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  • TheBatMan
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    Originally posted by Dracarys View Post
    He is a Weyland in Alien 3. Jut someting seemly forgot about, or that Ridley Scott didn't care about.

    Sounds like they've rebooted the Alien canon if that all true. As recent as the extras of Aliens Quadrilogy bluray they still say all the gunk I mentioned is canon.
    Who says he's a Weyland in Alien 3? Certainly nothing in the production archives do. He's just Michael Bishop, the guy who designed the Bishop android line. If you're looking for a connection to Charles Bishop Weyland because of the likeness then no, no. AVP is irrelevant, parallel universe. Likewise with Colonial Marines. It's there floating around with Biohazard Gaiden and Operation Raccoon City.

    Apart from the enhancement pods made for the blu-ray Anthology, everything in the Quadrilogy in 13 years old.
    Last edited by TheBatMan; 02-24-2015, 05:32 PM.

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  • Dracarys
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    He is a Weyland in Alien 3. Jut someting seemly forgot about, or that Ridley Scott didn't care about.

    Sounds like they've rebooted the Alien canon if that all true. As recent as the extras of Aliens Quadrilogy bluray they still say all the gunk I mentioned is canon.

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  • TheBatMan
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    Originally posted by Dracarys View Post
    Except that the engineers clearly are not space jockeys for reasons related to size and the fact the body in Alien is clearly not a suit, and that it also ended the Weyland bloodline, making Micheal Bishop Weyland (Alien 3 ending 'Bishop') impossible.

    Officially, everything is canon, Alien and Pred universe is the same, all movies, expanded universe including novels and games. It gets claimed with pretty much everything they put out. I kow it makes no sense and not even fan theory can explain it, but is true.
    Yes, that's true about the Engineers but hey, it's what they've gone with. It's only a minor nitpick and Ridley Scott always envisonged it as a being wearing an exo-suit anyway.

    Henriksen in Alien 3 is just Michael Bishop. He ain't a Weyland.

    Officially, everything isn't canon. Tim Lebbon confirmed this when Fox sent him a 'canon bible' as a mandate when he wrote his Out of the Shadows novel last year. The AVP films have been binned, although interestingly, Predator, Predator 2 and Predators are still counted as being in the universe, probably because they do not crossover and cause no issues. I'm sure we've talked about this in the past but Prometheus also makes the AVP films obsolete anyway.

    The official canon according to 20th Century Fox is:

    Prometheus ---> Prometheus 2 ---> Alien ---> Alien Isolation ---> Alien: Out of the Shadows ---> Alien: River of Pain ---> Aliens ---> Fire and Stone ---> Alien 3 ---> Alien Resurrection ---> Alien: Sea of Sorrows. Then add wherever Blomkamp's new Alien fits.

    A new book entitled 'The Weyland Yutani Report' by SD Perry is due out soon and elaborates on this further. I've been privileged to have a peek at a review copy which includes the official Alien timeline. All of the above barring Prometheus 2 and Alien 5 are referred to on it, the AVP films are nowhere to be seen.

    The Alien vs. Predator aspect is being rebooted next year in the form of a new trilogy of novels entitled 'The Rage War' with chronologically a standalone Predator novel, then alien, then AVP.

    AVP and Requiem officially and thankfully no longer have any relevance. Fox have also gone extremely quiet on Colonial Marines.
    Last edited by TheBatMan; 02-24-2015, 11:47 AM.

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  • Dracarys
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    Originally posted by TheBatMan View Post
    Just the Alien films. So no continuity issues at all.
    Except that the engineers clearly are not space jockeys for reasons related to size and the fact the body in Alien is clearly not a suit, and that it also ended the Weyland bloodline, making Micheal Bishop Weyland (Alien 3 ending 'Bishop') impossible.

    Officially, everything is canon, Alien and Pred universe is the same, all movies, expanded universe including novels and games. It gets claimed with pretty much everything they put out. I kow it makes no sense and not even fan theory can explain it, but is true.
    Last edited by Dracarys; 02-24-2015, 09:47 AM.

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  • TheBatMan
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    Originally posted by Dracarys View Post
    There is a lot wrong with it, of differing amounts depending how you view the Aliens universe (combined with AvP, including any EU material or just the aliens movies).
    Just the Alien films. So no continuity issues at all.

