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    Default A timeline of RE15's history and the hunt for it (1996-2013)

    Thought I'd pull this out of Aleff's thread and spin it off into its own.

    For me, the story of how RE15 came to be and the subsequent 16-year hunt for it is even more fun than the game itself. That's just me - I like a good story, and this one's got all of the drama, politics, intrigue, feuding, backstabbing, hucksters and shysters, and so on, of any good adventure or questing drama. Graco's excellent RE15 FAQ only hints at the full story. It takes place on an international stage, with players from over two dozen countries and on almost every continent on the globe. From the bootleg black markets of Hong Kong all the way around the world, though Japan, North and South America, England, the Common Market, and on to Russia and the shopping arcades of Garbushka -- you'll not find anything quite like this tale in all of videogame history to date. For those of you who want more and missed all of the drama of these past years (like me), who were never aware of how it all started, how RE15 was developed and cancelled, and then how the hunt for this lost game came to be and the highlights of almost everything that went on with it over the years ... well ... here's where to look.

    I also hope the "old hands" and everyone else who came in (and out) of the RE15 scene can use this info to jog their memories, and improve it even more. I'll of course update as new info comes in. Mirrors, posting on other sites, extensive quotations, AND translations into other languages are all welcome (i.e. you have my blessing)

    THE HUNT FOR RESIDENT EVIL 1.5 by Richard Mandel

    Archive (v1.02) --> http://download850.mediafire.com/839...re15_v102f.rar

    Almost all of this information - certainly all of it with regards to the Internet prior to 2003 - was found either in the archives of various Internet forums and sites, dug out of the Wayback Machine's archives, or sifted out from the old Usenet archives. There is always the possibility that I haven't correctly connected some of the dots, though - I'm human, and I make mistakes. Comments, questions, corrections, criticisms, and suggestions are all welcome.
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    Already read all of Part 1 <3 bout to start part 2 GREAT READ GUYS CHECK IT OUT!!!

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    At the rate you're going, I'll soon see your face on the business end of a hardcover publication entitled "The One That Got Away: Join Richard Mandel as he here provides an exclusive in-depth look at the history and the mystery behind the most elusive prototype to date". I see a book deal in the making!

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    Very well written thanks a lot dude, reading the second part now.

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    Amazing how much I am learning about 1.5's history through this

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    Added Part 3, dealing with the whole Curator business and the public aftermath of all that. Go to the first post for the link. I also need to correct an error in Part 2 on the entry for the Biohaze website. "Yama" is not the same as "yami," the guy who did the initial background work for Dominion's Dark Biohazard PMOD. My apologies for that goof.
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    I'm afraid I take particular issue with this passage in the third file:

    - Colvin (aka Joel Welsh) finally succeeds in rebooting the old White Umbrella
    server and transforming it into his vision of what should be the best RE site
    on the Internet. Now renamed Project Umbrella, its chief focus is on the
    history told within the games and how they all interrelate with each other in
    a "canon" form. Thus, after its own fashion and according to its own
    particular idiom, Project Umbrella becomes possibly the best RE reference site
    "for all things canon."
    [THIA's Newsbot is one of the site's major contributors. To be fair, it REALLY
    IS a good site for RE canon research. You'll find things there you won't find
    anywhere else - if that's what you're into. Colvin may have started the thing
    out of spite for Steam regarding their old TRG feud (and he had a hellua head
    start in resources with his personal copy of the old White Umbrella archives,
    but Project Umbrella eventually grew beyond its questionable origins. That was
    and is thanks in no small part to the people who came in and helped him build it
    up. People like Newsbot, for example. You'll also see a lot of familiar names
    in the Project Umbrella forums ....]
    1) Project Umbrella has no relation to White Umbrella. Literally nothing. I wasn't even on the Internet when WU was around.

    2) I am not a PU contributor. I am the owner.

    3) PU was started by myself and Krispy in 2006 after we met on reHorror and initially wanted to do a "Resident Evil Media" hub before the idea expanded, and we brought on other reHorror members Neptune and Chimera, and El Bastardo and Mr. Spencer from Metal Gear Solid: The Unofficial Site.

    4) Colvin offered to contribute in about late 2009. He was not involved with the site's formulation or foundation, but has since become a major contributor. He has no control over the site itself. I am the only one with control over the site, although I give most of the staff free reign on things like the podcast, moderation etc.

