The Central "Jill Valentine" Discussion Topic

[jagger916]

If it is what it seems... Jill needs a trip to the free clinic.
http://i42.tinypic.com/opsrqo.jpg
And yes, I am ashamed of posting the picture.

[Darkmoon]

Think of poor Dot. He made it and now knows only shame. Plus it brought a crippling amount of users to THIA...

[valentinesdead?]

Per request of Jill's Boob, I offer some sanitizing captures to wash us clean of the previous couple post centered on Jill's plumbing, whether that be when she takes a magnum to the crotch, or her pixilated upside down genitalia. Please, let us all take a moment and reflect on the woman underneath that mop of blonde hair that has caused so much controsvery. Let us breath and take in the beauty of. . .

. . .Jill Valentine. . .




http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3026&stc=1&d=1252527503





. . .P30'd and mind controlled. . .and still such a babe.:D

[valentinesdead?]

Ah, and the last one I wanted to share. . .




http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3031&stc=1&d=1252528097

[jagger916]

To bad I'm a brunette kinda guy myself... DAMN YOU CAPCOM........:'(

[valentinesdead?]

To bad I'm a brunette kinda guy myself... DAMN YOU CAPCOM........:'(


She'll always be brunette. . .in spirit.


But you know, the woman makes the woman--not the hair color. :)

[jagger916]

I was joking... I still prefer brunettes though, or redheads, or anything besides blondes.

[Jill's Boob]

Technically, since her hair died all the way down to the follicles, her hair was silver or grey and NOT blonde.

[Mr_Zombie]

And you know what's the best thing? With PC version of RE5 it will be pretty easy to change Jill's hair colour to brown again -.-

And valentainesdead?, great screens. Capcom really did a great job with modelling and animating faces in RE5.

[jagger916]

And all I have is a laptop.Shit...

[valentinesdead?]

And you know what's the best thing? With PC version of RE5 it will be pretty easy to change Jill's hair colour to brown again -.-

And valentainesdead?, great screens. Capcom really did a great job with modelling and animating faces in RE5.


Lol. Now that's a great point. It'll be. . .interesting to see what some modders do concerning Jill's hair. And yes, Capcom really doesn't get enough credict with what they did with RE5's cutscenes. While the gameplay may not have been as polished, the cutscenes are the most technically advanced than any other game out there right now. It's just an amazing job just how accuarte the facial range is. You can say the VA's acted, but I think this is the first time a person can say the actual models *acted* too. More and more game companies really need to take inspiration from Capcom's "in-game engine approach." Prerendered cutscenes are really becoming/shoud be a thing of the past in gaming, joining the static camera angles and pre-rendered backgrounds in their grave.

Not to mention western studio's need to learn how to model characters like the japanese(RE5, MGS4). They know how to design character models. The US? We get toy action figure people. 0_0

[jagger916]

I loved the facial animation in RE5. Especially when Chris gets a confused look on his face.:lol:

[Canas Renvall]

What confused look? His muscles don't allow a confused look. XD

[missvalentine]

More and more game companies really need to take inspiration from Capcom's "in-game engine approach." Prerendered cutscenes are really becoming/shoud be a thing of the past in gaming, joining the static camera angles and pre-rendered backgrounds in their grave.


No! :o No way! I really hope RE5 is ignored in that department. I don't get the fascination with in game cutscenes. They never look as good, and they bug the hell out of me.

If I had my way, they would be banned, and everything would be pre rendered, I'm happy DSC is all pre rendered. RE5 would of been a whole lot better with pre rendered cutscenes.

Pre rendered takes all the fun out of a cutscene. I loved when I was a kid, I would play to complete a level, then I would get this awesome, beautifully rendered CGI cutscenes in great detail as a reward. Now, all I get is a crappy in game cutscenes that uses the game engine. Gah, why not just have dialog play during the gameplay of your gonna be lazy like that? :billy:

I hate just about every new style that has come into gaming in the last few years. :( Games are more about money now than fun.

Remember when first person shooter games had health packs? Ah.. those were the good days. :) Now every single fucking game has a regenerating health bar. :'(

You know, why make multiple games? Why not make one huge game that consists of everything, that's the way gaming looks to be heading. :\

When did diversity become unpopular?

[valentinesdead?]

No! :o No way! I really hope RE5 is ignored in that department. I don't get the fascination with in game cutscenes. They never look as good, and they bug the hell out of me.

If I had my way, they would be banned, and everything would be pre rendered, I'm happy DSC is all pre rendered. RE5 would of been a whole lot better with pre rendered cutscenes.

Pre rendered takes all the fun out of a cutscene. I loved when I was a kid, I would play to complete a level, then I would get this awesome, beautifully rendered CGI cutscenes in great detail as a reward. Now, all I get is a crappy in game cutscenes that uses the game engine. Gah, why not just have dialog play during the gameplay of your gonna be lazy like that? :billy:

I hate just about every new style that has come into gaming in the last few years. :( Games are more about money now than fun.

Remember when first person shooter games had health packs? Ah.. those were the good days. :) Now every single fucking game has a regenerating health bar. :'(

You know, why make multiple games? Why not make one huge game that consists of everything, that's the way gaming looks to be heading. :\

When did diversity become unpopular?


You might as well blame Hideo Kojima for that. He proved that video games could use in-game engines to tell stories. Even today, while looking rough in facial and soemtimes off lip synching, MGS2 still is easy on the eyes. True, most games back in the day used pre-rendered cutscenes, but that was because in-game 3D engines just couldn't do the things they can now. Using your logic, I guess MGS4, or ANY MGS game(ignoring the original) is just shit as far as cutsences:rollseyes. And honestly, most those "beautifully" pre-rendered cutscenes haven't aged well, have garbage animations and crap for facial animations. Hell, there are still games today that have stiff pre-rendered cutscenes(Umbrella Chronicles, cough cough), or in-game(a BUNCH of western made games).

MGS4 and RE5 are two great examples of in-game engines done right. Even the upcoming Heavy Rain--pre-rendered cutscenes are more or less outdated at this point. There's little to no need for them. DSC has'em(And they're quiet the looker I must say), but 1)It's a budget title like UC(sure Capcom's putting some money in it, but still), and 2)It's the Wii. If Capcom were actually putting all there weight behind a Wii Resident Evil game, and they can ala RE4, It woudl all be in-engine. Although, i obviously do prefer in-engine, I think one of the nice touches is that it keeps you in the game more. There's not a certain disconnect with how things look when you play versuses the "pre-rendered" stuff which can look rather "odd" at times.

Hell, even REmake used in-engine, with the exception of the intro and endings(a homage to the original RE, like Jill's and Chris's item slots, and just because the game's enviroments were pre-rendered to begin with). And even that game, if I remember correctly, was a "test demo" for RE4 detailed level of character models(which is why they used pre-rendered backdrops for the game, but I am glad they did, cause they're goregous^_^) But RE4 was another benchmark for in-game more or less matching anything "pre-rendered" could throw at us.

And honestly, RE5 has the best facial animations in any game(in cutscene--in game it's the same like every other game, blank looks!) that are truly, for the first time, utterly convincing. There so many subtle touchs of emotion and/or looks from Chris/Jill/Wesker/Excella that really, there's simply no point in pre-renders anymore. Not when your engine can do so much, run and beautiful HD, and handle so many high-rez textures and polygons. Hell, I"ll even say, I prefer the RE5's and MGS4's in games to something like Dengeration's stiff, cartoony computer generated visuals. There's just a life-like fluidity in in-engine that pre-rendereds lack. Unless your Pixar or Dreamworks, I guess(but even then, all the stuff they do is cartoony to begin with. They haven't tried realistic approachs yet). It helps too that some of the technology RE5 borrowed from was from James Cameron's upcoming Avatar. It can only mean good things for games in the end :)


As for the rest of your post. . .I"m just glad Obama hasn't (yet) appointed you as a game industry "Czar". Otherwise, you'd probably roll all systems back to the stone-age days of PS1 games, citing affirmative action since PS1 is BC on the ps2, and is far in the minitority of grapical capablities than any of the other systems out there.

[BadWolfX]

Games are more about money now than fun.

....lulwut. The games industry is a business. A business is out to make a profit. Yes, flash games are an example of something out for fun (and so are things like Dark Biohazard) but if you're releasing a game into a market part of the goal is to make money. The driving force behind it isn't just fun.

In fact, the main driving force behind it is to make money. Always has been. That's why they're sold for a price and aren't handed out free all willy nilly.

[Alexia_Ashford]

I'll paste what I said in the other topic.

Some people forget that game development companies = businesses. All businesses run to make a profit, so they will sell what people want to buy. The more people buy, the more they make of it. They make what customers demand, to make profit for their business. No reason to hate on Capcom to do what every other business doing, especially in these difficult times. Hating a company for running their business to optimize profitability (especially in the middle of a recession) is... odd.

