two.

[Zimdictive]

Can't really believe the number that watched a live stream, but meh. You got me to pre/order, uh, a third copy of RE5, from Play-Asia. Dispatched today from HK, I paid for the fastest shipping, eep. I think I'll keep the Game pre-order for the Chris figurine, but cancel the Amazon one. :3 I'm damn well hoping UPS pull through and get me that copy for tomorrow.

[ValentineKnight]

so Jill lives at the end of RE5?

[Borman]

Yes she does. I have the ending on my Youtube account, in HD, if thats your thing. youtube.com/borman18

[News Bot]

Just so you guys know, it is explained in the game why Jill's hair is blonde. Following her "accident", she was effectively revived, and a side effect was a pigmentation abnormality most in cranial follicles (hair). On top of this, she has a skin eticolation, making her white as shit.

[ValentineKnight]

Just so you guys know, it is explained in the game why Jill's hair is blonde. Following her "accident", she was effectively revived, and a side effect was a pigmentation abnormality most in cranial follicles (hair). On top of this, she has a skin eticolation, making her white as shit.

just like Wesker...oh and YAY Jill's not dead!!!...sorry if I'm overreacting I'm just glad

[Zimdictive]

Any Jill fans got a copy early on Xbox and want to co-op the game?

[Darinl1979]

Just so you guys know, it is explained in the game why Jill's hair is blonde. Following her "accident", she was effectively revived, and a side effect was a pigmentation abnormality most in cranial follicles (hair). On top of this, she has a skin eticolation, making her white as shit.

Is this in a game file? At least its a viable explanation although I guess that technically means she did die from the fall? I find that much to be a bit...out there. If you die from a fall like that, you wouldnt even be recogizable as a human and it would be such a mess. I'd still like more info on how they actually brought her back around and what the device was controlling her.

[P Anderson DIE]

Just so you guys know, it is explained in the game why Jill's hair is blonde. Following her "accident", she was effectively revived, and a side effect was a pigmentation abnormality most in cranial follicles (hair). On top of this, she has a skin eticolation, making her white as shit.


Must have missed that, what point is it explained?

[Darinl1979]

Must have missed that, what point is it explained?

In addition to changing the hair color and her skin color being lighter , another side effect is that it appears to make her look a little younger. In all honesty I am glad they came up with this kind of treatment/way of manipulating Jill. I think a virus similiar to Weskers would of been a permanent change to the character. Im not saying that I prefer her new look more then her old one, but she is still damn hot.

[News Bot]

Must have missed that, what point is it explained?

Immediately after the U-8 boss fight, it's on the monitor displaying Jill's face.

[James]

Immediately after the U-8 boss fight, it's on the monitor displaying Jill's face.
Wow didn't notice that - will have to have a look later on.

[A-J]

so what do you guys think of the approach capcom took ? good ? bad ? expected ?

[Darinl1979]

so what do you guys think of the approach capcom took ? good ? bad ? expected ?

For the most part I think they did a good job with Jill. At first I wanted a game with Chris/Jill as partners and I disliked Sheva because of it. I feel though that if that had happened Jill would of seemed like she fell behind Chris in terms of importance so giving Jill a completely unexpected storyline which even improved Chris's character development was a great thing to do.

Her new look doesn't bother me, especially now with a given explanation for it. I can't say that I prefer it but it certainly doesn't do her any harm. The only thing that I dislike is how she had to take a backseat while Sheva helped kill Wesker. I know its been stated many times but it just didn't feel right. I don't really find Shevas hated of Wesker to be geniune and theres no way it could be on the same level as what Jill feels. If anything Jill has more reason to hate him then Chris.

[A-J]

well ..

jill's physical condition was still pretty messed up, she probably would have missed the shot, she knew it, and obviously realistically you can't have a switcharoo just for the one moment :P.

this probably belongs in the DLC topic but i'm pretty sure if i post it there even in tags it'll get marked lol, but i really hope that they do a future DLC level where the spencer estate scenario is an actual level and you play as Chris and Jill. They could turn the brief wesker confrontation at the end into a boss fight and end it like the game shows it ending.

[Darinl1979]

well ..

jill's physical condition was still pretty messed up, she probably would have missed the shot, she knew it, and obviously realistically you can't have a switcharoo just for the one moment :P.

this probably belongs in the DLC topic but i'm pretty sure if i post it there even in tags it'll get marked lol, but i really hope that they do a future DLC level where the spencer estate scenario is an actual level and you play as Chris and Jill. They could turn the brief wesker confrontation at the end into a boss fight and end it like the game shows it ending.

I don't know if that scenario would really work. Does Spencer have people working for him as guards? If so, is it ok for the BSAA to go around killing them? Aside from the Wesker confrontation, the level would seem pretty boring....

UNLESS instead of enemy opposition it was puzzle like. Each floor on the mansion has a different puzzle that you have do. Using certain commands you can tell your AI partner how to help you with the puzzles or work out it on co-op. Sure that wouldnt make much logical sense to have a mansion like that, but did the RPD police station make sense?

I get your point about Jills exhaustion, it was apparent as soon as she was saved and then beyond that. Still though, longtime fans of the series will still feel that she should of played a part in Weskers demise.

[Rakkoon]

Hm, don't think I like the new look so far...

[Zimdictive]

Um. What. Just finished the game, and, on the whole, have been considerably disappointed. Enemies with guns... what is this? Gears of War? Oh wait, a poorly implemented cover system. Uh-oh. Maybe it's trying to be. And, um, those lickers suck. What happened to their look? They've suddenly become... no, not scary, but boring. Oh, and their (and everyone else's) AI is terrible. I was playing veteran, and you could just trap people on the corners of bends, and some of the semi-bosses got awfully confused over what to do with STAIRS. I just stood back with the Dragunov (at lest one thing I was pleased about) and shot their heads off while they just stood their, stuck. Oh, did I mention the weapons were extremely unsatisfying to shoot? Or the enimes extremely unsatisfying to injure? They've reused animations and sounds from RE4, which, is, in my mind, an appalling short-cut.

And more to the point, um, where's Jill? They kept saying her name, but I finished the game and I didn't see her. (No, I'm not being dense, merely trying to illustrate a point.) Gone is the chic and look-defining bob cut for an immensely forgettable blond (?) ponytail. And, uh, everything is wrong. Voice. Choice of words. Manner. Physique. Attitude. Personality. Dress sense. No longer strong willed, but now apathetic, pathetic and helpless. What the fuck have Capcom done to this series? And what the FUCK have they done to the most-loved character?

Ok, rant over. I'm done with Resident Evil. Who would like to buy a Jasper 360, with 60Gb HDD, and GoW2, SFIV, and RE5? I'll include two battery packs and a charge station. And I'll ship anywhere in the world.

:blargh:

EDIT: I just looked at Rakkoon's sig and avatar just above me, and actually felt a powerful urge to vomit over my keyboard.

[rehunk88]

talking about overreacting jesus lol haha

[Zimdictive]

talking about overreacting jesus lol haha

Yeah... maybe I did. :3 But I was expecting a lot from this game. I really felt the whole magic of RE4 when I played it the first time, after getting all pissed about the overhaul, and then all stoked about the cool third person viewpoint, but finishing RE5 was an anticlimactic, stale chore for the most part. Maybe I was spoilt by GoW, which I played just beforehand. In that you really got the feeling you were destroying your enemies, obliterating them in the stream of gore, bone and blood and had a personal, vested stake in the conflict.

Ok, I had a really bad day anyway. And maybe it'll be better in co-op. <.< >.> <.< ... -__-

A small comparison for you, some games that I sat back and watched the credits role in awe, or/and felt a great sense of accomplishment:
Most recently, Mass Effect. That last battle was fantastic; I was so scared if I didn't obliterate Saren right there and then, and as fast as possible, my ship would have to sacrifice itself and my awesome crew would go up in flames.
Unreal 2.
Portal.
Resident Evil 1/Remake, 2, 3.
Vampire Bloodlines.

[rehunk88]

Yeah... maybe I did. :3 But I was expecting a lot from this game. I really felt the whole magic of RE4 when I played it the first time, after getting all pissed about the overhaul, and then all stoked about the cool third person viewpoint, but finishing RE5 was an anticlimactic, stale chore for the most part. Maybe I was spoilt by GoW, which I played just beforehand. In that you really got the feeling you were destroying your enemies, obliterating them in the stream of gore, bone and blood and had a personal, vested stake in the conflict.

Ok, I had a really bad day anyway. And maybe it'll be better in co-op. <.< >.> <.< ... -__-

oh man im sorry to hear that damn w8 so long for the game and then its a let down im sorry for u damn that must suck alot ya hey im sure u will find co op much better :)

[Zimdictive]

oh man im sorry to hear that damn w8 so long for the game and then its a let down im sorry for u damn that must suck alot ya hey im sure u will find co op much better :)

Meh, besides, there are not many game characters I give a damn about. Aside from those in Bioware games, Jill was one of the rare exceptions. Favourite game character. And now they've made her look, act and talk like someone new. Someone I don't like.

[ValentineKnight]

um pactical reason she was weak is she just had a mind control device quite literly TORN out of her chest and yeah I prefer her hair red/short but I'll live:lol: Jill is Jill regardless:D

[Zimdictive]

um pactical reason she was weak is she just had a mind control device quite literly TORN out of her chest and yeah I prefer her hair red/short but I'll live:lol: Jill is Jill regardless:D

You just know Chris would have been like, "Oh, fuck you." and ran after Wesker if it got ripped out him. And so would have Jill; she'd have shown a little backbone; I mean, she's had chunks torn out her by fellow humans, dogs (both alight and not), crows, and a whole range of B.O.Ws, and been infected with the T-virus, after being impaled through the chest by tentacles.

She was lame beforehand anyway, in that two V. two fight. Ugh, those truly ridiculous clothes. Akimbo cheapo Uzi alternatives? What the hell is this, a nasty B-movie with bad action scenes? Wait, yes, yes it is. You really have to play it yourself to understand just how stale the game feels. Those last shreds of RE and have long gone.

EDIT: I took the opportunity to breathe some fresh air, listen to some Death Metal. I feel a little better. Hey, what I gather from the files, Jill's been exploited by Wesker for, what, three years? Finally got out from it, maybe the new version deserves a break. And, huh, I bet come the next game she'll be dying her hair, and wearing it properly, as she apparently does so in mercenaries if you chose so. That is, not the skin-tight suit from an 80s sci-fi.

[ValentineKnight]

Okay I'm worried are those virals canon?Cause they don't mention Jill and Chris is crazy while at the end of RE5 he's fine

[blaze]

Okay I'm worried are those virals canon?Cause they don't mention Jill and Chris is crazy while at the end of RE5 he's fine

Highly doubt it.

They probably want the whole "ZOMG JILL = BIRDLADY THAT KICKED CHRIS IN THE FACE?!?!?!" thing to be a surprise for those who haven't already spoiled themselves.

And I have a feeling Chris would be far happier, and far more at rest after having won a long, long battle, and having Jill back after so long. To him, RE5 was all about Jill (let's face it... he uttered her name every two seconds)... not the fact that Kijuju was a very scary and "unforgettable" place xP

So no... I don't think these are canon.

[ValentineKnight]

ChrisxJill ftw!This game strongly hinted at it at least on Chris"s part in my opinion

[blaze]

ChrisxJill ftw!This game strongly hinted at it at least on Chris"s part in my opinion

Cheers to that :D ^_^

Yeah, Chris was so needy, and like "plz let me stay with you till your wounds heal!!! PLZ." and she was all "wesker! destroy! go! nao!"

But the fact that she was able to show restraint against the control device on her chest, just for Chris, said a lot (plus she was willing to give her life for him, without hesitation too, going back to the Spencer Estate incident) So I think the affection goes both ways... Chris was probably just really paranoid about the possibility of losing her again (I had to "aw" when she called and he was all concerned for her when the call was lost :3 ).


Back to Jill...

I actually liked her voice actress. She was a little overemotional at times, but I'm glad she at least DID give emotion to her lines. And I'm sure her hair would've eventually gone back to its original color. There was a valid reason for her blonde-ness, and it made her look even more sickly and worn, which is what I think they were going for.

And under a mind control device, I don't really think she had a choice in her wardrobe :P

[ValentineKnight]

That's true and if I was Chris I'd go serial killer psycho on Wesker's ass for what he did to Jill I'd make that bastard pay!!!

[Zimdictive]

Back to Jill...

I actually liked her voice actress. She was a little overemotional at times, but I'm glad she at least DID give emotion to her lines. And I'm sure her hair would've eventually gone back to its original color. There was a valid reason for her blonde-ness, and it made her look even more sickly and worn, which is what I think they were going for.

And under a mind control device, I don't really think she had a choice in her wardrobe :P

I... guess. Maybe the real problem for me was her voice. Why oh why did they not re-enlist her Remake VA? She was perfect. She had the whole, 'Well, everything is fucked, but oh, I'm not going to have a tantrum over it'. Coldness, I suppose. I love the bit when she goes ahead and throws up, and then gets over it right away. Real strong will. Body goes ahead and acts on the impulse of disgust, but the mind remains in check.

[Skunky]

I can't be assed reading through this huge thread but surely I'm not the only one who thought that:
Jill in her birdwoman outfit looks almost EXACTLY like Nina Williams (from Tekken) especially the gear she wears in the spin off game 'Death by Degrees'!

I was like "Wow, I can't believe that Birdwoman is Nina Williams!!! I never would have guessed that!" :lol:

It a nice outfit and I was pretty impressed with Jill's brief appearance in the game. There are some GREAT fight scenes!

[ValentineKnight]

I can't be assed reading through this huge thread but surely I'm not the only one who thought that:
Jill in her birdwoman outfit looks almost EXACTLY like Nina Williams (from Tekken) especially the gear she wears in the spin off game 'Death by Degrees'!

I was like "Wow, I can't believe that Birdwoman is Nina Williams!!! I never would have guessed that!" :lol:

It a nice outfit and I was pretty impressed with Jill's brief appearance in the game. There are some GREAT fight scenes!She looks like the Terminator from T3 or a refuge from Metal Gear if you ask me...

[Rakkoon]

I just looked at Rakkoon's sig and avatar just above me, and actually felt a powerful urge to vomit over my keyboard.

I feel you. I think it's finally time for me to accept Resident Evil 3 was the last game in the series. At least for me. I've made up my mind now.

Jill is not dead, as expected, but...that's not Jill...as expected.

[Zimdictive]

I feel you. I think it's finally time for me to accept Resident Evil 3 was the last game in the series. At least for me. I've made up my mind now.

Jill is not dead, as expected, but...that's not Jill...as expected.

I think they made her look right in an extra costume in mercenaries, but I only managed to unlock Chris' STARS version so far. If the next game is hers, which I do anticipate after finishing RE5, I hope to fucking hell she'll have got over her issues with... uh... everything.

But can you remember that cut scene in the bathroom in Remake where she finds that zombie in the bath and throws up, all casual like, after killing it, and gets over it? That, for me, epitomises all that Jill is, and I love her for it. Full of attitude. :3

[Rakkoon]

Yeah, I remember that scene. It was a good scene.

