HD Collection PS3 Exclusive (Hah! 360 too) /New VAs

[Dracarys]

http://www.psu.com/E3-2011--Silent-Hill-HD-Collection-to-be-PS3-exclusive,-include-new-voice-acting--a011975-p0.php


While it was announced in a maelstrom of Silent Hill information, Konami hasn't cleared up much about the Silent Hill HD Collection, until now.

Konami has confirmed that the HD collection of Silent Hill 2, and Silent Hill 3, will be remastered on the PlayStation 3 exclusively. Of course, this 2-in-1 horror-fest will include the mandatory trophy support, but Konami has stated that both games will come bearing new voice-overs. The inclusion of new voice-acting comes as a surprise, albeit a welcomed one, but it's nice to see Konami try to patch up the game before its release.

This announcement of exclusivity contrasts Konami's choice to bring the (also) newly announced Metal Gear Solid/Zone of the Enders HD Collections to the PS3, and Xbox 360.


http://thegamingliberty.com/index.php/2011/06/10/original-james-voice-actor-speaks-out-about-silent-hill-2-hd-re-casting/


TGL got in touch with Guy Cihi, the voice of Silent Hill 2 protagonist James Sunderland and asked him if he would be returning to voice James in the HD Collection and if he knew anything about being re-cast. He had some blunt words for Konami and made the following response:

“Konami knows that they owe me residuals for all previous unauthorized re-uses of my mocap and vocal performances. It would appear Konami is seeking to avoid further liability by changing the voice in their latest re-use of the SH2 materials. However, if any of my mocap appears in the new release, Konami will be liable for unauthorized reuse of my performance. Like Gump’s momma said, “Stupid is as stupid does.” It would have been much better for everyone had Konami simply made me a reasonable offer…”

He added further; “I’ll get around to seeking compensation through the courts one of these days. I simply don’t have the time for it right now. I hope this doesn’t bum out any fans… It’s just business as usual on the production side of games.”

[GuardhouseMusic]

Fucking Konami...why fix what isn't broken (I know the answer's money, but god damn)? I mean, the VA isn't perfect, but I don't think fans would appreciate being jarred by stuff like that. Oh well, I'm just going to assume from here on that the replacements will be Oscar calibre.

[PracticalAl]

You've got to be kidding me.. And just what the f*ck was wrong with the original voice acting?? "A welcome change"? Who is welcoming this change? Their example of the supposed "poor" voice acting is the opening cinematic.. That's bad voice acting? Is it perfect, no, but it is certainly effective. That scene remains to be one of the most unsettling in the not just the game, but the whole series!

If the original voice track is not an option, which at this point seems unlikely due to liabilities, then you can count me the hell out. Good job Konami.

[Dracarys]

To be honest the original VA was crap.

[Stu]

"He added further; “I’ll get around to seeking compensation through the courts one of these days. I simply don’t have the time for it right now."

Oh cut the bullshit hahaha

[Rombie]

^ This all came out of the wood work a year or so back, so he's not lying... he's not stalling for more time or to make more money one would think, because he tried contacting Konami about it several times. If he wanted more he'd be forcing it through the system now to enforce it and also make more money off the HD edition in further royalties. He's not an actor by trade, so he's probably busy with his actual work.

The fact they announced the HD editions, I'd thought they'd worked this out but clearly they haven't. Might mean a delay in the release depending on what happens next.

[Scream]

This is unbelievable BS. Silent Hill 3 had awesome voice over work. It's also an insult to Richard Grosse who died shortly after the release of SH3. "No-one will be crying over my grave", damn right, Konami don't give a crap..

[Smiley]

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp324/frugsplayground/1256523423443.jpg

[Darkmoon]

I own Silent Hill 2 and 3. I like the voice acting in both. I will not bother buying these versions when all they offer is, likely, some cheap and inferior voice actors trying to sound like the voice I've heard for the last decade. Oh, and slightly updated graphics...

[Smiley]

It's pretty disrespectful. It would be like DC Douglas voicing Wesker in the HD versions of Code Veronica and RE4...on second thought I better not jinx myself.....*knocks on wood*

[rewak]

HD repackages are totally worthless anyway, just hook up a PS2 or install them on a PC and play them, why pay again for something you already have? To smooth out a few lines? Looks aren't what make a game good, the first SH looks like shit and it's still awesome.

[Dracarys]

HD repackages are totally worthless anyway, just hook up a PS2 or install them on a PC and play them, why pay again for something you already have? To smooth out a few lines? Looks aren't what make a game good, the first SH looks like shit and it's still awesome.

Personally I've tried playing several PS2 games on HDTVs and they mostly look like crap to the point it detracts from the game. I don't have or want a PC to emulate them and I got tired of PC gaming years back.

But most of all, I'd happily pay for the ability to play those games without having to get my PS2 back out from being packed away and instead enjoy the easy of playing them on my PS3 without crap like memory cards and wired controllers.

HD remasters = awesome.

[Stu]

HD repackages are totally worthless anyway, just hook up a PS2 or install them on a PC and play them, why pay again for something you already have? To smooth out a few lines? Looks aren't what make a game good, the first SH looks like shit and it's still awesome.

What a wonderfully short sighted view :lol:

What about those who don't have a PS2? What about those without the PC hardware to emulate? What about those who DON'T already have it?

[Mr. Spencer]

I think I'll stick to my original intention of picking up the Splinter Cell HD Collection. Least I don't run from enemies like LITTLE LITTLE COWARD MAN.

[Rombie]

Outside of the PS2 thing... I own the games (including both the PAL Director's Cut) and I'd love it in HD. HD editions of Silent Hill will be epic. Silent Hill 3 already had high render options on the PC which the console edition was lacking for obvious reasons.

I somehow doubt the voices in SH3 will be changed, it looks like they are referring to the voice issues in SH2. But it's silly because Cihi did the mo-cap as he mentioned (some of it is shown on the SH2 making of disc), so they might as well just pay him for his work and get the thing out there as it was originally rather than hiring new actors.

I also hope they are putting the Restless Dreams edition and not just the original.

[rewak]

What a wonderfully short sighted view :lol:

What about those who don't have a PS2? What about those without the PC hardware to emulate? What about those who DON'T already have it?

Picking up a second hand PS2 and copies of both games would be cheap, maybe cheaper than picking up a new-release priced HD re-release. Both games were released on PC, that's what i meant. Here's shots of both PC versions running 1080p, probably exactly what the re-release will look like.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/2235/sh2pc2011010203195300.jpg
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2873/sh2pc2011042319010mqw9.png
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7017/backdrop1.jpg
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5885/backdrop.jpg

[riderkid]

hey, what resolution are those running. i get pretty good at 1280x1024 but i always have a bitch configuring my logitech to play the game. in fact My ATI is running pretty awesome with this game.

but yeah i have no PS2 and am on a budget. the only reason im getting a ps3 is its my birthday in august. so these collections might be my only chance of replaying these games since mine were stolen

[Dot50Cal]

Heard about this a bit late, but I'm pretty excited. Kinda iffy on the VA thing, but then again SH2's VA wasn't exactly stellar.

[Stu]

Picking up a second hand PS2 and copies of both games would be cheap, maybe cheaper than picking up a new-release priced HD re-release.[QUOTE=rewak;189862]Second hand PS2, £30. Copies of Silent Hill 2 and Silent Hill 3 second hand, £15. That's not cheaper than a HD port.

[QUOTE=rewak;189862]Both games were released on PC, that's what i meant. Here's shots of both PC versions running 1080p, probably exactly what the re-release will look like.Well, then my response wouldn't change. You're still hoping that you've got the compatible hardware to run it either way.

[rewak]

The games are nearly 10 years old, if you don't have compatible hardware what kind of PC do you have? They aren't demanding games to run.

[Stu]

Can you guarantee they'll work for everyone then?

[rewak]

Unless you're running a relic on Windows 95 chances are you'll be just fine, they're pretty flexible games unlike a lot of recent ones. PC gaming not even 10 years ago was so easy, i miss those times.

[Rombie]

rewak - the PC controls like ass, and SH2 in particular was a very sloppy port. I'd take an HD console edition over the PC versions any day. Hell I have the PC editions and outside of how good SH3 looks in particular I'll still play my PS2 versions because the controls are shoddy.

[Canas Renvall]

Really? I didn't have a problem using my 360 controller connected to the USB port. Works like a charm.

[Rombie]

Well, correction then. I didn't have a gamepad to use, the PC control without it was very lackluster. Ignore my control issues.

[Scream]

I would also say I had no problems with the PC ports of SH2/3 - I used a PS3 controller via USB. In fact I was almost impressed by how little problems I had, the only issue IIRC was configuring the correct buttons for SH3 which took a little trial and error. Graphics seemed good if not better at times.

[Dot50Cal]

I recall hooking up the SH2 pc version a while back. It had some issues I can't really recall though. In the end, I went with the Xbox version through 360 emulation..we all know how that turned out. Glad to see they are doing HD versions though. Its just the excuse I needed to play them again.

Have they said if they will make them widescreen at all?

[Scream]

Did you patch it? I remember before I applied the patch it wasn't doing something right.. funny no-one can remember, must of erased our memories.

[Canas Renvall]

^ You're just suppressing it, Scream. Remember...

Remember the terrible things you did... -.-

[Scream]

Yeah actually.. I think.. I remember...

.. Shit, lost it!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Scream108/lostit.gif

[riderkid]

the PC versions work on windows 7 with the no CD patch. also is there a release date? i plan on getting a PS3 in august for my Bday

[Rombie]

Dot - I don't think any comment on widescreen has been said, but everyone else is supporting it (including the HD editions of Konami's other major porting effort of MGS2 and 3) so I would be surprised not to see it.

riderkid - No official date.

[Kaneco]

Hmm...My only concern is why did they not include SH4 into the mix.

The game wasn't exactly great for an SH game but it was great game that shares the same graphic art style and engine...so why?

It would have been a more complete package for including all three games of that specific console generation, except for origins which was more of a port from the PSP to PS2 (only).

[riderkid]

maybe they 'll add them last minute. origins will probably be in the REmaster series along with shattered memories

[riderkid]

well gamestop has an american release on sept 20th. so i will be getting my friend to buy ti to make up for him not BRINGING MY FUCKING DVDS AND GAMES TO HIS AUNTS HOUSE OVER THANKSGIVING LIKE I FUCKING ASKED HIM!!!

GOD SAKEAS THEY WERE ALL IN A FUCKING SPACE BAG!!! IT SHOULD NOT HAVE INCONVIENCED HIM AT FUCKING ALL!!!

FUCK!!!

[Canas Renvall]

Seriously man... if you're gonna force someone to buy a game because he forgot to bring your games for Thanksgiving, you might wanna get that checked out. :lol:

[riderkid]

Seriously man... if you're gonna force someone to buy a game because he forgot to bring your games for Thanksgiving, you might wanna get that checked out. :lol:

ok, so i am supposed to forget that when i asked him to please look out for my games the bastards i lived with stole that he just stood by and let them sell them?

also i know this cause they were stupid enoguh to use my gamestop rewards card i left in the case ( i use the keychain card )

besides he offered to buy the game without me asking. I brought it up in conversation and he said he'll buy it to make up for the loss of both my silent hills and fatal frame...REALLY pissed about that. plus im gettign a ps3 in august for my Bday and really want that game for it.

[BeefWellington]

The new voice over shit is just an outrage. The god of war collection didnt get new voices why the hell should silent hill?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/choklitcows_91/gifs/cool%20story%20bro/da66892f66a6.gif

[Smiley]

The games were synced to their performances too right? Doesn't that just make the new lineup "dub work"? Really sounds like mixed results here.

[Rombie]

For SH2 at least, cutscene voice was recorded with motion capture at the same time. So yeah, it'll be interesting with them done separately unless for some odd reason Konami does both again.

[Mr_Zombie]

I wonder what will they do about CGI; they can't rerender them too. And with different voice actors, lip-sync will be off.

[MeanBob]

It's a real shame. IMO, Silent Hill 2 and 3's voice acting was great. It had its hiccups here and there, but the voices made those games what they are (besides Akira Yamaoka's music)

[Darkmoon]

So...if they decide to dump the voices, they'll need to dump all the mocap for it to make any sense, and therefore need to redo all that as well, paying a new Mocap minion and voice actor...

Wouldn't it be more cost effective, Konami, to suck it up and admit you're wrong, then pay the fellow and not fuck around with an all time classic?

[Scream]

I'm sure it will be hacked and replaced with the original files some time or another.. I guess we can check out these new voices until then..Maybe they're better? Who knows! Is there a preview out yet?

