Boston Marathon bombed...

[Wrathborne]

A good government you say? well first off I'll say this, there is no such thing as a perfect government.but ya know, its stuff like this I see in other countries I wish would happen here :/

http://www.independent.ie/business/world/icelandic-bankers-jailed-for-reckless-loans-made-before-crash-28952296.html

I'd say Icelands government is pretty damn good. Up until Elizabeth Warren, we've had jack shit done about the banking problems and corruption here in the US and she may not be enough.

[ccrogers15]

Bombs found in boston courthouse, completely evacuated. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...bombing-day-3/


Also, 23 year old Lingzi Lu identified as third victim, 12 people still remain at hospital under extreme critical condition.

[Wrathborne]

And for anyone who was curious, 4-chan has been on the case and they've made some interesting findings on their think tank. They've actually done a decent job on their findings as well.

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA

[Carnivol]

I like how people moaning about surveillance-esque routines and propositions thinks so highly of themselves that they honestly think they've got something to hide and that someone gives a shit about what kind of retarded shit they do in their everyday life.

It's also a fantastic flip around scenario whenever something (such as this tragic incident) happens, and you see the same people start moaning and questioning where the government was, where the special forces where, why Superman didn't save the day, etc.

[MeganGrass]

Glad you asked, you familiar with CISPA?

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130410/11570822664/cispas-sponsor-cant-even-keep-his-story-straight-about-nsa-having-access-to-your-data.shtml

This isn't just your usual bullshit online surveillance, its categorizing every citizens e-mail, bank account, chats and storing them all into their new Data center.

Heres what the NSA has been up too, and I HATE having to post this crazy sounding shit...but its becoming a reality.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/13/nsa-whistleblower-theyre-assembling-information-on-every-u-s-citizen/

And the NSA's new data center

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=22705217

What about NYs police state and their "stop and frisk" policy that violates so many laws as well as certain amendments of the document that the US was founded on.

Or the Patriot acts bullshit thats had the CIA and FBI torturing terrorists, and "terrorists" for info? Or the FBI frequently creating, and then at the last minute stopping, terrorists here at home?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/FBI-creating-terrorist-plo-by-Gregory-Patin-121022-673.html

The reason there are so many damn 9/11 conspiracies is partially due to all the newfound power the last 2 administrations have pushed for and enforced on us as well as continue to expand upon. But also due to lots of oddities. I mean hell, even the addition of giving the government the right to indefinite detention of US citizens without trial added to the NDAA is just in-fucking-sane.

http://www.reddit.com/search?q=NDAA&t=month

Its hard to not be paranoid when you read about shit happening, that frankly shouldn't.

Its even harder to see shit like what happened yesterday at Boston and wonder if what happened was allowed to happen, or legitimately happened to 'keep the fear alive' so that the machine an continue to grow. :/

I have a couple solutions to counter-act your fear (and maybe terrorism, altogether):

1 - Turn off your television.

2 - Find a credible news source (Fox News, reddit and 4-chan doesn't count. Especially Fox News ).

3 - Live your life; there's nothing you can do about it, anyway.


Admittedly, I utterly despise the Patriot Act, and any attempt to log our porn-site visits on a Government level (see rule #3).

"Welcome, my son. Welcome to the machine."

[Wrathborne]

1- I don't watch TV.

2- No fox news links there(minus the Reddit search results, I wouldn't put those here even as a joke, much less read them and call them "news".). Reddit is a credible news source, even though you don't care for it. It isn't perfect, no news source is but its a few steps up from Fox and their army of right wing trolls.

3- Life is a constant source of disruptions, wiser men than I have said that. That being said, minimizing the disruptions so you can live your life the best way you can is always in everyone best interest. So why act defeated when a 3rd party is trying to intrude in our personal business when you can do something about it? Surrendering before a battle begins is just acceptance, and in lifes game of give and take, if you keep giving and don't get anything out of it...you aren't playing the game. If you don't play the game, you'll never get ahead in life. Even on small personal victories.

I am amused that you choose to respond to the Patriot act but ignore the NDAA and CISPA, even though 95% of the NDAA is about paying troups...there is that 5% about indefinite detention of US citizens. If congress is passing shit like that and you aren't concerned then you aren't paying attention.