[Bertha]

As for the rest of your post. . .I"m just glad Obama hasn't (yet) appointed you as a game industry "Czar". Otherwise, you'd probably roll all systems back to the stone-age days of PS1 games, citing affirmative action since PS1 is BC on the ps2, and is far in the minitority of grapical capablities than any of the other systems out there.


....lulwut. The games industry is a business. A business is out to make a profit. Yes, flash games are an example of something out for fun (and so are things like Dark Biohazard) but if you're releasing a game into a market part of the goal is to make money. The driving force behind it isn't just fun.

In fact, the main driving force behind it is to make money. Always has been. That's why they're sold for a price and aren't handed out free all willy nilly.



Some people forget that game development companies = businesses. All businesses run to make a profit, so they will sell what people want to buy. The more people buy, the more they make of it. They make what customers demand, to make profit for their business. No reason to hate on Capcom to do what every other business doing, especially in these difficult times. Hating a company for running their business to optimize profitability (especially in the middle of a recession) is... odd.

This, this, and...this. It's not called the Game Industry for nothing. Making video games is all about making money. Yes, they are fun. But then look at sports. Baseball players are getting paid millions...to what? Play a game anyone can do in their own backyard. To those making games, fun just goes along with the total package. (But MissV is probably going to block me and/or ignore my post again, so whatever. XD )

If MissV had his way, everything would be the same. And despite his moans that diversity is dead, there actually is a great deal of it. That's why so many different games are made, and why others are popular and some aren't.

[Stu]

To be fair, i'm bored of people bashing the likes of Capcom for this controversial idea that they might exist to raise money. If people are STILL to pig headed to understand this, i'll just leave them to it.

I just found it hilarious that in-game cutscenes were the greenlight to bring the whole money thing up again.

[Jill's Boob]

If I had my way, they would be banned, and everything would be pre rendered

Okay. You hate cutscenes using the "in-game" engine. Got it.


RE5 would of been a whole lot better with pre rendered cutscenes.

And MOAR Jill and NO Chris, right? Maybe some Jill V shopping scenarios? "Jill looks fabulous in this sun dress! Look out, Kijuju!"


Pre rendered takes all the fun out of a cutscene.

???

So you are for, or against pre-rendered cut-scenes?


Now, all I get is a crappy in game cutscenes that uses the game engine

Weren't you recently praising Uncharted for it's amazing character models, animation, voice acting, story, etc? You do realize that everything in that game is from the "in-game" engine, right?

Not to mention...your choice for "best console game this generation," Dead Space, utilizes the "in-game" engine for the entire game as well.


I hate just about every new style that has come into gaming in the last few years. :( Games are more about money now than fun.

Yet you keep on buying them and playing them.


Remember when first person shooter games had health packs? Ah.. those were the good days. :) Now every single fucking game has a regenerating health bar. :'(

So are you now bitching about game mechanics, as opposed to cutscene renders? You want only health packs, but a new game style diverted from the norm and implemented a regenerating health bar.

Damn the game industry for diversifying game mechanics! The Australian boy is pissed!


You know, why make multiple games?

Multiple = different options = diversity


When did diversity become unpopular?

So, if "multiple" games are being made, and game mechanics are "diverse," apparently diversity would be popular. You even stated it up above, when you said that you hate EVERY new style that has come into gaming the past few years. That statement also indicates diversity. Ding-ding-ding! The bell's ringing, but no one's home!

Your posts are extra funny because you contradict yourself so often.

Get a clue. First look up the word "diversity." Then learn how to support your complaints, especially since you are damaging your own statements with your subsequent statements.

Or, just go to another forum and bitch about the people who disagree with you here. It's your choice, really.

[Mr_Zombie]

If I had my way, they would be banned, and everything would be pre rendered, I'm happy DSC is all pre rendered. RE5 would of been a whole lot better with pre rendered cutscenes.

May I ask, how?
RE5 has really high-quality characters with detailed animation; using prerendered stuff you wouldn't achieve a much better result.

I can understand using prerendered cut-scenes in PSX and, to an extend, PS2 era, when graphics looked (really) bad. Although, as valentinesdead? has already pointed out, there are games that had real time cut-scenes back then that look great even now. MGS3, REmake, RE4, Tomb Raider: Anniversary just to name few.
EDIT: And how could I've forgotten about Silent Hill 3? Even though I love Sato's work in SH1 and SH2, I think that cut-scenes in SH3 surpassed (or at least were really close) to what he did in those two games.

This generation pushed graphics even more. If someone would show you cut-scenes from, let's say, DMC4 or Heavy Rain several years ago you would never say that those are real time because those look a hell a lot better than prerendered cut-scenes that were used in games back then. Things like really detailed models and hi-res textures, lighting & shadows, effects like bloom, HDR, motion blur and post processing really do the magic. Sure, CGI movies like Degeneration or Advent Children still look better (although, as valentinesdead? has said, they also look more stiff and plastic), but the difference is starting to become really small these days. So what's the point of using prerendered cut-scenes?

What I love about real time cut-scenes, and what you can't achieve using prerendered movies, is the consistency. What you see in cut-scenes is what you see in gameplay. Characters look the same (they are higher-poly, but that's because you don't need all those little details in gameplay models), wear the same costumes etc. It's even more important when you're playing on PC and use custom mods. What I hate about Pc version of RE4 is that even though my in-game Leon is modded (has stubble), I always see the default one in cut-scenes.


Pre rendered takes all the fun out of a cutscene.
Huh? I've just played DMC3. The graphics are far from perfect, but cut-scenes are still amazing due to its direction, music and acting. Graphics has nothing to do with "the fun".


Gah, why not just have dialog play during the gameplay of your gonna be lazy like that? :billy:

You mean, like in Half-Life series?

[Vector]

Damn. This place was boring for the last week or so. Now...well, now it just feels like home again. :) It's like...that rash that won't go away. It itches like HELL, but it's been there for so long that you've just gotten way too used to it.


...ugh...where's the ointment?

[Det. Beauregard]

And honestly, RE5 has the best facial animations in any game(in cutscene--in game it's the same like every other game, blank looks!) that are truly, for the first time, utterly convincing. There so many subtle touchs of emotion and/or looks from Chris/Jill/Wesker/Excella that really, there's simply no point in pre-renders anymore. Not when your engine can do so much, run and beautiful HD, and handle so many high-rez textures and polygons.

I agree. If games in the future can capture facial expressions as well as RE5 and can pull off complex character movements, I see no need for pre-rendered scenes. I also tend to think that in previous RE games, while the pre-rendered scenes look very good, they take you out of the gameplay "feel" due to the characters (and occasionally environments/scenery) looking so much different. RE2, RE3, and CVX are great examples of this. Could you imagine the pre-rendered scenes in these games looking as good as RE5's in-game engine?! :o


But then look at sports. Baseball players are getting paid millions...to what? Play a game anyone can do in their own backyard.

:rollseyes

While I definitely don't agree with the salaries of some of the higher-payed players, your statement is still full of so much epic wrongness. But that's off-topic...


And MOAR Jill and NO Chris, right? Maybe some Jill V shopping scenarios? "Jill looks fabulous in this sun dress! Look out, Kijuju!"

:lol:

How about a "Jill Valentine gets some sleep" scenario, in which the screen remains black for approximately 8 hours.

[Agent_Wong]

How about we retire Jill into the sunset and call it a day. She needs her 401k and such because crime fighting has used up her resources and she needs to quit frolicking around the globe. Chris should stop the roids, find his schwanz and they should live happily ever after with their child. *plays sappy exit music*

[Canas Renvall]

*plays Old Snake* They've been through far too much. D:

Hmmm... DLC... Jill gets a manipetti.

OMG WE GET TO SEE HER HANDS AND FEET UP-CLOSE! IT'S THE NEXT BEST THING TO PORN!

[Jill's Boob]

How about we retire Jill into the sunset and call it a day. She needs her 401k and such because crime fighting has used up her resources and she needs to quit frolicking around the globe. Chris should stop the roids, find his schwanz and they should live happily ever after with their child. *plays sappy exit music*

Chris is too busy hooking up with Sheva, and - per the live action commercials - is very much into Asians, so he's probably skullfucking Ada too (since following a lady's lead just isn't Leon's style).

I love all the "roid" comments...especially when ignoring how other RE characters are pulling off Cirque de Soleil acrobatics all the while swinging around like Spider-Man while wearing a skimpy red dress in Spain (where everyone else is wearing jackets and such). If PEDs are the new joke, then I guess the ninja-Matrix folks in RE4 were also on 'roids or P30.

[Agent_Wong]

Hahahaha. You got me rolling. Don't get so miffed about a simple comment. I was simply offering a fitting end to the two heroes crime fighting careers. Although I'm sure Chris' small wanker wouldn't satisfy Jill, since Wesker has been plowing her with a baseball bat ever since Chris got his ass handed to him for like the seven thousandth time at the Spencer Mansion.