I just really hate Jill's hair now. A blonde ponytail? This is ridiculous. Seriously, I can't stand it and I hate it they changed her hair like that. I am so disappointed, because Claire was great in Degeneration, so why did they ruin Jill? The hair is giving me a headache.

[Zimdictive]

Yeah, I remember that scene. It was a good scene.

I just really hate Jill's hair now. A blonde ponytail? This is ridiculous. Seriously, I can't stand it and I hate it they changed her hair like that. I am so disappointed, because Claire was great in Degeneration, so why did they ruin Jill? The hair is giving me a headache.

I'm with you on that, mate. It's a serious pain. IMHO, a bob cut is the best damn hairstyle a gal can have. Oh, I can't say much because I'm in horrible destructive 4chan mode.

[Sina]

Yeah, I remember that scene. It was a good scene.

I just really hate Jill's hair now. A blonde ponytail? This is ridiculous. Seriously, I can't stand it and I hate it they changed her hair like that. I am so disappointed, because Claire was great in Degeneration, so why did they ruin Jill? The hair is giving me a headache.
Ruin Jill? Give me a fucking break. I always thought Jill was kind of a boring character, and her retarded street walker outfit in RE3 didn't really help her appeal. However, for me RE5 made Jill very interesting all of a sudden. The part where you have to remove her chest thing is definately a top 3 epic moment in the RE series for me, and that's coming from someone who wasn't really a Jill fan before. After RE5 though her notch went up quite high in my book.

And her hair? Come on... It's grown, and she's put it in a ponytail since she's doing pretty physical stuff. It would be silly if she still had the RE1 haircut after 10 years, wouldn't it? Jesus find something real to complain about.

[Cellardoorsolar]

"Oh, wahhh!! Capcom changed her hair! The series has died for me!" <- Give me an F-ing break!

You sound completely spoiled and narrow minded! Stop being so conservative. People change their hair.. AND, if you knew anything about the game, it is described why her hair has turned blonde!

It wasn't dyed that way! During experimentation on her, her hair and skin lost pigment, making her extremely white and took the color from her hair. She was lost for 3 years; so, of course her hair is going to grow. A bob is fine to keep down, but nobody wants to be flipping around matrix style with hair flying in your face = it's annoying! Hence, the pony-tail.

I think she looks hot in a fair-haired vampire way!

[rehunk88]

im with cellar once again his right people stop whining

just becuse she got her hair changed then dont be all OOH the serie is ruined for me its over OVER fgs people !! ..

[ValentineKnight]

Jill is Jill regardless of hair and I still love her but I will say she looks kind of generic to me now not just the hair it's mostly the catsuit...

[Zimdictive]

Jill is Jill regardless of hair and I still love her but I will say she looks kind of generic to me now not just the hair it's mostly the catsuit...

This is my angle... Durr, and for the two posters before, the blandness hasn't just stopped at her appearance, it continued to her overall personality. Standard. Clichéd. Not Jill. If you read my earlier posts, back when I finished RE5 a couple days back, you'd get the angle. And, Sina: Learn2play RE pre-4 proper.

(Eh, 4chan, what have you done to me?)

EDIT: I'm going to flesh this out. No, wait, I'm not. I'm going to bash my head against a proverbial wall as I despair in just how widely the point was missed. It wasn't even diluted in that much sarcasm and irrelevance, guys!

Oh well, I still have hope for Capcom, if not for you lot. :P I played MvC2 yesterday. Jill's combos are fancy, and she can swing a proper punch. And if you get close, she'll take a vicious swipe with a combat knife at your general midriff. That's before you summons mutant dogs and crows on you. :3

[Sina]

And, Sina: Learn2play RE pre-4 proper.
Right, because the only reason you couldn't like Jill is because you didn't play RE1/RE3 enough? :rollseyes

In RE1 she didn't really have any defining personality traits, she was just the token heroine. A master of lockpicking doesn't count as a personality trait.

In RE3 I didn't really find her to be an appealing character personality wise, and making her dress like a lady of the night just made sure anything she said or did in the game couldn't be taken that seriously, especially her little attempt at poetry in the intro... ugh. But her one virtue was that she was the original RE character, but other than that she's always been pretty bland.

The direction they took with her now was the only sensible thing they could've done to evolve the character and make her interesting.

[Dot50Cal]

How did this topic become so big? Seriously. Its like..scary. Really scary.

[Darinl1979]

How did this topic become so big? Seriously. Its like..scary. Really scary.

The "Is she dead or is she alive" discussion made her the most debated topic in RE5.

[Dot50Cal]

Yeah, but theres not like you can discuss that for 1000 posts without running in circles. I really ought to give this entire topic a read some time.

[Darinl1979]

Yeah, but theres not like you can discuss that for 1000 posts without running in circles. I really ought to give this entire topic a read some time.

Well there was some other talk about Jill once the debate settled. I think arguments concerning her dress attire went on for pages and pages. Anytime you supposedly "kill" a popular character its going to spark discussion like this did.

[Sina]

Anytime you supposedly "kill" a popular character its going to spark discussion like this did.
Or when you change a characters hairstyle ever so slightly :D

[ValentineKnight]

not really I think....Maybe people are scared that Jill won't be recognise able anymore I dunno:lol:

[Zimdictive]

Well... nothing more to say than L2Spot a prostitute. You might embarrass yourself, kid. :3 Aaand, no, you wouldn't have to play RE1/Remake and 3, but it would damn well help. In the same way reading the Qu'ran before ridiculing traits of Islam would lend credence to the argument and make you appear less of a zealot.

Yeah, it's a wonder the post count reached this volume. Statistically speaking, the volume of posts discussing Jill would be of greater quantity than any other character, but I see no threads dedicated to other characters. I mean, I liked Rebecca too, she had guts. And Wesker and Barry were about the only two guys I didn't have a problem with, back in those age old days of Resident Evil games.

There is very little to say about Jill's very small role in RE5 (apart from that it was clichéd) so I guess the thread will die down.

[[STARS]TyranT]

I thought her voice actress was amongst the best in the game. Serious kudos go out to her.

[adamthegrave]

i really didnt like what they did with jill in this game too much of hollywood & games rips into this game RE4 was better

[Sina]

Well... nothing more to say than L2Spot a prostitute. You might embarrass yourself, kid. :3
Don't worry, I don't think I'll visit too many prostitutes to have that problem. Glad to hear you're confident in that area, though.

Anyway, by that I take it you approve of Jill's RE3 outfit and you thought it made sense? It's something obviously made to appeal to lonely 12 year olds. They went for "sexy" but it ended up "skanky and retarded given the situation". Hell, even Carlos thought she was a hooker.


Aaand, no, you wouldn't have to play RE1/Remake and 3, but it would damn well help. In the same way reading the Qu'ran before ridiculing traits of Islam would lend credence to the argument and make you appear less of a zealot.
Right, so, maybe you've played those games enough to where you're at a state of absolute blind adoration and worship for the wonderful and rich character of Jill Valentine, but I've played those games quite abit and I'm not nearly there yet. I don't particularly dislike the character, I just think pre RE5 Jill was a generic character with a generic personality. I liked the way she was handled in RE5, but then again anything other than same ol' pursuit of justice Jill would've been a step in the right direction.

Speaking of lending credence to your argument, instead of saying you disagree with me again, please explain why you disagree and why you think pre RE5 Jill was so awesome.

[[STARS]TyranT]

I actually love what they did with Jill in Resident Evil 5 in that they made her exactly like Chris: Unafraid, totally determined and absolutely commited to putting her life on the line for the mission. it must of seriously done a number on Chris' personality for Jill to 'die' for him. And that's what makes Jill and Chris great, they are simply, heroes.

[Zimdictive]

Don't worry, I don't think I'll visit too many prostitutes to have that problem. Glad to hear you're confident in that area, though.

Anyway, by that I take it you approve of Jill's RE3 outfit and you thought it made sense? It's something obviously made to appeal to lonely 12 year olds. They went for "sexy" but it ended up "skanky and retarded given the situation". Hell, even Carlos thought she was a hooker.


Right, so, maybe you've played those games enough to where you're at a state of absolute blind adoration and worship for the wonderful and rich character of Jill Valentine, but I've played those games quite abit and I'm not nearly there yet. I don't particularly dislike the character, I just think pre RE5 Jill was a generic character with a generic personality. I liked the way she was handled in RE5, but then again anything other than same ol' pursuit of justice Jill would've been a step in the right direction.

Speaking of lending credence to your argument, instead of saying you disagree with me again, please explain why you disagree and why you think pre RE5 Jill was so awesome.

Well, uh, she never did look like a prostitute to me. Curious costume design though, yes, but what are you, completely new to the world of multimedia and entertainment? Played any other games recently, watched any other films? Human popular culture is, regretfully, bathed in something luridly termed "fanservice". Besides, to turn your argument on it's head, I think her catsuit in RE5 was far more conspicuous. Which would have turned the most heads on a street? I don't think I have to answer that one for you. At least, I hope not.

*Heaves a massive sigh* And I have explained already what I see in her. Many times, in different words. I asked you to read earlier posts, but, eh, looks like you didn't. I'm not repeating myself for your benefit. Though there isn't much point in you reading it, because we seem to see completely different things in Jill.

To put it pleasantly, read/watch/play more, and learn what is and is not a cliché. For Jill is far from so in the sub genre of survival horror, and most particularly not in Remake. And, to lend some sort of weight to my words, what can I say? That I study psychology and literature? (And did, all those years ago, study media... :/)

[Darinl1979]

This sina person has douchebag troll written all over them. Mini skirt and tubetop is prostitute clothing? You need to get out more as I have friends that have those kind of clothing in their wardrobe and its far from prostitute clothing. You are just trying to reignite an argument for the sake of something to do. Nobody cares.

The demograph of the game was 18-24 male, so how do figure that it was targeted towards 12 year old boys? RE1 through 3 didnt have much character development as most of the development was done through files throughout the games. Jill was by far the most developed out of any of the main characters. Which isnt saying much but at least she got a Nemesis kill under her belt, which made RE3 a fascinating game.

[Rakkoon]

I am so sick of people calling Jill names because of her RE3 clothes. But I've said what I had to say about that already. The change of her hair is ridiculous. Just like 80% of RE5. But Jill's hair hardly matters anymore, since Resident Evil is officially dead now. Dead.

[[STARS]TyranT]

When Chris and Sheva are riding the large elevator down to find Jill, (after the U8 battle), if you check the screen Chris reads up information on Jill and it says that as a result of the treatment she's endured it has caused the loss of colour in her hair.

If you actually look at her hair after she's been demasked, you can see her brown roots returning. The whole blonde hair thing was a massive smoke screen I think to make us think the tube girl was Sherry.

[News Bot]

The change of her hair is ridiculous.

No it isn't. It's a side effect of her near-death and later experimentation, pigment abnormality. It's perfectly reasonable.

Judging from your avatar and signature, it would appear you're merely blinded by fanboyism.

[Darinl1979]

Well at least now people can bash Jill for something else besides her RE3 outfit. Up till now everyone who wasn't a Jill fan proclaimed "OMGZ JILLS A PROSTITUTE BECAUSE SHES WEARING A MINI SKIRT" and now you can throw in her hair color. I personally didn't mind the change, I wouldn't call myself a fan boy because I can recognize flaws such a her RE3 outfit. While it wasn't hooker-like it certainly didn't make sense for what she was doing. Personally I am more surprised that people aren't upset that her pixelated chest area is ruined by a scar.

[Rakkoon]

No it isn't. It's a side effect of her near-death and later experimentation, pigment abnormality. It's perfectly reasonable.

Judging from your avatar and signature, it would appear you're merely blinded by fanboyism.

Thank you. You are quite a psychologist. Yes, I am blinded by fanboyism.

God...

I never said it was unreasonable. I don't care if it makes sense. It's stupid. It's ugly. I hate it. I don't care what reasonable reason they come up with, it doesn't make any difference to me. I hate it. That's how I feel. Maybe I should paraphrase? TO ME it's ridiculous. Do I have to say things like 'to me' or 'in my opinion' every time to make it clear I am stating a personal opinion here?

Jill's blonde hair pisses me off enormously. RE5 has enough of everything to completely destroy Resident Evil. Then there's Jill and her pathetic look. It's a joke, everything. Such a cheap way to steal people's money. Such a lame way to end RE. I'm not talking about Jill's hair now. That was just a lame way to end Jill. The hair was just the most obvious flaw. Superficial? I would say Jill's hair color was probably the deepest thing about RE5. Say whatever you like now, I really don't care anymore.

[[STARS]TyranT]

Why though? It's only the change of hair - Capcom even went to the effort to explain it AND visually show her natural colour is returning, as well as including good old brunette Jill in the Mercs.

I can understand some of the games backlash but to base most of the games hate over a characters hair colour is a little bit too much, did you flip out when Capcom changed Leon's hair from a reddish ginger to blonde in Resident Evil 4?

And Jill isn't ended, there's no reason to suggest she wont be back?

[ValentineKnight]

I want another Jill game so I hope not...anyway I just dislike Jill"s new hair and outfit cause she looks like a generic female spy/villian character to me now...like I said it's mostly the catsuit:\

[Rakkoon]

TyranT;86101']And Jill isn't ended, there's no reason to suggest she wont be back?

Are you all blind? Don't you realize? Resident Evil is dead. RE5 was a joke. They made fun of you. They stole your money. They raped you the way they raped Monica Bellucci in Irreversible. Forget Jill's hair, that was just ugly and that's it. I hate it, but that's about it. But what really matters is that Resident Evil died. It really did. Don't you care? I care about that more than I care about Jill's hair as ugly as it is. Why do we even bother discussing anything anymore? RE is dead.

[Darinl1979]

Yeah, they announced a new Wii game and verified that RE6 will eventually come out. RE sure is dead. Just because RE5 wasn't an ode to Jill and give you more images to masturbate to in your Mom's basement doesn't mean it was a bad game or that RE is dead. It was short but sweet.

[Rakkoon]

Yeah, they announced a new Wii game and verified that RE6 will eventually come out. RE sure is dead. Just because RE5 wasn't an ode to Jill and give you more images to masturbate to in your Mom's basement doesn't mean it was a bad game or that RE is dead. It was short but sweet.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I really don't care about Jill. Seriously, the hair just pissed me off before I actually played RE5. After that I didn't care anymore. There were MUCH bigger issues. What you said was very insulting, but right now I am too frustrated over the huge failure of RE5 to actually even be able to write anything sensible, let alone care about your insults towards me. It wasn't nice though.

It doesnt matter what they announce. They announced RE5. I was glad. I waited. I hoped. I waited more. I hoped more. I hoped less. I hoped more. I pre-ordered. I got it. I played it. I was in disbelief. It was a joke. A mockery of the Resident Evil series. Short but sweet? It was a bad joke that wasn't even funny. A sick clone of a Dolph Lundgren B movie or something.

This is not the place to discuss RE5 I guess. I'm too emotional right now, since I am terribly let down. I really feel totally cheated and disappointed. They ruined Resident Evil forever. RE5 really did it for me. They just butchered it. RE4 was far better than RE5 when it came out. Even now, it's still much much better. RE5 is a better looking RE4 with no story, ugly locations for most of the game, terrible bosses, absolutely mindless action, repetative and with nothing even remotely enjoyable about it, just frustratingly hard since it felt cheap and I had no motivation at all to shoot someone 20 times with an upgraded shotgun before they even flinch. Mindless shooting all the way, all the time. Terrible PARTNER. God, I hate that word now. Just a very VERY random game, very forgettable in general. That was the biggest, stupidest joke ever. RE5, that is.