[Darkmoon]

I'll be honest - I'm not sure 'better' would do any good, for me. I'm so used to how James sounds, any change would like make my teeth itch. Better or worse, the voice would be wrong. But really, what's the point - it seems like Konami will end up paying almost as much or more to redo this stuff as it would cost to send the man his check. Send him the money and save yourself some effort. Seems a no brainer to me, unless someone knows why, exactly, Konami decided to stiff the original actor?

[Gradon]

Product Page from GameStop claims new soundtrack along with voice acting (http://www.gamestop.com/ps3/games/silent-hill-re-mastered-collection/91659?ref=r11ecpdp&cross=270837)


Completely updated in-game voiceover directed by series vocalist Mary Elizabeth McGlynn and soundtrack score enhancing the storytelling and ambient music within each re-mastered game.

Mary Elizabeth McGlynn is still there... but taking away the music from the game is felony.

[Canas Renvall]

This... I... I'm so confused... I'll buy it solely for Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, but taking away the music? Are you for fucking real?

Unless I read that wrong and it means that she's the voice acting director and not actually in the game herself, in which case this is so far off my list now.

[GuardhouseMusic]

Alright then, Konami can take their updated visuals and shove them up their asses. No original soundtrack, no go.

[Scream]

Eh, I'll just wait for the release before commenting further... Don't know what they're doing to be honest..

[Darkmoon]

OK, I'm getting confused now. Am I reading this right? Rather than pay James' voice and mocap actor what they were meant to, they'd rather re-do the entire voice section AND the music, arguably one of the finest sound tracks to have ever come out of anything, ever? They'd rather pay five or six new people than pay what they owe to one guy?

..are they just hurling money into a big pit too? It would make as much sense - at least the big pit could be considered a sacrifice by a demonic being that will send them the gift of common sense?

Seriously, did Guy Cihi go to a Konami office party, sacrifice the CEO's virgin daughter to Capcom and piss in the punch or something? Either they agreed to pay him an ungodly sum or they're hurling away money for no sane reason.

[Canas Renvall]

And this is where we all go "...It's Japan. Home of used panty vending machines and tentacle hentai." :P

[Darkmoon]

They're usually fairly economically sane though - panties and porn sell. Refusing to pay one guy so they decide to pay a bunch of others, unless they owe the first a fuck ton of cash, seems nuts.

[PracticalAl]

I'm confused as well. Are they remastering the OST or making a completely different one? Is it because Akira Yamaoka is a free agent now? Do they owe him money too? WTF?!.. I wonder what they'll change next.. Maybe they'll 'enhance' the game to make it more like the movies! Big breasted nurses and a female James anyone? :D..

I joke and yet, I'm really dying inside..

[Darkmoon]

If they do? I know where Konami lives. On an unrelated topic, I know how to reduce a building to rubble with the ingredients of my kitchen cupboard.

[rewak]

Unless I read that wrong and it means that she's the voice acting director and not actually in the game herself, in which case this is so far off my list now.

That's exactly what it is, she directed the new voice overs, she isn't doing new vocal work herself and her songs might not even be in the new versions now. I've always said before this release was announced that an HD re-release of the SH games from 2 onwards is pointless, with every passing statement it becomes even less pointless than i thought. Konami are getting to be as worthless as Square-Enix these days :rollseyes

[Dracarys]

Speak for yourself, I will will buy these and enjoy them. "He always busted my balls, man" "Lets party!"

Brilliant writing, man.

[News Bot]

Speak for yourself, I will will buy these and enjoy them. "He always busted my balls, man" "Lets party!"

Brilliant writing, man.

Crazy people don't tend to be master linguists.

[DarkMemories]

Maybe they figure that by changing so much it will be an actual selling point for the games beyond being meer remasters? Stranger things have happened, and Silent Hill doesn't rake in the dough for them the way other series do.

[rewak]

That's because the series has gone from bad to worse lately, re-releasing what most consider the best SH game along with the other good PS2 SH game would have been selling point enough for those who like these HD re-releases. Fucking with it takes that selling point away because it's no longer the same game, the nostalgia element is removed. Given that the only other release Konami has coming up soon is the MGS HD re-releases you'd think they would want to tread very carefully. I really don't get how some people can say this isn't a terrible move. Heck if they came out and said "Hey we're replacing all the voice work in the MGS-HD release" there would be blood in the streets!

[Rombie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUGFk-owlSM

There is a new song on the trailer, what that actually means for the collection... well, who knows. Hard to tell how HD it really is off a shakey ComicCon camera, but visually it looks good.

[randomwab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUGFk-owlSM

There is a new song on the trailer, what that actually means for the collection... well, who knows. Hard to tell how HD it really is off a shakey ComicCon camera, but visually it looks good.

Actually, it's not new. It's an old Silent Hill 3 era unused track that was recently released with the Silent Hill Sounds Box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm6W9q4mlNM

Gotta love Romersa. Ef the haters.

[Rombie]

Ooh, cheers. I hadn't heard any of those tracks.

[Enrico Marini]

Well replacing the sounds and voice actors is a big no no for me. Remastering the original scores to be clearer I would accept.

As for James's voice actor, if they jipped him so long ago and now they paid him, wouldn't that be an admittance that Konami was at fault and make them legally vunerable?

Sadly its unlikely I'll touch the remastered stuff. I have a hard enough time readjusting to Director's Cut movies (especially the Dawn Of the Dead 2004 one with the extra scenes). It tends to grate for me and make it unenjoyable.

[Gradon]

Apparently the ComicCon trailer is a fake (http://alchemillahospital.net/sh-hd-comic-con-trailer-is-fake/)

[Rombie]

Hmmm....

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLpyDqs8e-AF-1uXJISbyN5vJ2UDDQp8GOKaTihDdJSFD1lTNnwQ

[rewak]

Of course it was faked, there were people cheering at the end of the trailer.

[aris13]

Of course it was faked, there were people cheering at the end of the trailer.

True, few people are excited about SH games these days.

[Humor Tumor]

True, few people are excited about SH games these days.

Yup, I've always been one of those. Never really could get into the series. Was hoping this would be a good chance to.

Luckily the replaced VA and score won't bother me as much as a Silent Hill fan.

[DeadArtist]

I've only played Silent hill 4 until it stopped working on my pc for unknown reasons, which was a big let down for me, because it really scared me. I also played Homecoming which also scared me. I would like to get Silent Hill 2 for the ps3 and if that is good, well then count me in on part 3.

[jimmyjoejangles]

silent hill three is awesome, good soundtrack, and you can unlock a light saber, really liked all the silent hills except for the room because it was stupid

[Canas Renvall]

^ Solid argument there. "It was stupid". :lol:

It was different, doesn't mean it was bad. Sure, I never finished it. The backtracking killed it for me, but up to that point it was scary as shit.

As for the soundtrack thing, as you may have read, that's being completely redone. :P Yaaaay Konami. Don't pick this up on the PS3, you're better off finding old PS2 copies, or PC copies. I have the PC versions of 2 and 3 and not only are they gorgeous, but they also... well, have the original VAs. And Akira's music. Which makes a huge impact on the scare factor of the game.

[Mr_Zombie]

The Room has really, really bad gameplay design. I love the game for its atmosphere, soundtrack, story, but I admit that playing through it was a bit... tedious. Constant backtracking to the room, heavily limited inventory with no stacking, breakable weapons that you couldn't drop, invincible ghosts, invincible Walter, escorting Eileen, weird enemy design (possessed wheelchairs, monkeys, burping patients?)... it was all simply bad.


Luckily the replaced VA and score won't bother me as much as a Silent Hill fan.
OST is one of the best things in Silent Hill series. Even if everything fails (*cough* Homecoming *cough*), you could bet that soundtrack is still great. I hope that those rumors about changed soundtrack are false.

[News Bot]

Silent Hill 1~3 is where it should have ended.

The fear of trilogies tends to create fear for the franchise. (upon revision this reference makes no fucking sense)

[Beanovsky Durst]

Fuck this. No Yamaoka no buy. As simple as that.

[Summoner]

Wait, so they've changed the voice actors? That's depressing. Heather is my favourite SH character, and a large part of that comes from her voice. She just sounded right somehow. Not like a voice actor, but as if she was actually speaking from experiences, if that makes sense.

Also, the loss of Yamaoka is a heavy blow. Canas Renvall hit the nail on the head, much of the games' suspense and fear came from the music. I'm not sure if these new ones will stand up.

[Beanovsky Durst]

GX1GFlbICWw Sneak peak of the new voiceovers... Also the HD collection is going to be available also on Xbox 360. Still not amused by the lack of Yamaoka.

[riderkid]

ok so yay on the 360...but wtf was with the male voice actors sounding like japanese trying to be american?

the only solution i see is to allow an option to have both sets of audio usable for this game, lord knows yatzhee will be firing balls of death and pain.

[Branden_Lucero]

wow they really butchered the HD collection

[riderkid]

sadly i w3ill buy this cause i am a silent hill fan...

[Canas Renvall]

Fuck... now I gotta buy it, that's Mary Elizabeth McGlynn as Mary, is it not?

As much as I hate this idea of changing VAs (and so far, James and Eddie sound worse), Mary Elizabeth getting involved that much into SH2 is very tempting... She sounds much darker and deeper than Mary/Maria in the original. But that could very well be the bias I have toward her.

[Darkmoon]

Mary/Maria sounds OK...James and Eddie made me cringe, though.

[GuardhouseMusic]

Maria sounds awful, a sterner version of the older vocal performance which sounded playful and tempting (or mood swingy) for a god damned reason. Mary Elizabeth McGlynn should be ashamed of herself, regardless of how much of a fixture of the series she's become.

As for James and Eddie, Darkmoon said it best. Actually, it sounds like they're cringing in their performance. Definitely not getting this.

EDIT: To slow down just a bit, I will admit that it would've taken a miracle to get me to accept anything different for the VA. What can I say? Silent Hill is up there, if not eclipses RE as my favorite series.

[riderkid]

gamestop has removed the gmae of there site and amazon now has a 2011 window on there site, no matter what i can now next month get some well deserved revenge on todd now...he did say he would get the gmae for me...and for those saying i am still beign petty...fuck off.

[Rombie]

Ugh. Horrible, just horrible. Sticking with my PS2 versions thank you.

[Scream]

James sounded the worst I think.

Any previews of SH3 yet?

[Smiley]

Might get this down the road, but this and RE4/CVX are no rush buys for me. I guess it helps that my ps3 is backwards compatible.

As far as the new voices are concerned I think it goes without saying that this was a mistake.

It's one thing to recast an actor for a brand new game like say Tara Strong playing Harley Quinn in Arkham City instead of Arleen Sorkin.

It's another to take pre-existing work and cover over it. And in the case a past actor with a new actor. The last time I saw something so insulting was the special edition of the Star Wars trilogy.

I also heard they did something like this with the psp version of Shadow of Destiny.

Now granted I know acting is a business all on its own as well. And the decision to have new voice actors was definitely a business move by the people working on HD release of the game. Even so, this is a case of business trumping over art. For Silent Hill 2 and 3 I would gladly defend its artistic merit in many categories including the vocal talent. To hear the voice of some professional recognizable voice actor filling in the same shoes just rings false to me after having played the original version many times over and hearing a performance that I've grown accustomed to. It may not amount to much for newcomers, but to a fan like me this is unfortunate. Even more so when you look at the work involved in those specific games for the direction they were given in both vocal performance (and in some cases vocal and physical mocap).

Anyway that's all I have to say on the matter. The fact is Silent Hill has become just like any other long lasting franchise and changes will be made to pave the way for further business and new fans just like Resident Evil. In this case though it's just a shame that changes had to be made at the expense of excluding previous actor's performances. Regardless, Mary Elizabeth McGlynn is good at what she does, but it's also a business for her just like any other gig and I'm sure she's well compensated for her contributions to the franchise.

[rewak]

Sound like Rahda Mitchell and Sean Bean doing Mary/Maria and James. Lord knows what Eddy sounds like, Sylvester Stallone with a cold? Terrible terrible terrible idea to replace the VA's and the games don't even look anything more than the PC versions running at HD resolutions. I'll bet you whoever actually is doing Mary/Maria will probably do Heather as well, James' actor will do Vincent, etc etc, cause they aren't exactly splashing out money on good talent so why bother spending on separate actors?