[HouseofHerrera]

Jill Valentine, teams up with Guile and Captain America to form; Stars & Strips an team dedicated to protect the remaining mutants hiding out from an ancient evil, who threatens the world and the universe as we know it . In a film by Uwe Boll . MARVER vs. CAPCOM: Recourse.


Poster for the film reads under the MvC title "we're gonna take you for a ride."

[HouseofHerrera]

STRIPES*

[Jill's Boob]

Don't get so miffed about a simple comment.

The subsequent sentences following the one quoted indicate that you should probably follow your own advice.

Try harder next time, okay?

[Vector]

Although I'm sure Chris' small wanker wouldn't satisfy Jill, since Wesker has been plowing her with a baseball bat ever since Chris got his ass handed to him for like the seven thousandth time at the Spencer Mansion.

This is the second post in two days where you've gone out of your way to mention Chris's privates.


Chris should stop the roids, find his schwanz and they should live happily ever after with their child. *plays sappy exit music*
http://www.the-horror.com/forums/showpost.php?p=124901&postcount=1775

What's the deal?

[Agent_Wong]

Try harder next time, okay?

...


What's the deal?

No deal really. I was offering my stance on what chris and jill should do now that Wesker is gone and they are no longer needed. I just added a few colorful words to it that's all. If you can't see the reference to the steroids and things shrinking I'm sorry. But I did basically spell it out.

Too many uptight people here.

[nemesiswontdie]

I dont think there is many uptight people here, we just dont like lame jokes (such as my dentist joke but then again ive never said that here)

[Jill's Boob]

Too many uptight people here.

So everyone else is to blame?

[Agent_Wong]

Fair enough, but it wasn't really a joke. It's true what they say about "juicing". But anyway this is noted for future reference.

Back on topic though, I do think most of the RE cast should probably be retired by now. They really don't have anything to chase anymore. And if I were Jill I would definitely be looking forward to a nice long vacation where no one could bother me. Or find me for that matter.

[Vector]

No deal really. I was offering my stance on what chris and jill should do now that Wesker is gone and they are no longer needed. I just added a few colorful words to it that's all. If you can't see the reference to the steroids and things shrinking I'm sorry.

Steroids don't shrink the 'schwanz', though.

[Agent_Wong]

So everyone else is to blame?

Going to end this now before it goes somewhere that no one likes.


Steroids don't shrink the 'schwanz', though.

I stand corrected.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Steroids don't shrink the 'schwanz', though.

Anabolic steroids supress the natural testosterone production in males, which can lead to infertility and a low sperm count. There's also increased conversion of testosterone to oestrogen by an enzyme called aromatase. This results in a man's testicles becoming a fair bit smaller and in rare cases a male user of anabolic steroids can even develop gynecomastia. If you stop using them though, your balls normally return to their normal size within a few weeks.

[jagger916]

Poor Chris.:nervous:

[Jill's Boob]

So as to shift this thread back on topic and away from *shudder* Chris-penis-fetish talk, I guess we can all safely say that Jill is the unnamed character in the "??? stage" from Umbrella Chronicles. She is shooting zombies that sort of look like the discarded Uroboros test subjects (the "zombies" that can grab you on the conveyor belts), and when you finish the stage, the character returns to a tube like chamber and "sleeps."

Perhaps the level is to display Jill's training/testing via P30? I'd like to think Capcom placed the level there for a reason...

Anyway, here is a vid (not a comprehensive one though) of the level I speak of, for those that do not know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKEFkqTwtmk&feature=related

[REmaster]

Whoa, awesome lol. I have UC but sold my Wii before unlocking the stage...gotta buy another one for DSC. damn.

[valentinesdead?]

So as to shift this thread back on topic and away from *shudder* Chris-penis-fetish talk, I guess we can all safely say that Jill is the unnamed character in the "??? stage" from Umbrella Chronicles. She is shooting zombies that sort of look like the discarded Uroboros test subjects (the "zombies" that can grab you on the conveyor belts), and when you finish the stage, the character returns to a tube like chamber and "sleeps."

Perhaps the level is to display Jill's training/testing via P30? I'd like to think Capcom placed the level there for a reason...

Anyway, here is a vid (not a comprehensive one though) of the level I speak of, for those that do not know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKEFkqTwtmk&feature=related


Holy crap! Awesome find! That's the first I"ve ever heard of that. And yeah, that is definitely RE5 Jill related. The zombies looked pretty much like those on the conveyer belts. Hell, even the lab area is simliar to the Urobours test chamber where the boss battle takes place. Wow. How come I've never heard of this before? Was it some kind of super secrect stage?

Although, what's silly is that how the heck is it testing P30 when Jill is just shooting them? Well, I guess that's what happens when your only gameplay element possible is lightguning. Lol :)

[Bianca]

Holy crap! Awesome find! That's the first I"ve ever heard of that. And yeah, that is definitely RE5 Jill related. The zombies looked pretty much like those on the conveyer belts. Hell, even the lab area is simliar to the Urobours test chamber where the boss battle takes place. Wow. How come I've never heard of this before? Was it some kind of super secrect stage?

Although, what's silly is that how the heck is it testing P30 when Jill is just shooting them? Well, I guess that's what happens when your only gameplay element possible is lightguning. Lol :)

Yeah, you get the Secret Stage in Umbrella Chronicles after you beat all the scenarios and sub-scenarios in the game. I completely agree with Jill's Boob about its connection to RE5. A lot of people speculated it had something to do with Sherry beforehand because, as you can see from the video, the perspective looks "low" like a child, and when you die, all you hear is a female scream (which, admittedly, is just a reused sample of Rebecca's death scream in the game, but that's obviously just Capcom being lazy).

I think it's safe to say the scenario has something to do with Jill, though, which really adds something increasingly creepy about the stage... That stage always gave me the chills. It's so strange, and the fact you never had a clear answer who you are playing adds a really unsettling mystery, especially at the end, when you manage to beat the stage, and the person walks away, going back into some kind of chamber thing, as Jill's Boob described. I only ever beat that stage twice, though. It's so fucking hard with the one-hit-you're-dead. Especially with the very last enemy, who is vicious!

Here's another video of someone actually beating the stage. It's low-quality, so it's sort of hard to see, but you can make out enough to see the ending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4qrdsD_NVY

And, Jill's Boob, thank you for bringing this up again. I wanted to mention it for a really long time, but I kept forgetting.

I'm in the mood to play this stage again. Always freaks me out. The only stage in all of UC that actually scared me.

[Agent_Wong]

If you listen to the scream when the person dies it's clearly Rebecca's voice. That was just a bonus stage they threw in to leak a teaser trailer for re5. At the end all you see is the "tube girl" that we know to be Jill, unconscious in the tank. Maybe they modeled it to look similar but that is Rebecca's voice character.


Wow. How come I've never heard of this before? Was it some kind of super secrect stage?

It wasn't that super secret hehe. You had to finish all stages to unlock it.

[nemesiswontdie]

fuck that stage I hate it. Its so damn hard.

[Yzak]

^ even though fast zombies do have their own charm. Like many a memory about the discovery of Crimson Heads. 8D

But man, I had totally forgot about that stage.

[Stars1356]

That stage is one of the stranger things in RE besides Tofu and thought that is was just for fun and didn't mean anything. A lot of people thought it was Sherry but after RE 5 it is possible that it is Jill like Jill's Boob said.

[Jill Lover]

OMG GREAT FINDING! That's definitely a link to RE5.

Thank you so much for bringing this up Jill's Boob.

[Bianca]

Shivers each time I play that stage or watch someone else play it. God, it's so unsettling. That music. So very creepy.

[Canas Renvall]

I could never get past the third level of that. I'm so bad at it. XD

But yeah, now that people are mentioning it, it would definitely make sense if it was Jill. However, if it's really meant to be, why use Rebecca's death scream and not Jill's?

My thoughts: They wanted to keep the identity of the person secret. Granted, later on they did a pretty shitty job of this by basically telling you it's Jill, but at first they wanted to throw people off. I mean, it's only now that we're connecting the dots, so we wouldn't have known then that it was Jill. I think Capcom wanted it to be that way.

Or Capcom was just being retarded as usual. :P

[Bianca]

The choice of scream is certainly strange but... yeah, it was most likely to throw us off-guard. Perhaps they were aware of the heavy speculation of Sherry in RE5 and thus chose to use the most child-like scream they had available to keep us guessing... instead of, you know, recording an entirely different one, which obviously would have been too much work for them. :p

Speaking of which, does anyone know for certain if Patricia Ja Lee voiced Jill in Umbrella Chronicles, too? To me, the voices sound identical, but I can't seem to find a reliable source to confirm it. I think the way she voices Jill in RE5 is quite excellent. I enjoy how, after all these years, Capcom still gives Jill a deeper, slightly masculine voice compared to most of the females.

