The Central "Jill Valentine" Discussion Topic

[ValentineKnight]

Them being in their mid-thirties doesn't bode well for them either. And this is Capcom + RE, where character development is almost nonexistent.

As much as I'd love to see Chris & Jill again, I won't get my hopes up.

There's that too but then again Barry was in his 50's and they might come up with some BS excuse to keep her(Jill) young(just look at Nina/Anna from Tekken)

[Deadbeard]

I was reminded of Samus Aran.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff184/Haesyx/samus_arm.jpg

This was my first thought. On a somewhat related note U8 reminds me of the Metroid Prime's exoskeleton, the file mentioning a U8-Prime didn't help either.

[CODE_umb87]

What exactly is Chris and Jill's story? Their ongoing feud with Wesker? They never really had a "story", so I dont see how they are now being excluded from the RE universe. Just because Wesker's dead means they can now retire? I highly doubt Wesker was the only bioterrorist out there you know, and just because he's gone doesn't mean the world is rid of all evil. There will always be someone out there following in his footsteps. And as long as there is evil in the world, these two will never give up. Its like Chris says at the end of RE5, "...For a future without fear...Yeah, it's worth it."

Chris and Jill are the fighting type, they're not the kind of people that give up, retire, get married(well, maybe), have kids, sit on the couch, get overheight...thats just not their style. Look at Wesker, 49 and still trying to destroy the world. If Wesker is able to do his thing at that age, I see no reason why Chris and Jill can't. So age really doesn't have anything to do with it. As long as there is biological threats in the world, I highly doubt we've seen the last of these two.

[Darinl1979]

I dont think age is a factor really, unless they were to fast foward 10-15 years. Chris at the age he is in RE5 was better then any of his previous appearances, and Jill despite her lack of gametime has honed her skills further then we last saw her.

As much as I would like a game featuring the two of them again, I dont think it will happen just because almost everything linked to them that was significant has been taken care of. Sure, they might make it home...Jill could rejoin the BSAA and continue to fight but continuity wise theres nothing that appealing anymore. It would be a hard sell for any new antagonist for them, and if they get thrown into a situation similiar to the Mansion Incident again, fans will just groan and call it too predictable. So as much as I like the two of them, I find it difficult to imagine a story that I would be interested in regarding them. I could say the same for other characters as well as I really could care less what becomes of Leon or Ada as I feel RE5 will probably be the last RE game I actually get excited for.

[Jill's Boob]

^Agreed. Matrix ninja cirque de soleil acrobat supersecret agent 007 Solid Snake amalgamations like Leon & Ada do NOT equal "Survival HORROR." If anything, they represent the bastardization that changed this franchise in RE4.

That's my main reasoning behind my support for "rebooting" the franchise with new antagonists and new protagonists.

I suppose you all could be right in assuming Chris & Jill aren't too old for more adventures...but honestly, how many video games focus on "older" heroes and heroines? As much as the "old school" characters are fan favorites, "younger" heroes are more appealing to the "younger" video game market.

Anyway, concerning Jill...despite the claims that she's highly sexualized in her "battlesuit" attire, I still feel that she looks better than her RE3 character model.

Her RE3 look is disturbing, as she looks emaciated and dressed like she scores smack with her body. I really hate the RE3 art design. WTF is wrong with her jaw bone?! Her head looks like an alien with brown hair.
http://www.realsoftwaredevelopment.com/WindowsLiveWriter/Top10FamousNintendoVoices_8F08/200pxJill_Valentine_Resident_Evil_33.jpg

[adamb1029]

^Agreed. Matrix ninja cirque de soleil acrobat supersecret agent 007 Solid Snake amalgamations like Leon & Ada do NOT equal "Survival HORROR." If anything, they represent the bastardization that changed this franchise in RE4.

That's my main reasoning behind my support for "rebooting" the franchise with new antagonists and new protagonists.

I suppose you all could be right in assuming Chris & Jill aren't too old for more adventures...but honestly, how many video games focus on "older" heroes and heroines? As much as the "old school" characters are fan favorites, "younger" heroes are more appealing to the "younger" video game market.

Anyway, concerning Jill...despite the claims that she's highly sexualized in her "battlesuit" attire, I still feel that she looks better than her RE3 character model.

Her RE3 look is disturbing, as she looks emaciated and dressed like she scores smack with her body. I really hate the RE3 art design. WTF is wrong with her jaw bone?! Her head looks like an alien with brown hair.
http://www.realsoftwaredevelopment.com/WindowsLiveWriter/Top10FamousNintendoVoices_8F08/200pxJill_Valentine_Resident_Evil_33.jpg

your forgetting where its made Jill's boob,capcom probably thought alot of women dressed like that knowing them.

[Jill's Boob]

^Eh, I'm not even complaining as much on her attire (that's been done to death) but her face. I think that character model has a "butterface."

I think the best looking Jill I have ever seen is the RE5 BSAA Jill. I borrowed my friend's strategy guide and there's a picture of her on page 188 that is adorably cute. I'll scan it and post it.

[adamb1029]

hmm..your right its nowhere near as good as her REmake and RE5 face
and is it me or is her neck LONGER in RE3 then the other games? it looks kind of like its six inchs long sometimes.

[Jill's Boob]

Now THIS is a cute Jill. (Plus she's not dressed like a streetwalker. :P )

http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/Jill_s_Boob/BSAAJill.jpg

[adamb1029]

why yes it is..i acctualy prefer her in STARS and BSAA gear over the tubetop and skirt.
dont know why

[Jill's Boob]

^I think "missvalentine" will thoroughly enjoy that picture if she's never seen it before. :)

[Vector]

Now THIS is a cute Jill. (Plus she's not dressed like a streetwalker. :P )

Yeah, I love that model of her. I thought the hat could've used a BSAA logo or something, seeing as Chris is logo'd up in like 3 or 4 places and Jill has no logo whatsoever, but it doesn't matter...she looks really cute there.

[adamb1029]

can we see some ingame screenshots of that outfit(and the battlesuit) please
whered you get that picture anyway?

[Jill's Boob]

I scanned that image from my pal's RE5 strategy guide. As for ingame screenshots...you'll have to ask A-J or one of those other tech savvy folks. It took me like 30 minutes just to work my scanner. I am, how do you say, technologically inept...

But the BSAA Jill "figure" is pretty awesome too. That's the best bet for BSAA Jill screencaps. (As the other parts of the game featuring BSAA Jill just show her getting bitchslapped by Wesker.)

[adamb1029]

or are in mercs..but thats not really usefull either
Jill is probably the most confident and capable female video game character i have ever seen/played as though.
and ive played alot of games with female characters

[A-J]

i'm not tech savvy at all lol, i'm just a level 50 sage of the google searches :p

here's some ..

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo354/devi14/CAPTURAS%20RE5/234354235.jpg

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo354/devi14/CAPTURAS%20RE5/87982.png

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo354/devi14/CAPTURAS%20RE5/98765.png

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo354/devi14/CAPTURAS%20RE5/987654.png

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo354/devi14/CAPTURAS%20RE5/9867875867.png

http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo354/devi14/CAPTURAS%20RE5/879578.png

[Jill's Boob]

Yeah I like Jill too, just not as much as some people. :P

I still stand by my assessment that BSAA Jill is a weakling in Mercs. I mean, her weaponry is pretty weak and I get my lowest scores with her. So maybe I should just say "she's MY weakest character" since some people think that my opinion is just to incite Jill fanatics. ;)

[adamb1029]

im a Jill fanatic..
but i dont come off as one verry much do i?
still the only female video game characters i think i can safely compare to Jill are bloodrayne(but her games are basicaly a softcore porno)and Jennifer Mui from Playground of destruction/world in flames

[Sina]

Her RE3 look is disturbing, as she looks emaciated and dressed like she scores smack with her body. I really hate the RE3 art design. WTF is wrong with her jaw bone?! Her head looks like an alien with brown hair.
http://www.realsoftwaredevelopment.com/WindowsLiveWriter/Top10FamousNintendoVoices_8F08/200pxJill_Valentine_Resident_Evil_33.jpg
You bring up an interesting point which is one thing I hate about Capcom. The fact that when they make a game, they make 3-4 separate and different looking models for every goddamn character for that game. If you take RE3 for example, first they make the ingame model. (strangely, even though it has the least detail of the 3 versions, it's by far the most realistic and "attractive" one.)

http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RE2%263/Update%209/Image52.jpg
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RE2%263/Update%2042/Image21.jpg
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RE2%263/Update%209/clocktower.jpg

Then they make the model for the CGI cutscenes, which in this case looks like a mutant ginger.

http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RE2%263/Update%202/Image90.jpg

But not content with that, then they go and make the model for promotional material, which is the one Jill's Boob posted, to be used on covers and that kind of thing, including:

http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RE2%263/Update%201/Image3.jpg

I could understand their reasoning I guess, since CGI Jill isn't very presentable. But promotional Jill isn't any better. I especially don't get the promotional models for RECV, though.

Ingame models look fine. We're doing good so far.

http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RECV/Update%202/Image3.jpg
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RECV/Update%202/Image76.jpg
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RECV/Update%2022/Image70.jpg

CGI models looked great for its time.

http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RECV/Update%2030/ending106.jpg
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RECV/Update%201/Image34.jpg
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RECV/Update%2030/ending104.jpg
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RECV/Update%201/0216133341.jpg

Then, the fucking awful promotional material models again.

http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/RECV/Update%201/recvdc0b.jpg
http://ui25.gamespot.com/1272/claireredfield_2.jpg

Thankfully, they've reached a level of character detail in RE5 where they don't have to rely on that kind of thing anymore.

[Stars1356]

I didn't like Chris's GCI model in CV. What is with his hair, most people think her looks asian.

[Jill's Boob]

Yeah, RECV has not aged well. As for RE2 & RE3...their cutscenes (to me) are uglier than the ingame models. I don't know how to explain that other than to say the CG models look like animated mannequins.

As for the CG RECV Chris...he looks like a Korean pop star. Yikes!

[adamb1029]

Yikes indeed o_o

[Sina]

Yeah, RECV has not aged well. As for RE2 & RE3...their cutscenes (to me) are uglier than the ingame models. I don't know how to explain that other than to say the CG models look like animated mannequins.
Definately. RE2 is even worse than RE3 in this aspect. I think at the time CGI cutscenes were just so goddamn hightech and exciting you didn't really care, you were just amazed by the technology.


As for the CG RECV Chris...he looks like a Korean pop star. Yikes!
And his original Dreamcast model had even spikier hair. I played that version, and it was just so shocking since his CGI clone only showed up at the very end of the game.

[Mr_Zombie]

Thankfully, they've reached a level of character detail in RE5 where they don't have to rely on that kind of thing anymore.

They've already did this with REmake and RE4 - in-game models, maybe only adjusted here and there, were used for advertising too, and CGI models (from REmake) were very similar to the in-game ones.

But then comes RE Zero... where Rebecca, in the game itself, has three different models (one in-game and two different ones for CGI), and the fourth model for promo material.

[adamb1029]

honestly as much of "fanservice" and "for males" as Jill's RE3 outfit was i saw ALOT of women dressed like that back then where i lived,and thank god that process is over,i was under the impression REmakes in game models WERE its CGI models.

[missvalentine]

There's that too but then again Barry was in his 50's and they might come up with some BS excuse to keep her(Jill) young(just look at Nina/Anna from Tekken)

well since Jill in mercs has no scar on her chest, im beting if she appears again we will be told her aging has slowed down due to some magical virus.


^I think "missvalentine" will thoroughly enjoy that picture if she's never seen it before. :)

i love the picture, her face looks so pretty. :lol:



But the BSAA Jill "figure" is pretty awesome too. That's the best bet for BSAA Jill screencaps. (As the other parts of the game featuring BSAA Jill just show her getting bitchslapped by Wesker.)

so there is a BSAA Jill model? i have 5 more to get. a 25 emblem one, two 30 emblem ones, and the A and S ranking on all levels ones. im guessing Jill BSAA is the hardest?