[Canas Renvall]

Sound like Rahda Mitchell and Sean Bean doing Mary/Maria and James. Lord knows what Eddy sounds like, Sylvester Stallone with a cold? Terrible terrible terrible idea to replace the VA's and the games don't even look anything more than the PC versions running at HD resolutions. I'll bet you whoever actually is doing Mary/Maria will probably do Heather as well, James' actor will do Vincent, etc etc, cause they aren't exactly splashing out money on good talent so why bother spending on separate actors?
^ I highly doubt Mary Elizabeth McGlynn would play as Heather. If anything, she'd make a better Claudia, only with a deeper, darker voice.

But I agree, this is really upsetting. You can't replace someone like Vincent or Heather. They just... sound perfect. I mean c'mon, nobody else could replicate that crazy-yet-calm smoothness of Vincent.

"Relax. It's... just a joke..."

Or, again, even Heather's strong performance.

"Shut your stinkin' mouth, bitch!"

^ Nobody else can do that. Not even Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, as much as I love her. :P

[Zombie_X]

WTF with those new voices!?!?!?! They are god awful! Blergh!!

James and Eddie didn't bother me but Maria's voice was totally off. Wow Konami just fucked up two perfectly great games. Guess I'll just stick with my PS2 versions and just upscale them.

[Smiley]

Maybe we shouldn't be jumping the gun here yet. I mean Mary Elizabeth is talented as a singer and actress, and her resume in voice directing shows with games like Umbrella Chronic*SHOT*

[Dracarys]

New VA sounds fine to me.

[GuardhouseMusic]

New VA sounds fine to me.

Heh, I was waiting for your fantagonism. It's common knowledge around here that you never liked SH2 so I was fully expecting this.

[Canas Renvall]

^ Kylie never liked SH2? o_o

[MeanBob]

New voices are terrible. 'Nuff said :(. If only Konami paid back Guy Cihi

[Agito]

Well I guess its a good pick up if you've never played the games and are wanting to get into it, right? Although, the SH games would scare the hell out of me XD

[Smiley]

http://www.youtube.com/user/TwinPerfectChannel#p/u/0/7GKtsHcJOMI

http://www.youtube.com/user/TwinPerfectChannel#p/u/3/TRtrO-eSwVw (http://www.youtube.com/user/TwinPerfectChannel#p/u/3/TRtrO-eSwVw)

http://www.youtube.com/user/TwinPerfectChannel#p/u/7/gvcs-9lSm64 (http://www.youtube.com/user/TwinPerfectChannel#p/u/7/gvcs-9lSm64)

[Darkmoon]

That comparison really hammers home the differences. Eddie just sounds so much worse in the new version.

Also, are they just keeping the old FMV's with no updates?

[GuardhouseMusic]

Ah, "the real silent hill experience," presenting you with well researched retrospectives. Just don't mind the pretentious and feeble attempts at humor. Whatever, I'm with them in this case.

[DarkMemories]

The voices wouldn't be all that bad (except for James, who sounds like's trying really hard to sound masculine) if it weren't for the lip synch that's simply not going to ever work correctly.

[Kei_M]

At first my reaction was very negative, but watching the comparison (which I guess was trying to show how bad they were) actually made me appreciate them. They are different yes, but when I stopped trying to compare them...they actually were easier to listen to.

[Canas Renvall]

I still think Eddie sounds wretched, James sounds too... manly (like he's trying to sound masculine, as DarkMemories said), but goddammit... I like the more sinister-sounding Maria. I'll buy this used down the line I'm sure, just for Mary Elizabeth McGlynn.

[Smiley]

I daresay I think I've agitated some people on Rely on Horror (http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/troy-baker-to-play-james-sunderland-in-silent-hill-2-hd/) over this matter.

[Darkmoon]

...there are still people at Rely on Horror? I thought they'd all left.

[Smiley]

If there's a topic relevant I'll contribute to a discussion. I was unaware until recently of the troubled waters that site seems to have here. But I'm not sure I know the full story.

[Darkmoon]

Not much of a story. The admin over there went a little mad with power, the forums turned into an old boys only club (something we've been accused off, but when it's a case of the mods being ordered to leave certain chosen members alone...), they had a fiasco when they refused to take down the RE5 demo spoilers and it cost them an interview with a member of the development team, and then they switched to the Rely on Horror thing.

That and the site was about 1/3 adverts...it was so bad it earned the nickname Pop-Up Horror.

Basically, a lot of people just found it crap. I have no idea if it's still like that.

[Enrico Marini]

Err......... and people really think the rerecorded is good? I can't stand it. It actually makes me want to convulse and vomit on the floor. One its not synched well to the facial/mouth movements and two, to me it sounds as if they are trying to make all the characters more sinister with "gravelly" voices. I prefer the happless James, the cheerful yet sinister Mary/ia and the god knows what he is on Eddie.

To me characters who can happily say "killing a person is no big deal" with a so so chirpy outlook is more scary than a person who sounds a little bitter and angry, why? Because if he has that mindset whilst not being annoyed or angry, what would he be like if he was truely pissed off?

The rerecording suffers from the brooding, lets make everyone sound more sinister. I'll be sticking with the originals, no money for you, Konami.

[Wrathborne]

Actually from what I've heard 'The Room' was never intended to be a Silent Hill Game. It was made into one about halfway or so through its development.

[Dracarys]

Heh, I was waiting for your fantagonism. It's common knowledge around here that you never liked SH2 so I was fully expecting this.

Stop posting like you know me. You're nobody to me so don't pretend otherwise.


I will buy these and enjoy them.



Yep, I'll re-buy and enjoy games I never liked, somehow. Makes sense.


^ Kylie never liked SH2? o_o

No, I enjoyed SH2 which is why I will will be rebuying this collection. I am sure GHM is the sort of person who will read a bit of criticism (which I have given SH2 I admit, because it isn't a perfect game by far) and instantly jumps to the conclusion that criticism = absolute hate or extreme dislike for something.

[GuardhouseMusic]

Well, then damn, I judged those assessments wrong. Nonetheless, it was meant to be a lighthearted comment in the first place.

[Darkmoon]

Question - other than the voices (which you may or may not like) has there been any actual changes yet? The FMV looks identical to the old version. If it's just a case of being able to play it more easily on the PS360 and different voices...

[Smiley]

Voices aside, the addition of those ever-so-needed trophies and achievements will also be made. -.-

I can imagine long time fans finding this a problem if newcomers come into the series and that tension breaks away because a pop up comes on where they earned an achievement for doing something that's already required for them in the game.

I can tell you that looking at Code Veronica's list I had a pretty bad face palm over what to expect for that game.

[Wrathborne]

Well as much as I like Mary's Elizabeth McGlynns voice..it just isn't right for Mary/Maria.

Anyone else starting to hate Tom Huelett?

[Smiley]

I kind of pity him. The man is being crucified for destroying the series with each iteration when deep down he wants to keep bringing life into it. I enjoyed some of the latter titles after SH4, and I'm still keeping optimistic about Downfall. Still, when it comes to the HD collection they're going about it all wrong.

[Canas Renvall]

Question - other than the voices (which you may or may not like) has there been any actual changes yet? The FMV looks identical to the old version. If it's just a case of being able to play it more easily on the PS360 and different voices...
None that can be seen, but it has been said that the music is getting replaced too.

[Darkmoon]

I want to believe not even Konami can be that dumb. They'd have trouble giving the game away to fans after this - it has one of the greatest soundtracks ever created, and people will shiv them if it isn't intact.

[Canas Renvall]

^ It's been rumored by lots of people though, including some official sources IIRC. But yeah, if they do that... they don't even know the shitstorm they will unleash on the world. :lol:

[Dracarys]

What if the new soundtrack is better? Or Perhaps different by equally as good?

There is quite a double standard I noticed, look at the RE4 HD comments and you have people saying "It is the exact same game in HD, what a lazy effort, don't waste your money, don't support this"

Then you get the SH Collection not only improving visuals but redoing VA and soundtrack and people are saying "Why are they changing it, don't support this!!!!"

[Darkmoon]

Well, I don't like either. But then, I don't like HD remixes anyway - they never have anything I want, such as new story. In the case of RE4/CODE: Veronica, I'm not buying it because they're not changing anything I care about. In the case of Silent Hill 2 (and maybe 3) I won't buy it because they're changing things I do like, and so far at least, in my opinion, for the worse.

In this case, I'll be shocked if they change the music and it's as good. I think I'd have a heart attack if it's better. But it is possible. And I'd gladly buy that OST.

However, it's odd to note that so far they haven't mentioned upgrading the graphics, nor shown any upgrades so far. At least, not that I've seen. I'm sure they will - it's pretty much the point of these things, along with being able to play them on this Gen machines and trophy support - but then again, maybe all there pennies are going on the new soundtrack. I can't imagine these things have much in way of a budget.

[Canas Renvall]

Improving visuals? It looks like the PC version, so eff that noise.

I don't like either one either, so double standards don't really apply. :P

[Smiley]

What if the new soundtrack is better? Or Perhaps different by equally as good?

There is quite a double standard I noticed, look at the RE4 HD comments and you have people saying "It is the exact same game in HD, what a lazy effort, don't waste your money, don't support this"

Then you get the SH Collection not only improving visuals but redoing VA and soundtrack and people are saying "Why are they changing it, don't support this!!!!"

I don't know why there would be a double standard there. For the most part I've seen people take the RE4/CVX HD quite well in comparison to the SH HD Collection. The only complaints I share with on the matter are that as of now there isn't any disc release coming to the NA releases. That's why I'm holding off on getting those.

I would hate it if Capcom announced something along the lines of replacing Code Veronica's soundtrack or having DC Douglas voice over Richard Waugh in the HD release of CVX. That kind of shit would get to me much like the Star Wars Special Edition has.

I think their trophy selection is unnecessary for these HD ports (funny how MGS4 didn't need any yet the HD ports of classic games had to have them), but I'll get over it.

[Wrathborne]

What if the new soundtrack is better? Or Perhaps different by equally as good?

There is quite a double standard I noticed, look at the RE4 HD comments and you have people saying "It is the exact same game in HD, what a lazy effort, don't waste your money, don't support this"

Then you get the SH Collection not only improving visuals but redoing VA and soundtrack and people are saying "Why are they changing it, don't support this!!!!"

The problem with the SH HD remake isn't that they're adding to it, but taking away from it.

I really don't think that the new soundtrack will be better or on Par with the original. Yamaoka was the one who created the original iconic and highly influential tunes that the series is famous for, Not only that he was working with the original development team when he was doing this as well.

That not only gave him the insight he needed but a stronger understanding of the game itself.

I have no doubt that the new soundtrack wont be bad, but it wont be up with the original.

By getting new VA's and a new composer they're taking away a lot of the soul of the original game.

The reason everyone is so upset at this and you arent, it's because your opinion is in the minority on this discussion. That's not a bad thing, your opinion is justified as is the opinions of everyone else who disagrees with you.

But as the saying goes, 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'.
The original voice acting wasn't epic, but it wasn't really bad either, should be left alone.

The music on the other hand shouldn't be touched at all, it was and is perfect. If they wanted to add a few new tunes made by someone else that's cool, but if they're just going to redo everything their own way thats a real insult to Yamoaka and the fans.

[aris13]

By getting new VA's and a new composer they're taking away a lot of the soul of the original game.

The new composer is working ONLY on Downpour right? RIGHT?

[Smiley]

Downpour and Book of Memories.

[riderkid]

just found out the price of this game will be 49.99 and will be out in december (source Gamestop)

No offense to konami but you can now kiss it. Not only are you taking away more of the game now your making it 50 bucks? you take all we love from these games(voice acting, music) then you price it to the point of only being 10 dollars short of a new release?

Why?

The splinter cell HD set is only gonna be 40 at release and thats 3 games! sly coopers HD collection is only 30 and it was 40 at launch! even prince of persia is only 40 bucks and that once again had 3 games! I understand your charging 50 for the MGS collection but did not include a copy of the GC port of the first MGS? why?

so for 2 games you charge us 50 dollars when i can go to amazon and buy both games for under 40 dollars used on my PS2? not to mention i can just download the PC versions if i want better resolution! I know we have a ban on piracy but if they do not allow us to switch i swear to god I'm pirating the PC versions!

[Smiley]

With MGS HD it makes sense. You're getting the complete versions of MGS2 and 3 (which include the old-school Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake) not to mention Peace Walker on home consoles.

With the Silent Hill collection you're at least getting the complete version ofSilent Hill 2, however the Maria minigame and new voice performances do not warrant the extra ten dollars IMO as the MGS content excels way more in that variety.

Also RE4 and Code Veronica have their complete versions and are about $40 in total.