[Canas Renvall]

I believe Tara Platt voiced her in UC.

[Jill Lover]

Yes it was actually Tara Plant.. I really liked her voice in UC... but I do still prefer the one from Remake.

Patricia Ja Lee did a really good job on RE5... It is curious how they manage to get the voices to sound like the previous ones... I never thought Patricia was her new voice because she sounded like the Remake one.
When she says like breathless "Chris... I'm so sorry" it gives the character a lot of emotion. Due to the lack of emotion in that scene, because of brainless Capcom producers, she really did it well.

[Mr. Rod]

Patricia Ja Lee is actually who did Jill's voice in UC too, Tara did Jill's voice for the Paschilot (sp?) game.

[Mr_Zombie]

And you know what's the best thing? With PC version of RE5 it will be pretty easy to change Jill's hair colour to brown again -.-


http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3087&stc=1&d=1253639141 http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3091&stc=1&d=1253639303 http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3090&stc=1&d=1253639303
http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3089&stc=1&d=1253639141

:P

Fun Fact: Capcom reused Brainwashed Jill's face for BSAA Jill, only colourized her hair (there are still parts on the texture, where hair colour is blonde).

[Mr. Rod]

By the way, un-wired TV will upload soon an interview with Patricia Ja Lee about her role as Jill. I contacted them about it yesterday and got a reply a few minutes ago.

[BadWolfX]

She looks wrong with brown hair in 5. It just doesn't look right.

[Dark_Chris]

She looks wrong with brown hair in 5. It just doesn't look right.

this

[Jill Lover]

Yes but it's just how she would look like with her original colour. But I agree, something seems not to be right?

Yay for the interview!

[Mr. Rod]

Mr_Zombie: Maybe try replacing her blonde hair with the BSAA brown hair? You coloured the blonde Jill hair texture, right?

[Jill Lover]

http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3090&stc=1&d=1253639303

Here she looks fine ^^

As Rod said, did you just coloured her hair?

[valentinesdead?]

I don't think it's so much the hair color being off, but the original RE5 greenish filter being on. That one photo you posted above Jill Lover looks like it has that color mod turned on, hence why it looks much more natural.

Though really, she has no business having brown hair, seeing as how dealthy pale she still is. :) (Still such a hottie)



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[Jill's Boob]

Patricia Ja Lee is actually who did Jill's voice in UC too, Tara did Jill's voice for the Paschilot (sp?) game.

Patricia did do the voicework for Jill in REUC. Tara Platt did the voicework for the Red Queen computer in REUC.

As for the patchislot...I have no idea.

[Bianca]

When she says like breathless "Chris... I'm so sorry" it gives the character a lot of emotion. Due to the lack of emotion in that scene, because of brainless Capcom producers, she really did it well.

I agree. She delivers that line very beautifully. I occasionally choke up watching that scene, because Jill just sounds so horrified with her actions, and it really moves me.

I still like Jill's RE3 voice the best, but that could just be because, compared to all the other games she's been in, she has the most dialogue in RE3. I do like Patricia Ja Lee's Jill, though. I think it's great, especially when you hear her say more enthusiastic lines in Mercenaries. For example, when you chain a melee combo with another partner, and Jill gleefully shouts, "Yes!"

I think that's really cute and quite fitting for her character. Also, the wail she gives when being knocked over makes me laugh every time. I don't know why.

[Mr_Zombie]

Mr_Zombie: Maybe try replacing her blonde hair with the BSAA brown hair? You coloured the blonde Jill hair texture, right?

No, I just replaced her Brainwashed face and hair textures with BSAA ones. As I've said, they are the same, only with different hair colour, and already look colourized when you look at them outside the game:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/994/pl020001facebm.th.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/pl020001facebm.jpg/) http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4540/7810b609.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/7810b609.jpg/)


EDIT:

Though really, she has no business having brown hair, seeing as how dealthy pale she still is. :) (Still such a hottie)

The truth is, despite what that file about Jill had said, blonde Jill has exactly the same skin tone and eyes colour as she had before Wesker captured her ;).

And yes, that one screen that Jill Lover posted was taken with the natural lighting mod on.

[Jill Lover]

Now i wonder.. if they used Julia's same model face.. why Jill's nose seems... bigger?

I'm glad there's a buch of mods and outfits coming soon!


I agree. She delivers that line very beautifully. I occasionally choke up watching that scene, because Jill just sounds so horrified with her actions, and it really moves me.

I still like Jill's RE3 voice the best, but that could just be because, compared to all the other games she's been in, she has the most dialogue in RE3. I do like Patricia Ja Lee's Jill, though. I think it's great, especially when you hear her say more enthusiastic lines in Mercenaries. For example, when you chain a melee combo with another partner, and Jill gleefully shouts, "Yes!"

I think that's really cute and quite fitting for her character. Also, the wail she gives when being knocked over makes me laugh every time. I don't know why.

Yes she's so good in that part. I have only watched videos. I couldn't play the game by myself yet. I'm planning to do it pretty son when i get a better PC so i can't say much of the lines she says in the mercenaries mode right now.

I also agree about Jill's RE3 voice being the best of all, i find it very enthusiastic and with a great sense of justice, just like her character is. You know, the big deal of having to espape from the zombified city made her brave and very smart in some critical situations. I love that game, and if there would've been another character instead of her, i would've loved it anyway. It's just perfect. Great replay value.

Well... where was I?... Yes... Jill in RE3, she's so physical prepared, knowing where to go and what to do. That's the Jill all the people loved.
In RE5 she's ok, not how i would have expected/hoped her to be.. but oh well.. something told me that she was going to be there... and i'm glad for that. It's quite a shame though, that they didn't take much advantage of it... doing all that thing of her "mysteriously death"...and all. But now she's back.. and i hope they make something good for her once for all.

[Dracarys]

Now i wonder.. if they used Julia's same model face.. why Jill's nose seems... bigger?


I have no idea why people always say that, she has always had a large nose.

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/8305/34543433.png

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7992/005zitidz.jpg

[Det. Beauregard]

Oh come on it's not THAT big...

[Jill Lover]

I know.... it was just a thought. Because RE5'S ending.. there's a first angle of Jill's face and her nose looks ridiculous.

EDIT:

http://img.zoome.jp/mov44/circle/6dd4/1667_714_i1_1.jpg

[Jill's Boob]

Seriously...? Discussing the size of her nose? This thread has hit an all-time low. :nervous:


http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/994/pl020001facebm.th.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/pl020001facebm.jpg/)

This is frightening. Haha.

[Swagger]

I know.... it was just a thought. Because RE5'S ending.. there's a first angle of Jill's face and her nose looks ridiculous.

EDIT:

http://img.zoome.jp/mov44/circle/6dd4/1667_714_i1_1.jpg

LOL Nice noticing it!:D

[News Bot]

I know.... it was just a thought. Because RE5'S ending.. there's a first angle of Jill's face and her nose looks ridiculous.

EDIT:

http://img.zoome.jp/mov44/circle/6dd4/1667_714_i1_1.jpg

It looks ridiculous there because the aspect ratio on that screenshot is horrribly squished from the sides, as well as top and bottom.

[valentinesdead?]

It looks ridiculous there because the aspect ratio on that screenshot is horrribly squished from the sides, as well as top and bottom.


Damn, I was about to say that. You beat me.:lol:

[valentinesdead?]

Bringing back a classic thread--with a BANG(of sorts). . .

For those who might have wondered who exactly is the cosplayer in my avatar and signature, I'd thought I'd share a few things with everyone just out of the kindness of my heart(haha). Needless to say, I am a pretty big fan of the P30 costume. I've always really liked its aesthetic, sleek appeal. It looked really great in-game in RE5, along with Jill's paled complexion and near silverly blonde hair. But I've always wondered how cool it would be, or if it was possible, to actually translate the awesomeness into the real world in a feasibly cool fashion.

One might think RE Afterlife might have been a prime candidates in doing so, given the multi-million dollar of its budget and resources, but, one can NEVER discount the utter incompetence of Paul WS Anderson. In Sienna Guillory's cameo at the end of Afterlife, the audience is treated. . .this. . .


http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3965&stc=1&d=1301974977

http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3966&stc=1&d=1301974977

http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3967&stc=1&d=1301974977

I mean, wow, talk about a complete and utter lack of effort. Yes, it's just meant as a quick teaser, but WOW, that looks like something they bought from Wal-Mart. Let's ignore the fact of Sienna's hammy strutting and acting, and the fact the P30 device in the movie is not actually surgically connected to the chest of the individual(it looks she's wearing an friggin' amulet of all things). Not that anyone I guess was surprised by how lazy the design was, but seriously, that costume is just so laughably bad(along with quite a few other things in the movie), I just shake my head and wonder why the hell Anderson even bothered with it. It's like literally impossible to take her seriously in the scene, fan or non gaming fan. But I digress.