Maybe I would be able to write something that makes more sense in a few days. I'm sorry I had to post this now.

[[STARS]TyranT]

Right..

*sigh*

So Resident Evil 5 has no story, yet you site Resident Evil 4 as being 'far better'? When Mikami abandoned years of storytelling to tell a predictably awful story of a President's daughter being kidnapped with horrendous villians and cardboard hero (though I do like Leon). It took Seperate Ways to make the story of that game at least interesting, and Mikami was long gone by that point.

Ugly locations - because damn - the 4 hours we spent in the castle are so spectacular nothing can compare. If you'd said the Spencer Mansion or Raccoon City I'd of been with you, but again using Resident Evil 4 as reference I just can't understand it.

The bosses comment, again you compare Resident Evil 4, the only bosses in Resident Evil 4 that offered any sense of real tactic was Krauser and Saddler, the rest are just simply 'unload your best weapon as fast as you can'. At least Resident Evil 5, the bosses has phases and variety, you aren't doing the same thing in each one.

Mindless action: I'm with you there, but again that's all Resident Evil 4 was bar one section in the prison. At least with Resident Evil 5 being the shorter game it actually doesn't feel padded out with even more action like the way Mikami just couldn't resist putting in one more massive gunfight in the game post the Krauser battle.

You announce Resident Evil 5 has killed the series, but to many Resident Evil 4 did that already, what the devs wanted to do here was to give a storyline that would please the older fans and give certain characters a chance again. But what is with Jill having blonde hair that irks you so much, the woman went through hell in this game. She's not going to be perfect, but hey, she's alive and she's back.

"Everyday Resident Evil 4 fans come one step closer to self-destruction, I'm not destroying the Resident Evil fanbase, I'm saving it" - Jun Takeuchi.

[ValentineKnight]

That quote was made of pure win :D I agree to me RE5 is the best game since REmake.

[News Bot]

It's stupid. It's ugly. I hate it.

Auto-invalidated.

Calling something a stupid design choice or game ruining just because you don't particularly like blonde hair (of all things to diss a game about) is, to be honest, mind-numbing.

[missvalentine]

ok i haven't been here for a while.

but i think RE5 was a HUGE letdown. also i find it amusing that i was right that RE5 was about Jill. well Jill and Uroboros anyway.

anyways, i didn't like Jill as much as i did previously. but she was the best character in RE5 nonetheless, and then Excella after that.

also i really hate how she is blond now, and i think it would have been better if it was Jill and Chris who fired the RPG's at Wesker.

but still, just like what Kojima did with Snake in MGS2, putting him as a side character so they could develop him more. now capcom tried it and now they have put Jill has a side character in RE5 and turns out she is the most interesting character in the game. ive finished it and i cann't wait to her more about her she's more interesting now that she has ever been for me.

also, Chris was ok in RE5, but still kinda bland. but Wesker they totaly fucked his character up in RE5. :( also im not to happy about super Jill.

[ValentineKnight]

YAY you're back!:D...Anyway I think Chris and Jill were the best characters in RE5...though I still wish Chris beat the shit outta Wesker for what he did to Jill.-.--.--.-

[News Bot]

also i really hate how she is blond now

1) It's explained.
2) It's temporary.


but Wesker they totaly fucked his character up in RE5.

Play CVX.

[missvalentine]

YAY you're back!:D...Anyway I think Chris and Jill were the best characters in RE5...though I still wish Chris beat the shit outta Wesker for what he did to Jill.-.--.--.-

:D thanks. but it's only temporary. im at an internet cafe. the internet at my home is still broken. :(

anyways i agree that... this is weird for me, but Chris is actually quite good in RE5. and yes Jill isthebest, and making her a side character only made her a million time more interesting to me.


1) It's explained.
2) It's temporary.



Play CVX.

yeah i know it's explained, cause she's been in the tube. and i know it's just temporary and after a few weeks her hair will be back to normal. but it's just than Jill really does not suit Blond hair.

and yes Wesker in CVX was pushing the boundarys.

[Jill's Boob]

Excella Gionne summed it up perfectly with this line of dialogue from RE5:

"Jill, Jill, Jill. You're like a broken record."

Speaks volumes about this thread, and certain fanatical fans.

[aris13]

Excella Gionne summed it up perfectly with this line of dialogue from RE5:

"Jill, Jill, Jill. You're like a broken record."



I laughed so hard when she said that.:lol:

[Daargoth]

Excella Gionne summed it up perfectly with this line of dialogue from RE5:

"Jill, Jill, Jill. You're like a broken record."

Speaks volumes about this thread, and certain fanatical fans.

"I'm tired of your BULLSHIT!" *injects needle*

best line, ever!!!! the Excella one was pretty good too lol.

[Rakkoon]

Auto-invalidated.

Calling something a stupid design choice or game ruining just because you don't particularly like blonde hair (of all things to diss a game about) is, to be honest, mind-numbing.

I'm talking to a brick wall here. I already stated it's my opinion and I don't have to say 'imo, blah blah' every time for it to be clear that what I'm saying is simply the way I view things. I never said RE5 or Jill was ruined because of the blonde hair. I did say they were ruined, but I never gave the blonde hair as the reason. On Jill, that stupid blonde ponytail just pisses me off. This argument is over.


TyranT;86162']Right..

*sigh*

So Resident Evil 5 has no story, yet you site Resident Evil 4 as being 'far better'? When Mikami abandoned years of storytelling to tell a predictably awful story of a President's daughter being kidnapped with horrendous villians and cardboard hero (though I do like Leon). It took Seperate Ways to make the story of that game at least interesting, and Mikami was long gone by that point.

Ugly locations - because damn - the 4 hours we spent in the castle are so spectacular nothing can compare. If you'd said the Spencer Mansion or Raccoon City I'd of been with you, but again using Resident Evil 4 as reference I just can't understand it.

The bosses comment, again you compare Resident Evil 4, the only bosses in Resident Evil 4 that offered any sense of real tactic was Krauser and Saddler, the rest are just simply 'unload your best weapon as fast as you can'. At least Resident Evil 5, the bosses has phases and variety, you aren't doing the same thing in each one.

Mindless action: I'm with you there, but again that's all Resident Evil 4 was bar one section in the prison. At least with Resident Evil 5 being the shorter game it actually doesn't feel padded out with even more action like the way Mikami just couldn't resist putting in one more massive gunfight in the game post the Krauser battle.

You announce Resident Evil 5 has killed the series, but to many Resident Evil 4 did that already, what the devs wanted to do here was to give a storyline that would please the older fans and give certain characters a chance again. But what is with Jill having blonde hair that irks you so much, the woman went through hell in this game. She's not going to be perfect, but hey, she's alive and she's back.

"Everyday Resident Evil 4 fans come one step closer to self-destruction, I'm not destroying the Resident Evil fanbase, I'm saving it" - Jun Takeuchi.

Mikami is the father of Resident Evil. RE5 sucks mostly because Mikami is gone. It's not the game he would have made, and he said that himself. RE5 is nothing like RE4 except for the gameplay. RE4 had its story and the reason it was isolated was because it was meant to be like that. Leon has nothing to do with the main RE story (the one with Chris, Jill, and Wesker). He was on a solo mission in an isolated village. The story was exactly that - an isolated story, and keeping that in mind, you can say it was well told. Also, RE4 didn't take itself so seriously, hence the Leon lines and the humor. And that worked brilliantly because RE4 wasn't as serious as the REmake for example. It wasn't even trying and that was made clear.

This is where RE5 totally failed, simply because of all that hype and the fact RE5 took itself so seriously. Ironically, it turned into a big tasteless joke. There was a promise many questions would be answered, a promise of a really good story, since RE5 had that potential with its cast. Nothing like that happened. That was the most random and superficial story I've ever seen. There was no story, just action. No suspense either, no tension, nothing. It was just shooting.

With RE4 the picture was different. There were moments when I was scared (Verdugo), there was great atmosphere (the village and the castle), there was tension, and then there was the action, which itself was much better presented than the action in RE5. Example: the El Gigante fight. It was indeed one of the best fights in RE4, and I can't believe what they turned it into in RE5. You are shooting at a living piece of flesh with a minigun for like 10 minutes and nothing happens to it. This is worse than Survivor.

RE4 had great locations with great atmosphere. No, not as good as the mansion or Raccoon City, but I remembered them. The village was awesome, and so was the castle. I don't remember much from RE5, it was all very forgettable. Very random. They really messed everything up.

Oh, and the bosses. Please let's not talk about that. RE4 didn't have one bad boss. That was the game with the best bosses of all REs and it's one of the things I love about RE4 the most. All the bosses were simply amazing. Great design, very enjoyable fights. Need I name them? Dr. Salvador, the Bella Sisters, Del Lago, El Gigante, Bitores Mendez, Garrador, Verdugo, the El Gigante Brothers, Salazar, U3, Krauser, Lord Saddler.

Dr. Salvador was great because he could cut your head off before you knew it. Same goes for the Bella Sisters. Hey, where's the fun if they stop before you and wait for a minute before swinging that chainsaw? And how ridiculous is it to shoot them in the face with a shotgun to see it doesn't affect them that much? It's a shot in the face man! With a shotgun! React!

Del Lago had great design. It didn't look like Godzilla the way a certain RE5 boss does.

El Gigante... No comment.

Bitores Mendez. The best boss in RE4. Incredible design for all forms.

Garrador. Awesome design again.

Verdugo. Now that was the real scare in RE4. When I played it for the first time I was really terrified by Verdugo. Everything from the tension to the music to the actual appearance of Verdugo and the fight with it...everything was perfect. And again, the design of the boss itself.

The El Gigante Brothers. So good. And creepy. Especially the masked one.

Salazar. Brilliant. You actually got to know who the hell that guy was before he mutated. And he didn't just inject himself before jumping in the water and turning into Godzilla in less than a minute. And by the time I got to fight Salazar I actually really hated him and wanted to fight him. In RE5, Salazar's equivalent is pathetic. That was one of the worst moments in RE5 when I played it. It was when I realized RE5 was a joke. I didn't care about that stupid character at all! Why would I want to see him turn into Godzilla and fight him without any build up before that whatsoever?? That really made me hate RE5!

U3, sickest boss in RE4, awesome design. Krauser, absolutely great character that I actually cared about. They didn't need to make Chris like Krauser by the way. The muscles suit a character like Krauser, but they look ridiculous and so ugly on Chris. Awful, a big big turn off.

Saddler. Not a big fan of him, but he wasn't bad. And he couldn't teleport himself (or move really fast, whatever).

Now RE4 didn't kill the series. I'm not a big fan of the big change RE4 introduced, but RE4 was still RE. RE5 is a step back. They didn't top RE4, they just couldn't I guess. Resident Evil 4 was absolutely amazing, and the only problem I have with it is that it's very different from the rest of the Resident Evil games. Now RE5 is very different from the rest of the Resident Evil games AND worse than RE4. A step back. It's just not such a good game. Not that enjoyable. It's clear it's not a good RE game, but why would I even call it a RE game in the first place? The name, the characters...sorry, but that's hardly a good enough reason. They screwed up the characters, they took out the typewriters, they turned everything into action. Action that's much more than the action in RE4. Action that's terribly presented. I mean, RE5 took off as a great game. There was the exploration and the mystery at first. I loved it in the beginning and felt like it would be a great RE. And then it turned into a mindless shooter, no story unfolded as I went, nothing pulled you inside and got you involved. This is what happens when Resident Evil meets Hollywood. Everything is focused on how the game looks. Eye candy. RE5 is, sadly, a very superficial game.

About Jill, I just didn't see her. I saw no Jill. She seems like a random character now, and the hair is a big weight on that balance. The balance of forgettability.

Resident Evil 5 is a forgettable blockbuster sequel. It's a very expensive Survivor that takes advantage of the main RE story and characters, only to ruin them for the sake of cheap action and eye candy.

And finally, Jun Takeuchi is an idiot. I am simply stating it and I refuse to back this with arguments.

[Jill's Boob]

I think it's finally time for me to accept Resident Evil 3 was the last game in the series. At least for me. I've made up my mind now.

No you haven't, you'll defend RE4 in just a few posts from now.


I just really hate Jill's hair now. A blonde ponytail? This is ridiculous. Seriously, I can't stand it and I hate it they changed her hair like that. The hair is giving me a headache.


I am so sick of people calling Jill names because of her RE3 clothes. But I've said what I had to say about that already. The change of her hair is ridiculous. Just like 80% of RE5. But Jill's hair hardly matters anymore, since Resident Evil is officially dead now. Dead.


Yes, I am blinded by fanboyism.

You said that sarcastically, but it is the most logical thing you've said so far.


I never said it was unreasonable. I don't care if it makes sense. It's stupid. It's ugly. I hate it.

Jill's blonde hair pisses me off enormously. RE5 has enough of everything to completely destroy Resident Evil. Then there's Jill and her pathetic look. It's a joke, everything. Such a cheap way to steal people's money. Such a lame way to end RE. I'm not talking about Jill's hair now. That was just a lame way to end Jill. The hair was just the most obvious flaw. Superficial? I would say Jill's hair color was probably the deepest thing about RE5. Say whatever you like now, I really don't care anymore.

Okay...you rant & rave about Jill's hair, using it to validate your claim that RE is "dead." Why the fuck do you care so much about Jill's hair? It's not like she mutated into a blob or died. Her. Hair. Lost. Its. Pigmentation. If Jill's hair alone is what elevates her to God-like status in your eyes, then you are truly deranged. She's a video game character. Did you overreact to RE3 when it featured her without her beret?


Are you all blind? Don't you realize? Resident Evil is dead. RE5 was a joke. They made fun of you. They stole your money. Forget Jill's hair, that was just ugly and that's it. I hate it, but that's about it. But what really matters is that Resident Evil died. It really did. Don't you care? I care about that more than I care about Jill's hair as ugly as it is. Why do we even bother discussing anything anymore? RE is dead.

I don't know, why bother discussing it anymore? Yet you keep a comin' back. We all just hope that you'll go away now, since RE is "dead." But nope, here you are - again and again - whining about Jill's hair even though you keep saying her hair color isn't really why you're angry.


I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

How about you just go away?


I really don't care about Jill. Seriously, the hair just pissed me off before I actually played RE5. After that I didn't care anymore.

Really? Then why do you keep bringing her up? Repeatedly?


I'm sorry I had to post this now.

So are we. Please cease & desist.

Anyway, nice argument for RE4. Too bad I didn't bother reading it since you said earlier that RE3 was the "last game in the series [for you]."

You have an identity crisis. You can't decide why you truly hate RE5 other than for Jill's hair color. Congrats.

[Rakkoon]

:)

I'm sorry, but I am not going to have another discussion with you.

The fact that someone doesn't understand my words and loves to take sentences out of the context is not my problem at all.