    I'm disappointed in that, especially when the site's origins are detailed in the FAQ. Regarding Colvin himself, despite some very disappointing missteps over the years, he has contributed more to the community than most people can ever claim to. He was 14 at the time of most of the "original drama" of the community, so I personally don't think it's fair to judge him based on those. That said, I am never pleased when he messes up in the community in current times. Despite that, he still does more work than most and is very dedicated to what he does (to his own detriment at times). He's currently working on a "Making of BIO HAZARD" book and has conducted or helped to conduct countless interviews with CAPCOM staff. Even a small portion of what I've seen from the book will blow people away.
    PROJECT Umbrella - The BIOHAZARD/RESIDENT EVIL Compendium

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    Thanks for the info on Project Umbrella. Have updated and corrected accordingly.
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    This is incredible! The amount of despair, betrayal, and drama all for this one beta.

    That made for a very interesting read, furthermore I also like your 1.5 what if video's that you've uploaded. I always enjoy anything new you have to Offer Richard, keep it up.

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    Looks very interesting, thanks RMandel!

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    I've skimmed over and seen a few issues. I'll need to re read later for more specifics. I suggest too making a fifth file which is a glossary of terms and people involved for reference due to the size of the other documents.

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    You should give it a name like "In the darkness of RE1.5", the unofficial true story by Rmandel !

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    Really great work on this, it's very interesting. I've only read the first one, but I'll read the others later because my eyes are BURNING.

    It's interesting, Mikami and the other guy don't seem too negative towards 1.5. But the director, Kamiya, has even gone so far as to call 1.5 "garbage".

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    Here should be the cover of the book:

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    Interesting read.

    I never would have imagined that someone would have gone to such lengths in order to produce something like this... it's... amazing, but in a good way. There's quite a lot of stuff that's happened through the years that could make for an interesting read, most especially the juicy stuff that's never been revealed.

    ...just a few things:

    "RE uber-PMOdding expert Mark Grass also has fond memories of White Umbrella. He was new to the RE scene at the time, and for him it was a dream come true."
    I wasn't new to the scene, at that time (unless one would consider 2+ years to be new). In fact, I was a staff member of the 'Neo' version of White Umbrella (Neo-WU). Scream can give much more information about Neo-WU, and the history of Neo/White Umbrella.

    Also, not too fond of the "RE uber-PModding expert" prefix... In spite of the fact I've created the first tools this scene ever had (and personally developed the fake ego/character that comes with all that attention), I have never produced a single mod - none that were publicly released, anyway. I obviously can't tell you how to write your own piece, but that prefix is too much, even for me.

    ...and one last, small request. If you're going to use my real name, Mark Grass, you'd might as well throw my middle initial in there (Mark E. Grass). My 'alias'/alter-ego, MarkGrass, works too. Sorry, I'm just kinda picky about that.

    ...otherwise, you deserve some spanking/praise for your research.

    On the subject of Colvin, while I agree with News Bot that he has contributed much more than your average user, he brought all the negative attention upon himself. No one can change or defend that. Also, how old is Joel, really? When I talked to him (in-depth) around 2007-2008-ish, he told me that he was my age (even went as-far as to provide pictures of himself). And now, I find out he was a 14 year old kid?! If that's the case, I feel especially weird and very uncomfortable, given the conversations we had.
    I'm a blackstar.

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    Thoughts... excuse me these are just written at random.

    Any references to "Google Groups" prior to any possible posts from the last 5 years should be replaced, Google is just running archives of Usenet, which is what all internet communication started on in the 80's - it predates modern internet itself. The group in particular where all those posts were was alt.games.resident-evil (which I was a mod on few a few years until online boards replaced most of their use).

    On a personal note, I started Resident Evil A New Blood in 1999 after unsuccessful attempts working for other sites that went no where, I didn't create REFan - Roody did. I mearly merged with it in 2003 when I was stuggling to host a bandwidth hog of a site (visitor numbers were in the hundreds of thousands per month at that time and page impressions in the millions - average views were 6.something pages per visitor, it was absurd how much bandwidth was going and crippling my host). Roody was looking at closing and we kept both sites afloat that way. Project Omega now technically owns it. On that note in case anyone cares - RESitez started because Evil Online ran a webring which was very restrictive and elite with selected sites, so I wanted to support the community better which worked. RESitez closed in middle of 2004 simply because of server hosting issues, we couldn't afford to run the page impressions on REFan and RESitez off the same server.