[riderkid]

With MGS HD it makes sense. You're getting the complete versions of MGS2 and 3 (which include the old-school Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake) not to mention Peace Walker on home consoles.

With the Silent Hill collection you're at least getting the complete version of Silent Hill 2, however the Maria minigame and new voice performances do not warrant the extra ten dollars IMO as the MGS content excels way more in that variety.

Also RE4 and Code Veronica have their complete versions and are about $40 in total.

my only complaint with MGS was the exclusion of MGS1, thats my only complaint as i have tried both games and enjoyed them. i just wished that MGS1 was in the package. I think honestly that silent hill will not be worth it. if they add a classic option then yes i will try it but until they admit there wrong im sorry, i'll rent downpour and stick with SWtor.

also they announced the prices for the re HD games?

[Dracarys]

also they announced the prices for the re HD games?

1600 MS points / £16. Each.

[MeanBob]

In case you guys didn't see, the team over at RelyOnHorror reported an interview from TheGamingLiberty with Troy Baker, the new voice actor for James Sunderland. He shed a bit of light about Guy Cihi getting contacted and how Konami really wanted him to be back on board to voice James again.


Apparently, Guy was offered the role in the HD Collection, but ultimately turned it down due to his demand for residuals that did not exist.

“You never bash your employers. You never bash the people who gave you a huge leg up no matter what they’ve done or what you feel that they’ve done. But the fact that he’s talking about residuals being in videogames shows you just how out of the loop he is because residuals don’t happen. They don’t exist.” said Baker.

I don't think any of us are so sure about these "non-existent" residuals, but...

The rest of article can be seen here:
http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/troy-baker-explains-why-james-sunderland-was-recast/
http://thegamingliberty.com/index.php/2011/08/23/exclusive-interview-troy-baker-the-new-james-sunderland/

[Smiley]

Sounds very fishy. Troy speaks on behalf of his experience in the voice industry yet despite his advice he does seem to be shift the blame to Guy Cihi even though James is not eh only character being replaced. If it was just James then this would make sense to me as would Douglas from SH3 given his VA's death. But no, we clearly hear the other SH2 character having replacements as well including Mary Elizabeth casting herself as the pivotal female lead in SH2.

Sorry to sound like a cranky git, but I do believe there's more to it than what Troy is letting on.

[Dracarys]

Sounds very fishy. Troy speaks on behalf of his experience in the voice industry yet despite his advice he does seem to be shift the blame to Guy Cihi even though James is not eh only character being replaced. If it was just James then this would make sense to me as would Douglas from SH3 given his VA's death. But no, we clearly hear the other SH2 character having replacements as well including Mary Elizabeth casting herself as the pivotal female lead in SH2.

Sorry to sound like a cranky git, but I do believe there's more to it than what Troy is letting on.

He also says they decided to give everyone new VAs to make it feel newer. If they needed replace a VA from each game anyway why not?

[Smiley]

Did they need to though? :rollseyes

[riderkid]

...

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...


(source:The Magicbox) Konami explained that the reason Silent Hill 4 was excluded from the Silent Hill HD Collection for PS3 and Xbox 360, was because of fans reactions, Konami just wanted to include the most popular parts of the series in the collection.

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...I'm sorry, I need to go scream now...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smiley]

Update: Guy Cihi has made the following statement on his Facebook page (thanks to alchemillahospital.net):

http://alchemillahospital.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/guy1.jpg
http://alchemillahospital.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/guy2.jpg

[riderkid]

Update: Guy Cihi has made the following statement on his Facebook page:

“The problem with Konami is that there were never any agreements for reuses of my performance. In fact… there aren’t any written agreements at all. It was an oversight on Konami’s part. Once Sony picked up the theatrical rights for the SH2 title, I guess Konami figured it would spark interest for a yet another re-release. So after many years of no contact, Konami asks me to sign a back-dated release. I said that I was open to discussing reuses of my performance. I never heard back from them. Instead of talking to me, Konami decided to create new voice tracks.”

...ever sicne reading the above statement and the reason of no SH4 in the colelction is due to fan reactions (irony?) i have had to start taking blood pressure pills like fucking candy!

[Beanovsky Durst]

(source:The Magicbox) Konami explained that the reason Silent Hill 4 was excluded from the Silent Hill HD Collection for PS3 and Xbox 360, was because of fans reactions, Konami just wanted to include the most popular parts of the series in the collection.

What a bunch of bullshit. So SH4 not in the collection is because fans don't like it, but its TOTALLY COOL to change the VA and the music for both SH2 & SH3 which were fine as they were? The Room is a great game, at least for me.

[riderkid]

What a bunch of bullshit. So SH4 not in the collection is because fans don't like it, but its TOTALLY COOL to change the VA and the music for both SH2 & SH3 which were fine as they were? The Room is a great game, at least for me.

to add on to my statement from earlier to konami

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHYf-PqmCyY

[Darkmoon]

So, how hard do you think Konami needs slapping, as a collective whole, before they realize how dumb it is not to release a game because they had negative fan criticism while modifying an existing game in such a way as to create far, far more negative fan criticism?

I also kinda believe Guy more than the new voice actor, for some reason, although obviously there's no way to be sure. It makes a lot more sense for Konami to decide to change the voice actors in light of not being able to use one because of legal shenanigans than it does for them to have decided to completely re-do the voice track (which costs money) and the voice actor demanding something he knows he can't have. At least, it makes more sense to me.

[Smiley]

For anyone who followed Troy Baker's interview he said he played live with Akira Yamaoka before. Here's the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgUmPIkuguw) if anyone's interested. They play SH2's Theme of Laura and Broken Dreams from Shadows of the Damned. Mary Elizabeth McGlynn is also in the video.

[Canas Renvall]

^ I thought that was him in the Shadows of the Damned credits at the end... Love that duet~

[riderkid]

So, how hard do you think Konami needs slapping, as a collective whole, before they realize how dumb it is not to release a game because they had negative fan criticism while modifying an existing game in such a way as to create far, far more negative fan criticism?

I also kinda believe Guy more than the new voice actor, for some reason, although obviously there's no way to be sure. It makes a lot more sense for Konami to decide to change the voice actors in light of not being able to use one because of legal shenanigans than it does for them to have decided to completely re-do the voice track (which costs money) and the voice actor demanding something he knows he can't have. At least, it makes more sense to me.

personally they need an attack from mr sodomy donkey...

[Darkmoon]

It's Ferdinand, the Mechanical Raping Bull. He is mighty.

[Smiley]

Here's some more quotes from Guy.

(On the subject of Troy Baker)

"LOL, but I think Troy's probably an okay guy. I'm going to cut him slack because it's more than likely that he's just repeating junk info he got from somebody at Konami - somebody who doesn't know the facts either and certainly has never talked to me about it."

"I agree with some of what Troy says. Let's all try to remember, he's in a tough position."

(On the subject of asking for more than the residuals)

"I never demanded more money from Konami. That's speculation."

(On the subject of having to recast all the actors)

"It's a real shame. There is no reason the HD release doesn't have the original cast other than Konami's desire to stir up controversy to spur sales."

[Wrathborne]

personally they need an attack from mr sodomy donkey...

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID29730/images/Paul_WS_Anderson.jpg

Did someone say Donkey?

[DarkMemories]

To be frank, as much as I'm an anti-corporation kind of guy, I'm inclined to support Konami on this one. No deal=no residuals, Guy. Simple as that.

[Rombie]

^ And thats all he originally said. The issue is that there isn't a collective deal covering them properly and as far as he's concerned reissues of games should pay the staff and voice actors involved a royality payment. It didn't happen, so he made comment about it.

It happens in music and movies and tv shows, so why should videogames be considered any different? Especially these days when the things try to blend in more and more as interactive movies/shows. I understand that Konami doesn't owe anyone anything, but it brings to light the fact that this practise is going to happen more and more as these HD ports will continue.

[Smiley]

So the latest Kojima Productions report acknowledges the aspect ratio controversy with the cutscenes in the game. They offer open comments and a reply selection to let the fans tell them what they want whether they support the "super widescreen" format or the intended 16:9 ratio. The sheer fact that fan input is being welcomed for a game they said is not too late to change has made me very happy to look forward to that set regardless which format they end up with. As said earlier I agree with the guy who wanted MGS1 in that set, but Peace Walker will do.

Silent Hill HD on the other hand is really hard to like. I do not approve with the new voice performances, but that makes up one slice of the silent Hill pie (albeit an important one). I'd be happier if I knew these games were part of a complete set but we don't even get remastered version or Silent Hill 1 or Silent Hill 4. I refuse to pay anything above $40 in that regard.

[riderkid]

someone needs to get their fucking story straight!

http://the-magicbox.com/1108/game110824e.shtml

WHAT IS IT KONAMI? IS IT 2 OR 3 GAMES? DO WE GET THE GOOD VOICE ACTING OR DO WE GET TO BURN YOUR BUILDING DOWN? WITH LEMONS? DO I GET TO TURN MY CAPS OFF IF YOU APOLOGIZE?

[Summoner]

someone needs to get their fucking story straight!

http://the-magicbox.com/1108/game110824e.shtml

WHAT IS IT KONAMI? IS IT 2 OR 3 GAMES? DO WE GET THE GOOD VOICE ACTING OR DO WE GET TO BURN YOUR BUILDING DOWN? WITH LEMONS? DO I GET TO TURN MY CAPS OFF IF YOU APOLOGIZE?

I think whoever wrote that post got it wrong. They haven't got any screenshots up for the first game, so I'm guessing it's just a typo.

[Darkmoon]

Yeah, can't blame Konami for a website botching there report. For most things, like world hunger, sure, but not for this.

[Canas Renvall]

I look at those pictures.

I look at my PC versions.

I laugh.

[riderkid]

I look at those pictures.

I look at my PC versions.

I laugh.

i cry because i cna get the PC version from friends, add a no cd patch then laugh at those who wasted 50 on this crap

[Beanovsky Durst]

i cry because i cna get the PC version from friends, add a no cd patch then laugh at those who wasted 50 on this crap

Or you can laugh more if you buy the HD collection when it's dead cheap, used. That's what I'll do, while I wait I'll play it on my PC at the highest settings too ^_^

[riderkid]

Or you can laugh more if you buy the HD collection when it's dead cheap, used. That's what I'll do, while I wait I'll play it on my PC at the highest settings too ^_^

..rrrather just do the friendship piracy

[Darkmoon]

..rrrather just do the friendship piracy

Fair enough. But I have warned you about piracy at least once before (http://the-horror.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5034&page=7) so this really shouldn't come as a shock.

See you in two weeks.

[Summoner]

I'd rather just buy them, tbh. The PC versions, not the HD collection. New voices make me cry. And the lack of the original...bah.

[Rombie]

So the latest Kojima Productions report acknowledges the aspect ratio controversy with the cutscenes in the game. They offer open comments and a reply selection to let the fans tell them what they want whether they support the "super widescreen" format or the intended 16:9 ratio. The sheer fact that fan input is being welcomed for a game they said is not too late to change has made me very happy to look forward to that set regardless which format they end up with. As said earlier I agree with the guy who wanted MGS1 in that set, but Peace Walker will do.

Outside of these I think there is going to be some changes in that set too, MGS2 mostly.

Have they made any mention of the opening video and the removed Arsenal Gear cutscene being altered? It's just that Kojima refuses to use the Metal Gear Solid music after the whole Georgy Sviridov debacle. And it's last proper apperance was the HGW version in that opening.

Additionally 10 years ago they cut the Arsenal Gear into New York scene due to 9/11 but then a few years later the model for the city was included in the Document of MGS2, meaning to me that they may consider including it. If they confirmed that that HD edition would move up to a must buy for me personally.

The only other edits I can think of might be to correct/remove Olga's child given sex because the translation headache it caused in regards to MGS4.

In any case an aspect ratio option and changes to the opening video are minor compared to the changes happening to SH2 (and maybe SH3).

[Dracarys]

The MGS theme is being replaced?

[Smiley]

Yes the MGS theme was plagiarized and because of that they excluded it from Portable Ops onward as far as the MGS games go, and even locked the music from the disc in Smash Bros. Brawl.

Having said that I do believe a deal was made at some point because when you go through Castlevania: Lords of Shadow there's a MGS reference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlHGCpstzc) that pops up with the theme.

[Rombie]

Interesting easter egg though, never had seen it. Mind you I never got around to playing that. The part of the song used in that easter egg is probably the one bit from the song least copied from the original but the point it got used is still a better sign that maybe MGS2 will go unchanged.