Yeah I like Jill too, just not as much as some people. :P

I still stand by my assessment that BSAA Jill is a weakling in Mercs. I mean, her weaponry is pretty weak and I get my lowest scores with her. So maybe I should just say "she's MY weakest character" since some people think that my opinion is just to incite Jill fanatics. ;)

i disagree, my highest score ever in mercs was wen i was playing as Jill battle suit, and i can get some pretty high score with Jill BSAA as well. plus her melee moves make it so fun.

also im slightly bothered that instead of putting Barry in mercs, they had 2 Weskers and gave Wesker a magnum instead of poor forgotten Barry.

[Jill's Boob]

so there is a BSAA Jill model? i have 5 more to get. a 25 emblem one, two 30 emblem ones, and the A and S ranking on all levels ones. im guessing Jill BSAA is the hardest?

No, she's the second to last one to unlock.


i disagree, my highest score ever in mercs was wen i was playing as Jill battle suit, and i can get some pretty high score with Jill BSAA as well. plus her melee moves make it so fun.

It probably helps that you use Jill 99% of the time, am I right? :P And I still think BSAA Jill has the worst weapons load...but I bet even if all she had was a handful of rocks, you'd still use her...

[missvalentine]

No, she's the second to last one to unlock.



It probably helps that you use Jill 99% of the time, am I right? :P And I still think BSAA Jill has the worst weapons load...but I bet even if all she had was a handful of rocks, you'd still use her...

well tribal Sheva has sharp rocks on sticks. :P

no i use them all equally. and my two highest scores are both with Jill. my third is with Chris is think.

BSAA Jill has a great handgun though, bu the lack of grenades makes her a bit hard to use i will admit, but i can always just pick them up of dead enemies.

[Jill Lover]

Oh I've missed so much this thread :P

[Darinl1979]

Oh I've missed so much this thread :P

Wow I just noticed the total post count for this thread. Its amazing what kind of discussion Capcom can spark with their "headstone-hype" advertising.

On a side note though, there are few things that you could ever find in a video game that are more beautiful then watching Sheva climb on top of Jill in a battlesuit and pull around her chest area.

[Vector]

Fucking hell, we made it a FULL WEEK without a post in this topic and the -- oh, nevermind, it's just Jill Lover.

[Jill Lover]

Well you'll have to excuse me but I wasn't able to visit the forums for about a month so.. you understand ;).

[missvalentine]

Wow I just noticed the total post count for this thread. Its amazing what kind of discussion Capcom can spark with their "headstone-hype" advertising.

On a side note though, there are few things that you could ever find in a video game that are more beautiful then watching Sheva climb on top of Jill in a battlesuit and pull around her chest area.

:lol: yeah that was pretty hot.


anyways, in my time away i have thought up of 2 theory about Jill.

1. i think Jill plays Football.

because you know those shoulder pads on her STARS outfit must of been there for a reason, maybe she plays football. and she did dive tackle Wesker out of a window in RE5, so i think there is a chance Jill plays football.

2. Jill can't die unless she's naked.

this was just something i noticed, everytime Jill's life is in peril, she always narowly escapes death but loses an article of clothing in the process.

i mean, in RE5 Chris fires his pistol at her, she narrowly doges it, but her mask is shot off. then later when she and Chris are fighting, Chris is going to have to kill her is she keeps acting evil, then Jill rips her Shirt open revealing the druging thing, so Chris can save her.

in that add for the slot machine, Jill is hit by the Tyrant full force, enough to kill her, but all that happens is her skirt and top rip.

in the RE1 beta, Jill's model has her in her STARS outfit except her pants are ripped revealing her legs, so i assume she was attacked by a cerberus on the way to the mansion or something.

i haven't played UC yet, but i heard there was a cutscene where she is cornered by a zombie and then oral sex happens.

in the flashback in RE5 Jill pushes Wesker and herself out of a window. then in the files it is said they both survived but Jill was only just alive, then obviously Wesker undressed her and got into that suit sometime in the next few years and also did a number of experiments on her.

but in RE3, where she is already half naked, Nemesis gets her arm with a tentacle, i doubt that would have been the case if she was wearing proper clothes for the occasion.

so i assume, that if Jill ever does die, chances are she will have little to no clothing on at the time.

[BadWolfX]

And since most of the major villains in the series have tentacles these days, it's sure to lead to some very er...."interesting"....fan art.

[Gradon]

Oh please, NO!
Also, people speculated months/years ago that the bonus scenario in Umbrella Chronicles was Sherry, well, now that RE5 is out, maybe it was actually Jill?
Wesker putting her through survival tests?
Thoughts? xD

[padamibr]

Wow, I read the full tread this week, and I'm tired now.... It's amazing how cool Jill's situation developed here, first people were praying for her not to be dead, than some saying she was the BMW, the tube girl, both, none... some even almost guessed what would happen to her...

[Darkmoon]

Yeah, Capcom was not subtle in the last few months about who she was. It wasn't hard to guess.

[Darinl1979]

Yeah, Capcom was not subtle in the last few months about who she was. It wasn't hard to guess.

I disagree with that. Capcom avoided mentioning Jill aside from the headstone. Aside from one trailer that came out exactly one month before the game, nothing else strongly hinted at it. Only those who watched the trailers over and over and paid attention to exact parts could find the details on how Jill would be in the game. I mean I kind of had it figured out, as did most people who speculated for months about it...the problem was that once you started playing the game...it was really obvious. Chapters 3-5 were basically a hunt to find Jill...whereas based on the trailers from October, we were lead to believe she was dead.

[padamibr]

I disagree with that. Capcom avoided mentioning Jill aside from the headstone. Aside from one trailer that came out exactly one month before the game, nothing else strongly hinted at it. Only those who watched the trailers over and over and paid attention to exact parts could find the details on how Jill would be in the game. I mean I kind of had it figured out, as did most people who speculated for months about it...the problem was that once you started playing the game...it was really obvious. Chapters 3-5 were basically a hunt to find Jill...whereas based on the trailers from October, we were lead to believe she was dead.
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Yeah, I guess that although Capcom has realeased a lot of info, I remember a lot of people saying that the BMW could be Rebecca, Claire or even Ada. But I knew from the febuary trailer it was Jill, I just knew. But it didn't take away the epicness of the moment where Wesker reveals her to Chris. And was, without a doubt, the most epic moment I have ever see in my videogame history. Mainly because RE is the only franchise I love, and that's because of Jill. If wasn't for her, I would just like RE, as I like Gears of War or COD. Jill makes it so special for me.

[hellrizer]

Jill is super hot and lethal all at once!!

[Darinl1979]

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Yeah, I guess that although Capcom has realeased a lot of info, I remember a lot of people saying that the BMW could be Rebecca, Claire or even Ada. But I knew from the febuary trailer it was Jill, I just knew. But it didn't take away the epicness of the moment where Wesker reveals her to Chris. And was, without a doubt, the most epic moment I have ever see in my videogame history. Mainly because RE is the only franchise I love, and that's because of Jill. If wasn't for her, I would just like RE, as I like Gears of War or COD. Jill makes it so special for me.

Even if people didn't like how Jills role ended in the game, I think everyone was in agreement that the de-hooding and seeing her there was a great moment. For me, just because I had speculated and paid attention to all news ever since I found out she died. Even people that were out of the loop were thrilled with it. I played my first time with a friend who didn't play but just watched. He hadn't played a game since RE3 so he was familiar with Jill, so when that moment came he was like "HOLY FUCK". Partly because he was surprised, partly because like me he couldnt believe how Jill's breasts had grown over the years.

[Bertha]

partly because like me he couldnt believe how Jill's breasts had grown over the years.

Did you not play RE3? That game took the chance to focus on her tits in cutscenes in the same manner Tomb Raider games focus on Lara's ass and breasts. It was simply seeing Jill's body in a higher definition that makes them seem "bigger".

[Vector]

Jill's boobs? Nawww...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3598/3417173424_d8459c3870_o.jpg

Let the discussion begin.

[padamibr]

Jill's boobs *______________________*

[Beanovsky Durst]

Well sometimes you have to let things grow.

- Looks at Jill Battlesuit in Mercenaries

http://www.jugo.it/fotoarticoli/costume/homer_simpson.jpg

Mmmmmm... cleavage....

[Mr. Spencer]

Welcome to GameFAQs.

[Vector]

Welcome to GameFAQs.

When I created that titty timeline, my goal was to spark a discussion about the progression of visuals in gaming as well as the degradation of society as shown by the ever-increasing use of sex as a tool to sell copies. It started with Lara Croft and continues today with the ever-expanding bustline of Jill Valentine.

But thanks for your sarcasm...very constructive, as always.

[Mr. Spencer]

Thank you, Mr. Redfield. I endeavour to bring my unique style of cynical humour to every thread, I hope that we can collaborate again in the future. By the way, any news on your PS3 getting fixed? Did you go ahead with that bloke from eBay?

[Jill Lover]

Jill's boobs? Nawww...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3598/3417173424_d8459c3870_o.jpg

Let the discussion begin.

hehe... nice picture Chris... I think she looks AWESOME in her BSAA outfit... she should've got a lot more than just a cameo... you know... Capcom made us all believe that she was dead just for a marketing move and $$$$ they know Jill Valentine sells, I don't know why they didn't want to make a side story with... she could've given a lot more... she was so cool,. but her role was so ridiculous... the best scene was the flashback... that's Jill... she's brave... she would do anything to take care of her partner... I didn't like her rol in RE5... It's Capcom running out of ideas... I would have prefered her not to be in this game and be the main character in RE6... she got few scenes, and no extras at all... it's a big pity.

[missvalentine]

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Yeah, I guess that although Capcom has realeased a lot of info, I remember a lot of people saying that the BMW could be Rebecca, Claire or even Ada. But I knew from the febuary trailer it was Jill, I just knew. But it didn't take away the epicness of the moment where Wesker reveals her to Chris. And was, without a doubt, the most epic moment I have ever see in my videogame history. Mainly because RE is the only franchise I love, and that's because of Jill. If wasn't for her, I would just like RE, as I like Gears of War or COD. Jill makes it so special for me.

:D same here, if RE was Jill free, then it would not have the same feel for me, i don't think i would like it as much as i do. Characters are a really big deal for me when i play games, watch movies or read books. i can get a good story line of great gameplay anywhere, but i rarely find a character that i really really like.

also i think her bust line was the smallest in RE3, yet everyone says it's her fan service outfit.

[A-J]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3598/3417173424_d8459c3870_o.jpg

strange that her boobs seem incredibly smaller in the most revealing outfits ..

[Skunky]

That's some damn fine research there, AJ.
Great job! ^_^

[Mr. Spencer]

You know, I think that Jill's BSAA outfit is my favourite. I like the Sarah Connor look that they were going for with it, and it's realistic too. No gallavanting through the streets of a ruined city wearing a tank top and mini skirt, she looked prepared and ready for action. Her RE1/REmake attire is more iconic, but I love her BSAA uniform.

Definitely not a fan of her Samus Aran look, didn't find that at all appropriate.

[Vector]

That's some damn fine research there, AJ.
Great job! ^_^

*cough* http://www.the-horror.com/forums/showpost.php?p=92590&postcount=1293

[A-J]

i stole yer thunder :P

[padamibr]

:D same here, if RE was Jill free, then it would not have the same feel for me, i don't think i would like it as much as i do. Characters are a really big deal for me when i play games, watch movies or read books. i can get a good story line of great gameplay anywhere, but i rarely find a character that i really really like.

also i think her bust line was the smallest in RE3, yet everyone says it's her fan service outfit.
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haha, nice to see that are other like me.
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Well, I liked her role in RE5, if you think just for the history, she plays a major role. I hope to see a DLC with something with her, like a mission Wesker send her, or even a mission with Chris. It's imposible that Capcom didn't think anything like this, not only because it's a great ideia, but as everyone said, Jill sells!
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About her outfits, in RE5 I love both of them, BSAA is cute, sometimes I drop the mp5 just to see her better, than I start walking around and have fun. But her battlesuit is awesome, it's something unique for a RE character.
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I love her RE1 and RE3 outfits as well.

[padamibr]

Also, Jill has proved that she is willing to sacrifice everything, and this is something that I respect a lot.

[Vector]

I'll have to agree, her BSAA outfit is my favorite. Her STARS outfit is more iconic than it is cool or acceptable. I mean...it's classic, but, what the hell is with those shoulder pads? The beret is nice too, but as a whole, I definitely like her BSAA outfit the best...she looks too cute with that baseball cap on...and at the same time, she looks incredibly professional, like a true operative.