    SurvivHor's been around longer than you stated. imacwesker will tell you the specifics, but I'm fairly certain it goes back to later part 1998 at least.

    Ditto on THIA itself. DotCal took over from Ice and it's been up since at least the very end of 1999 or start of 2000 as well. Ice and I used to trade materials here and there for quite a while. The Jan 05 thing was kinda of a relaunch with DotCal in charge only I believe. I also want to mention Marco from Totally RE (1999-2005) and Pure Evil (Milton) (who got me my first proper website space) who were also big prototype and community enthusiasts as well, and need to be mentioned in the early days because they, along with imacwesker, were some of the more sane people around the community with interest in early builds in those days. Along somewhat with Rammy from Biohazard Extreme of course.

    I'd love to know who sourced TRG's Beta 1 shots back to 1999 as well. I don't recall them appearing until the site redesigned and joined Evil-Online in early 2000, but I might be mistaken. Scream may know but I don't even know if he was involved with the site back then.

    Evil Online itself lasted for at least another couple of years.... it impoded mostly from it's community and Darkness (different than the one here I am always assuming), who was one of their mods, ran his own site off the back of it, Dark Legacy. He and the site was another one that Colvin used to have issues with for unknown reasons (he name checks them both in his rant in April 04 you quote).

    It's worth mentioning that one of White Umbrella's biggest pulls for the short time it lasted was the fact that most of the early games and regional variations of them were ripped and hosted as fully downloadable ISO's. I'm not sure how happy people would be of me mentioining this, but it's true.

    - One of EGM's reporters is visiting Capcom Japan at this time getting details on
    RE3 - the newest installment in the franchise. He asks about RE15, and is both
    shown the disc of the 80% build AND gets to play it for a limited time. He is
    so excited about this that he forgets to write down any details about what he
    experienced. Years later, he has to use the Bioflames collection images to
    remind himself of what happened, and he is unable to remember anything more
    beyond what is shown in those images.
    [THIA user Rombie, quoting CVXFreak from one of the 8-4 podcasts]
    Thats actually Mark M and John R who you mention via a 2005 post in the first file. CVX joined Mark for a Biohazard/RE Special podcast and they again discuss the 1.5 play they managed. If you can listen to it, it's worth grabbing the exact quotes for this document I think.

    I think thats all I can add. I stepped away from the drama at the very start of 2007 for personal reasons and just dabbled in staying in touch with the community and being a voice in the background, so I'm sure everyone else here knows far more about more modern events than I.
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    Just the kind of stuff I needed to know! Thanks, Rombie. And thank you too, Mark. I thought "Mark Grass" was an online alias or pseudonym. My apologies.

    Like I said before, this is a work in progress. There's a lot of stuff I've missed, and as it turned out I AM guilty (as I feared) of not correctly connecting all the dots due to incomplete data. This story is YOURS, guys -- not mine. I want to make sure I get it right -- or at least set in a form on which most of you can (or will?) agree.

    I've been involved with acquiring rare games back in my youth - I once owned an original Phantasy Star MD cart, for example, in mint condition complete with the packaging - but the story of RE15 is unlike anything I've ever seen or heard about with regards to rare games. I know there's some rare games out there that have had just as much drama, but perhaps not as publically or for so long. Some of you have already talked about them in other threads. THIS just stands out above all the other hunts. Even the academics have taken note of it, and that's why I had that quote from Professor Hantke's book. Somebody else is bound to want to learn the whole story - or, maybe to be more accurate, as much as can be (or might ever be) told. I'm a guy who believes in "living history," as told by the people who experienced it - like Heroditus, or William L. Shirer, or countless other examples. No, the hunt for RE15 isn't a world-shaking event, but I believe it's unique in videogame history. That's why I want to document it - NOW - while I can, while most of the principal actors are still present and their memories are still fresh.

    I'd eventually like to write a proper narrative history, of course - an online book complete with illustrations, like some I've done in the past. Gotta lay the foundation first, of course. That's where this outline comes in. Once everything's lined up and ready, THEN the rest can follow.