[ValentineKnight]

So Mikami made RE which means that anything that's RE that he didn't make is shit?Please...just because he didn't make RE5 doesn't mean it sucks yes RE4 is generally regarded as the best in the series but to alot of people it was a turn-off and to them RE5 saved the series from obscurity by making it interesting again and I thank Jun for trying his best to make RE5 appealing to RE4 fans and the older fans so I say keep em coming Jun.It's just like people who say MGS won't be MGS without Kojima even though he has constantly bitched and moaned about wanting to not make any more MGS so I think a new director will help the series ALOT but when MGS5 comes out people are going to bash it simply cause Kojima didn't make it...

[Rakkoon]

MGS is Kojima. It's his. If he wants to end it, it ends. That's it.

I don't know how you can say RE5 is the best RE since REmake. I guess as much as people are alike, they differ significantly. RE5 is not even a RE to me. I am an old fan and it certainly doesn't appeal to me. I even like RE4, but RE5 still doesn't appeal to me. I know many people feel the same way, and I know people who have been fans of the game since 1996 and feel exactly like I do. I've been a RE fan since 1998, and I can tell you, the first 3 REs were the best storywise and atmosphere-wise. The best RE games. The REmake is the definition of Resident Evil. RE4 is the new RE, vastly different, not perfect, not great storywise, but a great game nonetheless. And it can be called Resident Evil. Now change the name of RE5 and you have a whole new game. 8/10 if you give it a different name. 6/10 if you keep the RE title.

[Jill's Boob]

RE4 is the new RE, vastly different, not perfect, not great storywise, but a great game nonetheless. And it can be called Resident Evil. Now change the name of RE5 and you have a whole new game.

Credibility is officially gone.

[Mr_Zombie]

RE4 is the new RE, vastly different, not perfect, not great storywise, but a great game nonetheless. And it can be called Resident Evil. Now change the name of RE5 and you have a whole new game.

Wait, what? o_o I don't follow you.

RE4: totally new gameplay, new storyline and the only connection to previous titles was Leon and Ada (just their names, because those were different characters than the ones we know from RE2) - you can call it Resident Evil, yay!

RE5: a game that follows RE4 gameplay but actually tries to connect RE4 storyline with previous titles and continues the story of Chris, Jill, Wesker, Umbrella and its viruses - here you can just change the title and have a whole new (different?) game.

Wow, just... wow.

[Bertha]

anyways, i didn't like Jill as much as i did previously. but she was the best character in RE5 nonetheless, and then Excella after that.

She was only in the game for a sum of about 4 minutes maybe...and she's the best character? Please...please give me some of your drugs. Spencer was a much better character than Jill was in this game. Jill was a plot point and a marketing tool. That's about it. Had she actually died, I think it would have made the game about 10 times better. I adore Jill and I'm saying that. And bitching about her hair...come on...now you're just bitching for the sake of hearing yourself bitch.



Excella Gionne summed it up perfectly with this line of dialogue from RE5:

"Jill, Jill, Jill. You're like a broken record."

Speaks volumes about this thread, and certain fanatical fans.

I lol'd.


"I'm tired of your BULLSHIT!" *injects needle*

best line, ever!!!! the Excella one was pretty good too lol.

I believe the line is "I've had enough of your bullshit!". XD

[ValentineKnight]

RE5's gameplay is almost exactly like 4's and storywise RE5 had a bigger connection to past REs than RE4"seriously RE4's plot and characters where about the equalization to those of a James Bond film",So I don't know how you can say RE5 is a whole new game.

[Sonicboy 101]

I actually didn't mind Jill's change in hair colour.

/tries to be different

[Rakkoon]

Have you guys played RE5? I mean, really. I didn't think I would need to explain this at all. Come on, it's so obvious.

You are simply looking at bare facts, not reading between the lines.

The facts are: RE4 doesn't follow the RE story and has a different gameplay from the old REs. RE5 has the gameplay of RE4, but (supposedly) follows the RE story.

That's bare facts. It doesn't come down to just facts you know. Look closer.

RE4 can still be called RE, because they didn't mess everything up like they did in RE5 -DESPITE- RE4 being vastly different from the classic RE. RE5 has the same gameplay as RE4, but everything is presented terribly. Action, story, everything. It's supposed to have a real RE story, but the story unfolds in the worst way possible, you don't feel involved at all. So that story counts for nothing. You can say, 'it's part of the old RE story with the original RE characters', but it's told terribly and the characters are ruined. I felt like there was no story at all.

The atmosphere. RE4 had it, and RE5 lacked so much in that department. It really didn't feel like a RE game. RE4 did, to a point, DESPITE having a separate story with new characters. The game was well presented, well thought, well designed. It felt like a RE game more than RE5, thus RE5 having the same gameplay like RE4, but failing to present the story properly and relying solely on looks and action is a huge step back. RE5 had the potential to be really great, and it actually started off as something great, but then failed miserably. In the end, it was very random, very forgettable, very weak. It wasn't even fun. In RE4 Leon was fun because he talked crap, while in RE5 Chris barely said anything. Instead of a character, we got a Mr. Olympia with a shirt that doesn't fit.

So, ultimately, RE4 has what it takes to still be called RE (not to say it's as good as the original RE), and RE5 certainly had that potential. It failed though. It didn't live up to its name.

[Bertha]

I actually didn't mind Jill's change in hair colour.

/tries to be different

I didn't mind it either. I think, for the most part, people that dislike it are the uberfans that see the entire series as being about Jill and the idea that she should always be the same. The reason for the change makes sense.


Have you guys played RE5? I mean, really. I didn't think I would need to explain this at all. Come on, it's so obvious.

You are simply looking at bare facts, not reading between the lines.

That's bare facts. It doesn't come down to just facts you know. Look closer.
blah blah blah.

RE4's story did follow the series. The virus/parasites were all about evolution. Each game brought new enemies into play with new approaches on how they were created. Parasites were not used for the first time in RE4, however it was the first time that parasitic infections were common place. How did RE4 not follow the main story? It had been 6 years since Raccoon City...people were looking into new ways to create bioweapons.

Re5 expands on how the early years of research brought on everything that happened through the games. Your argument fails in many points. Saying Leon was a better character than Chris because he talked crap is idiotic. Chris does not equal Leon. He's a lot more mature and reserved. He thought he lost his long time partner. He's not going to be happy go lucky or cracking some stupid remark at every turn.

[ValentineKnight]

I thought Chris in RE5 was cooler than Leon in RE4 :D


I didn't mind it either. I think, for the most part, people that dislike it are the uberfans that see the entire series as being about Jill and the idea that she should always be the same. The reason for the change makes sense.

me neither I was just scared Jill wouldn't be recognisable with blonde hair...:nervous:

[Rakkoon]

Chris does not equal Leon. He's a lot more mature and reserved. He thought he lost his long time partner. He's not going to be happy go lucky or cracking some stupid remark at every turn.

I completely agree. And that suggests the game should be more serious. But it's not. It's a joke. At least RE4 didn't take itself so seriously. Hence the RE4 Leon. What I meant about Chris was that I wasn't involved and I didn't even care about his character. It was like he wasn't even there. Hence it would have even been better for him to say something stupid just for the sake of the player's enjoyment. It's a joke already, so at least make it funny. That's how I felt.

By being a separate story I meant RE4's story wasn't directly connected to the original RE story, so it was okay for the game to be different. However, it still had a RE feeling to it. Now, RE5 just wasn't what we were made to believe it would be. The feeling was that of a different game, not a RE game. On top of that, the story was weak while it was supposed to be one of the greatest RE stories ever. RE4 wasn't trying to do that, it was meant to be a different type of Resident Evil in the first place. Now RE5 'tries' to unite the two types of RE, but because of the way it is presented, it fails.

[A-J]

Chris does not equal Leon

in-fact Chris > Leon

while Leon could only jump lasers and perform backflips, Chris can knock massive boulders which probably weigh a few tons away by the simple act of PUNCHING them.

[CODE_umb87]

Does anyone know exactly why Jill's hair turned blonde? I wonder if she's going to stay like that forever.

[aris13]

A file in the game explains her hair colour. Also she has her natural hair in the mercenaries mode.

[CODE_umb87]

I must have missed it, where do you find the file?

[aris13]

It's not a file actually. You can find the information after the boss fight with U8, just investigate the computer on the evevator.

[News Bot]

I completely agree. And that suggests the game should be more serious. But it's not. It's a joke. At least RE4 didn't take itself so seriously. Hence the RE4 Leon. What I meant about Chris was that I wasn't involved and I didn't even care about his character. It was like he wasn't even there. Hence it would have even been better for him to say something stupid just for the sake of the player's enjoyment. It's a joke already, so at least make it funny. That's how I felt.

By being a separate story I meant RE4's story wasn't directly connected to the original RE story, so it was okay for the game to be different. However, it still had a RE feeling to it. Now, RE5 just wasn't what we were made to believe it would be. The feeling was that of a different game, not a RE game. On top of that, the story was weak while it was supposed to be one of the greatest RE stories ever. RE4 wasn't trying to do that, it was meant to be a different type of Resident Evil in the first place. Now RE5 'tries' to unite the two types of RE, but because of the way it is presented, it fails.

Your arguments make very little sense.

It seems as though you went in with very specific wants from RE5 and when one didn't meet your expectations you decide to diss the whole game based on that.

RE5 > RE4 and has one of the best storylines in the series with an excellent atmosphere and feels much more like an actual RE game than RE4. Great characters, great plot, great music, great atmosphere, great acting.


enjoyment

I'd be worried if you found enjoyment out of the RE4 script. That's just a new kind of weird.

Also fuck Jill.

[Rakkoon]

Your arguments make very little sense.

It seems as though you went in with very specific wants from RE5 and when one didn't meet your expectations you decide to diss the whole game based on that.

RE5 > RE4 and has one of the best storylines in the series with an excellent atmosphere and feels much more like an actual RE game than RE4. Great characters, great plot, great music, great atmosphere, great acting.



I'd be worried if you found enjoyment out of the RE4 script. That's just a new kind of weird.

Also fuck Jill.

I found enjoyment in RE4. I found enjoyment in Leon's lines. I did. Any sane person with a sense of humor would. I'd be worried if someone didn't find it funny when Leon would say something to piss Salazar off, for example.

I'm sorry, but I really don't see a great story in RE5. I see no story. It felt so random, it was presented terribly. The atmosphere and level design is also terrible. For most of the time, that is, but enough to ruin everything. I don't know how you can consider the atmosphere good, much less great. The locations were terrible, for most of the time. The characters didn't make me feel involved, and the cutscenes were all about eye candy. God, everything was so randomly thrown in the mix that it didn't make any sense at all. And that's a game that took itself super seriously. I guess it was all overhyped, and it just didn't live up to the expectations and the name on the box cover. I keep failing to understand how someone can screw up a game with RE5's potential. Ironically, someone really did.

[rehunk88]

at least chris is way cooler instead of all those one liners it gets to silly but with chris in re 5 we actully saw great emotions from him where chris whould show emotion leon whould say ( NO i got gum) XD heheh baaah

[Jill's Boob]

This "Rakoon" character is just here to bash RE5. His/her arguments started in this thread - the "Jill Valentine" thread - with complaints about Jill's appearance. He/she claimed that the series ended with RE3.

When he/she was called out on it, the argument shifted to how RE4 is suddenly better than RE5. "Rakoon" is just here to badmouth RE5 at every turn.

His/her arguments are incoherent, and don't have anything to do with this thread anymore. It's just about spreading the hate for RE5.

[rehunk88]

im with you there jills boob that person in only there to say shit !

[News Bot]

I don't think Rakkoon actually thinks before speaking. I mean, how in the sweet name of lord can you stand Leon's ridiculous and out-of-character lines in RE4? The script in that game is on par with the original Resident Evil. An absolute waste of otherwise great acting talent.

You keep bashing RE5's story by comparing it to RE4's story, which is inconceivable considering RE4 didn't really have a very coherent one. Filled with inconsistencies and complete and utter randomness. RE5 at least explained everything it was meant to instead of leaving it all in the dark, giving reasons for Jill's change in appearance and incredible athletic ability with a very reasonable excuse. Not only that, it actually attempted to correct past series mistakes and did so rather well, even going so far as to correct a rather large RE2/RE3 plot hole about the military blockade around Raccoon City, and gave a reasonable backstory to Wesker and cleared up the ridiculous Wesker Virus aspect.

Whether you like it or not is your personal thing, but don't talk shit about it for the sake of talking shit with incoherent arguments and utter ridiculousness.

[ValentineKnight]

back to Jill...Anyone else but me think she looks like Trinity from the Matrix now? :P

[Bertha]

back to Jill...Anyone else but me think she looks like Trinity from the Matrix now? :P

She reminded me more of Nina from Tekken or an older Fiona Belli from Haunting Ground. I think Capcom is incapable of making blondes that don't in some way look alike.


If anyone has the RE5 special guide, it even says in the back of the book where the interview section is that RE4 was more like a SIDE STORY. Doubt that will ever shut anyone up though. I mean there was already an interview posted a while back that stated many on the RE production team thought 4's story was weak.

[ValentineKnight]

I meant her ponytail and leather look like trinity's :lol: anyway yeah she does kinda look like nina...except her face:D

[A-J]

She reminded me more of Nina from Tekken or an older Fiona Belli from Haunting Ground. I think Capcom is incapable of making blondes that don't in some way look alike.




ditto.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Everyone, let's stay on topic and keep it civil. Rakkoon, this thread is about Jill Valentine, not Resident Evil 5.

I was personally impressed with Jill's character in Resi 5, I found it wrapped up her story very well and it added depth to her and Chris' relationship. I really liked her BSAA outfit as well, it reminded me of the old S.T.A.R.S uniform.

[Sina]

Besides, to turn your argument on it's head, I think her catsuit in RE5 was far more conspicuous. Which would have turned the most heads on a street? I don't think I have to answer that one for you. At least, I hope not.
Right, but the difference being Jill didn't wear a catsuit when she was walking around the streets of her hometown, now did she? The whole point of the RE3 outfit was to show Jill in her civilian clothing. Compairing that to an outfit Wesker probably had custom made for her so she could act as his ninja servant is kind of a daft argument.


This sina person has douchebag troll written all over them. Mini skirt and tubetop is prostitute clothing? You need to get out more as I have friends that have those kind of clothing in their wardrobe and its far from prostitute clothing.
I can't believe people are trying to defend the reasoning behind RE3 Jill's choice of outfit when facing down an entire city full of zombies. STILL. You're acting like I'm the only person on the planet who thought Jill's outfit was retarded. It's obvious you're defending it because you love Jill, but for no other reasonable reason. I know they were going for sex appeal when designing her and you'll use that as an argument, but there's a difference between sexy and skanky, and you can pull off sexy and plausible, but they didn't even try. She's not even wearing a fucking bra!

But anyway, I wasn't trying to get a rise out of people, I was merely pointing out that what they did with Jill in RE5 made her an alot more interesting character. I like Jill now, but thought she was kind of generic before.

Rakkoon:

Seriously, you give Shinji Mikami way too much credit. He directed the original Resident Evil, a game NOTORIOUS for the worst written dialogue in the history of mankind. Granted, that was acceptable for 1996, but it was clear he knows how to design gameplay, but as far as how to tell a story goes he's not special.

Resident Evil 2, seen by most as the best game in the series, was NOT directed by Shinji Mikami, and it's clear the dialogue and storytelling is way improved.