[MeganGrass]

1- I don't watch TV.

2- No fox news links there(minus the Reddit search results, I wouldn't put those here even as a joke, much less read them and call them "news".). Reddit is a credible news source, even though you don't care for it. It isn't perfect, no news source is but its a few steps up from Fox and their army of right wing trolls.

3- Life is a constant source of disruptions, wiser men than I have said that. That being said, minimizing the disruptions so you can live your life the best way you can is always in everyone best interest. So why act defeated when a 3rd party is trying to intrude in our personal business when you can do something about it? Surrendering before a battle begins is just acceptance, and in lifes game of give and take, if you keep giving and don't get anything out of it...you aren't playing the game. If you don't play the game, you'll never get ahead in life. Even on small personal victories.

I am amused that you choose to respond to the Patriot act but ignore the NDAA and CISPA, even though 95% of the NDAA is about paying troups...there is that 5% about indefinite detention of US citizens. If congress is passing shit like that and you aren't concerned then you aren't paying attention.

1 -

2 - Well, I can rest easier; knowing you're not another Faux News zombie. ;)

3 - Exactly what can you or I do about it, really? Contact our congressmen, and hope they (and countless others) make 'the right choice'? I dunno about you, but I've completely lost faith in any of those bozo-clowns. Rally in Washington? Pfft. Prepare for the apocalypse? I am not defeated, rather victorious when I don't allow any aspect of my life to be ruined by fear, as I simply refuse to be spoon-fed by propaganda.


Oh, don't think for a second that I support NDAA or CISPA. They are both, shamelessly unconstitutional. On the other hand, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear. Again, neither directly affect my life, but I absolutely do not support this tyrannical nonsense.

I am concerned for the welfare of others, however. These bills promote racial profiling, fear-hate-war mongering, paranoia, etc - exactly what is desired by those who keep trying to get these bills passed, knowing they contain questionable material.

If someone broke into your home, trashed and stole everything, you're not going to sit back and let it happen again - you're likely to buy a security system, new dead-bolt, gun, whatever. I can understand that side of our Government's argument, it's just a matter of weeding-out the utterly-random bullshit that anonymous lobbyist throw into certain bills, for their own monetary/political gain... which seems to be happening a lot. For example, NDAA is 95% about soldier pay, the remaining 5% is about indefinite detention - I would place bets that the 5% part was snuck into that bill, anonymously.

[Wrathborne]

Oh I didn't mean to imply that you were in support for the NDAA or CISPA, I was just pointing out you kind of cherry picked your previous argument.Sorry about that, I could have been a little more clear on that.

Kind of gave up on watching TV about...2 years back, I catch an episode of the Daily show once in a blue moon but I get all my entertainment online now.

Actually Mark...that 5% part was snuck in by the dems initially, and didn't say anything about the Indefinite detention of US citizens, and even had a provision against it...then this last Year McCain, who co-wrote the bill, removed that provision and made it allow the indefinite detention of US citizens without trial.

We live in a broken system and there are a few congressmen and senators out there who are doing their job, but they're far an few between. sending letters or rallying doesnt work, voting..well it used to work, not so sure anymore.

But war is a business and the War on terror has revoked a lot of civil liberties in the name of "protection and defense". If it isn't one thing, its another and they keep pushing and pushing. Thats what gets me riled up and why I keep an eye on things, because I grew up with things like privacy,chance, and hope. I dont have hope so much anymore, but I like my privacy as well as the chance to get ahead in life.

What can you do about corruption and what not? Pay attention to it, keep an eye on the people who are trying to take things away from you and even though the power of voting does get nerfed, you gotta try to stop them at the polls. Even as idealistic as that sounds, thats the only way to really get rid of these clowns.

To use your own analogy if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't hop out the window and hang out in the backyard until the burgler got what he wanted and left, would you? because if you do that then then yes, the burgler is not really affecting your life in the long run, but he is taking things away from you that you've worked for as well as violating your sense of security by invading your house. Heres the real question though...what if instead of a burgler sneaking into your house its a cop who says he has a legal right to be there, despite entering your home illegally because he "suspects" you of being part of a robbery 20 miles away that just happened 5 minutes ago and if you don't come with him willingly, hes going to use force to make you come with him. No Miranda rights mentioned, no explanation about why you're the suspect, this is an order...or else.