Kylie - If you haven't heard it before, then you'll be very surprised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JL4JXEv-RY

[Dracarys]

I've heard the music before, I just thought Konami didn't use it in newer games to be careful. It never occured to me they might remove it from the HD collection. MGS3 would never be the same.

[Rombie]

MGS3 only uses phrases of it, and it has it's own themes thankfully (a creative decision to seperate the theme from MGS as Solid Snake and the ones in MGS3 as Big Boss/The Boss) so I doubt that is as much of an issue because it's fairly well disguised. It wasn't even used in any of the trailers.

[Smiley]

That's not entirely true. There was one I recall that came out having the theme at the end. It was even included in one of MPO's teasers as well. The copyright issue was never aware until during the development of MPO. By that point it was never used again in any promotional material or the games themselves afterward.

We'll just have to wait and see, but for some reason I doubt they'll remove it from the HD versions. KP's latest report claimed that they were not remaking any aspect of the game but trying to preserve it. Which begs the question if preserving includes changing the aspect ratio of the cutscenes? -.-

[aris13]

Kylie - If you haven't heard it before, then you'll be very surprised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JL4JXEv-RY

I wasn't ready for this.

[Smiley]

Cover Art is released.

http://www.relyonhorror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/81Ya7fAREJL._AA1500_.jpg

Also Rely on Horror covered an audio interview with Troy Baker. (http://www.relyonhorror.com/in-depth/podcast-interview-a-chat-with-troy-baker/)

[aris13]

The 2 icons are ruining the cover.

[Dracarys]

Especially using the crappy US boxarts.

[Smiley]

They could have put Silent Hill 2 and 3 in the font off to the side, but the icons are for stupid people you see. Stupid people who need pictures to jog their memory and go "Oh yeah, those games. I remember those." :D

[BBboy20]

*ignoring the two boxes* Thou art holy shit... :o

[Smiley]

Well they've already teased us with the Silent Hill 2 tidbits. Question is when will we start learning more about Silent Hill 3. Will we even get a teaser for the new voices in that game? Or do you think the reception to the recast of 2 caused them to hold back until launch? 3's my favorite game in the series so they better not do something ridiculous to the voices.

Since Mary Elizabeth McGlynn seems to be choosing actors she's worked with I had this terrible nightmare a while ago where I heard Stephanie Sheh voicing Heather. That was enough to make me wake up in fear all drenched in sweat.

[Smiley]

**I do not wish to double post, but this deserves its own personal spot in the thread. Here's Guy Cihi's open statement to Konami regarding the HD Collection.**



Open letter to Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.
by Guy Cihi on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 8:32pm

[There has been a great deal of discussion and speculation about the decision to recast the voice acting for the forthcoming Silent Hill 2 re-release. Certain comments and accusations have been made and the situation has become a mess. I issue this statement with hope that it will help set things right.]


To Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.


Amazing as it may seem, neither I nor to my knowledge any of the other voice actors involved in the creation of Silent Hill 2 received written agreements for our work. All I have is a verbal agreement based on the various negotiations that took place between me and Konami’s representatives. I was told that I would receive a written contract but I never did. I invite anyone claiming the existence of a contract to produce a copy of it. My verbal agreements with Konami management covered the release of SH2 on the PlayStation 2 consoles. No other console releases were discussed between us, and none was agreed to.


Californian law which, under the circumstances, governs the agreement between Konami and me provides that voice actors in videogames retain all rights for reproductions and re-uses of their vocal recordings and motion-capture work unless the artist specifically conveys those rights to a second party. The implications ought to be clear enough regarding the releases and reuses of my performances on consoles other than PlayStation 2. Obviously Konami’s legal department agreed with the strength of my position or they would not have supported the significant expense undertaken to rerecord voices in advance of the HD collection re-release. It would have been much easier if someone responsible at Konami had simply talked to me and sought to resolve this amicably.


Recently some things have been said by people acting as if they are part of the Konami organization, for example, that an attempt was made to reach out to me to help get things straightened out. This isn’t true. After the production work wrapped, only one person connected to Konami has ever attempted contact me and that was Michael Ranja, Director of Licensing at Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc. in California. On October 6, 2010 Mr. Ranja sent me the following message: “Per the voice acting done for the videogame Silent Hill 2 (your role as James Sunderland), I understand that in the past it was agreed that Konami would purchase and own all rights to the voice acting. As we don’t have paperwork for this, would it be possible for you to fill out the attachment and email or fax back to me?” His second email, and the last time I have ever heard from Konami, was on October 22, 2010 when Mr. Ranja replied to my email saying that he would do his best to contact me again shortly regarding a settlement.


Let me be clear about something: my problem with Konami has never been about money. It’s always been about the thoughtless way that those involved in the production have been treated. The reuse of my material without asking me and without having a written agreement that provides for it is one example. Another example is how my contributions to the game, and my face, were purposefully erased from the ‘making of’ video. Why was that done? These are some of the issues I asked Konami to settle with me on before making any new agreements. To this day Konami has never offered any explanation.


Like everyone else, I feel it is a real shame we have come to this point. The original cast, writers, and directors of Silent Hill 2 all felt we were making something great, but I don’t think any of us realized just how successful and respected it would become. I am eternally grateful to have been selected by Team Silent to portray James Sunderland. I am equally grateful to the dedicated SH2 fans who enlightened me to fact that SH2 is much more than just an intellectual property to be bought, sold and repackaged.


After thinking it through carefully I have come to realize that I am unwilling to be part of any legal barrier or excuse which prevents a new generation from experiencing Silent Hill 2 the way the original Team Silent created it. The only way to do this appears to be for me to relinquish all my rights to Konami and so I hereby completely waive all rights to my motion capture and vocal performances in the Silent Hill 2 production without demand for additional consideration. Have your lawyer send me the proper documents required so that we can put this fiasco behind us.


I call on Konami to release the HD versions of SH2, and all subsequent re-releases, with the original vocal tracks intact. If you desire, I welcome you to include the new vocal tracks so that fans can choose which version they prefer.


Sincerely,

Guy Cihi

August 2011

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/74148_453721249258_693709258_5161507_5712051_a.jpg

[Beanovsky Durst]

**I do not wish to double post, but this deserves its own personal spot in the thread. Here's Guy Cihi's open statement to Konami regarding the HD Collection.**



Open letter to Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.
by Guy Cihi on Sunday, August 28, 2011 at 8:32pm

[There has been a great deal of discussion and speculation about the decision to recast the voice acting for the forthcoming Silent Hill 2 re-release. Certain comments and accusations have been made and the situation has become a mess. I issue this statement with hope that it will help set things right.]


To Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc.


Amazing as it may seem, neither I nor to my knowledge any of the other voice actors involved in the creation of Silent Hill 2 received written agreements for our work. All I have is a verbal agreement based on the various negotiations that took place between me and Konami’s representatives. I was told that I would receive a written contract but I never did. I invite anyone claiming the existence of a contract to produce a copy of it. My verbal agreements with Konami management covered the release of SH2 on the PlayStation 2 consoles. No other console releases were discussed between us, and none was agreed to.


Californian law which, under the circumstances, governs the agreement between Konami and me provides that voice actors in videogames retain all rights for reproductions and re-uses of their vocal recordings and motion-capture work unless the artist specifically conveys those rights to a second party. The implications ought to be clear enough regarding the releases and reuses of my performances on consoles other than PlayStation 2. Obviously Konami’s legal department agreed with the strength of my position or they would not have supported the significant expense undertaken to rerecord voices in advance of the HD collection re-release. It would have been much easier if someone responsible at Konami had simply talked to me and sought to resolve this amicably.


Recently some things have been said by people acting as if they are part of the Konami organization, for example, that an attempt was made to reach out to me to help get things straightened out. This isn’t true. After the production work wrapped, only one person connected to Konami has ever attempted contact me and that was Michael Ranja, Director of Licensing at Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc. in California. On October 6, 2010 Mr. Ranja sent me the following message: “Per the voice acting done for the videogame Silent Hill 2 (your role as James Sunderland), I understand that in the past it was agreed that Konami would purchase and own all rights to the voice acting. As we don’t have paperwork for this, would it be possible for you to fill out the attachment and email or fax back to me?” His second email, and the last time I have ever heard from Konami, was on October 22, 2010 when Mr. Ranja replied to my email saying that he would do his best to contact me again shortly regarding a settlement.


Let me be clear about something: my problem with Konami has never been about money. It’s always been about the thoughtless way that those involved in the production have been treated. The reuse of my material without asking me and without having a written agreement that provides for it is one example. Another example is how my contributions to the game, and my face, were purposefully erased from the ‘making of’ video. Why was that done? These are some of the issues I asked Konami to settle with me on before making any new agreements. To this day Konami has never offered any explanation.


Like everyone else, I feel it is a real shame we have come to this point. The original cast, writers, and directors of Silent Hill 2 all felt we were making something great, but I don’t think any of us realized just how successful and respected it would become. I am eternally grateful to have been selected by Team Silent to portray James Sunderland. I am equally grateful to the dedicated SH2 fans who enlightened me to fact that SH2 is much more than just an intellectual property to be bought, sold and repackaged.


After thinking it through carefully I have come to realize that I am unwilling to be part of any legal barrier or excuse which prevents a new generation from experiencing Silent Hill 2 the way the original Team Silent created it. The only way to do this appears to be for me to relinquish all my rights to Konami and so I hereby completely waive all rights to my motion capture and vocal performances in the Silent Hill 2 production without demand for additional consideration. Have your lawyer send me the proper documents required so that we can put this fiasco behind us.


I call on Konami to release the HD versions of SH2, and all subsequent re-releases, with the original vocal tracks intact. If you desire, I welcome you to include the new vocal tracks so that fans can choose which version they prefer.


Sincerely,

Guy Cihi

August 2011

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/74148_453721249258_693709258_5161507_5712051_a.jpg

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do things right FOR THE FANBASE. My admiration for Mr. Cihi. Now let's see how Konami plays on their court.

[Smiley]

Some pretty powerful words huh? Sadly as I've told Guy I do not see Konami responding to this.

Knowing how problematic things have been we can expect Konami to chalk Guy's response up as "too little; too late". We already heard Troy Baker and Mary Elizabeth McGlynn lay blame on Guy for the recast. Whether this is what the people at Konami told them or not is anyone's guess.

Frankly I don't buy it, and the simple fact is because they recast the voices for Silent Hill 2 AND Silent Hill 3. Why would they do that if their conflict was over one voice actor? The only reason I can gather is that someone in Konami did botch up here, and now all the people involved with 2 and 3 are in the same legal position as Guy. They have the right to sue over residuals for their performances being used outside Sony's playstation 2 if they so desired. But since Guy is the most outspoken about it they're placing fault with him. To me, this is wrong if that's the case.

Konami should own up to their mistakes and seek settlement instead of ignoring the issue. I would like to know what Heather Morris and the others think as well. Guy is willing to settle with no financial gain. The problem is if Konami owes to more than one person then Guy waiving his rights will still be meaningless because they would have to have consent from all the other talented artists as well. An impossible feat in some cases since the voice actor for Douglas in Silent Hill 3 passed away back in 2003. If there's any way around it I'm sure Konami would rather save themselves the effort and spend the money to replace each individual actor.

[Darkmoon]

Argh, I swear to my Dark Overlords, if Konami ignores this and keep trying to pour the blame on Guy Cihi for this bullshit I will punch them in the face. And probably not buy any of there games new again, if they annoy me much further. I can get all your shit second hand, Konami, just like I do with Capcom.

[ylj619]

It felt odd to hear the new VA. doesn't feel the same. guess i was too used to the original VA :/

[Beanovsky Durst]

Argh, I swear to my Dark Overlords, if Konami ignores this and keep trying to pour the blame on Guy Cihi for this bullshit I will punch them in the face. And probably not buy any of there games new again, if they annoy me much further. I can get all your shit second hand, Konami, just like I do with Capcom.

And this is how they will listen. Kicking them in the wallet, not the balls. :)

[Dracarys]

"Amazing as it may seem, neither I nor to my knowledge any of the other voice actors involved in the creation of Silent Hill 2 received written agreements for our work."

"I call on Konami to release the HD versions of SH2, and all subsequent re-releases, with the original vocal tracks intact."

"It’s always been about the thoughtless way that those involved in the production have been treated. The reuse of my material without asking me"


Assuming everything he says is true, I like how he just ignores the rights of the other VAs involved by calling for Konami to use the originals. Exactly what he complains about.