I never really gave it much thought that anyone would actually be able to make a convincing P30 Jill costume. The design of it would make it seem quite difficult endeavor to undertake. Nevertheless, all it took was one anonymous N4G.com link to a blog highlighting a "Cosplay of the Week", and this is when I came across the cosplayer named Spif Zaya.

http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3968&stc=1&d=1301978866

http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3969&stc=1&d=1301978866

Can anyone say nerdgasm?:D:)^_^ So completely and utterly epic. Spif Zaya is made of nothing but pure, gushing WIN. So, here are the links to the gallery's I've managed to track down.

Where I found her--

http://www.thekartel.com/news/the-kartel/17662512-hot-cosplay-of-the-week-resident-evils-jill-valentine.html

A Different Gallery of Photos--
http://www.cosplay.com/gallery/196224/

The Who, What, and Why she created the costume, plus different sized pics--
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/08/31/cosblog-33-battle-suit-jill-by-spif-zaya.aspx

The Biggest Gallery that contains pretty much all her work(at least I think atm)--
http://www.cosplay.com/costume/313788/

And, one final little bit--a Youtube interview about cosplaying in general(pre RE5 Jill I'm afraid)--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPXiHorJ89w


Is there really anything more to say? Spif Zaya is officially, totally awesome in my book. I don't really care much about cosplaying or anything, but when someone puts in some effort, and makes something pretty damn impressive as that, you really can't help but appreciate it, both as a RE fan and just the fact she did such an awesome job on it. And yeah, she's pretty hot in it too(and pretty hot period). So, in the end, I just have to thank her for tickling my little inner fanboy fancy, and say "Well Done!"

I mean, hell--she accomplished as a hobby what a full movie production could not--a very convincingly replication of the P30 costume.

Brave, Ms Zaya, bravo.

So, any thoughts?

http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3970&stc=1&d=1301980247

[Shadow Stalker]

She's so adorable. :D Interesting piece of cosplay there. ^_^

[Mr. Spencer]

Hahahahaha, it's back!

[nemesiswontdie]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCC CCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[valentinesdead?]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCC CCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never forgive. Never forget--this thread shall not die!

Hahahaha. I'm so evil.-.-

[Shadow Stalker]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCC CCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I somehow picture you as something like this whilst you were typing out that post... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufsf_-a_H9Q

[nemesiswontdie]

Never forgive. Never forget--this thread shall not die!

Hahahaha. I'm so evil.-.-

You're a dick is what you are :P


I somehow picture you as something like this whilst you were typing out that post... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufsf_-a_H9Q

Yeah that pretty much was how it was. This thread is a failed abortion. It brings back so many memories of MissV and his retarded antics.

[valentinesdead?]

She's so adorable. :D Interesting piece of cosplay there. ^_^

Very much, haha!


Hahahahaha, it's back!

Of course it's back. Dontcha know, Jill is the only character worthy enough because of all her "fans" to have her very own dedicated thread. Take that, Albert Wesker and Christoper Redfield. Cockblocked, bitches.:lol:


This thread is a failed abortion. It brings back so many memories of MissV and his retarded antics.

That's why I love it, man. That's why I love it. The good ole times. . .

[Stu]

Somewhere, God just killed a puppy.

[Canas Renvall]

...Dear God...

*sits in a dark corner with "MissV" scratched and scribbled all over the walls*

FEAR YOU CAN'T FORGET.

[Mr. Spencer]

If I still had my mod powers I would have locked this topic.

[aris13]

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr68/josefrigginreyes/MichaelScottNOOOO.gif

[Zombie Fred]

http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/oo138/Spriterfans/This-Thread-is-bad-and-you-should-FEEL-bad.jpg

[nemesiswontdie]

Its good to see I'm not the only one who thinks this thread is fail.

[Humor Tumor]

I never knew this thread existed....but then again I am a semi-lurker. Although I've been much more active recently.

[nemesiswontdie]

I never knew this thread existed.

You were better off.

[Darkmoon]

...fuck.

On a more moderator like note, let's please stay on the topic. Which is, sadly, not how awful this thread is nor the terrible circumstances surrounding it's creation. It's about the one time someone send me a bunch of pictures of a stripper in a Jill costume, and how you lot need to go find them.

Off you go.

[Trent]

All the thread bumping comments put to side, that woman has some nice cleavage.

[jagger916]

http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3968&d=1301978864
http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3969&d=1301978864
http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3970&d=1301980246
http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3971&stc=1&d=1302009918

[Dracarys]

Mines better.

[Trent]

http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3971&stc=1&d=1302009918
Obvious statement, is it not?

[Darkmoon]

I wouldn't. Then again, I'm married. And utterly whipped and abused into obidience. Just ask Emma and Gareth. They see the abuse I suffer.

[Zombie Fred]

I wouldn't say abuse myself. More on the term affection .

[Humor Tumor]

Does it involve cattle prods

those are sexy :D

[Darkmoon]

Kinky electrochock therpy.

[valentinesdead?]

Hmm. I didn't really think bumping this thread back up was that big of a deal, but apparently a stirred a hornets nest. Yikes. Sorry. But really, isn't it better to limit all Jill and Jill related talk to one thread? Here I am, trying to do the forum a service. . .:lol:




It's about the one time someone send me a bunch of pictures of a stripper in a Jill costume, and how you lot need to go find them.

Off you go.

I've never really considered a cosplayer a stripper, skimpy outfit or no. I mean, it's not like she's dancing next to a pole, or giving any guys any lapdances in it . . .not that I wouldn't mind-.-


All the thread bumping comments put to side, that woman has some nice cleavage.

Yes. . .Yes she does. . .


http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3971&stc=1&d=1302009918

That too.


Mines better.

You mean, Tomb Raider Jill Croft? Bleh--almost as bad a design to me as RE3 Promotion Jill 3D model--with the creepy alien eyes and face. I don't really like them screwing with an established character design like Jill's just for the sake of sexing her up a bit more for the masses. Rather bland looking really. But I guess it can't be helped. Different art director. Different regime in charge. Oh well. There's far more pressing problems with Revelations as it stands, but that's just a small nitpick of mine.

[Darkmoon]

I mean there was literally a porn site with a page of a lady in a Jill Valentine costume stripping down to nude. My wife thought it was hilarious.

[jagger916]

I mean there was literally a porn site with a page of a lady in a Jill Valentine costume stripping down to nude. My wife thought it was hilarious.

I don't have a Jill stripper, but I can give you a really cheap looking Lara Croft one.

[Dracarys]

You mean, Tomb Raider Jill Croft? Bleh--almost as bad a design to me as RE3 Promotion Jill 3D model--with the creepy alien eyes and face. I don't really like them screwing with an established character design like Jill's just for the sake of sexing her up a bit more for the masses. Rather bland looking really. But I guess it can't be helped. Different art director. Different regime in charge. Oh well. There's far more pressing problems with Revelations as it stands, but that's just a small nitpick of mine.

I meant my Battlesuit.:P

[Trent]

I wouldn't. Then again, I'm married.
That's why I'm not planning to get married any time soon, haha. Life is short, much to explore, my girlfriend will have to wait....

See, if I was married to my girlfriend, it would be wrong to say such things. If not, however....

[Mr. Spencer]

I like how Jill's battlesuit incites feelings of infidelity among our members!

[Alexia_Ashford]

About Darkmoon's abuse.. yes, cattleprods are common. Also, nipple clamps and chastity belts.

http://images.dr3vil.com/files2/default/best_thread_ever.jpg

[Darkmoon]

I like the cat'o nine tails best.

[jagger916]

Props get in the way. Your wife should try a more hands-on approach to asserting her dominance upon you.

[Trent]

I like how Jill's battlesuit incites feelings of infidelity among our members!
Indeed, indeed.

Your wife should try a more hands-on approach to asserting her dominance upon you.
Nothing beats the dominance of a woman over a man sexually, that indeed, is the holy thing of all.

By the way, remind me not to show this site/thread to my girlfriend o.O

[Humor Tumor]

I've always been a fan of the car battery with nipple clamps.

[valentinesdead?]

I mean there was literally a porn site with a page of a lady in a Jill Valentine costume stripping down to nude. My wife thought it was hilarious.

I'm not really surprised. People do have the strangest kinks.


I meant my Battlesuit.:P

I seem to have the great gift for misunderstanding post in this thread, haha. I suppose though, it's only a matter of time after Revealations release that we'll be seeing Jill wetsuit cosplays. *Thinks about it* Mmm. Yummy.


See, if I was married to my girlfriend, it would be wrong to say such things. If not, however....