Resident Evil 3 and Resident Evil: code veronica. Same thing. Not Shinji Mikami's direction.

Shinji Mikami came back SIX YEARS LATER and took the reigns of Resident Evil: Remake, and the dialogue and story were matured abit, but that couldn't've been too difficult. And then he decided he was tired of the RE story arc and started afresh with RE4.

Giving credit where credit's due, as far as game design, level design, enemy design, boss encounter design RE4 was fantastic. It was highly regarded as one of the best games of the decade as far as playability, and the over the shoulder view was something many games copied in the following years after its release, including RE5. RE4 was an amazing game, gameplay wise, and noone can dispute that, and I find it sad that people try to just cause Rakkoon is a whiny crybaby. As far as story development and dialogue goes, RE4 was sorely lacking.

So if you wanna look at the overall series, other than starting it, Shinji Mikami doesn't have as much to do with the success of the series as you seem to think. Mikami cutting off the story right at its climax did alot of damage to the series, like killing off Umbrella in a few sentences. The games since RE4, including RE5, have done their best to bridge the giant gap left by RE4. That being said, the stories in Umbrella chronicles did their own damage aswell. Red Queen? TALOS? *Sigh*

Overall, RE5 did a great job mending the story. I'm sorry you're so madly in love and obsessed with the pure Jill valentine that her new hair colour blinded you from what made RE5 a good game.

[ValentineKnight]

um yeah well really none of the Re characters outfits fit the situation and if you think Jill's RE3 outfit was skanky I'd love to know what you think of Clarie and Ada's Re2 outfits and Ada's outfit in RE4 as she was showing more skin than Jill in that game.

[Jill's Boob]

I thought Jill was handled fairly well in RE5. I've always liked her (2nd fave character) but I don't see where some of her "fanatical" fans act as if she is this fully developed character. Sure, she's made the most appearances out of all characters (in RE games & other media), but all RE heroes are pretty much empty shells. This series has never been particularly good at character development.

Her hair color was never a problem for me. It is satisfactorily explained in game, and it certainly is not game-shattering (like it appears to be to some people).

I fully expect to see a Jill game in the future as DLC, akin to "Separate Ways." It is set up perfectly when Jill contacts Chris about Wesker's injections. Jill is winded, and she talks about escaping. So I think after Chris and Sheva abandon Jill in the Monarch room, Jill makes her way to the rendezvous with Josh. And there are some levels for Mercs that aren't from the main game, so maybe those will be used.

One thing that interests me is just how close Chris & Jill are...it has always been pretty ambiguous in these games, and then becomes the sole driving force in this game. I mean, Chris's whole motivation was to reunite with Jill. And then they do...and it is subpar. They did a lot of staring into each other's eyes and not saying much. Then at the end, we don't even get to see (at the very least) a real hug.

The two worked together for a long time, and Jill's "death" haunted Chris. He kept looking for her, and when he did find her, he didn't want to let her go again. She even had to shake him out of it, as he was willing to "let millions of people die" just to stay with her. Haha.

Anyway, I would have liked to see some epilogue files or something. Do Chris & Jill go back to being "partners" (the word means a couple of things)? Do they retire? What happens?

[Vector]

This post contains RE5 spoilers. If you don't wanna know, don't read it. I'm not gonna spoiler tag every other sentence.


um yeah well really none of the Re characters outfits fit the situation and if you think Jill's RE3 outfit was skanky I'd love to know what you think of Clarie and Ada's Re2 outfits and Ada's outfit in RE4 as she was showing more skin than Jill in that game.

No shit. They all look the way they do and wear what they wear for sex appeal. Selling copies. Selling sex. That's it. I was playing Mercenaries with Rosetta last night, playing as Battle Suit Jill(or Slut-Suit Jill) and staring at her ass the whole time. I thought out loud, "Why does her ass have to be so perfect? Why does she have such an awesome rack and amazing cleavage?" And Rosetta answered me, "sex appeal." And that's all there is to it.

It's the same thing for Ada in RE4. Sex appeal.
Although, Ada and Claire in RE2 weren't nearly as bad as some of the other slutty outfits this series has flaunted.


I thought Jill was handled fairly well in RE5.

I have to disagree here. There's no doubting that she's a main character of this series, and in RE5 she was nothing more than a shitty plot device and an advertising tool. The trailers said "Jill's dead." OMFG, she's dead?! NO WAI!! I guarantee some people bought this game just because Jill was in it(won't name names here *cough*)...and that's what Capcom wanted. And so, yes, she was indeed in the game. When Wesker pulled back that hood, the fan in me geeked out, and I'm pretty sure I might've said "JILL!" out loud...but you'll have to ask my partner. While she was indeed in the game, she was in it for all of what, 11 minutes? 7 possible minutes of the battle with Wesker(although she spends most of her time bouncing around in other rooms when I fight her), plus maybe 3-4 minutes of cutscene time? It made me a little sad. Sheva replaced her as Chris's partner, and Jill's main character status was replaced by her status as a plot device. :(


Sure, she's made the most appearances out of all characters (in RE games & other media), but all RE heroes are pretty much empty shells. This series has never been particularly good at character development.

Exactly. And that's upsetting. No character development, ever. I would've loved to see more emotion from Chris when he found out Jill was alive, and then again when he saved her. But no...nothing. I'll have more on that later in this post.


Her hair color was never a problem for me. It is satisfactorily explained in game, and it certainly is not game-shattering (like it appears to be to some people).

The argument and outrage over her hair color is retarded and unnecessary. End of story. As you said, it was explained well, and isn't really that much of a big deal at all. She was blonde and pale. So freakin' what.


I fully expect to see a Jill game in the future as DLC, akin to "Separate Ways." It is set up perfectly when Jill contacts Chris about Wesker's injections. Jill is winded, and she talks about escaping. So I think after Chris and Sheva abandon Jill in the Monarch room, Jill makes her way to the rendezvous with Josh. And there are some levels for Mercs that aren't from the main game, so maybe those will be used.

Interesting...that would definitely be cool. I'd like to see something starring either Jill or hell, even Josh Stone. I was pleasantly surprised with Josh. He was a pretty cool ancillary character, and he clearly has an emotional connection with Sheva...it would be nice to maybe play as him.


One thing that interests me is just how close Chris & Jill are...it has always been pretty ambiguous in these games, and then becomes the sole driving force in this game. I mean, Chris's whole motivation was to reunite with Jill. And then they do...and it is subpar. They did a lot of staring into each other's eyes and not saying much. Then at the end, we don't even get to see (at the very least) a real hug.

The two worked together for a long time, and Jill's "death" haunted Chris. He kept looking for her, and when he did find her, he didn't want to let her go again. She even had to shake him out of it, as he was willing to "let millions of people die" just to stay with her. Haha.

This part really pissed me off. Two long years of thinking she was dead, then finding out she might be alive, then finding out she IS alive but trying to kick your ass, and then SAVING her and having her 'back,' and he didn't even fucking hug her. I was talking to my TV at the point when he was holding her up, looking down at her. "Kiss her, Chris! Kiss her, goddamn it!" But no. No kiss. No hug. No caressing of her cheek with the back of his hand. No brushing the hair out of her face. Not even a punch on the arm, "hey partner, welcome back!" NOTHING. Ugh. And THEN, when they're on the chopper at the end, they're sitting on opposite sides! WTF was that?! Wouldn't he want to be as close to her as possible?

I can't blame Chris for not making a move. It's all on Capcom.

[Gradon]

One word, vagina. :lol:
Also, her hair colour was EXPLAINED?
Do tell, I must have missed something?

[Vector]

One word, vagina. :lol:
Also, her hair colour was EXPLAINED?
Do tell, I must have missed something?

Investigate the computer on the elevator after you fight U-8.

[Sina]

um yeah well really none of the Re characters outfits fit the situation and if you think Jill's RE3 outfit was skanky I'd love to know what you think of Clarie and Ada's Re2 outfits and Ada's outfit in RE4 as she was showing more skin than Jill in that game.
As for Raccoon City, Claire was just going to visit her brother. Ada was a spy pretending to be a civilian. Jill knew there was a zombie outbreak in the streets, and while in her apartment collecting her weapons preparing for her "last escape", she opened her closet and said: "hmm, what would be appropriate for an adventure climbing out of the rubble and chaos of this city while killing hordes of zombies? My police uniform? Maybe even just a pair of jeans and a jacket? Oooh! My miniskirt and these fab kneehigh boots. Oh! And that tubetop is just sooo cute. I guess I'll have that sweater around my waist incase it gets nippy later. Hmm, maybe I should wear a sportsbra or something since I have to run and stuff. Nah, fuck that noise, girl's gotta look sexy! Zombies, prepare to be dazzled!"

Ada's outfit in RE4 was retarded too, maybe even more so, but this is a Jill topic. There are alot of outfits in the RE series that raise more than a few eyebrows, but what makes Jill's special is the horde of obsessive fanatics intent on defending it to the death from any critisism.


"Kiss her, Chris! Kiss her, goddamn it!" But no. No kiss. No hug. No caressing of her cheek with the back of his hand. No brushing the hair out of her face. Not even a punch on the arm, "hey partner, welcome back!" NOTHING. Ugh.
Guh... We should all be happy you're not a writer for Capcom. I thought that moment was handled very naturally, given the situation. Chris cradling her after she collapsed was enough of a gesture to show his concern. Granted, I wasn't sure what was going to happen in the scene. I thought there was a good chance Jill was going to die after the "I'm so sorry...", so the tension of that really sold Chris's caution. And you forget that Jill and Chris are not fuck-buddies. Their relationship is more of an army brotherhood loyalty bond kind of thing, so while they obviously care for eachother deeply, why the hell would they kiss?

The moment is interrupted when Jill, who's been forced to listen to Wesker's plan for who knows how long, snaps out of her suffering to ensure Chris knows the seriousness of the situation. While it's great they're together again and all, the entire world is at stake. I think she sold that really well. Amazing scene in my opinion.

As for her hair colour, I thought that was a great way to make her feel corrupted and evil, that she'd gone through alot, and that this wasn't the same Jill you were fighting, that she had been changed. It really made the whole thing kinda tragic, but dramatic in that way.

[ValentineKnight]

Chris I know I was just curious what he thought of the other outfits considering he seemed to LOVE to bash Jill's outfit saying it didn't fit the situation and what not...and yeah I would have loved Chris and Jill to have a moment...(ChrisxJill fan here) and Sina some people think Chris and Jill's bond is deeper than just "friends"(considering the games seem to really hint at it and RE5 even more so) hence why we would have liked to have seen something.Also stop bashing people

[Zimdictive]

One word, vagina. :lol:
Also, her hair colour was EXPLAINED?
Do tell, I must have missed something?

Yah. Seems to shoot Sina out of the sky, also. Interesting from generic, eh? (Seems you've got that backward.) If this was 4chan I'd ignore you, but, since you're being serious - let me laugh even harder. Oh, lolCapcom. They actually added that to the battle suit's skin.

Meh, if you want something done right, do it yourself. I'll still play the series, but it took a serious dive with 4. This has recouped it somewhat... playing with Japanese guys on Mercs was a hell load of fun (everyone else I played sucked awfully, except a couple of French guys), but it's not Resident Evil any longer. Just like no Alien after Aliens was a true continuation. Much the same scenario, also; from the likes of Scott and Cameron, we take a massive dive in favour of the pockets of Fox execs.

Anyway. I do wish BSAA Jill's kit in Mercs was any good. And, RE5 Jill might not look a whole like RE3 Jill, but, on close inspection, she looks very similar to the renderings of Remake/UC Jill. And the brown roots is a nice touch - I didn't notice. I kind of rushed my play through.

I keenly anticipate news of RE6. Hoping aside, I'd put money down on who I think willl be lead or at least playable, judging from RE5's direction.

[Vector]

Guh... We should all be happy you're not a writer for Capcom. I thought that moment was handled very naturally, given the situation. Chris cradling her after she collapsed was enough of a gesture to show his concern. Granted, I wasn't sure what was going to happen in the scene. I thought there was a good chance Jill was going to die after the "I'm so sorry...", so the tension of that really sold Chris's caution. And you forget that Jill and Chris are not fuck-buddies. Their relationship is more of an army brotherhood loyalty bond kind of thing, so while they obviously care for eachother deeply, why the hell would they kiss?

I'll admit, it was the uber-fan in me that was talking to the TV.

The fan in me wanted to see a kiss. A hug. Eyes welling up. Anything. Any showing of emotion from Chris to solidify the last two years of his life, hunting down Jill's possible whereabouts. Think about it...your partner/good friend/possible love interest "dies" right before your eyes. You'd be torn up. You'd be horrified. You'd be haunted. And it looks like Chris was all of these things. Then, he finds out she's alive. THEN, she fights and tries to kill him. THEN he saves her, and she's officially back, alive, in his arms, and he does...nothing? He's spent all this time, he dedicated himself to finding her(as Excella said, "Jill, Jill, Jill. You're like a broken record.") and then...nothing. "Oh. You're alive. Hi Jill."

A warm embrace would've sufficed.


The moment is interrupted when Jill, who's been forced to listen to Wesker's plan for who knows how long, snaps out of her suffering to ensure Chris knows the seriousness of the situation. While it's great they're together again and all, the entire world is at stake. I think she sold that really well. Amazing scene in my opinion.

It was a great scene, but like I said, I would've liked to have seen more emotion. That scene was powerful but it could've been even more powerful if Chris made it seem more...real. And okay, the world was at an end, that's a given...but even in the helicopter after everything's ship-shape, they don't even sit next to each other. I dunno. I just wanted to see more...and I doubt I'm alone in this.

Yeah. At the bare minimum, they're partners. It's a "professional" relationship, say whatever you want. They've worked together for almost 10 years, and formed a bond over that time. There's no interest between the two of them at all? None of the past memories and things they've experienced TOGETHER would've made Chris want to show some emotion towards her?

[ValentineKnight]

Chris trust me you're not, I wanted Chris and Jill to have babies after this game :lol: :D

[Sina]

So let me get this straight. You have this fantasy that Chris and Jill are lovers because of "hints", and now you didn't like the RE5 scene between Jill and Chris because it pretty much makes it clear they're just friends? You can't blame the RE5 writers for not catering to something you've concocted in your imagination.

Anyway, you said it yourself. You want there to be something more. There are people out there utterly convinced Frodo and Sam are lovers, and while the LOTR movies certainly seem to hint at that, you can be damn sure the writers didn't have that intention.

And while the overall Resident Evil writing is alot of things, one thing it is not is subtle. If there was a romantic relationship between Jill and Chris they certainly wouldn't've made it vague.

Now I'm not saying they would never have romantic thoughts about eachother. Realistically they probably do have feelings for eachother that go alittle further than friendship, but you're saying they're basically a couple, and that Chris should've reacted as if Jill was his girlfriend lying in his arms. I just don't think that would've made sense.

I thought a nice touch you haven't mentioned was after the Jill scene when Chris and Sheva leave the elevator to go to the boat, and Chris sort of hangs back abit and seems sort of shellshocked over what just happened, until Sheva asks if he's ok. I thought that spoke volumes of how much Jill's return meant to him, and how fucked up what just happened was.