[Henry Spencer]

You know, I think that Jill's BSAA outfit is my favourite. I like the Sarah Connor look that they were going for with it, and it's realistic too. No gallavanting through the streets of a ruined city wearing a tank top and mini skirt, she looked prepared and ready for action. Her RE1/REmake attire is more iconic, but I love her BSAA uniform.

Definitely not a fan of her Samus Aran look, didn't find that at all appropriate.

Thank you for the analysis, Gok Wan.

[Beanovsky Durst]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1376/1368871068_ba8c5d57f3_d.jpg

I think this is the outfit where Jill looks like a real pro.

She looks like a normal operative. No abnormal cleavage, revealing skirts, or football shoulders. Just the appropiate outfit for the mission.
And still looks hot.

[Vector]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1376/1368871068_ba8c5d57f3_d.jpg

That's my second-favorite outfit of hers. She really loves the color blue, huh?

[A-J]

she has a host of awesome alternate costumes in RE3, those are pretty rad. Too bad capcom didn't do a dozen real time costumes like that for 5.

[padamibr]

I guess light blue is Jill favorite color.

[Vector]

Scratch what I said earlier, THIS is my favorite outfit of Jill's:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/2/21/RE1_starshandgun2.jpg/400px-RE1_starshandgun2.jpg

[Darinl1979]

That's my second-favorite outfit of hers. She really loves the color blue, huh?

They designed her outfits like that on purpose. In the SG theres an interview talking about how they used certain colors on certain characters to keep them in the likeness from previous games. Green for Chris, Blue for Jill. I think every official appearance for them, they were donning those colors.

I like the one from UC, then I think BSAA is my next favorite.

[Jill Lover]

I don't know why everybody complains about her RE3 oufit, fanservice or not that won't change the fact that is her most popular outfit, most cosplayed too.
She doesn't look like a sl*t, she's fine for me, it might not be the best one but it is still cool. I love her BSAA outfit, UC Winter suit and Sarah's outfit it pretty similar to her BSAA style... RE3 outfit (REMAKE version) looks awesome too.
I remember RE3 with those 7 alternative outfits for her, her police suit was great too.
http://www.jill-valentine.net/Gallery/RE3costumes/65.jpg
http://www.jill-valentine.net/Gallery/RE3costumes/14.jpg
http://www.jill-valentine.net/Gallery/RE3costumes/45.jpg
http://www.jill-valentine.net/Gallery/RE3costumes/79.jpg

This one was cancelled. It was going to be her alternative outfit for the Invisible Enemy mode... they said it was too hot. :P

http://www.crunkgames.com/therest/fashion/img/negajill.jpg

Noone can deny Jill from RE3 is the best one. Bravest personality ever. Sense of justice and stronger.

[aris13]

http://www.crunkgames.com/therest/fashion/img/negajill.jpg


That reminds me of Sarah Connor. Nice

[Mr. Spencer]

No no, Aris! The beret! The beret! Linda Hamilton didn't wear a beret!

Which brings me to today's fun fact. Contrary to popular belief, my username is not named after Umbrella's founder, Ozwell E. Spencer, but rather the hapless Frank Spencer from Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em.

http://dailybahai.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/591374621_3f7f92dbb0.jpg

[Bianca]

Scratch what I said earlier, THIS is my favorite outfit of Jill's:

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/2/21/RE1_starshandgun2.jpg/400px-RE1_starshandgun2.jpg

Dude. AGREED. I love that bonus outfit. It's probably my favorite alternate costume in the Resident Evil series. It's just so cool! REmake definitely had really awesome costumes. Chris' CVX outfit looked amazing and so did his silly little gangsta thing.

[Vector]

Dude. AGREED. I love that bonus outfit. It's probably my favorite alternate costume in the Resident Evil series. It's just so cool! REmake definitely had really awesome costumes. Chris' CVX outfit looked amazing and so did his silly little gangsta thing.

Yeah, I dunno if it was a nod to her Delta Force days or what, but that's an awesome costume. Not only does it look cool and bad-ass but it's also very, very sexy at the same time...proving that a character doesn't need to dress like a street-walker(RE3) or a member of the X-Men(RE5) to look hot.

[Weskers Flag]

I was watching one of the final cutscenes of RE5 the other day, and I just really wanted to push her out of that helicopter and into the lava.

[BLSR1]

Jills police cop uniform is now my favorite.

[missvalentine]

love all of Jill's outfits and uniforms. but i think her STARS one is my favorite, and her BSAA outfit, then her police uniform in RE3, and i really really love what she's wearing in my sig, and i like what she's wearing in UC as well.

and yes her Delta Force outfit is a nod to her days in Delta Force.

also i really like that one of Jill in a black STARS uniform, it's lovely.



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2. Jill can't die unless she's naked.

this was just something i noticed, everytime Jill's life is in peril, she always narowly escapes death but loses an article of clothing in the process.

i mean, in RE5 Chris fires his pistol at her, she narrowly doges it, but her mask is shot off. then later when she and Chris are fighting, Chris is going to have to kill her is she keeps acting evil, then Jill rips her Shirt open revealing the druging thing, so Chris can save her.

in that add for the slot machine, Jill is hit by the Tyrant full force, enough to kill her, but all that happens is her skirt and top rip.

in the RE1 beta, Jill's model has her in her STARS outfit except her pants are ripped revealing her legs, so i assume she was attacked by a cerberus on the way to the mansion or something.

i haven't played UC yet, but i heard there was a cutscene where she is cornered by a zombie and then oral sex happens.

in the flashback in RE5 Jill pushes Wesker and herself out of a window. then in the files it is said they both survived but Jill was only just alive, then obviously Wesker undressed her and got into that suit sometime in the next few years and also did a number of experiments on her.

but in RE3, where she is already half naked, Nemesis gets her arm with a tentacle, i doubt that would have been the case if she was wearing proper clothes for the occasion.

so i assume, that if Jill ever does die, chances are she will have little to no clothing on at the time.

i just need to add a bit to this.

Jill has an appearance in a game called Under the Skin, and when she takes damage, guess what, her clothes fall of and she's left running around Raccoon City in her underwear.

also why would Jill leave Delta force at such a young age? was it because everytime she was shot at her clothes fell off?

also i have another theory about Jill and Chris.

Chris see's Jill as an authority figure.

i know there both the same rank, but i think Chris thinks of Jill as a sort of authority figure, kind of like how a husband would just say "Yes Ma'Am!" to everything his wife asked him to unless he wanted to get in trouble later.

i noticed this recently, because like people have said here, Chris doesn't like taking orders or authority figures. but yet twice now he has taken orders from Jill.

first in RE1/Remake, in Chris game right before the seconf Tyrant fight at the elevator, we hear the Tyrant roaring and waking up, Chris goes to hold it off but Jill tells him to go up and signal for Brad while she and Rebecca hold it off. Chris argued slightly but submited to her will and did what she said.

then later in RE5, Chris really really wants to talk to Jill after rescuing her, but she knows her needs to stop Wesker, so she orders him to go after him and complete his mission, Chris is reluctant but does it anyway.

so i assume that Chris see's Jill as a form of authority, and i like that. ^_^

[Darinl1979]

love all of Jill's outfits and uniforms. but i think her STARS one is my favorite, and her BSAA outfit, then her police uniform in RE3, and i really really love what she's wearing in my sig, and i like what she's wearing in UC as well.

and yes her Delta Force outfit is a nod to her days in Delta Force.

also i really like that one of Jill in a black STARS uniform, it's lovely.




i just need to add a bit to this.

Jill has an appearance in a game called Under the Skin, and when she takes damage, guess what, her clothes fall of and she's left running around Raccoon City in her underwear.

also why would Jill leave Delta force at such a young age? was it because everytime she was shot at her clothes fell off?

also i have another theory about Jill and Chris.

Chris see's Jill as an authority figure.

i know there both the same rank, but i think Chris thinks of Jill as a sort of authority figure, kind of like how a husband would just say "Yes Ma'Am!" to everything his wife asked him to unless he wanted to get in trouble later.

i noticed this recently, because like people have said here, Chris doesn't like taking orders or authority figures. but yet twice now he has taken orders from Jill.

first in RE1/Remake, in Chris game right before the seconf Tyrant fight at the elevator, we hear the Tyrant roaring and waking up, Chris goes to hold it off but Jill tells him to go up and signal for Brad while she and Rebecca hold it off. Chris argued slightly but submited to her will and did what she said.

then later in RE5, Chris really really wants to talk to Jill after rescuing her, but she knows her needs to stop Wesker, so she orders him to go after him and complete his mission, Chris is reluctant but does it anyway.

so i assume that Chris see's Jill as a form of authority, and i like that. ^_^

They are partners...friends...and probably even more then that. I don't think there is any authority over one between either of them. Chris listened to what she said simply because he knew she was right and its fairly obvious shes one of the few people Chris would have no problem listening to. I think they are both considered the same status in the BSAA, well not withstanding Jill's "deceased" status, they both were Original Eleven members.

[News Bot]

also why would Jill leave Delta force at such a young age? was it because everytime she was shot at her clothes fell off?

She was never in Delta Force. She received training akin to that of Delta Force. She was not an actual member.


i noticed this recently, because like people have said here, Chris doesn't like taking orders or authority figures. but yet twice now he has taken orders from Jill.

Once. It's unlikely Chris would just shove two women into a bunch of monsters. It's more likely that Chris, Barry and possibly Rebecca stayed behind to hold off the monsters while Jill used the flare. And the second time it wasn't even an order, it was just Jill snapping Chris into his senses again.

[Vector]

missvalentine...you've reached an all-time low with this one.


also i have another theory about Jill and Chris.

Chris see's Jill as an authority figure.

Lol, no he doesn't. That doesn't make any sense.


i know there both the same rank, but i think Chris thinks of Jill as a sort of authority figure, kind of like how a husband would just say "Yes Ma'Am!" to everything his wife asked him to unless he wanted to get in trouble later.

Maybe this 'authority figure' you think Chris sees Jill as is just a showing of respect, you ever think of that? Chris Redfield is a goddamn respectful son of a gun. And it's also likely that Chris and Jill have some sort of more-than-partner feelings for each other, so, maybe what you say about the husband and wife thing makes some sense...but as far as seeing her as an authority figure? No.


i noticed this recently, because like people have said here, Chris doesn't like taking orders or authority figures. but yet twice now he has taken orders from Jill.

first in RE1/Remake, in Chris game right before the seconf Tyrant fight at the elevator, we hear the Tyrant roaring and waking up, Chris goes to hold it off but Jill tells him to go up and signal for Brad while she and Rebecca hold it off. Chris argued slightly but submited to her will and did what she said.

"Submitted to her will"? Do you listen to yourself?


then later in RE5, Chris really really wants to talk to Jill after rescuing her, but she knows her needs to stop Wesker, so she orders him to go after him and complete his mission, Chris is reluctant but does it anyway.

Really? She ORDERED him? She said "I ORDER you to forget about the fact that I've actually been alive all this time, because the world is about to come to an end." I'm thinking it was more along the lines of Chris's emotions getting the best of him(imagine that) and focusing all of his thoughts on the fact that his partner, good friend and possible love interest actually really was alive all this time, after seeing her 'die' in front of his own eyes. I dunno about you, but I'd probably be a little consumed with the realization that she was alive. Chris's one-track mind is no surprise to anyone.


so i assume that Chris see's Jill as a form of authority, and i like that. ^_^

Yeah...pardon my French, but you really gotta get your head out of your fuckin' ass.

[blaze]

Hahaha. That is a funny notion.

You're basically saying Chris is submissive to Jill xD

I also disagree that Chris sees Jill as a form of "authority". They have a very balanced relationship. And because of their partnership and "maybe more than friends" kind of relationship, Chris just wouldn't see Jill as his superior... more than anything they look at each other as equals.

But it's possible that sometimes, Chris may just be a tad whipped when it comes to Jill :P

[padamibr]

They are partners...friends...and probably even more then that. I don't think there is any authority over one between either of them. Chris listened to what she said simply because he knew she was right and its fairly obvious shes one of the few people Chris would have no problem listening to. I think they are both considered the same status in the BSAA, well not withstanding Jill's "deceased" status, they both were Original Eleven members.

I agree with this. And I think that there was something more between them, they care way to much for one another.