[Darkmoon]

Konami has been blaming him, and pretty much solely him, for this whole clusterfuck. Konami has never said the others are part of this whole legal mess, so now that he's willing to give away his rights to the stuff, Konami should be able to go ahead with the old voice track. According to what they've been saying, anyway. If they're telling the truth, Guy Cihi signing off will allow them to go ahead, regardless of the rest of the voice cast, since Konami has put the blame squarely on him.

...of course, if this situation actually did include the rest of the cast, as Guy mentioned, and Konami doesn't have the right to there voice stuff they still can't do it, but they can't blame him either. Oh no! They'll need a new scape goat to cover there legal blunder. Let's seem them blame it on Akira Yamaoko or something equally exciting.

[Dracarys]

When has Konami ever blamed him? I cannot recall them saying anything, his replacement VA blamed him though claiming he doesn't understand VA rights.

[Smiley]

"Amazing as it may seem, neither I nor to my knowledge any of the other voice actors involved in the creation of Silent Hill 2 received written agreements for our work."

"I call on Konami to release the HD versions of SH2, and all subsequent re-releases, with the original vocal tracks intact."

"It’s always been about the thoughtless way that those involved in the production have been treated. The reuse of my material without asking me"

Assuming everything he says is true, I like how he just ignores the rights of the other VAs involved by calling for Konami to use the originals. Exactly what he complains about.

The closest thing I could find on the matter is this comment.


"Donna continues to work with Konami and I believe she has already signed a release. Dave was in line with me and has not signed anything that I know of. I don't know how Monica reacted. She was the heart of the original voice perfomances IMHO, and so I hope she will agree and let it go if she hasn't already..."
Guy Cihi


When has Konami ever blamed him? I cannot recall them saying anything, his replacement VA blamed him though claiming he doesn't understand VA rights.

Troy and Mary Elizabeth are going off what they were told. I'm sure it's just someone at Konami.

And while I'm on here I was just reading this quote from Lisa Garland's voice actress in the original Silent Hill.

"The scoop is when I did Silent Hill I was only paid $500 flat rate. They stole my voice for SH3 and my agent threatened to sue and got me a couple grand and that’s it. There are no residuals for videogames -never have been and it’s a major bummer. Video game companies are out only for themselves and to make money. The first budget they cut is voiceover. I have been taken advantage of, knowingly, by many videogame companies, but I’d rather work for a small amount than not work at all."
Thessaly Lerner (Voice actor for Lisa Garland in the first Silent Hill)

[BBboy20]

Apparently he said that I'm his 800th "friend" on Facebook and that he won't forget that. :uhh:

[Smiley]

Wow Guy is really looking to sway the minds at Konami to reconsider adding the original voices back in. He's even asking which convention he should attend so he can set up a booth for Silent Hill fans. Someone already offered to make a petition which Guy supports, but wants fans to remain civil about the whole thing.

Here's some updated comments from Guy:

"Konami will need to hear from more than one thousand fans before they reconsider and do the right thing. It will cost them nothing to restore the original voices to future releases so fans can hear it both ways. Everybody wins, including Konami. Everyone needs to remain civil but be persistent. Fans have more power than they know."

"The decision maker is here in Tokyo. I'm trying to reach out to him..."

"Like I said, be civil and persistent. Nobody likes being backed into a corner. I'm trying to get to a win-win-win for everyone."

"If I were to attend only one convention and throw a party for SH2 fans, which con should it be?"

"No, I mean a real existing con, preferably one where Konami has a booth. I'll set up my own Forever Silent booth, and I will definitely throw a big private party for all the fans who show up."

"I looked at the E3 booth requirements and sponsor affiliates. I don't see anything but $$$ standing between me and a booth at the 2012 E3 show. I wrote to them for a price list."

"And it's close to Monica's house. She'll like that. (Shhh... it's a secret!)"

[Canas Renvall]

Guy is by far one of the coolest guys ever now. Seriously, he has so much of my respect for this. Thank you Guy. :D

[Smiley]

We get to hear Monica's side of the story in this interview. (http://silenthaven.tumblr.com/post/9690325410/discussion-with-monica-taylor-horgan-voice-actor-for)

It's confirmed now. Guy was the outspoken one, but he certainly wasn't the only actor Konami had problems with.


Silent Haven: I want to ask you your thoughts on this whole Guy Cihi situation. Is he alone in this whole not wanting to sign over mocap and voice rights or were you and David and Donna not willing to sign any documents either? Also what is this business about no contracts?

Monica Taylor Horgan: Well… yes they contacted me within the last year asking for a waiver release for any and all future releases of the game. No there were no contracts at the time. I don’t think anyone realized what was going to come of the game…the genre was relatively new (horror) and Japan does things differently than the US with on camera and voice talent. Konami was *very* shady about the work we did. It was ONLY to be released in the US and ONLY for one game… it has gone on to be released in a dozen countries, and several re-release versions including one that contains a “making of” which actually contains our likenesses… This is a BIG no-no… We have little or no recourse since the game was created in Japan…out of jurisdiction here…which is why they wanted releases from us—because the new HD version is from Konami USA. MUCH stricter laws protecting talent of course here. So they just recast it…I don’t think they realized what a hailstorm they were creating. It’s a shame really—because it’s the fans who miss out most. I never did sign the waiver and I think it’s great that Guy is standing up and shouting. I hope he (and fans) are successful protecting the original at least. And if Konami can clean up their act in the process and treat those who make them their fortunes better, then it’s a great thing.

[Beanovsky Durst]

Greedy Konami fucks. The profit they will make if they do keep the original voiceovers or not it's enough to pay these guys what they deserve.

[rehunk88]

ok i heard the new voices and .... okay they have now ruined silent hill 2....

[REmaster]

Wow.

That letter was one of the most touching things I have ever read. Someone who is that intimate with their fans and the series they worked on is a class-A hero in my book.

[Dracarys]

Seems that neither side is really doing wrong, stuff is done differently in japan yet the VA wanting to be treated like it was done in the US. Don't work in japan if don't like it, or else deal with it?

[Smiley]

To those wondering the MGS theme remains untouched for MGS2 and 3 (http://thesnakesoup.org/?section=news&t=5483).

[Rombie]

^ Glad to hear. Now if they can put the cutscene back into MGS2 that was removed, I'll be over the moon.

Konami's in a compromised position on this VA thing. SH2 was the best seller in the series, and the franchise has dwindled in sales since. They will probably end up delaying it to try and work on the best result because I think the SH2 fanbase is too large and too vocal for Konami to be ignoring this.

[aris13]

^ Glad to hear. Now if they can put the cutscene back into MGS2 that was removed, I'll be over the moon.

You mean the one where Arsenal Gear invades Manhattan?

[Smiley]

Not exactly the best time to bring that up considering what day today is..... Hence the reason why it was removed. ;>_>

[Rombie]

^ Silly point. If that was not an issue then I don't understand why people are posting up videos on YouTube of montages of the Twin Towers in movies, some of which even released in 2002 afterwards (because they had been shot prior to Sept 2001). Just as one example. To not reflect the fact they did exist at some stage now is silly, hell even the memorial today opened the reflecting pools in the spaces where the two towers once sat.

I'm not going to open a further can of worms in regards to the impact, loss of life, etc. but I'd much like to see the game as it was originally intended because as it stands the horrible jump in cutscenes in the game sticks out like a sore thumb and can easily be further understood.

[Smiley]

There were a lot of things altered before its final release. The scene itself wasn't even finished and only traces of it could be located in the disc of the original MGS2 copy. If we had the games as Kojima originally made them then there would be more members of Dead Cell, Vamp would be a woman, The Boss would have her tit hang out during the final boss fight and.... Don't give me that look. We really don't need these things added to the HD version.

[Rombie]

^ Again, you're being silly. The remainder of what you mentioned (with the exception of your Boss comment, obviously dropped idea from MGS3) was in the original script but dropped far earlier in production. The AG scene was completed and removed because the game was originally due for first master just 2 days after the attacks.* The reason it's unfinished on the disc is purely that is all that they left in.

Konami/Kojima put out a press release a week later explaining that due to content they would possibly have to delay the release somewhat for changes. Thats why the scene jumps, it was supposed to be in there. The rest of your examples were ideas dropped well earlier into production, not like this scene.

*
Word came back from Konami US that another week would be added to the development timetable–the first submission of Metal Gear Solid 2 was now scheduled for Friday, September 14, 2001. While the extra week in development gave the team some breathing room, there was no question that the first few weeks of September would involve countless hours of testing and tweaking. Kojima would have to put his entire life on hold–there would be no more movies with Muraoka and certainly no karaoke for the time being. As Earth, Wind & Fire put it, there would be no dancing in September…at least not yet.

As September 14 approached, the team worked tirelessly to complete the game. “Things were really coming together, and barring any unforeseen circumstances, we thought we were finally right on schedule,” says Matsuhana. Unfortunately, the most unthinkable of unforeseen events would strike the United States on September 11. When news reached Japan of the terror attack, it was already September 12–only two days before the first submission was due.

This is in Geoff Keighley's Final Hours of MGS2 coverage, transcribed here - http://www.kojimaproductions.net/features/documents/the-final-hours-of-metal-gear-solid-2/

[Smiley]

I'm being silly, but I'm going to save you the trouble of hoping it could be in there and tell you it won't be added in.

[Rombie]

I'm still not swayed by this point. The overview map, complete with the towers, is visible in the Document of MGS2 as a explorable map. If they feel okay with this, and did so several years ago, there is still a high chance.

[Smiley]

There isn't. You have to beLIEve me.

[Rombie]

I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm, with the tuning fork, does a raw blink off hari kari rock. I need scissors! 61!

[Smiley]

Well unlike the people behind the Silent Hill HD collection it looks like Kojima Productions are listening to their fans. Earlier I was among the people complaining about the aspect ratio being promoted for the MGS HD collection. Now it seems those complaints have been answered. The latest trailer at TGS shows that the aspect ratio is optional. You have both the closest thing to 16:9 and the "super widescreen" they were promoting. While not noted in the trailer Peace Walker will be part of that collection outside Japan as opposed to being sold separately. So if anyone wants to co-op with me or Enetirnel then you should pick up the PS3 version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKVHwhogA0s&feature=share

[Rombie]

Also obvious some of the theme was used in that, and it says the games run in 60fps, which is better than most HD editions being released (still locked at 30). Kojima always seems to be able to get a lot out of his teams.

[Smiley]

Well a lot of it goes to Bluepoint who are developing the MGS HD Collection. They also handled the God of War HD Collection as well.

And yes this will be the first time MGS3 runs in 60fps and it looks glorious.

Also check out the Peace Walker HD video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6KIPknXcds

[Rombie]

I was more meaning, and this applies also to Santa Monica's work in GOW 1 and 2, that the team originally worked so hard on the assets of the game that HD versions were able to be made that improved such details in an HD. If you don't have that basis there then the HD edition looks like ass (see the PoP trilogy HD as one great example).

Mind you these days if your HD edition is barebones and nothing more than a visual update people start getting pissy and want something like that Halo Anniversary title. I don't know how we can go from acclaimed GOW Collection to this moaning about getting an HD visual upgraded but otherwise 1:1 port in 2 years.

[Smiley]

All I want is a good game. If it looks appealing on my HD TV then I could care how bare bones it is. But the extra effort is always a plus.

When it comes to Silent Hill there's some people that believe the new voice performances are about 'quality'. As though Konami feels the previous actors weren't good enough. Frankly I find that insulting. Look at this Mary Elizabeth McGlynn video and read the response from the original voice of Mary/Maria in the comments section below. Tell me how you feel:

EDIT: The guy who recorded it did not anticipate the negative responses regarding what she says in the video and set it to private after contemplating whether he wanted to take it down or not. It's been re-uploaded below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XamaqGBj3OQ

[GuardhouseMusic]

Wow, the company's essentially enacted a smear campaign against Cihi, haven't they? Sad thing is, a lot of people are eating up this nonsense about him, calling him crazy and such. Now McGlynn's saying dismissive and insulting things about him, such as "he's not even an actor, never done anything before or after SH2" (disproven by Maria's original VA in the comment Smiley mentioned). She's acting like a fool.

"Mary and Marie." *facepalm*

[Smiley]

I especially didn't like her jab at Angela's voice. Pretty unprofessional. Donna Burke has voice acted in SH2 and SH3. She continues to work regularly in the business and isn't some non-actor from Malaysia.