As for the chopper ride, I think the writers just didn't want to cut Sheva out of the scene by making it about Jill/Chris all of a sudden. He's sitting infront of both his partners in equality. I just don't see the scene working if Chris sat next to Jill, her had leaning against his shoulder, and Sheva looking on from the opposite side like some abandoned puppy when the entire game had been about Chris/Sheva up until then.

[CODE_umb87]

I thought that moment was handled very naturally, given the situation. Chris cradling her after she collapsed was enough of a gesture to show his concern. Granted, I wasn't sure what was going to happen in the scene. I thought there was a good chance Jill was going to die after the "I'm so sorry...", so the tension of that really sold Chris's caution. And you forget that Jill and Chris are not fuck-buddies. Their relationship is more of an army brotherhood loyalty bond kind of thing, so while they obviously care for eachother deeply, why the hell would they kiss?

I completely agree. She was weak and injured and it just wouldn't seem right if Chris started making out with her. It also must have been very awkward for Chris having two partners. He seemed a little confused when Jill said, "Dont you trust your partner?".

[Jill's Boob]

First I'll address the ridiculous nature of female costumes. Yes, they are very much sexualized (RE3 Jill, RE4 Ada, catsuit Jill, tribal Sheva[at least this is an alternative costume]). Many, many pages back myself & others ripped on Jill's RE3 attire and how it made no sense for an ex-Delta Force/STARS agent to be running around a zombie infested city with slut attire. And as my avatar shows, the harlot didn't even wear a bra. Fan service? Yeah. But it should have been an alternative costume. Not the main costume of the game. Fucking stupid.

It continued in RE4 with Ada's skimpy dress as she swung around Spain like Spider-Man with her grappling gun. While Leon was cold enough to sport a jacket, Ada was happy wearing next to nothing. An Asian dress and heels. She's making gymnast landings in heels?! Jesus, that game's attempts to make the characters uber-cool absolutely ruins an otherwise fun (yet mindless) romp. Ada's attire in "Assignment Ada" was much more logical and suited for the mission at hand.

Another thing with scantily clad Ada & Jill...just where the hell do they store weapons, herbs, items? Are they doing like the "Pulp Fiction" hide the wristwatch method?

Jill's catsuit in RE5 didn't bother me. Sure it is skintight and shows off everything, but she wore it underneath the cloak most of the time. It also allowed her to be lithe. And it seems to be right up Wesker's alley for getting clothes tailor made.


I have to disagree here. There's no doubting that she's a main character of this series, and in RE5 she was nothing more than a shitty plot device and an advertising tool. The trailers said "Jill's dead." OMFG, she's dead?! NO WAI!! I guarantee some people bought this game just because Jill was in it(won't name names here *cough*)...and that's what Capcom wanted.

Sheva replaced her as Chris's partner, and Jill's main character status was replaced by her status as a plot device. :(

I don't necessarily see it that way. Jill has had plenty of exposure in the RE universe. This was Chris's story. Sure, Jill became a plot device in this game, but all along, these two have pretty much been together. In RE3, Jill was trying to escape RC to meet up with Chris. In the REUC Russian mission, they have teamed back up and are continuing their exploits from RE1. Chris & Jill were partners who helped form the BSAA and traveled the world together (as per the file in the Library).

Finding Jill became a driving force for Chris going to Africa. I don't have a problem with that. And the Spencer Estate flashback was very powerful.

Jill didn't have much screen time in RE5, and I'm okay with that. What little she did have was emotional and moving. Could her presence have been improved greatly? Yes. But this is RE, where character development has always taken a backseat.


Exactly. And that's upsetting. No character development, ever. I would've loved to see more emotion from Chris when he found out Jill was alive, and then again when he saved her. But no...nothing. I'll have more on that later in this post.

True. Their reunion should have been magnified. Chris spent 2 years searching for Jill, after having been her "partner" for 8 years. Plus, in the original RE1, they hold hands on the helo (PS1 version). Also, in the PS1 and REmake ending, when you fail to rescue Chris, watch the scene between Jill & Barry. It tells you something more may be going on. And Jill's epilogue from RE3. Also the jail cell hug in RE1 & REmake. Not to mention Chris's nodding when Sheva asks if he and Jill were close. Chris simply says "We were partners" but maybe he is just trying to be professional. And also, when Sheva asks if Chris knows for certain the woman in the picture is Jill, his response speaks volumes.

Anyway, my disappointment stems from the fact that Leon & Ada can fall in love & kiss just from knowing each other for a few hours, but no clear indication for Chris & Jill? Give me a fucking break.

Then again, it IS Leon. I mean, in RE4 alone, he's barely even been around Ashley for a few hours and she wants to fuck. And Leon barely spoke with Hunnigan via codec...err, I mean radio, and already he's hitting on her. Then he meets Angela Miller for a few hours and she's already dating him. Fucking ridiculous.


Interesting...that would definitely be cool. I'd like to see something starring either Jill or hell, even Josh Stone. I was pleasantly surprised with Josh. He was a pretty cool ancillary character, and he clearly has an emotional connection with Sheva...it would be nice to maybe play as him.

Yeah, I liked Josh as well. I could definitely see Jill & Josh teaming up in a Co-Op game, if Capcom chooses to make the future DLC game a co-op experience like the RE5 main game (if there is indeed a Jill "Separate Ways" game in the future). Personally, I'd rather it be a single player affair featuring Jill's escape to meet up with Josh and get on the helo to rescue Chris & Sheva.


I can't blame Chris for not making a move. It's all on Capcom.

Well, they didn't hug but they did a lot of staring into each other's eyes instead of talking. Sure, the reunion could have been more emotional and displayed more affection, but, this is Capcom. Again, I cite the Leon/Ada love forming in a few hours, and the Steve/Claire forced love plot. RE games feature terrible relationship angles. I'm sure that Billy/Rebecca were also supposed to have some feelings for each other as well. To me, Chris & Jill are the only ones with actual substance to their relationship, yet it is the most ambiguous.


Chris cradling her after she collapsed was enough of a gesture to show his concern.

Yeah, it was sufficient, but more could have been added post-credits. An epilogue of sorts to at least tell us what was next for Chris & Jill. Do they go off together? Do they retire? Do they become partners again at the BSAA? Anything would have been nice.


Just like no Alien after Aliens was a true continuation.

Actually, there's one part where a bunch of Lickers were coming at me and they were all crawling on the ceiling. It reminded me greatly of "Aliens" when Hicks looks up in the rafters (above some ceiling panels) and sees a bunch of xenomorphs crawling toward their position.

I really, really loved the Lickers in this game.


And while the overall Resident Evil writing is alot of things, one thing it is not is subtle. If there was a romantic relationship between Jill and Chris they certainly wouldn't've made it vague.

Now I'm not saying they would never have romantic thoughts about eachother. Realistically they probably do have feelings for eachother that go alittle further than friendship, but you're saying they're basically a couple, and that Chris should've reacted as if Jill was his girlfriend lying in his arms. I just don't think that would've made sense.

I think there have been subtle hints. But the fact that there is no clear cut resolution is kind of deflating. I personally would have liked to see an answer to the ChrisxJill thing. It doesn't ruin RE5 for me at all, but it is something I have always wondered.

Ever since they held hands at the end of the PS1 version of RE1, I've wondered what was going on. And still no concrete answer. Frustrating.

[[STARS]TyranT]

I have always thought personally that Chris and Jill are somewhat of an item, but first and foremost they are soldiers and I think they both knew not to let emotion better them immediately after Chris has saved Jill. Though I think it's very clear they both have very strong feelings, even so much as yeah, love each other. Chris must be mighty important to Jill if she sacrifices herself for him, and the fact that he alone can nearly break the device attached to her.

But I like the ambigiuity of it all, makes it far more interesting than a simple kiss/embrace.

[Jill's Boob]

TyranT;86720']But I like the ambigiuity of it all, makes it far more interesting than a simple kiss/embrace.

I suppose. But they are 35 & 33 respectively. They've spent a huge part of their adult lives together, pursuing the same goals.

If this was their final journey in the RE universe, it'd be nice for some closure.

I'd like to know if they're just friends or more than friends.

[ValentineKnight]

That is the way I feel about it and when Jill had to convince Chris to go after Wesker when he wanted to stay with her I think it really says something about how much Chris cares for her that and he was pretty much hell-bent on finding her.but I would have liked to see closure to the JillxChris issue and Sina let's just agree to disagree here it's stupid to argue over whether Chris and Jill have something going on between them I think they do you think they don't that's fine it's your opinion and until Capcom confirms the issue that's all we'll have is opinions but I think Capcom hinted at it for a reason and I'm taking the hints.

[BLSR1]

When the boss fight against Wesker and Jill started, I shot Jill in the face with the magnum and killed her.

I was confused when the game ended.

[blaze]

EEEEE.

Why did I miss this discussion?! *points at sig*

Yeah. I agree with everyone who was frustrated at Chris for not doing anything. After all of that angst and Chris struggling and whatnot, I would've at least enjoyed a hug... but I suppose the implication of their waaaaaaaaaaaaay-more-than-partners bond is a lot already. And they were having eyesex... like, the whole time. So I guess that was nice.

Okay, and not to be perverse or anything, but I'm already thinking they've slept together at least once x] I read Chris' file... said "...and they traversed the world together..." etc. That was before and after 2003, leading up to Jill's "death". The only people they ever saw was each other, and I don't doubt it gets lonely out there. And putting your life on the line and fighting everyday can take a toll on you... I honestly would not be surprised if they crossed that line at least once already, even if it was just an "in the heat of the moment" type of thing. Or maybe I've just been mulling over fanfiction too much lately. Probably the latter. *shrugs*

Anyways... yes. I would've enjoyed SOMETHING more concrete between those two... but I really do love how Chris/Jill were handled otherwise. Chris was gonna put the whole world on the line for her. After all those years with "rawwwr, Wesker! Let's get Wesker! Kill Wesker now! Must find Wesker!" he suddenly went soft and wanted to stay with Jill. That really spoke volumes. Their relationship, no matter how obscure the ending, was conveyed as far deeper than say Ada/Leon's (Leon is a playboy anyway :P). It was really beautiful, and I was very pleased (faha, I was talking to my friend about Chris/Jill and how people were starting to jump on the Chris/Sheva bandwagon. Then she snorted and said "wonder how it feels to be second best". I laughed)

I'd still appreciate an epilogue of sorts from Capcom so that we know where Chris/Jill stood. But I wouldn't be surprised if they moved in with each other after the game... Chris has proved that he just can't stand to be without her.

[/fangirling]

[ValentineKnight]

eyesex? :P anyway I agree 100%^_^

[Rakkoon]

I made a mistake when I tried to talk about RE5's obvious flaws with the wrong people, in the wrong topic. That was my only fault. It's true, that's not the place.

Other than that, it's really nice when a bunch of people get together against a single person. I attacked RE5 and discussed RE5 (in the Jill topic, yeah, the wrong place, I agree), but I never attacked you guys, never dicussed you or insulted you. Now ask yourself what you did.

I am shocked how certain members of this forum take the liberty to openly discuss other members using personal opinions and making up stories. I am sure most people don't even care, but to me it's outrageous. (I don't mean the quoted post)


Rakkoon:

Seriously, you give Shinji Mikami way too much credit. He directed the original Resident Evil, a game NOTORIOUS for the worst written dialogue in the history of mankind. Granted, that was acceptable for 1996, but it was clear he knows how to design gameplay, but as far as how to tell a story goes he's not special.

Resident Evil 2, seen by most as the best game in the series, was NOT directed by Shinji Mikami, and it's clear the dialogue and storytelling is way improved.

Resident Evil 3 and Resident Evil: code veronica. Same thing. Not Shinji Mikami's direction.

Shinji Mikami came back SIX YEARS LATER and took the reigns of Resident Evil: Remake, and the dialogue and story were matured abit, but that couldn't've been too difficult. And then he decided he was tired of the RE story arc and started afresh with RE4.

Giving credit where credit's due, as far as game design, level design, enemy design, boss encounter design RE4 was fantastic. It was highly regarded as one of the best games of the decade as far as playability, and the over the shoulder view was something many games copied in the following years after its release, including RE5. RE4 was an amazing game, gameplay wise, and noone can dispute that, and I find it sad that people try to just cause Rakkoon is a whiny crybaby. As far as story development and dialogue goes, RE4 was sorely lacking.

So if you wanna look at the overall series, other than starting it, Shinji Mikami doesn't have as much to do with the success of the series as you seem to think. Mikami cutting off the story right at its climax did alot of damage to the series, like killing off Umbrella in a few sentences. The games since RE4, including RE5, have done their best to bridge the giant gap left by RE4. That being said, the stories in Umbrella chronicles did their own damage aswell. Red Queen? TALOS? *Sigh*

Overall, RE5 did a great job mending the story. I'm sorry you're so madly in love and obsessed with the pure Jill valentine that her new hair colour blinded you from what made RE5 a good game.

Shinji Mikami was always there. He was a director, a producer, a designer, an advisor. Different for each game. But he was there making sure Resident Evil was Resident Evil. In RE5 there's no Shinji Mikami whatsoever.

About RE4 and its story and dialogue... It was intended to be like that, that's why I didn't mind it. It didn't take itself seriously, it didn't try to be more than it was. As long as you keep RE4's nature in mind, Leon's lines were great.

Back on topic, I mind Jill's hair and pale skin, because I think that's ugly. It doesn't look like Jill and she seems ruined like that. I don't care it's explained. They could turn her into a shemale and explain it in a logical way, but that doesn't mean I would like it because there's a perfect explanation for it. I thought the ugly look ruined Jill, that's it. I didn't think RE5 was ruined because of that, so stop that already. I even said it when I was talking about RE5 being ruined. I clearly said, 'I'm not talking about Jill's hair now'. Why is it that some people only see what they choose to see? It's really unnerving to keep explaining. I don't know why I bother.

And about the RE3 outfit, again... I don't see how a tube top with no bra underneath is skanky. Of course it's not what you would wear in the middle of a zombie outbreak, but it's not what YOU would wear. Why are you so sure Jill wouldn't wear it? It doesn't make sense, but it's entirely possible for her to decide to wear something like that. Not logical, but entirely possible. It doesn't even need to be logical, or plausible. It could be a screwed up Jill thinking what the hell. Could be anything. So looking for reason or logic here is totally unnecessary. What's more, it's a causa perduta.

[Jill's Boob]

^Get over yourself. You weren't "ganged up on" by a bunch of bullies. It just so happens that your sentiments were irrational, incoherent, and incorrect. Multiple people called you out on it, and all the sudden it's a "group mentality" teaming up on innocent old you?

And stop trying to imply that RE4 was a parody of sorts. Nothing about that game was tongue-in-cheek. It took itself very serious in trying to be uber-cool, and that is what makes it unintentionally funny. And a cliche-filled shitstorm with a poor story and worse characters. The gameplay still rocks though, and some of the enemies are great.

As for Jill's appearance, stop your bellyaching. She's fictional. It's not ever permanent. She can dye her hair, and once she gets some sun she'll be fine (wearing spandex, a cloak, and a mask for however long exacerbated her paleness). Stop overreacting. Jesus.