About Jill in Delta Force, she wasn't a member but recived the trainning? Or she was a member of a unit similar to Delta Force?

[Darinl1979]

I agree with this. And I think that there was something more between them, they care way to much for one another.

About Jill in Delta Force, she wasn't a member but recived the trainning? Or she was a member of a unit similar to Delta Force?

I thought it said that she was, but it could of just been training similiar to it. I forget where it was mentioned...


Hahaha. That is a funny notion.

You're basically saying Chris is submissive to Jill xD

I also disagree that Chris sees Jill as a form of "authority". They have a very balanced relationship. And because of their partnership and "maybe more than friends" kind of relationship, Chris just wouldn't see Jill as his superior... more than anything they look at each other as equals.

But it's possible that sometimes, Chris may just be a tad whipped when it comes to Jill :P

Chris strikes me as the stubborn type, where its almost impossible to convince him to change his mind. Unless you are someone he cares about and willing to listen...IE) Jill, Claire

[padamibr]

Anyway... Jill for me is the ultimate fighter.
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She's determined, strong, highly trained, have a unmatch experience, have a strong sense of justice and in top of all that, she's willing to sacrifice everything.
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I just want to see her in action more, I'm praying for a DLC with her.

[Darinl1979]

This is where I disagree with you. I don't think Jill is the "ultimate" fighter. Now I think what makes Jill and other Resident Evil protagonists great is that they are human and have weakness as is shown in games. I think one of the factors that turned people off about Jill in RE5 was that she had super human strength and speed (albeit from an enhancement drug). In previous games we were always reminded of her weakness...RE1, she was poisoned, RE3, she was infected and out of action for 2 days. I almost wish something like this would of happened to Chris or Sheva in RE5...sure they got their asses kicked by Wesker but they still kept on pushing and didn't stop for anything.

[Mr. Spencer]

Hm, missvalentine is beginning to develop the all too familar stench of feminism.

[padamibr]

This is where I disagree with you. I don't think Jill is the "ultimate" fighter. Now I think what makes Jill and other Resident Evil protagonists great is that they are human and have weakness as is shown in games. I think one of the factors that turned people off about Jill in RE5 was that she had super human strength and speed (albeit from an enhancement drug). In previous games we were always reminded of her weakness...RE1, she was poisoned, RE3, she was infected and out of action for 2 days. I almost wish something like this would of happened to Chris or Sheva in RE5...sure they got their asses kicked by Wesker but they still kept on pushing and didn't stop for anything.

Maybe you got me wrong. I'm not saying she is invincible. But for me, she got every quality that a solider needs, and in a high level.

[Mr. Spencer]

Maybe you got me wrong. I'm not saying she is invincible. But for me, she got every quality that a solider needs, and in a high level.

Pardon me asking, but have you served in a military capacity?

[padamibr]

Pardon me asking, but have you served in a military capacity?
.
Negative. I had to go to the army a couple of times last year but I hadn't had to serve. Why do you ask?

[Mr. Spencer]

You had to go to the army, but you didn't serve? Would it be terribly rude of me to ask you to elaborate?

[padamibr]

Well, here (Brazil), you need to go to the army, it's a obligation. So, I've gone a couple of times, done some tasks and then I was dismissed of my duty. I can be called anytime though.

[BLSR1]

Lets not forget about THIS (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2003/e3/gc_pn03/gc_pno3_screen025.jpg) alternate outfit for Jill.


It's so amazing, it got its own game.

:P

[Mr. Spencer]

Well, here (Brazil), you need to go to the army, it's a obligation. So, I've gone a couple of times, done some tasks and then I was dismissed of my duty. I can be called anytime though.

National service, eh? I don't think you've got too much to worry about. Brazil is a relatively peaceful country.

[missvalentine]

ok wow i got a lot of flames for that. :(



She was never in Delta Force. She received training akin to that of Delta Force. She was not an actual member.



Once. It's unlikely Chris would just shove two women into a bunch of monsters. It's more likely that Chris, Barry and possibly Rebecca stayed behind to hold off the monsters while Jill used the flare. And the second time it wasn't even an order, it was just Jill snapping Chris into his senses again.

lolwut?!

it's quite well known Jill was in Delta Force, even if it's impossible because she's to young capcom makes the cannon, and she's in Delta Force.

also i wasn't saying that was the canon ending, we don't know the canon ending, but it's just twice Jill has told Chris to do something and he did what he said, kinda like taking orders.


missvalentine...you've reached an all-time low with this one.



Lol, no he doesn't. That doesn't make any sense.



Maybe this 'authority figure' you think Chris sees Jill as is just a showing of respect, you ever think of that? Chris Redfield is a goddamn respectful son of a gun. And it's also likely that Chris and Jill have some sort of more-than-partner feelings for each other, so, maybe what you say about the husband and wife thing makes some sense...but as far as seeing her as an authority figure? No.



"Submitted to her will"? Do you listen to yourself?



Really? She ORDERED him? She said "I ORDER you to forget about the fact that I've actually been alive all this time, because the world is about to come to an end." I'm thinking it was more along the lines of Chris's emotions getting the best of him(imagine that) and focusing all of his thoughts on the fact that his partner, good friend and possible love interest actually really was alive all this time, after seeing her 'die' in front of his own eyes. I dunno about you, but I'd probably be a little consumed with the realization that she was alive. Chris's one-track mind is no surprise to anyone.



Yeah...pardon my French, but you really gotta get your head out of your fuckin' ass.

i never said Jill was a higher rank that Chris, i know they have always had the same rank, but i said Chris see's Jill as a sort of authority, maybe it's out of his respect for her yes, but whenever she tells him to do something he's all yes ma'am about it. i think in Chris's head, Jill is a woman tobe respected. i didn't mean to say Chris thinks Jill is in charge of him, it's just if Jill want's him to do something, he's quite likely to go along with it without arguing to much.


Hm, missvalentine is beginning to develop the all too familar stench of feminism.

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[News Bot]

it's quite well known Jill was in Delta Force, even if it's impossible because she's to young capcom makes the cannon, and she's in Delta Force.

That was in her old biographies when Mikami couldn't write for jack. Someone in Capcom changed it with UC and RE5 to her receiving special forces training, akin to that of Delta Force.


also i wasn't saying that was the canon ending, we don't know the canon ending, but it's just twice Jill has told Chris to do something and he did what he said, kinda like taking orders.

Except neither happened. You're taking one scene which may or may not be canon as just that because you are obsessed, and you took the second completely out of context and mis-interpertated it completely.

[missvalentine]

That was in her old biographies when Mikami couldn't write for jack. Someone in Capcom changed it with UC and RE5 to her receiving special forces training, akin to that of Delta Force.



Except neither happened. You're taking one scene which may or may not be canon as just that because you are obsessed, and you took the second completely out of context and mis-interpertated it completely.

i was taking two scenes which i like, that also had Jill telling Chris to do things. canon is irrelevant here.

[Alexia_Ashford]

i was taking two scenes which i like, that also had Jill telling Chris to do things. canon is irrelevant here.

Of course it is. Canon is relevant. If it's not canon, it's not even worth mentioning because it doesn't have relevance to the series; it never happened. That's like me arguing that Alexia pwns Wesker because in the original Code: Veronica, she beat him up and threw him into the door. If you're going to make an argument about a character and relationships between characters, you have to back it up with points/moments that actually HAPPENED.


Hm, missvalentine is beginning to develop the all too familar stench of feminism.

Feminism? I thought missvalentine was a man?

[missvalentine]

Of course it is. Canon is relevant. If it's not canon, it's not even worth mentioning because it doesn't have relevance to the series; it never happened. That's like me arguing that Alexia pwns Wesker because in the original Code: Veronica, she beat him up and threw him into the door. If you're going to make an argument about a character and relationships between characters, you have to back it up with points/moments that actually HAPPENED.

well know one knows if it's canon or not, since know one knows what the complete canon of RE1 is, just that both characters events are canon. so i thought it worth mentioning.

so unless capcom tells us who held the tyrant off and who lit the flare, there both canon endings. so it is canon.

[Alexia_Ashford]

They're not both canon endings. It's impossible for them to both be canon. One happened or the other, with multiple endings we can never really know. Either way, it's not really "giving Chris orders".

P.S, are you a man? Mr. Spencer has confused me with these ideas of feminism now.

[missvalentine]

They're not both canon endings. It's impossible for them to both be canon. One happened or the other, with multiple endings we can never really know. Either way, it's not really "giving Chris orders".

P.S, are you a man? Mr. Spencer has confused me with these ideas of feminism now.

what i meant was it's possible for both of them to be canon. since neither has been disproved and niether has been proved canon.

and i think he said the feminism comment because i said "like a husband sometimes see's his wife as a sort of authority" when explaining my theory.

ill PM you.

[nemesiswontdie]

i thought missvalentine was a girl thus MISSvalentine

[Alexia_Ashford]

I know, but the "missvalentine" could be because they're referring to Jill Valentine. I always assumed they were a man because of the "I LOVE WOMEN" in the signature, though I suppose they could be a female with alternative sexual preferences. Just putting something like that seems like more male behaviour.

Neither has been proved or disproved to be canon, therefore it sits in a grey area and it's difficult to be used to back up a theory or argument, especially considering that the alternative scenario is a lot more likely, given the nature of the characters involved.

[missvalentine]

can we get back on topic perhaps?



Neither has been proved or disproved to be canon, therefore it sits in a grey area and it's difficult to be used to back up a theory or argument, especially considering that the alternative scenario is a lot more likely, given the nature of the characters involved.

alright, i see your point. but i just thought it was an interesting theory and decided to share it nonetheless.

[Alexia_Ashford]

I personally think the relationship between the two is a lot less of a "husband and wife" relationship, but mutual respect and care between two partners who've been through a lot of turbulent periods of their lives together, both have the determination to take down Umbrella and who share a lot together.

[padamibr]

i was taking two scenes which i like, that also had Jill telling Chris to do things. canon is irrelevant here.
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I agree whit the canon irrelevant thing is that situation. I always see the game as posibilitys, however, you need to have a good sense. For exemple, in RE3, Jill could jump from the bridge or throw Nemesis from it. I guess the cannon is that she jumped, but it really doesn't metter from my POV, I mean, if she decided that she would throw Nemesis instead, she would have escaped Raccoon City... although Barry would probably have died.
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Now, when it comes to a conversation between characters it is much easier. So, if Jill had that conversation with Chris, it would have happened that way. So, I guess it's a valid argument.

[Darinl1979]

Canon is what ends up being used in future games and what continues the story. Sure small details like if Jill jumped or threw Nemesis really don't matter, but there are others that are more relevant. People have debated what was canon in terms of RE1 and thanks to how the game was made, its really hard to say. Jills confrontation with Wesker makes more sense because of Barrys involvement, but wouldn't that cause Wesker to hate Barry or Jill more then Chris? Weskers dialogue when talking to Claire in CVX showed his hatred was more on Chris then anyone else. Then of course there is UC, its really too bad they didn't include Barry or it could of been believable that the STARS stuck together through the whole thing.

Bottom line, Canon matters if you want to play the games and have a story that makes sense (or as much sense as a RE story can make).

[Jill's Boob]

i never said Jill was a higher rank that Chris, i know they have always had the same rank, but i said Chris see's Jill as a sort of authority, maybe it's out of his respect for her yes, but whenever she tells him to do something he's all yes ma'am about it. i think in Chris's head, Jill is a woman tobe respected. i didn't mean to say Chris thinks Jill is in charge of him, it's just if Jill want's him to do something, he's quite likely to go along with it without arguing to much.



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Hilarious. As in "fucking stupid."

So, when Chris tells Jill to "run for that mansion," I guess she is acknowledging his authority and submissively doing as he says?

CHRIS: "Jill, run for that mansion!"
JILL: "Yes sir, I'll do as you say sir!"

Like you, I can take random bits of dialogue and situations and spin them any way I want to as well.

Jesus Christ. As CR29 said, you've reached an all time low.

[BLSR1]

All of you have reached an all time low.

This argument is stupid.

All of you should feel bad.

[Vector]

P.S, are you a man? Mr. Spencer has confused me with these ideas of feminism now.

"SHE'S A MAAAAN, BAY-BAY!"