A man does what a man does. Especially when something rather scrumptious catches his eye. . .


I like how Jill's battlesuit incites feelings of infidelity among our members!

A rather strange effect I didn't expect or intend--but I guess there's just something strangely. . .erotic about that battlesuit. To share a story, I remember when I was 13 and REmake just hit. I use to try to find the best camera points in the game so I could ogle at Jill. Like this, for example.

http://the-horror.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4003&stc=1&d=1302105477

I use to just back her against a wall and walk her in place, just watching her chest bounce and bounce and bounce. . .and bounce:lol:. It wasn't so much crushing on a fictional character(which I certainly was at the time), or nonreal vs real. Its more like damn, those are some mighty fine proportions.

But, that was one of the drawbacks of the original games camera system. There were only a few places you could do that. So that's what I love about the RE4/RE5 camera, cause when you play as Jill--you get as much ass out of her nice tushy as your desire. That's why I have to question the sexuality of those they play as Chris or Wesker--cause they must like man-butt all up in there face or something.

The main point being, yes--there is something about the battlesuit that brings out a strange, dark deviancy in people. Just look where this thread has gone for proof!

(Oh God, what have I done?)

[Mr. Spencer]

(Oh God, what have I done?)

Instead ask yourself, "What have I become?" : P

[Dracarys]

Resident Evil on DS must have been a dream (with the touchpad etc).

[Humor Tumor]

Resident Evil on DS must have been a dream (with the touchpad etc).

It did entertain some notions I had when I was 12 yes...

[REmaster]

http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr68/josefrigginreyes/MichaelScottNOOOO.gif

:lol::lol::lol: Great/Horrible memories

[Grenadeh]

I can't comprehend how you could possibly say CV has more substance than RE2. Code Veronica was garbage. It was fun to play and it was much darker than the first two games (I'm going to count RE3 and RE2 as one game because 3 was pure retcon and the beginning of the end of legitimacy for Resident Evil and Capcom altogether. If they had the foresight to make RE3 a third "scenario" (though a whole different game) to Resident Evil 2 instead of saying "Derp hey look, people loved the shit out of RE2 more than they did RE1. We've got something here with this whole "city" theme, let's capitalize on it by retconning everyones favorite character into the situation", it would have been a brilliant game and still the best game in the RE series. Not that they weren't both awesome, because they were), but it was pretty much just lame. They recycled the tyrant, again, and not even in an interesting way, and just threw in Wesker, to piss you off that he was still alive and superhuman, and only a few unique bosses - the graveworm, which wasn't even a boss in RECV, was in RE3, where you did have to kill it, and was an actual threat. The only good parts about CV were the Chris/Wesker fight, KILLING steve finally, and the CG intro. Oh and the rapid prototyper that you used to make an item that one time, that was cool, that made me fantasize about a future where you could torrent physical objects. RE2 on the other hand was overstuffed with story and memorable moments - the tyrant dropping in on you and scaring the bejesus out of you, the way nemesis improved upon even more, the giant alligator, ada wong, birkin, LICKERS, puzzles - which CV was quite devoid of, extra costumes, come on. Of course, in DSC code veronica is much better than the actual game, but that doesn't make CV better.

[Grenadeh]

You want bad controls? Try playing RE4 or 5 on PC without a gamepad. You may have been king shit at xbox/ps2/gc/wii/ps3 but it's immensely difficult to even survive a round of mercenaries with the horrid computer controls.

[Canas Renvall]

You have some pretty good points there. The one thing I will say though is it's not just bad controls that RE4 PC has. XD As for 5, I have to ask if you're a PC gamer. It took me about a week to get used to keyboard controls when I got a gaming lappy so I saw no issues with RE5 PC.

[News Bot]

I can't comprehend how you could possibly say CV has more substance than RE2. Code Veronica was garbage. It was fun to play and it was much darker than the first two games (I'm going to count RE3 and RE2 as one game because 3 was pure retcon and the beginning of the end of legitimacy for Resident Evil and Capcom altogether. If they had the foresight to make RE3 a third "scenario" (though a whole different game) to Resident Evil 2 instead of saying "Derp hey look, people loved the shit out of RE2 more than they did RE1. We've got something here with this whole "city" theme, let's capitalize on it by retconning everyones favorite character into the situation", it would have been a brilliant game and still the best game in the RE series. Not that they weren't both awesome, because they were), but it was pretty much just lame. They recycled the tyrant, again, and not even in an interesting way, and just threw in Wesker, to piss you off that he was still alive and superhuman, and only a few unique bosses - the graveworm, which wasn't even a boss in RECV, was in RE3, where you did have to kill it, and was an actual threat. The only good parts about CV were the Chris/Wesker fight, KILLING steve finally, and the CG intro. Oh and the rapid prototyper that you used to make an item that one time, that was cool, that made me fantasize about a future where you could torrent physical objects. RE2 on the other hand was overstuffed with story and memorable moments - the tyrant dropping in on you and scaring the bejesus out of you, the way nemesis improved upon even more, the giant alligator, ada wong, birkin, LICKERS, puzzles - which CV was quite devoid of, extra costumes, come on. Of course, in DSC code veronica is much better than the actual game, but that doesn't make CV better.

There isn't one single retcon in BH3. And the game was set in Raccoon City so that they could give closure to the city's fate and also allow you to explore more of the city itself, which was one of the biggest sentiments behind BH2 as very little of Raccoon City is explored in that game. You know, that little thing called listening to fan feedback a lot of people seem to ignore because they like the idea that the developers are some sort of rogues? Remember, at the end of BH2 the city is still standing and still just as full of monsters as ever. BHCV was written shortly before BH2 was released so they were already moving forward with the storyline out of Raccoon City, so Kawamura was tasked to write BH3 as closure. Also, it was originally known as BIOHAZARD 1.9. It was named BIOHAZARD 3 because naming something "1.9" is disastrous for sales. So no, it wasn't made to capitalize on the success of BH2. Sure, if BH2 tanked, we wouldn't have gotten BH3. We wouldn't have gotten any future BH games. People like you are a little irritating when you bring up all this CORPORATE GREEEEEED bullshit while ironically explicitly showing that you know jack about the development of the game. You should give the developers a little more credit, since BIOHAZARD is one of the most tight-knit series' in gaming with a well-written mythos, which is quite a task for one so huge. The Metal Gear series has a smaller mythos and still manages to shit and vomit all over the tiles.

[CrimsonElder]

You guys do realise this is the Jill Valentine thread?

[Mr. Spencer]

Yep but this is one topic derailment that I APPROVE of!

[valentinesdead?]

Just popping in to share a really weird pic I found.

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1960/jill4.png

Jill Valentine vs Vigo, the Invincible!

[Mr_Zombie]

You want bad controls? Try playing RE4 or 5 on PC without a gamepad. You may have been king shit at xbox/ps2/gc/wii/ps3 but it's immensely difficult to even survive a round of mercenaries with the horrid computer controls.

I can give you RE4, because keyboard only aiming was slow as hell and the default control scheme wasn't good; but it was something one could learn to live with. I played through RE4 on PC several times, Mercenaries included, and after a chapter or two I didn't have any problems with controls.

But RE5? You must've kidding me. WSAD + mouse aiming + numbered shortcuts for all your items = pure win. It controls like your ordinary third person shooter, only with tank controls ;)

[Vito]

There isn't one single retcon in BH3. And the game was set in Raccoon City so that they could give closure to the city's fate and also allow you to explore more of the city itself, which was one of the biggest sentiments behind BH2 as very little of Raccoon City is explored in that game. You know, that little thing called listening to fan feedback a lot of people seem to ignore because they like the idea that the developers are some sort of rogues? Remember, at the end of BH2 the city is still standing and still just as full of monsters as ever. BHCV was written shortly before BH2 was released so they were already moving forward with the storyline out of Raccoon City, so Kawamura was tasked to write BH3 as closure. Also, it was originally known as BIOHAZARD 1.9. It was named BIOHAZARD 3 because naming something "1.9" is disastrous for sales. So no, it wasn't made to capitalize on the success of BH2. Sure, if BH2 tanked, we wouldn't have gotten BH3. We wouldn't have gotten any future BH games. People like you are a little irritating when you bring up all this CORPORATE GREEEEEED bullshit while ironically explicitly showing that you know jack about the development of the game. You should give the developers a little more credit, since BIOHAZARD is one of the most tight-knit series' in gaming with a well-written mythos, which is quite a task for one so huge. The Metal Gear series has a smaller mythos and still manages to shit and vomit all over the tiles.

Over 50 years of Metal Gear mythos is small now? damn i didnt knew that o_o

[Mr_Zombie]

I think what News Bot meant is that there's only 8 canon games in the series and no (or almost no) supplemental materials. And Kojima mainly managed to screw things up in post-MGS3 games (although IIRC there were also few retcons regarding timeline in MGS3).