In fact she even sings as well and can be heard in another HD game that will actually have her performance in tact. You might have heard of it. No big deal. It's a little something called Heavens Divide from METAL GEAR SOLID: PEACE WALKER.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGlSak7hG0U

[Gradon]

Oh wow, the irony of that. I looked up to Mary ElizaBeth McGlynn, but this is ridiculous and unprofessional of her. I can't believe all of that to be honest.

[Rombie]

All I want is a good game. If it looks appealing on my HD TV then I could care how bare bones it is. But the extra effort is always a plus.

When it comes to Silent Hill there's some people that believe the new voice performances are about 'quality'. As though Konami feels the previous actors weren't good enough. Frankly I find that insulting. Look at this Mary Elizabeth McGlynn video and read the response from the original voice of Mary/Maria in the comments section below. Tell me how you feel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl7rAQuf10E

Re: HD - Yeah, no I totally agree with you as well. I just saw a bunch of moaning, VG jornos in particular, that stuff like the MGS and RE4 releases are HD upgrades in the most simple of sense, but I think thats missing the point. Thats what most people do want, the same game in a higher res.

I read the comments on that video and it was enough without even watching McGlynn dig herself into a hole. I hope she wises up and writes or voices an apology somewhere, otherwise this may blow up into a full blown boycott of the release.

[Dracarys]

She was talking about the way Angela speaks and how it is hard to redo over the original VA, not the quality of the VA. There is a very clear difference.

[Smiley]

Then that's all she had to say. She didn't need to mock the way the character had sounded.

Then there was her comments about the actors in general. Being non actors and the like which Monica felt the need to respond to.

[Mr_Zombie]

Then that's all she had to say. She didn't need to mock the way the character had sounded.

But Angela did sound ridiculous in SH2. I have nothing against Donna Burke (I had no idea she also did Claudia's voice and she did great job with that), but Angela in SH2 sounds really bad. And they will have a hard time redoing her voice to match to the actual animations.

It's really amazing how both Cihi and Horgan just responds to the while situation like rational adults, while the new James' and Maria's voice actors mocks and insults them. Really immature.

[GuardhouseMusic]

But Angela did sound ridiculous in SH2. I have nothing against Donna Burke (I had no idea she also did Claudia's voice and she did great job with that), but Angela in SH2 sounds really bad. And they will have a hard time redoing her voice to match to the actual animations.

It's really amazing how both Cihi and Horgan just responds to the while situation like rational adults, while the new James' and Maria's voice actors mocks and insults them. Really immature.

Angela was emotionally drained, her voice basically reflected abuse and the resultant stress, thus her airy, deflated, almost drunk intonation. It's strange, but that's also kinda the point.

[Smiley]

Most of the characters have an otherworldly presence to them. You can't really argue that James is completely normal and sane if he's heading to town to look for his dead wife. Same applies to Angela although she's clearly a wreck. That knife scene gave me chills.

Mary Elizabeth made it sound like the whole thing was unnatural as though this was a bad thing. That non-actors were giving off awkward performances. Blaustein clearly knew what direction he wanted to take the characters in. Yet she says she wants to make it a little more natural. >_<;

How can she claim that she wants to retain the same context and respect for the game? For that matter why do the people working on the HD Collection in general?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Tomm Hulett says the HD version is the ideal way to play Silent Hill 2 and 3 then that's rubbish. The way Team Silent designed the games are the ideal way. Every decision going into this HD collection has been from a business standpoint. Some good (multiplatform instead of PS3 only) and some bad (Exclusion of Silent Hill 4). Removing the original performances is just one more thing to add to the list.

[Kei_M]

I respect Donna's work, don't get me wrong, but it's very...um... unique. I think what they're trying to do is create a cast that's reminiscent of the original cast, but still very much their own. Mary was over-exaggerating Angela's voice, but I think she was just trying to make a point on why they needed to adjust it a bit. She was just having a bit of fun.

I'm excited to have a new Angela, to be honest, I wasn't incredibly fond of it.

[Dracarys]

Mary Elizabeth made it sound like the whole thing was unnatural as though this was a bad thing. That non-actors were giving off awkward performances. Blaustein clearly knew what direction he wanted to take the characters in. Yet she says she wants to make it a little more natural. >_<;

How can she claim that she wants to retain the same context and respect for the game? For that matter why do the people working on the HD Collection in general?


Because there are plenty of people like me who believe the performances are not good by VA standards, only by video game VA standards, and VG VA standards are much better now than they were 10 years ago.

[Smiley]

Well that depends largely on who is handling it. The voices in the original RE are given a real backlash even though they are very talented individuals who have worked in many different areas as far as voice over is concerned. I would love to hear an audio book read by Barry's voice actor.

From what I understand the direction of the original RE was pure camp in general. They didn't write the dialogue. They just had to act with it.

And even when it comes to video game standards I could pick out plenty of games that had good voice acting. My favorite from the 90s being Metal Gear Solid.

Now that isn't to say there weren't bad ones out there. I've heard them myself. I even hear bad ones to this day. But when it comes to Silent Hill 2 I'm disappointed you feel that way about the Angela character.

[Mr. Spencer]

You can't replace Michael Ironside.

[Canas Renvall]

Who did Michael Ironside play in a Silent Hill game? I don't see it in his credits on Wikipedia...

[riderkid]

http://survivalhorroronline.com/2011/09/21/jeremy-blaustein-talks-about-the-silent-hill-hd-collection-voice-over-controversy/

anyone want to hear this guys opinion?

personally i dun care anymore. im about to just ask my friend instead of a gmae for christmas to get me a PS@ and silent hill 2 3 and 4. Might be cheaper in the long run!

[Gradon]

First he's moaning that Guy is being unreasonable with his face being blurred out, saying yada yada, I wasn't bothered I was pretty much cut out.
Well Guy isn't you, and he isn't forced to feel that it's OK his face was cut out of the making of.
Also he mentions there were contracts signed back then - All of the voice actors to date who have spoke up said there weren't any signed contracts, and if there were wouldn't there be residules for re-releases, or wouldn't that make it clear from the start Konami would fuck them over.
Everyones just bitching like children now, be assed with keeping up with it all.
I'm leant more towards Guy and Monicas side, but people can think and say what they want, it's all like a bloody playground for school kids.

[Rombie]

I'd expected Blaustein to say something, but wow, attacking Cihi was not what I expected.

I expected that he'd say replacing the original work was screwing with what he and the original team developed and directed. But he didn't. Considering how outspoken he is normally about people screwing with his work, this really did surprise me.

[Smiley]

Evidently they all still get along (Or at least they say they do on Facebook which is why I sent a friend request to him on Monica's page). When I asked Jeremy about it in the past he was pretty reluctant to answer but said he found the whole thing sad. Despite his falling out on projects before I do see him sending comments to Kojima on twitter and he has Tomm Hulett as a friend on facebook also.

Guy said that more interviews are on the way. I guess someone informed him. Devin Shatsky (Downpour producer) and David Schaufele (original Eddie from SH2). I'm curious on David's take because that might make or break Guy and Monica's claims.

[Mr. Spencer]

Who did Michael Ironside play in a Silent Hill game? I don't see it in his credits on Wikipedia...

Sam Fisher

Hell, if Michael Ironside voiced Lightning in FFXIII it would have been a 10/10 game right there.

[Smiley]

Got in contact with Jeremy. Without beating a dead horse it goes back to the lack of contracts on Konami's part. All the actors are capable of suing them for the reuse of their performances. So even if Guy waives his rights that's just one actor out of the entire cast of two games.

I guess we can safely say they'd rather use a new cast than go through with that as sad as it may be.

So despite Guy's efforts I fear this may be too little too late. What bugs me about this is that everyone else lames blame on Guy. He drove Konami to do this by being outspoken about it. But is he really at fault if every actor in those games has the legal right to press charges over this? If not him it could very well have been anyone else.

[DXP]

Can someone quickly get me up to speed on exactly happened with this? I have read a few replies but what I can make out is Mary Elizabeth McGlynn has what gone and said that the original VA's were terrible or something like that? Because if that's the case....uh no the original VA's were fine for 2 I got a twin peaks vibe off it hence why I enjoyed it, and as for this HD remake crap I won't be getting it I have my originals for that.

[rewak]

From my perpective, Guy is causing excessive anger and hatred even towards Konami -the very company that created what you all love so much. Does that even make sense?

Yes, because Konami is CHANGING what we all love so much. It's a Lucas type situation, fans hate him because he constantly fucks with the series they love so much. Doesn't stop him though, won't stop Konami either sadly. If the case honestly truly is that Guy has no ground in his allegations, that they're completely false and he's just up on a high horse, then why oh why are all the voices redone? They keep saying "no contracts can be found so we can't prove it", which is the lamest excuse i've heard in my life.

[Smiley]

She didn't say they were terrible. Just that they were non-actors. She even did an imitation of Angela and laid blame on Guy like Troy Baker has done. At the moment Monica (original Mary/Maria voice) has gotten involved in Guy's defense and spoke out about her acting experience. The original voice of Eddie will have his own interview at some point about the whole mess.

Recently Jeremy Blaustein has opened up on the subject and blamed Guy as well for the recast. When I talked with him (as well as read the comments on the SH forum he replied to (http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23965)) he expressed that if Guy hadn't threaten to sue then Konami wouldn't have felt the need to recast. Even if they have no contracts and all the actors could very well press charges if they felt like it, Konami has decided to move along with the new voices.

So that's why people are blaming Guy Cihi. He was outspoken about the legal issues and threatened to sue. In Guy's defense though he was right about Konami having no contracts, and because Konami doesn't want to sort out each original actor to waive their rights they opted to play it safe and go with new actors. Guy recently waived his rights instead of suing with the hope that the original actors can still be placed back in even as an option. Despite Guy not getting any reply back from Konami the HD collection has been delayed apparently.

Boy, that's a lot to type out in the thick of things. Such a messy situation all over poor communication and business practices with one another. >_<;



Because there are plenty of people like me who believe the performances are not good by VA standards, only by video game VA standards, and VG VA standards are much better now than they were 10 years ago.

I believe I owe you an apology and must retract my earlier statement about Jeremy's direction. No doubt I enjoy the work of the original actors as does a lot of outspoken fans, but there was something Jeremy had said recently that reminded me of your opinion. Even though he's passionate about his work on the SH series and has grown fond of actors he's worked with it does seem as though he would do things differently this time around.


"All I know is what you guys know. But yes, I do believe SH3 will also be rerecorded unfortunately. Basically the problem is that Guy has demonstrated that voice actors can whip up trouble on this issue now so they (Konami) are being forced to play it safe. Perhaps if threats had never been issued, Konami would not feel like a cornered animal forced to defend -but that is the situation now and the only safe play was to rerecord.

Having said that, it should also be said that not all of the acting was top notch so even given the choice myself, I would do some re-recording with real professionals."---Jeremy Blaustein

I do wonder what characters he would have had re-recorded.

[Rombie]

People seem to think the HD set has been delayed because it's out next year, but when it was first announced Konami said the same thing, 2012 release. For some reason a number of retailers had it listed over the next couple of months (something that the MGS set has had as well, listed over multiple months except it is due out soon) but I don't think it was ever set for this year. It may have been delayed further into next year than originally planned due to this though, no doubt.

Jeremy's comments are still slightly unexpected to me, for someone who's been in situations where his public voice has been questioned, blaming Guy for something he does (and Jeremy knows, as stated) have a legal option to is interesting. Jeremy never went the legal way as far as I'm aware, but I'm sure it crossed his mind.

But there is two sides to this, yes Guy probably pushed it too far about legal demands, but given the cost Konami has put in re-recording and the whole chances this will impact on the sales and the cost of making the whole HD thing the first place, it was also a chance to begin with for Konami just to pay the original actors the money they've ended up spending anyway. They had that chance to smooth it over which they ignored, and re-recording it basically confirmed the reverse attack.

Given recent events it'd seemed to me fairly obvious that SH3 will be revoiced too, based on the fact obviously that one of the voice cast is also in SH2 and for the same reasons Jeremy mentioned.

In the end though, I agree - I think the whole thing is a shit fest, and I'm honestly starting to wish Konami didn't bother with the whole thing.

[riderkid]

so konami made sumtin we as fans won't buy cause they shit on a good tihng?

ok, got, getting old copies for cheaper...anyone got extras of SH 2 3 and 4 for cheap?

[Dracarys]

What bugs me about this is that everyone else lames blame on Guy. He drove Konami to do this by being outspoken about it. But is he really at fault if every actor in those games has the legal right to press charges over this? If not him it could very well have been anyone else.