/austin powers

[nemesiswontdie]

LOL

[BLSR1]

"SHE'S A MAAAAN, BAY-BAY!"

/austin powers

LoL

[Bertha]

"SHE'S A MAAAAN, BAY-BAY!"

/austin powers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOIEGz7o_s

[Vector]

"Well, you have to admit, she is rather man-ish!"

[Jill's Boob]

I was playing RE5 the other day, and I totally noticed that in the "Spencer Estate" flashback, Jill always waited for visual confirmation from Chris on when to act. Their body language implicitly conveys that Chris is the dominant member of the pair.

I think in Jill's head, Chris is a man to be respected.

[BLSR1]

Or maybe they are equals who respect each other.

[Bertha]

Or maybe they are equals who respect each other.

Indeed. Because of the two, Chris was the only one to actually have fought him before (unless you count the Prelude to the Fall comics).

[Jill's Boob]

I also believe that they are equals. Partners =/= superior & subordinate.

My last post was pure sarcasm.

[Vector]

Chris and Jill are BFF's, guys. PFL. Partners For Life. That's all there is to it.

[Bertha]

I also believe that they are equals. Partners =/= superior & subordinate.

My last post was pure sarcasm.

I don't think you've ever been serious in this thread unless you were being confrentatinal. :P

[Jill's Boob]

^Yeah, you are probably right.

Anyway, I can't believe that there are 69 pages in this thread. Wow.

And in the immortal words of Billy Madison: "Ahahahahaha...sixty-nine."

[nemesiswontdie]

And in the immortal words of Billy Madison: "Ahahahahaha...sixty-nine."


gotta love billy madison ^_^

[Jill Lover]

Everyone keeps wondering why there are 69 pages in this thread but yet they're still posting here.... weird thing.

[Bertha]

Everyone keeps wondering why there are 69 pages in this thread but yet they're still posting here.... weird thing.

No...no one really wonders. This page has about maybe two or three decent arguments/conversatations, the rest is just spam and bickering, or overzealous Jill worshipping.

[Vector]

Everyone keeps wondering why there are 69 pages in this thread but yet they're still posting here.... weird thing.

There's nothing to wonder about. Fanboys and fangirls have exalted her above the series...and this thread is filled with those same boys and girls, plus all the people who disagree, plus all the spammers, plus lots of blind worship, and a few decent arguments here and there.

[Jill Lover]

There's nothing wrong with fanboys, I guess. Aren't we all in someway?
We are not strangers to the fact that Jill is very popular in the videogames' world but speaking of which, and taking deep into her role in RE5, I'm unexpectedly happy that she won't appear in other game, because they raped her all they wanted and I believe I had enough of pathetic character development. There's no reason of having her in another adventure and also, they changed a lot her reasons of fighting... she wasn't supposed to be background character either... but you know... games get old and in the process, you get bored of it. RE is done for me, It's done the old story... I don't know if it is clear my point... they should've erased the old story and start a new one... with no interferation from the good 'ol characters we all know.
It's like, for e.g, we've been all waiting for Spencer to show up and then you get a glimpse of how he died, that's all... that's the way Capcom fixs their plot holes in their games. We get nothing, and at the end of the day you realise that it was a fun game... and what are we gettin' of logical plots with dramatic endings. RE5 was a big dissapointing in terms of chronology and it didn't live up with but expectations at all. Chris should've died with Wesker, sacrificing his life for Sheva, in order to avoid Wesker's attemps of pulling down Sheva from the rope when they're climbing to the helicopter (having flashes of Jill's death). More dramatic just a little bit, that endin would've been epic. I don't know... The missing story is something I can't get over now...

Sorry... I really needed to vent my frustration by saying that.

[TyrackT71]

There's nothing wrong with fanboys, I guess. Aren't we all in someway?
We are not strangers to the fact that Jill is very popular in the videogames' world but speaking of which, and taking deep into her role in RE5, I'm unexpectedly happy that she won't appear in other game, because they raped her all they wanted and I believe I had enough of pathetic character development. There's no reason of having her in another adventure and also, they changed a lot her reasons of fighting... she wasn't supposed to be background character either... but you know... games get old and in the process, you get bored of it. RE is done for me, It's done the old story... I don't know if it is clear my point... they should've erased the old story and start a new one... with no interferation from the good 'ol characters we all know.
It's like, for e.g, we've been all waiting for Spencer to show up and then you get a glimpse of how he died, that's all... that's the way Capcom fixs their plot holes in their games. We get nothing, and at the end of the day you realise that it was a fun game... and what are we gettin' of logical plots with dramatic endings. RE5 was a big dissapointing in terms of chronology and it didn't live up with but expectations at all. Chris should've died with Wesker, sacrificing his life for Sheva, in order to avoid Wesker's attemps of pulling down Sheva from the rope when they're climbing to the helicopter (having flashes of Jill's death). More dramatic just a little bit, that endin would've been epic. I don't know... The missing story is something I can't get over now...

Sorry... I really needed to vent my frustration by saying that.

very well said jill lover (tear rolles down cheak)

[Darinl1979]

I didn't have a huge problem with Jill in RE5...I just feel they could have done more. As BMW she didn't really accomplish anything...aside from assisting Irving and beyond that she didn't get a redeeming factor once she was brought back around. I guess by not having her do anything, they preserve Jills state of mind of "omg what have I done".

[missvalentine]

this topics direction lately is making me mad, it's about Jill not me, and it's not about spamming either.


Hilarious. As in "fucking stupid."

So, when Chris tells Jill to "run for that mansion," I guess she is acknowledging his authority and submissively doing as he says?

CHRIS: "Jill, run for that mansion!"
JILL: "Yes sir, I'll do as you say sir!"

Like you, I can take random bits of dialogue and situations and spin them any way I want to as well.

Jesus Christ. As CR29 said, you've reached an all time low.

so by making a theory about Jill, in which Chris is seen as slightly less macho than normal, i have reached an all time low. ^_^ great.



Or maybe they are equals who respect each other.

they probably are.

i was just saying that sometimes it seems Chris lets Jill order him around as well, maybe proving that they are in fact equals, since RE5 came out, some Chris fans seem to think the world revolves around Chris, and that Jill is nothing but an unimportant side character. i felt the need to change that.


There's nothing to wonder about. Fanboys and fangirls have exalted her above the series...and this thread is filled with those same boys and girls, plus all the people who disagree, plus all the spammers, plus lots of blind worship, and a few decent arguments here and there.

take a good look in the mirror.

this topic is about Jill you know, talk about her, or your spamming and going off topic.


There's nothing wrong with fanboys, I guess. Aren't we all in someway?
We are not strangers to the fact that Jill is very popular in the videogames' world but speaking of which, and taking deep into her role in RE5, I'm unexpectedly happy that she won't appear in other game, because they raped her all they wanted and I believe I had enough of pathetic character development. There's no reason of having her in another adventure and also, they changed a lot her reasons of fighting... she wasn't supposed to be background character either... but you know... games get old and in the process, you get bored of it. RE is done for me, It's done the old story... I don't know if it is clear my point... they should've erased the old story and start a new one... with no interferation from the good 'ol characters we all know.
It's like, for e.g, we've been all waiting for Spencer to show up and then you get a glimpse of how he died, that's all... that's the way Capcom fixs their plot holes in their games. We get nothing, and at the end of the day you realise that it was a fun game... and what are we gettin' of logical plots with dramatic endings. RE5 was a big dissapointing in terms of chronology and it didn't live up with but expectations at all. Chris should've died with Wesker, sacrificing his life for Sheva, in order to avoid Wesker's attemps of pulling down Sheva from the rope when they're climbing to the helicopter (having flashes of Jill's death). More dramatic just a little bit, that endin would've been epic. I don't know... The missing story is something I can't get over now...

Sorry... I really needed to vent my frustration by saying that.

i totalyl agree, well said Jill Lover.

[Bertha]

this topics direction lately is making me mad, it's about Jill not me, and it's not about spamming either.

so by making a theory about Jill, in which Chris is seen as slightly less macho than normal, i have reached an all time low. ^_^ great.


they probably are.

i was just saying that sometimes it seems Chris lets Jill order him around as well, maybe proving that they are in fact equals, since RE5 came out, some Chris fans seem to think the world revolves around Chris, and that Jill is nothing but an unimportant side character. i felt the need to change that.


You hold Jill up on a higer alter than the series, whining over ever little thing YOU disagree with. "Jill's dead? WAAAA" "Jill's blonde? BAAAAWWW" "Jill's a support character? NOOOOO!". Your theories have been both moronic and groundless (Jill cant die because of her clothes, etc). Jill looks up to Chris, and he looks up to her. It's mutal respect. In all media, she is following his orders. Even Jill's game is about her wanting to escape the city to, guess why, meet up with Chris. Her diary is about, guess who, Chris. In the Prelude to the Fall comic, (done by Capcom Japan), Jill again follows behind Chris. He even has to remind her about keeping her composure and how foolish she was to holster her weapon in a dangerous situation.

The ONLY time Jill "orders" Chris to do anything is when, in 5, she snaps him out of his emotional state so he can go after Wesker.



take a good look in the mirror.

He doesn't say he's leaving the series if his favorite character dies. So no...he's not like you. Nor has he made a thread about Chris and posted practically 70 pages about him. Chris probably deserves his own thread...but you don't see people rushing to make one. Why? Oh...because the Jill thread was created so people would stop spamming other topics about Jill. That's why.

[Vector]

take a good look in the mirror.

this topic is about Jill you know, talk about her, or your spamming and going off topic.

Never said I didn't spam...pretty much anyone who's posted in this topic is guilty of spamming at least once, because let's face it, there REALLY isn't that much about Jill Valentine to talk about...not enough to fill up sixty-nine pages, anyway.


Buuuut since we are now on the subject of mirrors...let's roll with that. Do you own a mirror? Have you ever looked in one? If you have, you'd probably see what we all see...a pathetic fangirl/fanboy(no one knows for real, it's a big mystery, OMGZ) who does nothing but use their sick, twisted obsession to turn everything in the direction of the almighty Jill Valentine. Logic or reason? They don't exist. It is ONLY Jill Valentine.

We all have our favorite characters. We all like certain characters a lot. Hell, I like Chris Redfield, it's no secret...but I don't make everything into a Chris fiesta, Chris this and Chris that. Lots of us on here love certain characters...and we probably keep a lot of it to ourselves...but not you. Some would call that commendable, and maybe I would've agreed at the beginning...but this garbage has gone on long enough.

Your so-called 'theories' are nothing but baseless and idiotic Jill-obsessed bullshit, and you bring nothing to the table except agreeing with people who like Jill, and bitching about anything you can find not Jill-worthy, whether it be her hair color or or how the P30 device didn't mesh well with her skin tone. This is a 'discussion' topic. This isn't the "Jill Valentine Jizz-fest" topic. Go to another RE site if you wanna post your fangirl/fanboy bullshit, because honestly, and I know I'm not the only one who feels this way...it's gotten really old, and I'm sick of it.


I'm not into messageboard quarrels or personal attacks, but I feel like I had to defend myself here. I've ignored most of your debauchery for a long time and never would I have thought I'd speak my mind so fluently, but you had to have the audacity to call me out. Don't tell me to look in the mirror.

[Darkmoon]

Alright, folks, no more personal comment shit. Everyone calm down or the topic gets locked. And I, you know, give everyone infractions.

[valentinesdead?]

I'm I the only non-worshipping Jill fan left out there in the world? I've avoided this topic pre-RE5 simply out of fear of any leaking of spoilers, but just reading the last couple pages, I've laughed my ass off. To even try to legitimately suggest that somehow Chris takes orders from Jill because he's *pussy-whipped* or something, is pretty silly. While I feel some have been pretty unfair in their analysis to Jill's importance, or her determination versues Chris's, its still Chris who leads the pack. Chris is THE protagonist of Resident Evil, bar none, just like Wesker was THE antagonist, until the lava bath and the rockets to the face sealed his fate. Even though I feel Code Veronica's depeiction of Wesker's hatred for Chris is pretty outdated(because let''s face it, Code Veronica hasn't aged well at all as far as story, script, and the plot execution Oh little fishy, come see my hook Nuff said.) It's more of Chris wanting to avenge the death's of the STARS members, and obviously the destruction of Raccoon City, while Wesker is more as to view Chris as a annoyance of sorts(his atittude toward both Chris and Jill in Prelude to the Fall and Umbrella Chronicles, as well as RE5, kinda proves that point). But back to the point.