[oskar-det]

I really liked Jill in REmake. But then Capcom turned her into a fat assed blonde in RE5, and also made some extremely lame excuse for making her hair blonde. Of course, everyone knows it was to make her more attractive to western audiences.

[nemesiswontdie]

I really liked Jill in REmake. But then Capcom turned her into a fat assed blonde in RE5, and also made some extremely lame excuse for making her hair blonde. Of course, everyone knows it was to make her more attractive to western audiences.

Ahhh, this brings back some memories. I think everyone who was here when RE5 was released remember the whole blonde Jill thing.

[Dracarys]

I like the people who call Battlesuit Jill pale and ugly and praise BSAA Jills looks, when the only thing about her being pale is from a file and both in-game use the same skin tone.

One of the shots of her in the helo at the end is godawful though.

[Mr_Zombie]

Of course, everyone knows it was to make her more attractive to western audiences.

Huh? I prefer red-heads and brunettes myself. :\

And they didn't turn her into a blonde in order to make her more attractive, they did it to make her look more akin to Wesker.

[oskar-det]

Huh? I prefer red-heads and brunettes myself. :\

And they didn't turn her into a blonde in order to make her more attractive, they did it to make her look more akin to Wesker.

Yeah right.

[Dracarys]

Yeah right.


Is true, in japan being blonde = bad guy, rule of fiction. Is why in animes you get characters with black, brown, red hair...then instead of blonde the next colours in line are blue, purple, green, pink and such.

[Vogue_Dirge]

I find blonde Jill to be way more attractive. But I do like classic Jill. Jill is just sexy and kickass no matter what her hair color is.

[valentinesdead?]

Ahhh, this brings back some memories. I think everyone who was here when RE5 was released remember the whole blonde Jill thing.

ZOMG HER HAIR COLOR CHANGED!!!! WHAT A UGLY, SLUTTY BITCH!!! HOW DARE SHE!?!?! HOW DARE CAPCOM!?!?!?? THIS IS THE END OF RESIDENT EVIL!!!

Kidding aside. . .I think we have a new missvalentine on our hands, unfortunately.


I find blonde Jill to be way more attractive. But I do like classic Jill. Jill is just sexy and kickass no matter what her hair color is.

This

[rehunk88]

i think the best jill we ever had was jill from resident evil 3 i liked how they made her back then.

now look how she turned out .... revalations ... do i need to say anything els.....

[Mr. Spencer]

I find blonde Jill to be way more attractive. But I do like classic Jill. Jill is just sexy and kickass no matter what her hair color is.

See it's more acceptable for you to make comments like this, you're gay and therefore you're not going to go off and fap to images of Jill Valentine.

[BeefWellington]

What Resident Evil fan doesnt love JIll? :)

[Mr. Spencer]

Quite a good number of us actually.

[nemesiswontdie]

See it's more acceptable for you to make comments like this, you're gay and therefore you're not going to go off and fap to images of Jill Valentine.

Me. I don't like her or Leon.

[alexdz]

What Resident Evil fan doesnt love JIll? :)

Me.

I don't hate her either, I just don't care about her in any way, shape or form. Her crazy fans though, oh boy, those are something else.

[Mr. Spencer]

Me. I don't like her or Leon.

I think you quoted the wrong person, hahaha.

[CrimsonElder]

Me.

I don't hate her either, I just don't care about her in any way, shape or form. Her crazy fans though, oh boy, those are something else.

I get that she has a crazy fanbase but that doesnt mean you cant enjoy the character. Its abit silly to dislike a character because she has a large somewhat weird fanbase. It gets on my nerves sometimes but I still like Jill. Same could be said for Wesker and Leon.

As far as the best Jill goes I think like her most in Remake closely followed by RE3. I find her to be abit of an enigma, she has this unkown background which really keeps me interested. I was hoping to find out more about her as a person but unless they do that in Revelations which I doubt then I think that ship has sailed. The only info we ever really got was from S.D. Perry and thats hardly cannon. Same could be said for alot of the RE characters and strangley enough its the main characters. We know alot about Wesker, Spencer, Birkin, Ashfords but when it comes to the character we play as we get next to nothing.

[nemesiswontdie]

I think you quoted the wrong person, hahaha.

God dammit you're right. I'm not editing it though.

[Mr. Spencer]

God dammit you're right. I'm not editing it though.

But then it implies that you're gay!

[nemesiswontdie]

But then it implies that you're gay!

How so?

[Wrathborne]

Just ignore Spencer, he's still trying to create the perfect gay robocop fan base :P

[Vogue_Dirge]

I like Jill. But that's as far as that goes.

Ada Wong is by far the best female character of the entire franchise.

[Mr. Spencer]

Just ignore Spencer, he's still trying to create the perfect gay robocop fan base :P

Of which you would be one of the founding members...Bob.

[alexdz]

I get that she has a crazy fanbase but that doesnt mean you cant enjoy the character. Its abit silly to dislike a character because she has a large somewhat weird fanbase. It gets on my nerves sometimes but I still like Jill. Same could be said for Wesker and Leon.

I'm not saying I don't like the character because of her fans, I don't care about her and don't like the crazy fans, one has no relation with the other.

[Grem]

I like Jill, too. But she's certainly not my favourite character. I've never understood her popularity. Yeah she's very pretty, but that alone doesn't make her a good character. Ada is very beautiful aswell and, yet, she's certainly not as popular as Jill.

If anything, Jill is just a female version of Chris with less personnality lol

[Grenadeh]

Not to necro too much (only 3 years) but "Always had a big nose."

Last time I checked 1 game in which she had a big nose doesn't qualify as "always" out of 2 previous games before RE5, which happened to be a remake. In RE3 her nose is somewhat big but not really.

[Smiley]

Jill has become a gift and a curse for this series. A lot of fans want to see more games with her, and Capcom found a way to make this work to their advantage as DLC. RE5 gave us two DLC scenarios starring her. Then she is a DLC addition to Marvel vs. Capcom 3. At least the Jill related DLC in Operation: Raccoon City will be free. If they found a way to make this work for Revelations I'm almost certain we'd have more DLC chapters with Jill be it Raid Mode or main campaign.

Expect it in RE6.

[Dracarys]

Still waiting for another game with Jill as starring role, and no Revelations does not count, while she is the main focus there are still significant amounts of game starring others. I'm waiting for a RE3/4/5 style leading role. Start to finish with maybe a tiny section only to play as a side character. Sod RE5 style handouts.

[News Bot]

Still waiting for another game with Jill as starring role, and no Revelations does not count, while she is the main focus there are still significant amounts of game starring others. I'm waiting for a RE3/4/5 style leading role. Start to finish with maybe a tiny section only to play as a side character. Sod RE5 style handouts.

I'd rather we never play as her again and get someone less experienced. Jill is turning into a Mary Sue.

[Dracarys]

Hardly, she didn't even kill Wesker.

[News Bot]

Hardly, she didn't even kill Wesker.

WHAT A TRAVESTY.

[Smiley]

Doesn't matter. Her immunity to most of the viral infections out there makes (and the fact she herself was an experiment under control) makes her nearly close to Alice territory. All that's missing is the mind powers.

But News Bot's point shouldn't stop at just Jill. It raises a valid question about the future of this franchise. How do you make the games scarier again? It helps to have characters unfamiliar with what's happening and less experienced to go up against the situation. Like how Chris and Jill were in RE1. Despite being STARS they had no idea what they were getting into when they flew out that night. Now they're both prepared to take on any type of BOW.

This goes for Leon as well. Once a rookie officer unaware of what was going on in Raccoon city. Now he's a government agent assigned and specialized for these occasions.

Most of the supporting cast are made aware of BOWs and some like Parker have had their own past experience fighting them before joining a returning character. Exceptions like Steve and Ashley be damned.

So if we want to make these games more scary it does help to bring in a new threat that the protagonists are completely unprepared for. To the point where the object is to escape with their lives being the main priority. For that, I can't see a way to make this happen without sacrificing Leon, Chris, Jill and to a degree Claire.

[News Bot]

Doesn't matter. Her immunity to most of the viral infections out there makes (and the fact she herself was an experiment under control) makes her nearly close to Alice territory. All that's missing is the mind powers.

But News Bot's point shouldn't stop at just Jill. It raises a valid question about the future of this franchise. How do you make the games scarier again? It helps to have characters unfamiliar with what's happening and less experienced to go up against the situation. Like how Chris and Jill were in RE1. Despite being STARS they had no idea what they were getting into when they flew out that night. Now they're both prepared to take on any type of BOW.

This goes for Leon as well. Once a rookie officer unaware of what was going on in Raccoon city. Now he's a government agent assigned and specialized for these occasions.

Most of the supporting cast are made aware of BOWs and some like Parker have had their own past experience fighting them before joining a returning character. Exceptions like Steve and Ashley be damned.