From statements given by people on both sides I see it like this:


- In Japan, at least back then (dunno about now) what Konami did was standard practice. A one off fee for the VAs and that was it, nothing more. A couple VAs releated to SH have said this on both sides, I've also heard it from oter VAs not releated to SH or talking about this situation.

- Guy Cihi who isn't really in the business thinks he deserves more money from other uses of his work in the game. Perhaps in other countries where legality is better regulated this is true, but either way he has spent a long long time kicking up a enourmous stink about it.

- Perhaps Konami and original VAs could have worked something out, only we will never know because Guys constant shitstorm over the issue has made everything a rather unpleasent, hostile and awkward environment, and they cannot approach the others without including him.


I perhaps feel some empathy for the other VAs, who new they didn't get the best of deals but accepted it. I think I have a rather strong dislike for Guy who flung shit everywhere and now everything is a mess he waives his rights and says "Yeah use it, I don't care anymore, do it for the fans!". We would probably have had the original VAs if not for his actions alone and his actions alone mean every single VA have to waive rights also now or else his gesture is even more empty.

As I have said, replacing the original VAs doesn't really bother me but I understand fans who feel a special like for them, however I cannot grasp why anyone is defending this guy (what a perfectly unintended double entendre).



People seem to think the HD set has been delayed because it's out next year, but when it was first announced Konami said the same thing, 2012 release.

I remember a 2011 release being mentioned, I presumed the 2012 delay was because they decided to do a 360 version afterall.



I believe I owe you an apology and must retract my earlier statement about Jeremy's direction.

I don't believe is need of an apology, you said nothing offensive and just disagreed. But thanks for the sentiment.

[Rombie]

I remember a 2011 release being mentioned, I presumed the 2012 delay was because they decided to do a 360 version afterall.

I think you're right about the 360 thing.

I found where the 2011 date came from after I posted. When the HD set was officially confirmed at E3, well prior specifically - from Konami's pre conference, no date was mentioned at all in regards to it (and Book of Memories also announced). Then there was some comments in reply to questioning at the E3 that it would be a target for "winter." That I knew.

I've found a few links from late July saying that Konami said Sept/October 2011 but nothing official had appeared anywhere I'd looked, including the July news and press info pages at Konami's official website.

http://www.konami.com/news/index/2011-07/

I dug a bit more and someone mentioned the first two screens released in July came with a fact sheet that had a tentative date as above and that HiJinx Studios is the one doing the HD port.

The full fact sheet is up on Joystiq. It matches the same info I saw on Gamestop (date excluded) when the redone voice acting came to light.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/07/25/silent-hill-hd-collection-coming-in-september-october-first-s/

When the 360 version was confirmed in August at Gamescom there was no mention of any date again at all only both would come out simultaneously when it did arrive. So, yeah I think you are right.

[Smiley]

http://silenthaven.tumblr.com/post/10548461262/another-side-of-the-controversy-jeremy-blaustein

Another interview with Jeremy. This time going into more detail about the lack of contracts.

The whole "word is your bond" scenario never runs smoothly for a business. Case in point? And now he's saying he'd rather just put in the old voices.

What I find interesting is he seems to have some fare amount of knowledge regarding the HD Collection despite what he said earlier. He claims the new voice actors will be uncredited because it's a non-union job yet all the original cast will be credited. I'm assuming that's based on their mocap performances.

EDIT: Devin Shatsky and Tomm Hulett interview is now up. Covers both Downpur and HD Collection.

http://she.townofsilenthill.com/silent-hill-experienced-exclusive-interview-with-devin-shatsky-and-tomm-hulett/ (http://she.townofsilenthill.com/silent-hill-experienced-exclusive-interview-with-devin-shatsky-and-tomm-hulett/)

EDIT part 2: Found other work by Guy Cihi that was not Silent Hill related. From Silent Hill to.... The Amazon!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idTU8hpztO8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhv09FEp6i0&feature=channel_video_title

In fact check out the channel. He's quite adventurous. I'm currently watching 'The Baja Challenge' as I type this.

EDIT part 3: More from Jeremy Blaustein. This time on recording and what he has to say about McGynn's comments.

http://she.townofsilenthill.com/new-silent-haven-interview-with-jeremy-blaustein/#comment-11456

After viewing a video of some criticisms of the voice work in SH2 by Mary Elizabeth MCGlynn, Jeremy wanted to point out that “the pacing problems in the game dialog were NOT simply the result of the way they were recorded in the booth but were also affected by the hardware at the time and the way the dialog was called up by the program. It resulted in some awkward pauses between speaking characters.” Jeremy also defended the voice work of Donna who voiced Angela saying “What Mary failed to understand is that the voice actors were also constrained in their timing because they had to match the pace and tempo of their movements from the mocap session. Essentially the actors were doing the voice-overs to picture and it could not be altered so the pacing of the delivery was circumscribed by that. Donna also did one of the best performances in SH3 as the leader of the cult, Claudia. She also happens to be a fantastic singer.”

EDIT part 4: Couple more news updates. Jeremy Blaustein's mysterious role at Konami is now unveiled. He will be localizing Silent Hill: Book of Memories for the Vita.

http://she.townofsilenthill.com/jeremy-blaustein-localizing-silent-hill-book-of-memories/ (http://she.townofsilenthill.com/jeremy-blaustein-localizing-silent-hill-book-of-memories/)

Also David Schaufele (original voice of Eddie in Silent Hill 2) has an interview up. A very interesting read all around.
http://she.townofsilenthill.com/silent-havens-interview-with-sh2s-original-eddie-voice-david-schaufele/ (http://she.townofsilenthill.com/silent-havens-interview-with-sh2s-original-eddie-voice-david-schaufele/)

[MeanBob]

Guys, Cihi has commented on his Open Letter to Konami on his Facebook and announced some good news! Although, it's a possibility, it sure is reassuring!


I think we are close to a solution with Konami that will put the original voices back into the HD release. Tomm Hulett called me. We had a nice chat. I am 95% sure we are going to get a Win-Win ending. All I need to do is find the damn bowling alley and talk to that guy... What was his name again? =)

[Smiley]

That's great news.

Raises a lot of questions though.

Do they plan to release these with optional voice tracks or decide on one over the other?

Since the deals are being made with the Silent Hill 2 cast what about the people behind Silent Hill 3? We haven't heard anything about them.

[MeanBob]

I would imagine that they'd release it with optional voice tracks because then they'd have to scrap the new VAs, which pretty much would seem like they did it for nothing.

Good question about Silent Hill 3. No one's talking about it at all, so I'm a bit worried about it.. :(

[Beanovsky Durst]

I would imagine that they'd release it with optional voice tracks because then they'd have to scrap the new VAs, which pretty much would seem like they did it for nothing.

Good question about Silent Hill 3. No one's talking about it at all, so I'm a bit worried about it.. :(

But that would be a nice incentive to buy. YOU, the player, choose if you want new or old voices. Or maybe something like MvC3, where you can choose if you want some characters to speak japanese or english. Combine old and new voice acting to your liking. That would be fun too!

[Smiley]

I'm very happy to announce that as far as Silent Hill 2 is concerned we may very well be getting the voices back in after all. Here's the most recent update. Guy Cihi posted a picture on his facebook of himself and Dave Schaufele signing their waivers. He made the following statement:


Very special thanks to Monica Taylor Horgan and Donna Burke for signing their waivers! Fans, you need to understand that this simply wouldn't have been possible without the cooperation and support of Tomm Hulett, Devin Shatsky and Michael Ranja of Konami USA. Plus, I would like to issue a special note of gratitude to Michael Patrick Arnold of Silent Haven who worked selflessly behind the scenes to get everyone together on this, and make the Win-Win ending possible. I don't think we could have done it without you, Mike!

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/1262/guydavid.jpg


Tomm Hulett and Devin Shatsky said that once the rights waivers are all signed, they will do their best to include the original cast in the new HD release. The waivers are all signed so it's now up to Tomm and Devin to bring it on home! Send your fan-love and support to them both - they're on Facebook! Now is no time for shyness. So go ahead and express your appreciation and support.

[Canas Renvall]

Go Guy~ :D Now... There may yet be hope for the HD release. :P

[Dracarys]

I hope the new voices are still an option.

[MeanBob]

I saw his post on FB right when I woke up and am VERY happy to see this outcome happen :)

[Canas Renvall]

Yeah, this is really nice. Like I said, I just might buy this now in all honesty. Original voices ftw.

[Beanovsky Durst]

I'm starting to think that this might be an advertising stunt... But hell yeah, we got the original voices back!

[Gradon]

Gave Monica a suggestion to allow what Marvel vs Capcom 3 had, allowed you to pick different voices for each individual character.
She said she's going to RAGE Release tomorrow and she'd have a word with them about it haha.
I'm quite happy over this whole ordeal now, but she confirmed they WILL include BOTH the original and re-recorded vocals.

[Smiley]

Update from Guy Cihi


Here is an update about the dinner in L.A. with Tomm and Devin of Konami.

At the dinner: Tomm and Devin were circumspect and reserved. Monica was mysterious and beautiful. Dave and I had been partying for two days so we were already in sync and tight. We talked about our families and other personal goings on. We had a good time! At some point I got the feeling that if I didn't ask, they weren't going to volunteer information. So I asked Tomm about the HD Collection voices and release date. Here is what he said:

The HD Collection is on schedule for Jan 2012 release. The deadline for releasing the masters to the duplicators is like, this week. All major actors for SH2 have signed releases and so the SH2 game will offer players both voices - original and new. One SH2 actor was unwilling to sign, or had unreasonably delayed signing, but he has only two lines in SH2, so Devin and Tomm decided to use the new voice for those two lines. SH3, however, is a problem. Konami people have been unable to locate/contact Heather Morris so they cannot get her to sign a rights release. I have tried to find Heather but I was unable. If you know her contact information, please tell me ASAP otherwise SH3 will not have the original voices.

I plan to do a podcast with Dena Natali at the end of this month. I will also do an interview with Luis Ricardo de Barros later this month for Brazilian fans. Please look forward to those. My next SH2 related project will be to record a Let's Play. Wish me luck!

THANK YOU ALL (even haters) for causing such a big stir about the SH2 voice actors. Twin Perfect's Rosseter and Twin Perfect's Fungo, you guys rock and deserve a special shout out. The voice comparison video definitely helped tip the scales! (Plus, my kids love it - they mimic it often.)

SH2 Fans, you have touched our hearts (Me, Dave, Monica and Donna.) You make us feel special and very happy.

We all did it together!

The effort to find Heather Morris will have to step up if we are to have the original cast in SH3 HD.

[GuardhouseMusic]

Crap. I dunno where to start, this for me is actually more crucial as SH3 is my favorite.

Still, wow! Guy Cihi's going to do a podcast with Dena. I'm looking forward to that

[Canas Renvall]

Someone has to find Heather Morris! D: It just won't be the same when she puts Claudia in her place...

"Shut your stinkin' mouth, bitch!!"

[Smiley]

Well I'd hire Douglas to go find her, but you know..... :'(

[GuardhouseMusic]

Someone has to find Heather Morris! D: It just won't be the same when she puts Claudia in her place...

"Shut your stinkin' mouth, bitch!!"

Canas, I can count on both hands the amount of times you've quoted that line in these forums :P

[Canas Renvall]

I... uh...

Shut your stinkin' mouth, bitch! :lol:

[Smiley]

Well Hulett confirmed now. Only SH2 will have the original voices as an option. Because they couldn't find Heather Morris they won't do the same with SH3. A shame for the other SH3 actors that did sign waivers. Now there's only half a reason to support this collection. So I'll just stick with the originals for now. I'd rather they worry about a potential lawsuit from one voice actress and pay residuals than recast entirely. Assuming Heather would even do that and not sign a waiver herself were she found.

EDIT: :( Wonder what Tomm Hulett means by this:


One more tidbit of industry knowledge
Posted on November 22, 2011
by Tomm

Petitions have never, and will never, change anything. The numbers just aren’t high enough. If something happens that there was also a petition for, it’s because people were already hard at work on it. Sorry guys.
If petitions worked, we’d be knee deep in Mythri and Mother 3.
(And ridiculous, caustic complaint videos never help either)

Posted after Guy gives those Twin Perfect guys cred for their comparison video.

I don't know if he's trying to undermine the fan's efforts or what. But at any point during this fiasco did he give off any indication that he was looking for the original actors when he was trying to sell us on the replacement performances? I don't think a comment like this does him any favors when the original cast are giving the fans the proper credit for their efforts to get the original voices in the HD collection.

[GuardhouseMusic]

Yes, this is also a pass for me, a respectful one though considering Hulett at least got the original SH2 actors.