There's no way in hell Jill overrides Chris, but that doesn't make her chop liver or a bland character like some want you to believe. Resident Evil doesn't exactly burst with great characterization ala Metal Gear Solid, but it excels at being more subtle about it, hinting at it. It prefers sticking more to the plot at hand than actually trying to grasp these characters and their meaning in the narrative itself. Anyways, the way I see it, Jill is vital to Chris's story, because it's obvious these too *care* for each other. Capcom just didnt' go out and say it, which is probably a good thing actually. She consist of the origianl "trio" of main charaters (Chris, Jill, Wesker), where they were either/or on the same playing field, but as the series has progressed, and with the revival of Wesker, can anyone honestly see Jill being the "main" rival to Wesker? No, and why is that--because she is a woman, more or less. Granted she can chew bubble gum and kick ass all day, but she's still a woman, and the role of a female protagonist is more often than not to be foil for the two male leads in the story, which is more or less the route RE5 took(which, I don't know about a few folks on here, but I really liked). That's not a bad thing at all or anything. That doesn't make her a pointless, throwaway side character, but important to Chris's plight, a reason he does what he does. Though, it does kinda make it seem like Jill's active protagonist days may be over, considering that Wesker's dead, Umbrella's gone, she been through god knows what, and is lucky to have survived it all. Chris is much easier to see going on to face new evils, but at this point, story-wise, Jill's important task boils downt o more or less being *there*(interrept that however you want) for Chris. Which really, comes to the whole point I"m making. Jill is strong-willed and a fighter, but Chris IS the one she trust and follows. It's common sense. It's the way nature works. It's the way between a man and a women.(Not to sound like some opressive guy here or anything, but I just mean, women will tend to follow there men on things).

But anyways, I too hate how alot of the so-called "Jill Illumados" really give Jill a bad and unfair reputation. And yes I'm a huge Jill fan. She's my favorite protagonist, but honestly, Wesker might get my vote for favorite character.(Villians are da best!). But I also gotta allota love for Chris as well, and really all the characters, even Leon, because despite all the shit he gets, LOL, they're all pretty great(with the exception of the Carlos's and Steve's of the RE world mind you)

Anyways, that's my two cents, even if it wasn't asked for. I sometimes just don't understand how some fans can be so single-minded for a series that has alot of great characters in it. . .

[padamibr]

OMG, Jill make people fight everywhere! Damn...
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Well, about her plote in the series, I always thought about Wesker-Chris-Jill being the three main characters, the main RE history is around these three. Of course you can say that Wesker is more conected to Chris, but you can't think Chris without Jill.

[nemesiswontdie]

OMG, Jill make people fight everywhere! Damn...
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Well, about her plote in the series, I always thought about Wesker-Chris-Jill being the three main characters, the main RE history is around these three. Of course you can say that Wesker is more conected to Chris, but you can't think Chris without Jill.


i can.

[Jill's Boob]

this topics direction lately is making me mad, it's about Jill not me, and it's not about spamming either.

so by making a theory about Jill, in which Chris is seen as slightly less macho than normal, i have reached an all time low. ^_^ great.

i was just saying that sometimes it seems Chris lets Jill order him around as well, maybe proving that they are in fact equals

Um...what? So you are "mad" that people think less of Jill than you do? And you categorize these people as "Chris fans" as if that is some sort of devious stigma.

People have chosen to denounce your "Jill is the dominant member of the Chris/Jill partnership whereas Chris bows down to her since he respects her" theory (as you call it now). [Speaking of which, why do you always cry foul that people are "attacking you" when they disagree with you?]

And now you're backpedaling saying that you were "just saying that it seems Chris lets Jill order him around as well, maybe proving that they are in fact equals." In fact, your earlier posts were adamant that Chris indeed saw Jill as the alpha member of the duo.


since RE5 came out, some Chris fans seem to think the world revolves around Chris, and that Jill is nothing but an unimportant side character. i felt the need to change that.

Oh no! Shame on fans of Chris thinking that he is important and supporting it with facts straight from the games themselves! Yet you
"felt the need to change that." So, I guess it is a-okay for you - who believes the world revolves around Jill - to make shit up to pull the rug out from underneath those awful Chris fans who might think for a second that the world doesn't in fact revolve around Jill Valentine.

Wow. Thanks for bringing us to our senses.

Like it or not, Chris is the main protagonist of the series. It's right there on the media discs. RE1 --> RE5.

Jill is important, just not as important.

[padamibr]

Well, as I said, you can think about Chris being more important than Jill, but I think you have to see both with the same level of importance... I mean, they are close to each other is this aspect. However, I don't see any of any character in the series but Wesker being so important. It's like, Wesker+Chris+Jill and than come the rest.

[Darinl1979]

You don't have a leg to stand on if you think that Jill is more important than Chris. The struggle seemed to revolve around Chris/Jill/Wesker but was more focused on Chris. Jill just happened to be his partner/friend/girlfriend so she was in the picture as well. Its not saying she isn't important, but she isn't the main focus...aside from one game.

[BadWolfX]

The thing is, in Resident Evil 5, it does revolve around Chris. You could easily replace Jill with Claire and the game would be the same.

Well, I think it'd be a little more interesting in the whole Two On Two fight.

[A-J]

replace everytime someone says partner with brother/sister and you're done.

[padamibr]

The thing is, in Resident Evil 5, it does revolve around Chris. You could easily replace Jill with Claire and the game would be the same.

Well, I think it'd be a little more interesting in the whole Two On Two fight.
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I don't think it's that simple. First, Claire is not anyone, she's Chris sister, so you would be changing a major characters of another major character. But you would have to rethink a lot of things, like, what the hell would be Claire doing with Chris after Spencer? Would she have the chance to sacrifice herself for Chris, or even more, would she be willing to do that? What Wesker would do with her? And so on, I could keep going...
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I'm not trying to say that Jill is a main characters in RE5, because she's not, but her importance is huge. For exemple, she was the only reason why Chris kept going...
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One thing that isn't a big deal but I think it's worth mentioning is that she's the very first character that appears in the game...

[Bertha]

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For exemple, she was the only reason why Chris kept going...


The fallacy with that is that Chris doesn't exactly show much of a train of logic. Jill tackles Wesker out a window. Her body is never found and she's presumed dead. Fair enough...no normal human would be able to survive that. Jill does (which is retarded on its own) and Wesker decides to experiment on her blah blah blah. However...Chris then suspects that Jill is alive, and yet he's so staggered to see Wesker alive again as well. Why would he never string two and two together and think...well if Jill's alive, somehow Wesker would be too! I mean come on....Chris dropped a ton of steel beams on the man's head, and Wesker shook it off like it was nothing.

I don't think Chris's anti-terrorist drive is because of Jill, but rather hers is because of his. True, because he thought she was dead he did push himself more, but the entire series was Chris leading the way with Jill following. Chris did the investigation of Umbrella (even without Jill as quoted from her diary), Chris went to Europe first to go after Umbrella HQ while Jill stayed behind to do a bit more research on Umbrella in Raccoon. Jill regroups with Chris. Jill follows Chris to Russia. Because of Chris, Jill joins the BSAA.

[Weskers Flag]

"Her body is never found and she's presumed dead. Fair enough...no normal human would be able to survive that. Jill does (which is retarded on its own) and Wesker decides to experiment on her blah blah blah."

Me thinks that she landed on top of Wesker. Maybe Wesker even had the plan to control her and such before they even hit the ground.

[Bertha]

Me thinks that she landed on top of Wesker. Maybe Wesker even had the plan to control her and such before they even hit the ground.

Even falling on top of him would have killed her.

[Weskers Flag]

"Even falling on top of him would have killed her."

Well, I'm sure that if Wesker wanted to save her, he would have found a way. Even falling hundreds of feet to the ground. Or water. Or whatever was under them.

[TyrackT71]

"Even falling on top of him would have killed her."

Well, I'm sure that if Wesker wanted to save her, he would have found a way. Even falling hundreds of feet to the ground. Or water. Or whatever was under them.

wesker is magic, he can do any thing apparently exept survive two rockets and a ocean of lava, but but capcom will probley say that he somehow survied

[padamibr]

I don't think Chris's anti-terrorist drive is because of Jill, but rather hers is because of his. True, because he thought she was dead he did push himself more, but the entire series was Chris leading the way with Jill following. Chris did the investigation of Umbrella (even without Jill as quoted from her diary), Chris went to Europe first to go after Umbrella HQ while Jill stayed behind to do a bit more research on Umbrella in Raccoon. Jill regroups with Chris. Jill follows Chris to Russia. Because of Chris, Jill joins the BSAA.
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I guess you got me wrong, when I said that, I was saying just about RE5... and Chris himself says that.
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Now, I agree 100% with you that Chris is fighting agains Umbrella/Bioterrorism beucase of his own will, and I also agree when you say Chris is more of a leader of the duo. However, I don't agree when you say that Jill is just fighting because of Chris, they both fight because they think it's the right thing to do. And this is why Jill stays in Raccoon, because she has her own will too. I mean, Jill is not fallowing Chris, they are going together, simply because they both share the same ideas and have the same goals, and of course, they care for each other a lot. And it's not because of Chris that Jill join the BSAA, as I said, they both join together, both are part of the Original Eleven.

[A-J]

The fallacy with that is that Chris doesn't exactly show much of a train of logic. Jill tackles Wesker out a window. Her body is never found and she's presumed dead. Fair enough...no normal human would be able to survive that. Jill does (which is retarded on its own) and Wesker decides to experiment on her blah blah blah. However...Chris then suspects that Jill is alive, and yet he's so staggered to see Wesker alive again as well. Why would he never string two and two together and think...well if Jill's alive, somehow Wesker would be too! I mean come on....Chris dropped a ton of steel beams on the man's head, and Wesker shook it off like it was nothing.



I always thought that the estate was by the sea-side and the sheer cliff drop had water at the bottom ..

[Vector]

I always thought that the estate was by the sea-side and the sheer cliff drop had water at the bottom ..

Even still, at the kind of height we're led to believe they fell from, it would've been pretty tough to survive, water or no water.

[Bertha]

I always thought that the estate was by the sea-side and the sheer cliff drop had water at the bottom ..

Why do you think jumping off a bridge kills you? It's because hitting the surface of the water is practically the same as hitting concrete. Anyone that has ever took a bad dive off a high dive at a pool knows how badly it hurts.

[Vector]

Why do you think jumping off a bridge kills you? It's because hitting the surface of the water is practically the same as hitting concrete. Anyone that has ever took a bad dive off a high dive at a pool knows how badly it hurts.

Try belly-flopping off of a high dive...with testicles:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1286/782779930_9b2b4721b4.jpg?v=0

[A-J]

Why do you think jumping off a bridge kills you? It's because hitting the surface of the water is practically the same as hitting concrete. Anyone that has ever took a bad dive off a high dive at a pool knows how badly it hurts.


They probably landed in a perfect swan dive position :P or wesker blocked most of the fall with his invincibility. He was in the front afterall.

[Bertha]

They probably landed in a perfect swan dive position :P or wesker blocked most of the fall with his invincibility. He was in the front afterall.

I'm sure that's how Capcom would have brushed it away, but the fact of the matter is Jill's body would have been crashing into a solid body with a great amount of force. But then again...Capcom really fails when it comes to bringing people back to life and explaining it away. Just take Ada Ayanami for example...she either falls to her death or is practically crushed by Mr. X, and yet she manages to bandage herself, get a rocket launcher to Leon/Claire, escape a monster filled lab before it explodes, and then escape a monster filled city, all the while doing some fantasic acrobatics for a person that was on death's door a few moments earlier, and ALSO not have any trouble escaping a nuked city...on the cargo of a helicopter....and at no point do her injuries bother her at all.

[BadWolfX]

The way I see it: Wesker survives the fall but Jill is knocked uncouncious and near death. Wesker, seeing ~evil plan potential~ in her dying body, saves her and heals her, whilst doing his ~evil things~.

[Vector]

Or maybe Wesker used his Nightcrawler teleportation abilities and he and Jill landed in a pool full of marshmallows!