Because this is the same type of bullshit police state that we seem to be on the path towards. The day that officers of the law start asking for "papers" and refer to us as "citizen" is the day we all lose.

[MeganGrass]

Oh I didn't mean to imply that you were in support for the NDAA or CISPA, I was just pointing out you kind of cherry picked your previous argument.Sorry about that, I could have been a little more clear on that.

Sorry, was kinda rushed, and didn't want to completely hijack the thread.

Actually Mark...that 5% part was snuck in by the dems initially, and didn't say anything about the Indefinite detention of US citizens, and even had a provision against it...then this last Year McCain, who co-wrote the bill, removed that provision and made it allow the indefinite detention of US citizens without trial.

We live in a broken system and there are a few congressmen and senators out there who are doing their job, but they're far an few between. sending letters or rallying doesnt work, voting..well it used to work, not so sure anymore.

But war is a business and the War on terror has revoked a lot of civil liberties in the name of "protection and defense". If it isn't one thing, its another and they keep pushing and pushing. Thats what gets me riled up and why I keep an eye on things, because I grew up with things like privacy,chance, and hope. I dont have hope so much anymore, but I like my privacy as well as the chance to get ahead in life.

I'm pretty sure voting still works. People have grown wise to rigging.

I don't believe the system is broken; basic rights ensure it can be repaired and improved upon, through passing of proper, future law... but, I agree - it isn't perfect. After all, both the practice and business of slavery was once legal (basic example, but you get the point).

To use your own analogy if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't hop out the window and hang out in the backyard until the burgler got what he wanted and left, would you? because if you do that then then yes, the burgler is not really affecting your life in the long run, but he is taking things away from you that you've worked for as well as violating your sense of security by invading your house. Heres the real question though...what if instead of a burgler sneaking into your house its a cop who says he has a legal right to be there, despite entering your home illegally because he "suspects" you of being part of a robbery 20 miles away that just happened 5 minutes ago and if you don't come with him willingly, hes going to use force to make you come with him. No Miranda rights mentioned, no explanation about why you're the suspect, this is an order...or else.

Because this is the same type of bullshit police state that we seem to be on the path towards. The day that officers of the law start asking for "papers" and refer to us as "citizen" is the day we all lose.

I should have specified - "you" weren't home. Americans we caught off-guard by 9/11, which in-turn, led to many people being duped by evil politicians.

Again, people are starting to grow wise, and more thoughtful when voting (fact checking, so sad it took so long).

What you speak of is fascism. Our Government isn't fascist. Most unfortunately, police officers can be fascist... the problem is just another matter of exposing them and fixing law. Otherwise, I stand by my previous statement - if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.



Still, I see no reason to live in fear, and especially don't accept any argument against hope... and really don't want to hijack this thread any further.

[Wrathborne]

Gotcha.

[ccrogers15]

US Government now calling Texas explosion that killed 15 and possibly more a terrorist act.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/18/17800341-texas-town-likened-to-baghdad-after-blast-that-may-have-killed-15-injured-160?lite

[Wrathborne]

One of the Boston suspects apprehended.(Yahoo news warning)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/boston-mit-shooting-explosion-suspect-watertown-064355149.html

[P.I.M.P.]

oh...we've found out that its two muslims....here comes the stereotyping again where ppl are goin to be ignorant and go by the news and say out loud moslems did it etc...all moslems are responsible for this etc

such a shame

[MeganGrass]

Thanks for sharing, Wrath.

oh...we've found out that its two muslims....here comes the stereotyping again where ppl are goin to be ignorant and go by the news and say out loud moslems did it etc...all moslems are responsible for this etc

such a shame

The brothers are of Chechen origin, according to NBC, a volatile part of Russia's North Caucasus.

You want to see something absolutely horrendous, concerning racial profiling? Check this out, and read the first 5-6 paragraphs:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/media-boston-marathon-bombing_n_3111715.html

And thus, idiocracy continues, on schedule and full speed ahead.

[News Bot]

Wonderful irony in the first suspect getting his chest blown open by an IED.