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  • Dracarys
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    Originally posted by Mr.BioHazard View Post
    Nothing is screwed up with Prometheus...
    There is a lot wrong with it, of differing amounts depending how you view the Aliens universe (combined with AvP, including any EU material or just the aliens movies).

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  • Mr.BioHazard
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    Originally posted by Dracarys View Post
    Let's see how much worse they can screw up the continuity. If they can screw it worse than Prometheus I'll be impressed.
    Nothing is screwed up with Prometheus...

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  • TheBatMan
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    Originally posted by Dracarys View Post
    Let's see how much worse they can screw up the continuity. If they can screw it worse than Prometheus I'll be impressed.
    That's the spirit...

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  • Dracarys
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    Let's see how much worse they can screw up the continuity. If they can screw it worse than Prometheus I'll be impressed.

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  • Rombie
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    Originally posted by TheBatMan View Post
    That was just a marketing ploy. Do you really believe that after the critical panning Colonial Marines got they any self-respecting filmmaker would follow on from that particular plot line? Colonial Marines is redundant anyway because Ripley still dies at the end, unless they've cloned Hicks 200 years in the future which would be beyond stupid.

    As much as I love Biehn, I'm willing to bet that image is just a place-holder.
    Yeah CM's plot was fairly paper thin and doesn't really change anything even if it was considered canon for Fox or anyone else. As you correctly state, Ripley still dies. As does Newt. And so Hicks gets to live on and try and stop WeyYu. All well and good for the time and place Aliens is set, and possibly still works for the future set location of the forth film where the company no longer existed. So it doesn't make a lot of difference either way.

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  • yurieu
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    Originally posted by Wrathborne View Post
    Article left out the paintings he shared online that are the reason this film is happening ;)

    Here are a few of them for anyone who hasnt seen them.


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    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y9z6nzJ044...ns_600x300.jpg

    Artworks are always cool, but lets just hope there is no stupid crush-the-hot-chick scene.

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  • TheBatMan
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    Originally posted by Mr.BioHazard View Post
    Actually, Biehn IS alive. In Aliens: Colonial Marines it was confirmed that he is in fact alive. The game is Canon to the series. And the movie is confirmed to be set AFTER Prometheus 2

    http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/new...equel#/slide/1
    That was just a marketing ploy. Do you really believe that after the critical panning Colonial Marines got they any self-respecting filmmaker would follow on from that particular plot line? Colonial Marines is redundant anyway because Ripley still dies at the end, unless they've cloned Hicks 200 years in the future which would be beyond stupid.

    As much as I love Biehn, I'm willing to bet that image is just a place-holder.

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  • Mr.BioHazard
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    Originally posted by Dark_Chris View Post
    Those concept arts will probably have nothing to do with the actual movie since it's bound to be set between Prometheus 2 and original Alien. AT least that's what IGN is reporting. After all the only way to make another Alien movie with Weaver and Biehn is to retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection and I don't believe that's ever gonna happen.
    Actually, Biehn IS alive. In Aliens: Colonial Marines it was confirmed that he is in fact alive. The game is Canon to the series. And the movie is confirmed to be set AFTER Prometheus 2

    Neill Blomkamp is going to heading where no one can hear you scream for his next film, an Alien sequel! It even looks like Sigourney Weaver will return!

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  • Dark_Chris
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    Those concept arts will probably have nothing to do with the actual movie since it's bound to be set between Prometheus 2 and original Alien. AT least that's what IGN is reporting. After all the only way to make another Alien movie with Weaver and Biehn is to retcon Alien 3 and Resurrection and I don't believe that's ever gonna happen.

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  • Rombie
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    Two things.

    Firstly... geez, good on him for getting it this way. I can only imagine if the social media outing/pressure existed back in 2000... we would have ended up with Scott and Cameron's original actual Alien sequels they planned out rather than two shitty AVP films and the eventual idea of the Prometheus films.

    Secondly, Fox better not fuck this up by interfering too much again. But the chances of that not happening are low as always.

    I wish him good luck. Get Weaver and Biehn on board first. Everything else will follow.

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