[Bertha]

Or maybe Wesker used his Nightcrawler teleportation abilities and he and Jill landed in a pool full of marshmallows!

Even better! Chris was on LSD and only imagined Jill and Wesker going out the window. Meanwhile, Wesker captivates Jill with hooker boots and a shiny gold watch, and they simply walk out the front door!

[A-J]

Or maybe there never really WAS a Jill to begin with ... 0_p

[Bertha]

Or maybe there never really WAS a Jill to begin with ... 0_p

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b53/ayaichi/lolwut/happy.jpg
REALLY?!

[Vector]

Or maybe there never really WAS a Jill to begin with ... 0_p

A year ago I would've never thought I'd say this, but: I wish that were true.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Okay, back ON TOPIC..

The only reason Jill survived that fall is because she fell with Wesker. There's no physical way she could have survived otherwise. Wesker can survive falls from great heights, as evidenced in RE5 where he survives a fall from a plane, and he jumps extremely high in CV (over walls et cetera) and lands perfectly fine. The most logical explanation would be that he caught her and saved her life. It's obvious Wesker could survive falls that other humans would be crushed from.

[A-J]

but i still hold the "jill was on top of wesker" thing, remember the end of Bourne Identity ? It worked there .. (granted the fall wasn't as high, but it was on solid ground, and it kind of worked).

[Alexia_Ashford]

It could have worked. We don't really know how high it was, just that it was off a cliff. That chinese girl jumped onto her boyfriend and he died, and she was injured but lived because she was on top of him. Not to mention the fact that Wesker has super powers and could have survived her crushing him when they landed. It's not that hard to imagine.

[padamibr]

I think that is pointless thinking about how could Jill have survived... I mean, it's just RE game... we can't expect to much sense.

[Bertha]

I think that is pointless thinking about how could Jill have survived... I mean, it's just RE game... we can't expect to much sense.

This. Chris saw Wesker and Jill hit the water. If Wesker had done something to break the fall, Chris would have seen it. Even if Wesker had done something to prevent the full brunt of the fall, it still would have killed Jill. Learn some physics people...bodies in motion, etc. But again....logic is lost in most aspects of the game, so in the end it turns into yet another argument of opinions.

[Vogue_Dirge]

I always imagined them falling into an ocean for some reason. Chris does say her body was never found and they had a burial for her. If there had landed on the ground there would be evidence somewhere of them landing, and then the BSAA would have become suspicious much earlier.

If they had landed in the ocean there's a much higher chance that if they didn't find their bodies, they would figure they were dragged away with the current, or sank, and then just deemed both Wesker and Jill dead.

Though Chris should have known better, seeing as how Wesker has Super human powers.

[A-J]

I think that is pointless thinking about how could Jill have survived... I mean, it's just RE game... we can't expect to much sense.


but that's like saying it's pointless to even have a jill valentine discussion topic >_> , we're all here to discuss various aspects of the character, including how she survived a massive fall. Ain't nothing wrong with that. No matter how bat shit insane the game's portrayal of the event is :p

[padamibr]

but that's like saying it's pointless to even have a jill valentine discussion topic >_> , we're all here to discuss various aspects of the character, including how she survived a massive fall. Ain't nothing wrong with that. No matter how bat shit insane the game's portrayal of the event is :p
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You're 100% right.

[padamibr]

Although it's great to discuss pointless things.

[Vector]

but that's like saying it's pointless to even have a jill valentine discussion topic >_>

*cough* -.-

[padamibr]

"Jill, Jill, Jill. You're like a broken record you know that"
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I guess this is the best sentence is Resident Evil history.

[Darkmoon]

As I understand it, the reason people die when they hit the water is because they suddenly move a lot slower, but it takes a few moments for there internal organs to get the idea and so they sorta get...yeah, I don't need to draw you a graphic picture.

So, Jill landing on Wesker wouldn't make any difference...her liver would still be mush. Wesker must have got hold of her and slowed down there descent somehow. Maybe he grabbed a out jutting piece of rock or something.

[Darkmoon]

As I understand it, the reason people die when they hit the water is because they suddenly move a lot slower, but it takes a few moments for there internal organs to get the idea and so they sorta get...yeah, I don't need to draw you a graphic picture.

So, Jill landing on Wesker wouldn't make any difference...her liver would still be mush. Wesker must have got hold of her and slowed down there descent somehow. Maybe he grabbed a out jutting piece of rock or something.

[Weskers Flag]

I think Jill should be the next one they kill of. Either that, or they kill Chris and make Jill thew min character.

[Weskers Flag]

Sorry for double-posting, but my last one messed up.
"I think Jill should be the next one they kill of. Either that, or they kill Chris and make Jill the new main character."
:D

[A-J]

As I understand it, the reason people die when they hit the water is because they suddenly move a lot slower, but it takes a few moments for there internal organs to get the idea and so they sorta get...yeah, I don't need to draw you a graphic picture.

So, Jill landing on Wesker wouldn't make any difference...her liver would still be mush. Wesker must have got hold of her and slowed down there descent somehow. Maybe he grabbed a out jutting piece of rock or something.


how's about this, they landed on some kind of slopey land that quickly went downwards into water, wesker took the meat of the fall because he was in front, but jill sustained much damage herself, hence she went in the sort-of-coma when wesker brought her in.

[TyrackT71]

how's about this, they landed on some kind of slopey land that quickly went downwards into water, wesker took the meat of the fall because he was in front, but jill sustained much damage herself, hence she went in the sort-of-coma when wesker brought her in.
thats what i think

[P Anderson DIE]

I'm looking at the Jill file on Re5 to see if there's anything been missed it just say's
"Over the side of a cliff"
"Chris watched his partner fall to her death"
"There was a full scale search op, but neither Jill's body or any of her personal effects were ever recovered"
"The fall did not kill Jill nor Wesker, Though badly hurt and unconcious, Jill was saved by Wesker."
Could they be any more vague.

[Darinl1979]

It would of been nice if they explained more how she survived, but oh well. I am going to just assume there was water they landed in, because if it was land there is no way Jill could of survived. She would of been mangled beyond recognition and most likely dead. Even falling in water its unlikely that she could of lived, but its a tad more believable.

[BLSR1]

"Her body is never found and she's presumed dead. Fair enough...no normal human would be able to survive that. Jill does (which is retarded on its own) and Wesker decides to experiment on her blah blah blah."

Me thinks that she landed on top of Wesker. Maybe Wesker even had the plan to control her and such before they even hit the ground.

Jill was injured in the fall (regardless of where she landed), but the dormant T-virus in her body saved her and allowed her to recover quickly. Wesker saw this and started testing on her.

[Darinl1979]

Jill was injured in the fall (regardless of where she landed), but the dormant T-virus in her body saved her and allowed her to recover quickly. Wesker saw this and started testing on her.

No. The T-virus that was dormant didn't show up until she was placed into the Cryostasis tube, probably due to the medication used in it.

[BLSR1]

No. The T-virus that was dormant didn't show up until she was placed into the Cryostasis tube, probably due to the medication used in it.

Fine. Disregard what I said. Now try and explain how Jill survived.

[Bertha]

Fine. Disregard what I said. Now try and explain how Jill survived.

Capcom magic. I already said there's no point in trying to explain it. She lives. End of story. Why do people have to continue harping on something that really doesn't matter any longer?

[Darkmoon]

Because we gain pleasure in discusing and attempting to fix the gigantic fuck ups that always seem to be present in RE games. Capcom's writters may not care enough about the series to try and have it make sense...but we do, much to our ever lasting torment.

[Mr. Spencer]

Or they beamed out to safety just before the fall.

[Alexia_Ashford]

This is the same predicament I found myself in when I tried to logically explain Alexia being in her cryochamber. The fact she had no feeding tubes attached to her. The fact her cells still adjusted even though she was at sub zero temperatures. The fact she was meant to be frozen but when the liquid drained out, it acted like water and she was magically thawed.

It's Capcom Magic, like Rosetta said. We could go over countless theories but in the end, it still doesn't make any sense.

[Henry Spencer]

It just sounds to me like Capcom just don't like killing off any protagonists at all.

[A-J]

well atleast this isn't some bullshit like a magical vertical and horizontal travelling elevator ... :P

[Weskers Flag]

"well atleast this isn't some bullshit like a magical vertical and horizontal travelling elevator ... "

:o I'll bet that was it!

[Archelon]

This is the same predicament I found myself in when I tried to logically explain Alexia being in her cryochamber. The fact she had no feeding tubes attached to her. The fact her cells still adjusted even though she was at sub zero temperatures. The fact she was meant to be frozen but when the liquid drained out, it acted like water and she was magically thawed.

Or that she actually aged while in the tube.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Or that she actually aged while in the tube.

Or the fact that her legs were smooth and she had no armpit hair. So she aged, but she didn't grow any hair on her body, although the hair on her head obviously grew while she was in the tank as it was almost down to her butt when she came out the tube.

[Archelon]

Or the fact that her legs were smooth and she had no armpit hair. So she aged, but she didn't grow any hair on her body, although the hair on her head obviously grew while she was in the tank as it was almost down to her butt when she came out the tube.

Maybe she was genetically modified to be hairless save for her head.

o.O

[Alexia_Ashford]

I think it was more to do with the fact that the male fans wouldn't find a hairy lady very attractive. Capcom would hate that.

[Archelon]

I think it was more to do with the fact that the male fans wouldn't find a hairy lady very attractive. Capcom would hate that.

That was actually kind of what I was getting at, but yeah. XD

[Mr. Rod]

It would of been nice if they explained more how she survived, but oh well. I am going to just assume there was water they landed in, because if it was land there is no way Jill could of survived. She would of been mangled beyond recognition and most likely dead. Even falling in water its unlikely that she could of lived, but its a tad more believable.
All I know of her being saved is that she was medically coma induced in the cryogenic tube. But it doesn't explain how she survived the fall (if they landed on water, Wesker managed to stop the fall somehow, etc).

[Darinl1979]

All I know of her being saved is that she was medically coma induced in the cryogenic tube. But it doesn't explain how she survived the fall (if they landed on water, Wesker managed to stop the fall somehow, etc).

Truth. The Jill Valentine file just says the fall didn't kill her but she was injured. It just falls into that grey area of not being seen on screen so they somehow survived.

[Kronk]

I just assumed that Wesker did that 'shadow-jump' thing that he does and it allowed them to land relatively safely. We'll probably never know, but that's the theory I'm sticking with.


On another Jill note, there is a burlesque troupe in Dallas, Texas called the Lollie Bombs. One of the Dancers, Trixie Toxic, is a huge RE and Jill Valentine fan. Last Saturday she did a dance number dressed as Jill (RE3 version) with a RE theme and dedicated it to me. :)

Obviously I can't post a most of the pics, but here is a SFW one that will give you just a taste.

[Beanovsky Durst]

On another Jill note, there is a burlesque troupe in Dallas, Texas called the Lollie Bombs. One of the Dancers, Trixie Toxic, is a huge RE and Jill Valentine fan. Last Saturday she did a dance number dressed as Jill (RE3 version) with a RE theme and dedicated it to me. :)

Obviously I can't post a most of the pics, but here is a SFW one that will give you just a taste.

But obviously you can upload some pics elsewhere and PM the link -.- Please? ^_^ Hahaha JK. But looks awesome.

[A-J]

dude we demand pictures and videos !

[nemesiswontdie]

dude we demand pictures and videos !

AGREED!


PICS



WE WANT IT!

[REmaster]

dude we demand pictures and videos !

:D:D:D:D *dies*

LOL seriously, that's awesome man. I whole heartedly agree with the two gentlemen above me.
Jill stripping, FTW!

[missvalentine]

I just assumed that Wesker did that 'shadow-jump' thing that he does and it allowed them to land relatively safely. We'll probably never know, but that's the theory I'm sticking with.


On another Jill note, there is a burlesque troupe in Dallas, Texas called the Lollie Bombs. One of the Dancers, Trixie Toxic, is a huge RE and Jill Valentine fan. Last Saturday she did a dance number dressed as Jill (RE3 version) with a RE theme and dedicated it to me. :)

Obviously I can't post a most of the pics, but here is a SFW one that will give you just a taste.

:D

wow your lucky, i also demand pics.


anyways, i think that Wesker must have cussioned her fall, or they fell into water at the perfect angle or something like that.