So if we want to make these games more scary it does help to bring in a new threat that the protagonists are completely unprepared for. To the point where the object is to escape with their lives being the main priority. For that, I can't see a way to make this happen without sacrificing Leon, Chris, Jill and to a degree Claire.

Completely agree. The main cast is simply too used to the events going on around them, it gives an air of predictability to the series each time they are featured in a game, especially a prequel. These characters do not have any loose ends in regards to the story, they're just being dragged along for the sake of familiarity. This rubs off on the gameplay since they aren't expected to be frightened of the things they're facing. Working for an organization specifically established to regularly come into direct contact with B.O.W.s does not help the element of fear.

[Dracarys]

With the way the RE universe has grown, wherever a bioterror threat pops up the local BSAA crew will be sent in to save the day. You see the RE6 and Damnation trailers, got tanks and stuff now. I don't see how meant to play as as some 'normal' person anymore because the local BSAA should just have your ass out of there in 5 minutes. The only way it should work anymore if if you play someone seeking a way through or even to the monsters, as the last several games have done.

[News Bot]

With the way the RE universe has grown, wherever a bioterror threat pops up the local BSAA crew will be sent in to save the day. You see the RE6 and Damnation trailers, got tanks and stuff now. I don't see how meant to play as as some 'normal' person anymore because the local BSAA should just have your ass out of there in 5 minutes. The only way it should work anymore if if you play someone seeking a way through or even to the monsters, as the last several games have done.

The BSAA itself doesn't have tanks, those two settings are in war-zones. Tanks are just lying around. And bioterrorism isn't as easy as sending in one BSAA team to clean-up. That's underestimating the general issue.

Another Raccoon City/Sheena Island/Terragrigia/Tall Oaks will always be perfect material for a 'normal' person. B.O.W.s and bioterrorism in general by their very nature are highly volatile and not easily handled.

[Mrox2]

I want an RE3 Remaster or remake with her , but not now , until the series is focusing on "Horror" again ...
I want another DLC For RE5 lol , they leaved more Story DLC Slots .... was revelations supposed to be one of them ?

[[STARS]TyranT]

It perhaps would be time for the series to in effect and pull a MGS2 and have us play as some rookie BSAA agents with Chris as your CO.

[Det. Beauregard]

So if we want to make these games more scary it does help to bring in a new threat that the protagonists are completely unprepared for. To the point where the object is to escape with their lives being the main priority. For that, I can't see a way to make this happen without sacrificing Leon, Chris, Jill and to a degree Claire.

I think this style of game could work with Claire (simply because she isn't some uber-soldier-secret-agent like the others), but as for the other three, I agree. What if there was a biohazard outbreak in a Tall Oaks-style town, say, on the east coast of the US, and Claire and her TerraSave buddies are sent in to provide aid and relief? But she gets trapped in the quarantine zone and has to figure out how to escape a town full of BOWs alone (no co-op, since it detracts from the horror atmosphere). No BS objective markers, checkpoints, or ridiculous melee moves - just good old-fashioned survival horror. Since Claire only used weapons in RE2, CVX, and Degeneration because she had no other choice (not being a trained soldier), I think this kind of game could work without destroying her character.

[Canas Renvall]

I think this style of game could work with Claire (simply because she isn't some uber-soldier-secret-agent like the others), but as for the other three, I agree. What if there was a biohazard outbreak in a Tall Oaks-style town, say, on the east coast of the US, and Claire and her TerraSave buddies are sent in to provide aid and relief? But she gets trapped in the quarantine zone and has to figure out how to escape a town full of BOWs alone (no co-op, since it detracts from the horror atmosphere). No BS objective markers, checkpoints, or ridiculous melee moves - just good old-fashioned survival horror. Since Claire only used weapons in RE2, CVX, and Degeneration because she had no other choice (not being a trained soldier), I think this kind of game could work without destroying her character.
Let's not forget that she's been touched by the same God of War that the others had, what with that stupidly out-of-place ballerina kick/gun firing combo she pulled in Degeneration.

Which is hilarious, considering a shard of glass the size of my fingernail completely throws her out of commission in favor of Superminator Leon.

[Cad Bane]

I'd like to see Jill and Claire in a starring role again. I'm getting a bit sick of seeing Chris and Leon all the time.

[Mr. Spencer]

Okay, what idiot revived this shitfest of a topic?

[Smiley]

Actually I'm looking at it with a nice smirk. Knowing how we shouldn't be playing Mary Sue characters yet Wesker's son is the exception.... :P

[News Bot]

Actually I'm looking at it with a nice smirk. Knowing how we shouldn't be playing Mary Sue characters yet Wesker's son is the exception.... :P

Is Wesker a Mary Sue? Or Manuela Hidalgo? Or Alexia Ashford? Muller has much more in common with them. He's a human with enhanced abilities. That's all there is to it. And from the looks of things, his superhuman abilities are temporary and he needs repeated injections to regain them. He's not a psychic with no personality and flawless abilities that overcomes any and all situations with ease.

[Smiley]

In the main series where up till now the player human characters had to face off against powerful infected I'd say it doesn't matter if characters like Wesker and Alexia shared such traits as they were the antagonists the heroes had to overcome despite the odds.

Manuella was neither playable nor a main protagonist. And even if she was (like Wesker in Umbrella Chronicles being playable) the game she was in was a rail shooter and not a survival horror title. A difference in game play where one's obstacle is to presumably shoot everything in your line of sight and the other is meant to bring about fear. And you can hardly bring about fear as a super enhanced character. That's worse than human characters who just happen to get more action oriented with each game. When you're "enhanced" with powers the game play design encourages you to use them.

[News Bot]

In the main series where up till now the player human characters had to face off against powerful infected I'd say it doesn't matter if characters like Wesker and Alexia shared such traits as they were the antagonists the heroes had to overcome despite the odds.

Manuella was neither playable nor a main protagonist. And even if she was (like Wesker in Umbrella Chronicles being playable) the game she was in was a rail shooter and not a survival horror title. A difference in game play where one's obstacle is to presumably shoot everything in your line of sight and the other is meant to bring about fear. And you can hardly bring about fear as a super enhanced character. That's worse than human characters who just happen to get more action oriented with each game. When you're "enhanced" with powers the game play design encourages you to use them.

Okay, so your only complaint is playing as a superhuman for limited times in one scenario of a three scenario game?

Not sure about you but the entire series has always been focused on shooting things. More experienced players are able to dodge, but generally, there is a heavy emphasis on gunning down monsters.

[Smiley]

Misunderstood the point regarding the difference between rail shooters and survival horror and what both hop to achieve.

UC got away with playing Wesker because horror was not a focal point for that game. It was all about rail shooting.

And yes, I do not believe that playing a super powered protagonist is what the games needed no regardless of length. It didn't do the movies any favors except raise the action further. Which I expect to be the case for RE6.

[News Bot]

Misunderstood the point regarding the difference between rail shooters and survival horror and what both hop to achieve.

UC got away with playing Wesker because horror was not a focal point for that game. It was all about rail shooting.

And yes, I do not believe that playing a super powered protagonist is what the games needed no regardless of length. It didn't do the movies any favors except raise the action further. Which I expect to be the case for RE6.

And I didn't mention UC once. I said the series in general has always been about shooting things.

Muller's scenario has more of a focus on running away than fighting, although the latter is present for certain segments. Guess how many fans of the series, old and new, wanted to play as a superhuman Wesker? Lots.

[Darkmoon]

In fairness, you can have awesome characters and horror. Alice fails at this because her powers far outstrip humans, but humans can fight the same monsters she fights - ergo those monsters have as much chance as alcohol vs fire.

If the enemies are balanced to fight the character, then it'll work. It can even make it more horrifying - for all his super duper genetically enhanced powers of awesome, he's still having his balls handed to him. Done well, anyway.

Of course, I very much doubt it'll be anything other than DMC in an RE game...

[Smiley]

In fairness, you can have awesome characters and horror. Alice fails at this because her powers far outstrip humans, but humans can fight the same monsters she fights - ergo those monsters have as much chance as alcohol vs fire.

If the enemies are balanced to fight the character, then it'll work. It can even make it more horrifying - for all his super duper genetically enhanced powers of awesome, he's still having his balls handed to him. Done well, anyway.

Of course, I very much doubt it'll be anything other than DMC in an RE game...


That would be fine if it was suggested that Alice never had a conflict despite having powers. In all movies where she had powers there were instances of vulnerability. Be it her first encounter against Nemesis, red neck rapists, her fight against the Issacs Tyrant or even losing her army and powers to Wesker.

Regardless we're just talking about a balance which results in one power dominating the other in an action sequence. If Muller's the kind of guy that says "B.O.W.s those are extra." I'm not holding out that his sections will be horrific. Action for sure. Even action has its chase sequences.