[Sina]

but I would have liked to see closure to the JillxChris issue and Sina let's just agree to disagree here it's stupid to argue over whether Chris and Jill have something going on between them I think they do you think they don't that's fine it's your opinion and until Capcom confirms the issue that's all we'll have is opinions but I think Capcom hinted at it for a reason and I'm taking the hints.
I'm not even disagreeing with you completely. I may have actually gone abit far dismissing any form of complexity in their relationship, but the point I was trying to make was that Chris and Jill were not boyfriend/girlfriend by the time Jill went out the window. The argument is that Chris should've reacted differently when Jill came out of her mind control. If they were boyfriend/girlfriend, they would've reacted differently. And as far as closure goes, I'm fairly certain the Jill/Chris story isn't over, so I'm happy it didn't have closure.


Okay, and not to be perverse or anything, but I'm already thinking they've slept together at least once x] The only people they ever saw was each other, and I don't doubt it gets lonely out there. And putting your life on the line and fighting everyday can take a toll on you... I honestly would not be surprised if they crossed that line at least once already, even if it was just an "in the heat of the moment" type of thing.
I was actually going to say just this. While I don't think they're an item or anything, it's very likely with what they've been through together for nearly a decade that they've gone through phases. They probably work better as friends/partners, but every now and again when the shit really hits the fan and emotions are all over the place they'll wind up in the sack. Trying to think of an example of their relationship... Anyway, they're friends with a mutual respect, but there's an underlying attraction.

I don't think there's too much hinting at this other than that it's the likely, realistic and natural scenario when two people are in their situation. Still, given this scenario, I think their reaction to seeing eachother was sufficient.

Rakkoon:

If you're going to slit your wrists over Jill's haircolour, atleast do the decent thing and put it on youtube. I think it would be a hit, given the reason. Granted, I think you make some good points though about RE4's gameplay. It is better than RE5's gameplay. As far as story goes, I was way more interested in RE5, and having played the RE series since the original game, the story and characters of the series is the main reason I keep playing.

I'll tell you this much, I stopped caring about the series completely when RE4 was released, and didn't even bother playing it. I saw the Umbrella collapsing intro and thought fuck it. The only reason I got into RE again was because RE5 was announced with the promise that it would tie together with the main RE story. This announcement even made me go back and play through RE4, and it was probably the most fun I've ever had playing a game. Taking it for what it was, I could finally see why it got such high praise. If it wasn't for RE5 I still wouldn't care about the series, and I'm really happy they went back. Sure, it could've been better, but it was a good enough jump back to the RE lore that I'm in again. Topping RE4's gameplay was hard, and I wasn't expecting that to happen. All I wanted was a romp in the RE universe with the same characters advancing the story, and I got just that. Talking about taking games for what they are, maybe you should do the same with RE5, cause honestly, all it sounds like is a fanboy whos heart is broken that their perfect Jill fantasy was damaged by a slight evolution of the character.

[Rakkoon]

The only reason I mentioned Jill's hair was because this is her topic after all. Then everyone kept grabbing on to that, even though it was merely a small thing that pissed me off compared to the other flaws.

And I thought it was clear I was overreacting about that, so I didn't think people would take that seriously and use it to attack me. That's just funny. It was never meant as something too serious. I was just pissed off.

Then the 'discussion' shifted to more serious things concerning RE5 as a whole, but since this is the Jill topic, I'm not going to keep 'discussing' RE5 here.

[Jill's Boob]

Here's something else to be sad about - BSAA Jill in "Mercs" is a weakling.

[Vector]

Here's something else to be sad about - BSAA Jill in "Mercs" is a weakling.

But Battleslut Jill has a great ass in that tight spandex. And she has a cool Skorpion, too.

[ValentineKnight]

I'm not even disagreeing with you completely. I may have actually gone abit far dismissing any form of complexity in their relationship, but the point I was trying to make was that Chris and Jill were not boyfriend/girlfriend by the time Jill went out the window. The argument is that Chris should've reacted differently when Jill came out of her mind control. If they were boyfriend/girlfriend, they would've reacted differently. And as far as closure goes, I'm fairly certain the Jill/Chris story isn't over, so I'm happy it didn't have closure.That's what I was saying they're relationship is VERY complex and I just hoped Capcom would quit dancing around it and just say whether Chris/Jill like each other that way or not and sorry about my fanboying I just like it when my fave male/female chaacters get together I'm weird like that. :lol:

[BadWolfX]

But Battleslut Jill has a great ass in that tight spandex. And she has a cool Skorpion, too.

Here here :D

[Jill's Boob]

But Battleslut Jill has a great ass in that tight spandex. And she has a cool Skorpion, too.

Well, I've only unlocked half the Mercs characters so far. Out of the few I have, BSAA Jill is the weakest link and I just figured that would incite the Jill fanatics even more than other trivial things such as her hair color.

I do like the look of BSAA Jill though. She looks "cute" with her ponytail and ballcap. Much more practical than a beret. Who wears berets?

[[STARS]TyranT]

I've actually managed to unlock all the characters with BSAA Jill, the handgun she has headshots nearly everytime, meaning you can get combos chained really easy.

Plus Cartwheel Kick: win.

[Jill's Boob]

TyranT;86965']Plus Cartwheel Kick: win.

How do I pull that off? And I'll have to aim better for those headshots. In all honesty, I suck hardcore at Mercs.

[Vector]

Battleslut Jill is nice and all, but Tribal Sheva is the ultimate Mercenaries ass-kicking machines.

[Alexia_Ashford]

I love using S.T.A.R.S Wesker for Mercs. His shotgun is brilliant, his handgun is better than anyone else's and he has a Magnum to boot. Not just that but he can run fast to get the time quickly.

[Jill's Boob]

^Yeah, I read that Wesker could move fast. I've only unlocked his RE5 suit so far (like I said, I suck at Mercs) but how do I get him to run fast?

[Alexia_Ashford]

Hold down the right Analog stick and he runs at really fast speeds, like he does in the final boss fight.

[Jill's Boob]

^"Thanks for the help."

[Gradon]

Wow, awesome.
I only unlocked Jill BSSA, but up to now, she is my favourite Mercs character.
I love her melee moves, her machine gun, everything.

[[STARS]TyranT]

The Cartwheel kick is Jill's final combo move at the end of a melee chain, but if you play Missile Base and wait for the big guys with the gatling guns to spawn she'll always do that melee move on a headshot stun.

[missvalentine]

Jill's melee moves and knifing animation in mercs is the best. i love her in mercs, but the problem is i hate mercs mode. :(

i only liked RE3's mercs.

also Rakkoon i haven't read the entire topic, but i agree about Jill's hair, i really cannot stand her being blonde, even if it is just temporary. i liked how she was brunette again in mercs though.

so im hopeing for her to appear in RE6 with her normal hair again, also i think she looks cuter with shorter hair.

[Skunky]

Jill, Jill, Jill... this thread is like a broken record. :P

Jill was okay in RE5. Her look and moves were really cool (I love that kinda shit) but it bothered me a bit. I don't really understand why she should have all the fancy fighting abilities. It was very 'un-Jill' like, seeing her fight like that.
It was stuff I'd expect to see Ada doing. She's the super, secret, femme fatale spy. Her past is a mystery and she could have been trained in many martial arts. Jill is more... um, the master of unlocking.

As for the 'stand offish' vibe between Chris and Jill, when she was finally rescued: I think it's because Jill saw that Chris had hooked up with the younger and sexier Sheva. She must have been pissed off.
I understand where Chris is coming from. Jill is nice but after hanging with the exotic Sheva for a while, I was ready to trade in and upgrade too. -.-
Although Jill does get some extra points for dressing up in that catsuit.

One of the funniest things I saw in the game was that bit when it was me and Sheva VS Wesker and Jill. As I was running around I past Sheva and Jill fighting in a corridor. Sheva was beating the absolute crap out of Jill! I mean she was really pounding on her! :lol: Sheva ran off and Jill got up looking all woozy, like she didn't know where she was.

[missvalentine]

Jill, Jill, Jill... this thread is like a broken record. :P

Jill was okay in RE5. Her look and moves were really cool (I love that kinda shit) but it bothered me a bit. I don't really understand why she should have all the fancy fighting abilities. It was very 'un-Jill' like, seeing her fight like that.
It was stuff I'd expect to see Ada doing. She's the super, secret, femme fatale spy. Her past is a mystery and she could have been trained in many martial arts. Jill is more... um, the master of unlocking.

As for the 'stand offish' vibe between Chris and Jill, when she was finally rescued: I think it's because Jill saw that Chris had hooked up with the younger and sexier Sheva. She must have been pissed off.
I understand where Chris is coming from. Jill is nice but after hanging with the exotic Sheva for a while, I was ready to trade in and upgrade too. -.-
Although Jill does get some extra points for dressing up in that catsuit.

One of the funniest things I saw in the game was that bit when it was me and Sheva VS Wesker and Jill. As I was running around I past Sheva and Jill fighting in a corridor. Sheva was beating the absolute crap out of Jill! I mean she was really pounding on her! :lol: Sheva ran off and Jill got up looking all woozy, like she didn't know where she was.

i don't like how Jill is super powerful know.

but it seems all of the RE characters have super powers now.

first Wesker in CVX, then Leon in RE4, then Claire in that one scene in Degeneration, although i do love that scene. and now Jill has inherited super powers too. it seems Chris was left out, so he just took roids to make up for it. :P

[Darkmoon]

Jill's abilities have been rather enhanced by the thing on her chest pumping a drug into her system. It doesn't last long, and it does make a person controllable (hence why she was working for Wesker) hence why it isn't used much, but it does work rather well in making a normal person almost a match for Leon.

Of course, now she's off it she will go back to normal.

[missvalentine]

Jill's abilities have been rather enhanced by the thing on her chest pumping a drug into her system. It doesn't last long, and it does make a person controllable (hence why she was working for Wesker) hence why it isn't used much, but it does work rather well in making a normal person almost a match for Leon.

Of course, now she's off it she will go back to normal.

:lol: thanks for explaining that, somehow i didn't connect her super powers with the thing on her chest.

i feel better now ^_^

you now, someone should check Leon's chest out, maybe Ada slept with him and put something on his chest. :P

[Skunky]

That might explain an increase in speed, strength and stamina but it dosn't really explain the highly technical high kicks and wrestling moves...

Unless they downloaded stuff, directly into her brain (Like Keanu Reeves in the Matrix). Maybe Jill opened her eyes and said, "I know kung fu". (that part was later cut out of the game)

[missvalentine]

That might explain an increase in speed, strength and stamina but it dosn't really explain the highly technical high kicks and wrestling moves...

Unless they downloaded stuff, directly into her brain (Like Keanu Reeves in the Matrix). Maybe Jill opened her eyes and said, "I know kung fu". (that part was later cut out of the game)

well since Wesker was controlling her, something like downloading is quite likely, or Wesker just made her fight like that with his brain or something or he trained her.

also i was just wondering, does anyone know if capcom, or anyone has a render of both RE5 Jill models, and Claire's Degeneration model?

[Vector]

That might explain an increase in speed, strength and stamina but it dosn't really explain the highly technical high kicks and wrestling moves...

That's that good ol' P30 for ya! ^_^

[Mr. Spencer]

Jill's melee moves and knifing animation in mercs is the best. i love her in mercs, but the problem is i hate mercs mode. :(

i only liked RE3's mercs.

also Rakkoon i haven't read the entire topic, but i agree about Jill's hair, i really cannot stand her being blonde, even if it is just temporary. i liked how she was brunette again in mercs though.

so im hopeing for her to appear in RE6 with her normal hair again, also i think she looks cuter with shorter hair.

I give up.

First you kids bitch about Jill being dead, then when she's confirmed as alive you then complain about her being evil, then when she's turned good you THEN complain about her hair colour being blonde. It's utterly preposterous.

[News Bot]

That might explain an increase in speed, strength and stamina but it dosn't really explain the highly technical high kicks and wrestling moves...

Basic training courses. With P30, she already had all of the "skill" available.

[Bertha]

I give up.

First you kids bitch about Jill being dead, then when she's confirmed as alive you then complain about her being evil, then when she's turned good you THEN complain about her hair colour being blonde. It's utterly preposterous.

It's like I said before....there's just no pleasing a fanatic unless you give them exactly what they want, which is the unrealistic ideas they got about their character in the first place. People are going to keep bitching about what they get no matter what.

[Jill's Boob]

I'm still trying to understand the "appeal of Jill." (Tao of Jill?) I mean, I've played RE1, REmake, RE3, REUC, and RE5...and I just don't see how she is this life-altering character.

She's as developed as pretty much every other RE hero, which is to say, not much. You know next to nothing about these characters, but merely guide them through a game. I can see favoring them a bit, but there isn't much substance to become "obsessed" with them.

Jill escaped from a mansion, escaped from Racoon City, and helped form the BSAA. Along the way she never really achieved any great character transformations or displayed any significant personality traits.

She is just a "cute lil' woman in a blue outfit." Why then do I get the impression some folks would off themselves if Jill was actually slain in her fictitious realm?

[BadWolfX]

It's like I said before....there's just no pleasing a fanatic unless you give them exactly what they want, which is the unrealistic ideas they got about their character in the first place. People are going to keep bitching about what they get no matter what.

Agreed. I don't even see why her hair color would matter - besides it's explained. If she returns it's likely that it'll be reverted to her normal hair. Changing the style and making her paler seemed to be a way of saying that this isn't our Jill anymore.

[ValentineKnight]

I give up.

First you kids bitch about Jill being dead, then when she's confirmed as alive you then complain about her being evil, then when she's turned good you THEN complain about her hair colour being blonde. It's utterly preposterous.

Hey now...I don't mind Jill being pale and blonde:'(...I think it makes her hotter:D I was just worried people wouldn't recognise her if she was blonde:nervous:

[Bertha]

I'm still trying to understand the "appeal of Jill." (Tao of Jill?) I mean, I've played RE1, REmake, RE3, REUC, and RE5...and I just don't see how she is this life-altering character.

She's as developed as pretty much every other RE hero, which is to say, not much. You know next to nothing about these characters, but merely guide them through a game. I can see favoring them a bit, but there isn't much substance to become "obsessed" with them.

Jill escaped from a mansion, escaped from Racoon City, and helped form the BSAA. Along the way she never really achieved any great character transformations or displayed any significant personality traits.

She is just a "cute lil' woman in a blue outfit." Why then do I get the impression some folks would off themselves if Jill was actually slain in her fictitious realm?

I think people have a hard time dealing with the idea that Jill is really a sidekick for Chris. Yes she gets her own game, yes she's the RE darling that gets thrown into any other Capcom crossover...but the entire time she's not with Chris, she's looking for him, and when she's with him, she's providing back up. I'm willing to bet that if Chris had just given up after the events in CV, we'd never see Jill again.

[Vector]

I think people have a hard time dealing with the idea that Jill is really a sidekick for Chris. Yes she gets her own game, yes she's the RE darling that gets thrown into any other Capcom crossover...but the entire time she's not with Chris, she's looking for him, and when she's with him, she's providing back up. I'm willing to bet that if Chris had just given up after the events in CV, we'd never see Jill again.

Well...fucking...said. Seriously. Her appearance in RE5(as a shitty plot device) was because Chris was the main character. No other reason. Now, you've got me thinking. And I'm thinking about one thing in particular. Follow me if you will...