[Kronk]

dude we demand pictures and videos !

Haha, I'll try to get video next month when I see their show again. I'm not even sure if they allow video at their shows.

I was using my camera phone at the show, which we all know sucks for taking pictures of moving objects in dark environments. The one I posted above is probably the least blurry and grainy one that I have.

She was actually a little disappointed because she wanted to use the tac harness but had a hard time getting it off in a "sexy" manner. lol

[News Bot]

This is the greatest thing to come out of this topic. Please continue.

[A-J]

see female RE fans, this is how cosplaying should be done.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Alexia doesn't really have any outfits which would go well with stripping. You know, the long plum coloured dress and all doesn't tend to reveal much. That, or her naked costume but that isn't really a costume. XD

[A-J]

well, she could slowly tear the shell skin thing apart to reveal the light blue sexiness she's hiding under it :p

[Vector]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3588/3462679275_17f3db7996_o.gif

[Alexia_Ashford]

Well I suppose this is semi-stripperish..

http://media.photobucket.com/image/alexia%20ashford/xxTatumxx/5cab.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3588/3462679275_17f3db7996_o.gif

Lmfao.

[A-J]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3588/3462679275_17f3db7996_o.gif


you are full of win and awesome.

[Vector]

you are full of win and awesome.

Ahh, I can't take credit for that one. I just found it somewhere one day.

[Mr. Spencer]

Somewhere, CR29. Somewhere. =P

[Kronk]

Alexia doesn't really have any outfits which would go well with stripping. You know, the long plum coloured dress and all doesn't tend to reveal much. That, or her naked costume but that isn't really a costume. XD

Ironically, Trixie also does a reverse strip where she starts off in panties and pasties and puts clothes on during the dance. It's actually a pretty hot dance.

[Bertha]

Ahh, I can't take credit for that one. I just found it somewhere one day.

You're a dirty rotton thief, you are. That was my avatar for another site. Thiiiiieeeef. *sniffle* Makes me wish we could have animated avas here.

[Vector]

You're a dirty rotton thief, you are. That was my avatar for another site. Thiiiiieeeef. *sniffle* Makes me wish we could have animated avas here.

Baaaawww. I didn't take credit for it, did I? It was just too cute to pass up...

[Bertha]

Baaaawww. I didn't take credit for it, did I? It was just too cute to pass up...

Meh its ok....because I still have the bigger one. XD

[Vogue_Dirge]

That dancing Alexia is absolutely AMAZING.

I wish there was one of those with Ada
:3

OR JILL, to stay on topic...

[Archelon]

Meh its ok....because I still have the bigger one. XD

Everyone knows it's not the size that matters.

It's how you use it.

[Vector]

Oh my, now we're really getting off-topic. -.-

[Vogue_Dirge]

I was bored

http://i41.tinypic.com/15n3go4.jpg

[Kronk]

Here's some more pics of Trixie from a photographer that was there.

[A-J]

i'm sure you can find more things like videos if you look harder Kronk. :p

[Skunky]

WOW!

Stripping Jill and Dancing Alexia!!!

This thread just keeps getting better. :D

[missvalentine]

Alexia doesn't really have any outfits which would go well with stripping. You know, the long plum coloured dress and all doesn't tend to reveal much. That, or her naked costume but that isn't really a costume. XD

id love to see Alexia in that purple dress, it looks beautiful on her. better than stripper clothes IMO. ^_^

http://www.petite-madame.fr/dessin/fanart/Resident_Evil-Alexia_Ashford.jpg


look how beautiful she looks there. :lol:

[nemesiswontdie]

Here's some more pics of Trixie from a photographer that was there.


wow, i just seen my dream girl.

this was in texas right?

if so...HELL YES! were in the same time zone^_^

[padamibr]

Hey, have you guys seen Jill flip kick in RE5? I have played the game for so much time and have never seen it... I thought that Jill and Wesker had only one special move, but today I discovered that I'm wrong.
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And I have to say, it's the greatest melee move in Resident Evil, seriously!
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If you don't have seen it, take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEWMc1se97o
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Damn! I want to do that agains other players!

[Bertha]

Hey, have you guys seen Jill flip kick in RE5? I have played the game for so much time and have never seen it... I thought that Jill and Wesker had only one special move, but today I discovered that I'm wrong.
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And I have to say, it's the greatest melee move in Resident Evil, seriously!
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If you don't have seen it, take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEWMc1se97o
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Damn! I want to do that agains other players!

That's not news at all. Wesker gets the Rhino Charge and Ghost Butterfly; Jill gets the Cartwheel and the Flip kicks.

Wesker is the only player to get any 'extra' melees, and that's the knee slam he does during his dash.

[Vogue_Dirge]

How do you do the dash? I never learned how

[padamibr]

That's not news at all. Wesker gets the Rhino Charge and Ghost Butterfly; Jill gets the Cartwheel and the Flip kicks.

Wesker is the only player to get any 'extra' melees, and that's the knee slam he does during his dash.
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I expected this, but I have played so much RE5 and I have never seen it...
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By the way, I didn't like Wesker Rhino Charge, it's just a impale... Jill's Flip Kick in the other hand, is the greater!

[Bertha]

How do you do the dash? I never learned how
For Ps3 users is R3 I believe.


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I expected this, but I have played so much RE5 and I have never seen it...
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By the way, I didn't like Wesker Rhino Charge, it's just a impale... Jill's Flip Kick in the other hand, is the greater!

Jill's moves remind me of how utterly over the top Leon's kicks and such were. It's like they couldn't think of anything to use....so they took Sheva's and altered them a bit. Even her taunt is the exact same. Sure Wesker's is the same as Chris's....but they didn't even try with Jill.

[Vector]

How do you do the dash? I never learned how

Click the right stick and he'll dash, then press the fire button mid-dash and he'll do his jumping knee attack.

[nemesiswontdie]

i love weskers speed dash.

[REmaster]

^ As do I. It's very handy when your playing co-op mercs and your buddy on the other side of the map get's cornered. "I'm ON IT" *Dashes to the rescue Pwning Majini's all along the way*

[nemesiswontdie]

yha i didnt no that you could kill majinis by running them over like 3 times.

[Vogue_Dirge]

Does the dash work in Versus??

[nemesiswontdie]

yup

[Vogue_Dirge]

YES!
*runs off to play Versus*

[missvalentine]

Hey, have you guys seen Jill flip kick in RE5? I have played the game for so much time and have never seen it... I thought that Jill and Wesker had only one special move, but today I discovered that I'm wrong.
.
And I have to say, it's the greatest melee move in Resident Evil, seriously!
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If you don't have seen it, take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEWMc1se97o
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Damn! I want to do that agains other players!

:D That is one of the coolest melee moves ive ever seen ever. Almost as cool as what Kratos does in God of War. ^_^

[BadWolfX]

The Flip Kick is pretty much just what Sheva does - the other one is better.

But nothing beats Wesker impaling someone with his fist.

[padamibr]

Jill's moves remind me of how utterly over the top Leon's kicks and such were. It's like they couldn't think of anything to use....so they took Sheva's and altered them a bit. Even her taunt is the exact same. Sure Wesker's is the same as Chris's....but they didn't even try with Jill.
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I don't get what you're saying...
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You think that Jill's moves are like Sheva's?
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I wouldn't think so, Jill's melee moves are very different... they do share some moves, like impaling lickers, open doors and jumping, but so Wesker and Chris.

[padamibr]

The Flip Kick is pretty much just what Sheva does - the other one is better.

But nothing beats Wesker impaling someone with his fist.
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I can't see Sheva doing anything close to Jill's Flip Kick... I mean, there is that Somersault that has the same idea, but it's like comparing my punch with Chris's straight.
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And can you impale other players?

[BadWolfX]

I don't know, why don't you check?

And really? Watched Jill's Flip Kick and then watch Sheva's Somersault, they're very similar moves.

[padamibr]

I don't know, why don't you check?

And really? Watched Jill's Flip Kick and then watch Sheva's Somersault, they're very similar moves.
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Well, I never done it and never saw anyone doing it, however as you said that it's great to see Wesker impaling someone I assumed that maybe there was a way to do it...
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Yes, really. As I said, Sheva's Somersault has a similar idea, but it's not similar to Jill's Flip Kick itself... I would say that similar melees moves are Chris's Hook and Wesker's Panther Fang.

[Bertha]

Both Wesker and Jill's melees are similar to Chris and Sheva, respectively with minor differences. Sheva's kicks are a lot better, but Jill's loaded and ridiculous knee drop probably the only move strikingly different from Sheva's. If anything, I'd say Chris is copying from Wesker's move set. The Cobra Strike/Thrust Punch and the Windfall/Chikyo Chagi were both melees he used in RE4.

[Vector]

Sheva's kicks are a lot better, but Jill's loaded and ridiculous knee drop probably the only move strikingly different from Sheva's.

You're forgetting Jill's ridiculous and disgusting Head Grab attack where she uses her perfectly proportioned, powerful, milky feminine thighs to snap a man's neck. I'd say that's just a tiny bit different than Sheva's Throat Slit.

[padamibr]

I prefer Jill's melee moves over Sheva. And not because both are focused in kicking that they are similar.

[BadWolfX]

It becomes more disgusting in the Battlesuit. Because then it really is just a case of "You see Jills vag before you die!".

[Vector]

It's no secret that Jill was whore'd out for RE5. Tits and vagina lips everywhere. Funny thing is, I think she's sexier in her BSAA uniform. Just goes to show that you don't need a tremendous amount of cleavage, exposed vagina lips and the ass of a latina girl, all in tight spandex, to look sexy.

Not only that, but I've been playing a lot of Mercenaries lately and Jill's voice actor really reminds my partner and I of what a 9-year-old boy should sound like. Listen to when she says "Roger!" I could swear her voice actor's a little boy. Either that, or a very manly woman. It's kind of funny. I suggest paying attention to her voice commands...it's good for lulz.

[BadWolfX]

I think it's her BSAA Figurine that makes me laugh...or whenever she says "COME ON!". She sounds like a boy, like you said. So damn funny.

[Tyrant T-002]

I prefer Jill's moves, but Sheva's kicks make more enemies step back, I think

IMO, some moves are similar, but most are extremely different.
Carwheel kick, flip kick, head grab =/= skull crusher, troat slit...

G2G, my the game I bought has arrived 8D

[missvalentine]

It's no secret that Jill was whore'd out for RE5. Tits and vagina lips everywhere. Funny thing is, I think she's sexier in her BSAA uniform. Just goes to show that you don't need a tremendous amount of cleavage, exposed vagina lips and the ass of a latina girl, all in tight spandex, to look sexy.

Not only that, but I've been playing a lot of Mercenaries lately and Jill's voice actor really reminds me of what a 9-year-old boy should sound like. Listen to when she says "Roger!" I could swear her voice actor's a little boy. Either that, or a very manly woman. It's kind of funny. I suggest paying attention to her voice commands...it's good for lulz.

Jill's voice has always seemed somewhat strange to me (except in RE3) but i like it, it makes her unique, but she doesn't sound like a boy, just a girl with a deeper voice.

also i do agree with you assesment of her fashion. i like classy girls a lot. ^_^

Jill's melee moves are my favorite by far.

[padamibr]

What your fav Jill's move?
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If you consider the specials, It's easy to me to say that it's the Flip Kick, it's not only me favorite Jill's move, but it's the best in the series and I can say it's one of the best I have ever seen, everywhere.
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With only the normals, it's hard to say, everyone of them are great. Damn...
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I would say:
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1 - Double Knee Drop
2 - Head Grab
3 - High Kick
4 - Reverse Roundhouse
5 - Sweep Kick
6 - Roundhouse

[Mr. Spencer]

It becomes more disgusting in the Battlesuit. Because then it really is just a case of "You see Jills vag before you die!".

Don't forget to eat your vagetables!

[nemesiswontdie]

Don't forget to eat your vagetables!


lmao i didnt get that untill the second time i read it.

[Vector]

Chris's Backhand and Wesker's Rhino Charge are both better than any of Jill's melee attacks.

[nemesiswontdie]

Chris's Backhand and Wesker's Rhino Charge are both better than any of Jill's melee attacks.

i agree with this, jill only has 2 moves that are a sure to kill while wesker has 4

rhino charge.
cobra strike
ghost butterfly
knee speed dash.