----

Jill's diary in RE3:

August 7th

Two weeks have passed since that day. My wounds have been healed, but I just
can't forget it. For most people, it's history now. But for me, whenever I
close my eyes, it all comes back clearly. Zombies eating people's flesh and the
screams of my teammates dying. No, the wounds in my heart are not healed yet...

August 13th

Chris has been causing a lot of trouble recently. What's with him? He seldom
talks to the other police members and is constantly irritated. The other day,
he punched Elran of the Boy's Crime department just for accidentally splashing
Chris's face with coffee. I immediately stopped Chris, but when he saw me he
just gave me a wink and walked away. I wonder what happened to him...

August 15th

Midnight. Chris, who has been on a leave of absence for a "vacation,"
called me so I visited his apartment. As soon as I walked into his room, he
showed me a couple of pieces of paper. They were part of a virus research
report entitled as simply as "G". Then Chris told me that "The nightmare still
continues." He went on to say that "It's not over yet." Ever since that day,
he has been fighting all by himself without rest, without even telling me.

August 24th

Chris left the town today to go to Europe. Barry told me that he would send his
family to Canada and then he would follow Chris. I decided to remain in Raccoon
City for a while because I know that the research facility in this city will be
very important to this entire case. In a month or so, I'll be joining with
them somewhere in Europe. That's when my real battle begins...

----

Notice a trend here?

Oh God, that's it. The floodgates have opened. The first shot hath been fired.
This topic will soon get very interesting again.

[BLSR1]

And then a thousand fanatics cried out in agony...

[blaze]

Well...fucking...said. Seriously. Her appearance in RE5(as a shitty plot device) was because Chris was the main character. No other reason. Now, you've got me thinking. And I'm thinking about one thing in particular. Follow me if you will...


----

Jill's diary in RE3:

August 7th

Two weeks have passed since that day. My wounds have been healed, but I just
can't forget it. For most people, it's history now. But for me, whenever I
close my eyes, it all comes back clearly. Zombies eating people's flesh and the
screams of my teammates dying. No, the wounds in my heart are not healed yet...

August 13th

Chris has been causing a lot of trouble recently. What's with him? He seldom
talks to the other police members and is constantly irritated. The other day,
he punched Elran of the Boy's Crime department just for accidentally splashing
Chris's face with coffee. I immediately stopped Chris, but when he saw me he
just gave me a wink and walked away. I wonder what happened to him...

August 15th

Midnight. Chris, who has been on a leave of absence for a "vacation,"
called me so I visited his apartment. As soon as I walked into his room, he
showed me a couple of pieces of paper. They were part of a virus research
report entitled as simply as "G". Then Chris told me that "The nightmare still
continues." He went on to say that "It's not over yet." Ever since that day,
he has been fighting all by himself without rest, without even telling me.

August 24th

Chris left the town today to go to Europe. Barry told me that he would send his
family to Canada and then he would follow Chris. I decided to remain in Raccoon
City for a while because I know that the research facility in this city will be
very important to this entire case. In a month or so, I'll be joining with
them somewhere in Europe. That's when my real battle begins...

----

Notice a trend here?

Oh God, that's it. The floodgates have opened. The first shot hath been fired.
This topic will soon get very interesting again.

Chris, Chris, Chris. She's like a broken record.

:P

I think it's cute that she was all about Chris (man, her boyfriend must've been suspicious x] ).

In REmake they were pretty much equal though, as both got their scenarios, but Jill's journal entries made it obvious that Chris was the one that lost the most sleep over what happened, and it was mostly HIS goal to go after Wesker and Umbrella.

I think you're right... she remained in the fight more in support of him than anything. She wanted stay in because she wanted to help him. Aw.


As for the 'stand offish' vibe between Chris and Jill, when she was finally rescued: I think it's because Jill saw that Chris had hooked up with the younger and sexier Sheva. She must have been pissed off.
I understand where Chris is coming from. Jill is nice but after hanging with the exotic Sheva for a while, I was ready to trade in and upgrade too. -.-
Although Jill does get some extra points for dressing up in that catsuit.

There was so no Chris/Sheva hookupage... Chris made it hard for there to be any. I imagine Sheva secretly wanted to push him off a cliff because Chris was all "Jill?! Where's Jill?! Gotta find Jill! Can I see Jill now?! How bout now?! JILL?!" the whole game. I would've smacked him out of annoyance or something if I were her :P

And Chris didn't even want the "upgrade" that is Sheva. That was clear when he only had eyes for Jill's sick, colorless, tired form, and eternally scarred chest, when he finally found her. D'aww.

[Bertha]

Well...fucking...said. Seriously. Her appearance in RE5(as a shitty plot device) was because Chris was the main character. No other reason. Now, you've got me thinking. And I'm thinking about one thing in particular. Follow me if you will....
I was actually going to use that to further my argument but you beat me to it. Thanks partner. :lol:


And then a thousand fanatics cried out in agony...
NOOO! NOT TEH JILL! :P





There was so no Chris/Sheva hookupage... Chris made it hard for there to be any. I imagine Sheva secretly wanted to push him off a cliff because Chris was all "Jill?! Where's Jill?! Gotta find Jill! Can I see Jill now?! How bout now?! JILL?!" the whole game. I would've smacked him out of annoyance or something if I were her :P

And Chris didn't even want the "upgrade" that is Sheva. That was clear when he only had eyes for Jill's sick, colorless, tired form, and eternally scarred chest, when he finally found her. D'aww.

I agree. There was never any sexual tension/romantic connections between Chris and Sheva. Josh and Sheva obviously had a deep seeded relationship, something it seemed Chris picked up on. Besides...all he was thinking about was finding Jill and killing Wesker.

[A-J]

And then a thousand fanatics cried out in agony...


the prophecy has come true :O

[Irontrooper]

I give up.

First you kids bitch about Jill being dead, then when she's confirmed as alive you then complain about her being evil, then when she's turned good you THEN complain about her hair colour being blonde. It's utterly preposterous.

The sad fact is, no one will ever be completely pleased and everyone tries to find something to complain about. Unfortunate, but that's the way of the world.

[ValentineKnight]

The sad fact is, no one will ever be completely pleased and everyone tries to find something to complain about. Unfortunate, but that's the way of the world.Tell me about it...:\

[Mr. Kennedy]

I don't understand anybody's fanaticism over any of the RE characters. All of them are so one-dimensional, every damn one. It's one of the faults of the series. Capcom is terrible with story and character, at least with the RE series. I can understand having a favorite character, but to cry about Jill's hair...ridiculous. I wouldn't have cared if she died. Hell, might have been a little dramatic o_o

[Irontrooper]

I don't understand anybody's fanaticism over any of the RE characters. All of them are so one-dimensional, every damn one. It's one of the faults of the series. Capcom is terrible with story and character, at least with the RE series. I can understand having a favorite character, but to cry about Jill's hair...ridiculous. I wouldn't have cared if she died. Hell, might have been a little dramatic o_o
I could understand people complaining about her death, but the hair color thing is ridiculous. For me, the cool thing about Jill is that she's badass. They could shave her bald and it would stay that way. (not to say that's a good idea). I think there are alot more annoying things in RE5 than her hair color change.... like reapers.

[Vector]

I was actually going to use that to further my argument but you beat me to it. Thanks partner. :lol:

Naturally. Partners are supposed to have each other's backs, right?

[BLSR1]

All of the "PARTNAS!!!" talk in RE5 got very annoying.

Although it is funny if you mentally replace the word "partner" in that game with the word "fuckbuddy"


Sheva: Were you close to her?

Chris: She was my fuckbuddy.

[Mr. Kennedy]

New drinking game.

Every time Chris says, "We were partners." Take a drink.

[Jill's Boob]

^Still won't get you as drunk as a drinking game revolving around taking a swig everytime Leon utters some eye-rollingly bad dialogue in RE4. :P

[ValentineKnight]

^Still won't get you as drunk as a drinking game revolving around taking a swig everytime Leon utters some eye-rollingly bad dialogue in RE4. :P

QFT ^_^:D

[BadWolfX]

^Still won't get you as drunk as a drinking game revolving around taking a swig everytime Leon utters some eye-rollingly bad dialogue in RE4. :P

By the end of the game the player would be an alcoholic o_o

[Alexia_Ashford]

^Still won't get you as drunk as a drinking game revolving around taking a swig everytime Leon utters some eye-rollingly bad dialogue in RE4. :P

They'd be drinking more than the entire cast of Dallas.

[ValentineKnight]

They'd be drinking more than the entire cast of Dallas.

Again QFT:lol:

[Darinl1979]

All of the "PARTNAS!!!" talk in RE5 got very annoying.

Although it is funny if you mentally replace the word "partner" in that game with the word "fuckbuddy"


Sheva: Were you close to her?

Chris: She was my fuckbuddy.

This makes for some funny dialogue.

"There are no more orders from here on it, its just us"
"We're fuckbuddies...until the end"

I can picture Chris facepalming himself asking what he got himself into after that line.

Also I can imagine Jill pushing Chris...

"Don't you trust your fuckbuddy".

[blaze]

All of the "PARTNAS!!!" talk in RE5 got very annoying.

Although it is funny if you mentally replace the word "partner" in that game with the word "fuckbuddy"


Sheva: Were you close to her?

Chris: She was my fuckbuddy.

lmfao. Wow. Won't be hearing those "partner" lines the same ever again x]

[Sina]

This makes for some funny dialogue.

"There are no more orders from here on it, its just us"
"We're fuckbuddies...until the end"

I can picture Chris facepalming himself asking what he got himself into after that line.

Also I can imagine Jill pushing Chris...

"Don't you trust your fuckbuddy".
"I thought they were fuckbuddies?"
"Wesker only cares about himself." -.-

"Looks like Irving has a fuckbuddy."

"Ready fuckbuddy?"
"Locked and loaded" -.-

[Mr. Kennedy]

^Still won't get you as drunk as a drinking game revolving around taking a swig everytime Leon utters some eye-rollingly bad dialogue in RE4. :P

But at least Leon's cheesy lines had variety. Not the same line every time.:P

[Bertha]

But at least Leon's cheesy lines had variety. Not the same line every time.:P

Yeah a variety....of staleness. XD The entire theme of the game is about partnership...it's only natural they are going to hammer on that subject every chance they get.

[Vector]

Yeah, umm...the theme of RE5 was partnership, in case anyone didn't notice. Chris and Sheva, Chris and Jill, Excella and Wesker(or so she tried)...did you people not see the cutscene on the plane, right as Sheva was about to fall? Chris got a flashback to Jill risking her life to save his ass. Why? Because the look on Sheva's face said "it's okay, I'm gonna let go and kill him, partner." He got a reminder what being partners with someone is all about. That's when he reached out and saved her.

[BLSR1]

Yeah, umm...the theme of RE5 was partnership, in case anyone didn't notice. Chris and Sheva, Chris and Jill, Excella and Wesker(or so she tried)...did you people not see the cutscene on the plane, right as Sheva was about to fall? Chris got a flashback to Jill risking her life to save his ass. Why? Because the look on Sheva's face said "it's okay, I'm gonna let go and kill him, partner." He got a reminder what being partners with someone is all about. That's when he reached out and saved her.

We were making fun of the theme.

[Mr. Kennedy]

Yeah, umm...the theme of RE5 was partnership, in case anyone didn't notice.

No way...I get it now.

[Mr. Spencer]

"I thought they were fuckbuddies?"
"Wesker only cares about himself." -.-

"Looks like Irving has a fuckbuddy."

"Ready fuckbuddy?"
"Locked and loaded" -.-

"I've just had an extreme fuck-buddy!"

[Darkmoon]

You know, it occurs to me that they did Jill's hair blonde for several reasons. One was to make it harder for people to guess it was Jill, as that did throw people for a long time. Some people did guess but the majority did think Sherry.

Then, if you look at Jill and Wesker next to each other, with similar hair and similar clothes it helps distance Jill from Chris, makes her look more like she's working with Wesker. Makes her look more like Wesker. It makes her obviously different to the Jill we knew before.

[Sina]

When I first saw that Jill was blonde I was sure they were gonna tie it into Wesker being blonde, having something to do with the super virus, and in turn maybe to Krauser being blonde. But that really doesn't work anymore since Jill had a separate virus/"performance enhancer". They could tie it in if they wanted I suppose, but I doubt they will.

Here's a thought: Krauser is one of the Wesker children who survived the virus and changed his name :waga waga

[BLSR1]

Did anyone else think that Jill looks a lot like Elza in her catsuit?

[Mr. Kennedy]

I was reminded of Samus Aran.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff184/Haesyx/samus_arm.jpg

[missvalentine]

You know, it occurs to me that they did Jill's hair blonde for several reasons. One was to make it harder for people to guess it was Jill, as that did throw people for a long time. Some people did guess but the majority did think Sherry.

Then, if you look at Jill and Wesker next to each other, with similar hair and similar clothes it helps distance Jill from Chris, makes her look more like she's working with Wesker. Makes her look more like Wesker. It makes her obviously different to the Jill we knew before.

you know Jill being blonde also goes with the all RE blondes are evil thing.

seriously just about every blonde in RE is evil somehow, or related to an evil character.

anyways, the only reason i didn't like Jill blonde was cause after years of waiting to see her in HD, she's pale and blonde and doesn't really look like the Jill we know. which was a slight disappointment. but i know she will be back to normal in RE6. ^_^

[ValentineKnight]

...If she's in RE6 you mean

[missvalentine]

...If she's in RE6 you mean

RE6, RE7, whatever one she has her next appearance in.

im hoping RE6 cause i really want to follow up on how Jill and Chris are going after RE5.

[ValentineKnight]

I dunno dude all this talk of a "reboot" has got me wondering.

[BadWolfX]

After playing through with a friend up to just after the Jill/Wesker fight, I have to say that I'm....pleased with the story. I don't know if there's more to come but I'm happy with what I've seen. I wish there was a bit more....emotion in the scene after she'd been cured but that could be coming up, I don't know.

The second half of the battle was the part that I really enjoyed. Restraining her and then trying to pull the device off her chest was really...tragic I felt. It just felt so brutal to me.

I don't see why there's been so much fuss over her appearence though, I think she looks fine. The blonde ponytail suits her, I don't know why so many people have been all pissy over it. It's a visual way of saying that this isn't the Jill Valentine that we used to know so get to business and cure her.

[Mr. Spencer]

More I look at Jill's battlesuit, the more it reminds me of Zone of the Enders.

[Darinl1979]

I dont think we will see Jill or Chris in a future Resident Evil game. Their story is pretty much over. The only way we would see them is in a Chronicles type game with multiple scenarios that features different characters.

You can debate that the ending left you wondering what happens to them after...I think its left like that so you can leave it up to yourself. Does Jill rejoin the BSAA? Does Chris really suffer PTSD? Do Chris and Jill make babies? Does anyone care or does it really matter?

[ValentineKnight]

Like I said before they'll probably be mentioned in some way but I dunno bout them being mains again after all what is left for them to do?Wesker's gone,Umbrella's gone,Excella's gone.There's no threat left for them to tackle.

[Jill's Boob]

Them being in their mid-thirties doesn't bode well for them either. And this is Capcom + RE, where character development is almost nonexistent.

As much as I'd love to see Chris & Jill again, I won't get my hopes up.