    Oh, and thanks for the suggested book cover, Zombie_X. You're really good. Now I know who I can turn to for graphics in the future.

    I've got a couple of days off coming up in my real-world job. I'll try to read everything and update the sections then.

    Thanks, everyone - including my critics. I mean that. It may raise my hackles at times, but I'm honest enough to admit that good criticism always helps make a work better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rombie View Post
    SurvivHor's been around longer than you stated. imacwesker will tell you the specifics, but I'm fairly certain it goes back to later part 1998 at least.
    Well... SurvivHor was created in late 1999 but I had a few other websites previously to this date ;)
    Here is how my internet story goes:

    For visuals, you can check http://survivhor.biohazardfrance.net.../01/index.html

    As an experiment, trying to learn web design, I create my first RE-only website in 1996, Survivrez-vous l'horreur? (Can you survive the horror?)

    In 1997, my host cancel my subscription and I work on other people's websites (English and French, about Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, etc). I start to create "storage websites" on Geocities where I take dozens of screenshots of videos and let other webmasters use them on their own pages.
    This is why the "falling head" of the zombie in RE2 beta animated gif survived for so long: it was hosted online, not stored in one of my hard drives.

    In 1998, I create Play 2 Power - A website about survival-horror games/adventures games/RPG/games for Macintosh.

    Early 1999, I create Maximum Play (every previous games non-RE) and RE Inedit (everything RE) and merge them later during the year into one site called SurvivHor.
    The website's name is the contraction of "survival-horror" and a play on the word "survivor". The website is about every survival-horror games available at that time.

    End of the year 1999, I buy the domain name survivor.com (I don't own it anymore).

    In 2001, I decide to focus SurvivHor only on RE betas. There are half a dozen people helping me with the website and the forums since a few years. They all have their own agendas and interests in the series. I remember Evil Online from a few years back and decide to give them their own websites, hosted inside a portal. That's how and why Biohazard France is created.

    On a side note, I decide to leave the RE community in 2004 for various personal reasons. Then I have a car accident and to prevent myself to become crazy during the long painful rehab process, I polish and complete most of my files during 2005. In 2007, after I move to the US, I complete the last files and "close" the website.
    Of course, that's when Curator starts his whole mess
    Since 2007, I have "moved" to THIA because this website is the only one focusing so much on the RE betas, since I closed SurvivHor. Still, I stay quiet most of the time and just lurk in the shadows...


    Quote Originally Posted by RMandel View Post
    Text 3 - "This is how c2keo got involved with the RE15 effort, since he was called in to replace yami as the project's primary background artist."
    I read somewhere else that you were talking of Yami and Dominion has if they are 2 different persons. They aren't. Dominion is Yami.
    Not sure if you want to talk about the modding community in your 4th text. Dominion, Markgrass, Darkness, etc. have also their influence on the whole RE1.5 story.

    In case you want to do it, here is what's publicly known about him. Dominion is a Spaniard, fluent in English and Japanese. He is also some kind of hacking genius. He has been helping me/SurvivHor/BiohazardFrance since 1998. Because of the economic situation in Spain, he has been incredibly scarce the last 5 years.

    Dominion, like most of the "old hands", as you call us, is fascinated with RE1.5. This is obvious in his various MOD.
    In 2008, I have made a "walkthrough" video showing his various MOD here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQpUE8Sv4Y
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzWV8...=TL3O5P3chXSt4
    John/Dot50Cal has been kind enough to do the voice over.

    Dominion also provided countless gems to the RE community:
    - tons of Action Replay codes for all RE betas and demos publicly available
    - first translation of the Trevor's Letters ( http://survivhor.biohazardfrance.net.../01/index.html ) back in 1999-2000
    He was the first to dig into several demo and find
    - The "tazer" from Rebirth was already build for the original RE1 ( http://survivhor.biohazardfrance.net.../04/index.html )
    - The zombie's "falling head" from RE2 beta ( http://survivhor.biohazardfrance.net.../01/index.html )
    - There was a Partner Menu a la RE Zero created for RE2 beta (or a late version of RE1.5) and a watch was part of the inventory (replaced by the lighter in the final version) ( http://survivhor.biohazardfrance.net.../02/index.html )

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    I'd just like to give some additional information on my entry in PART 2 ...

    "sometime in 1999 or 2000"

    - Eteponge relates the following personal experience from his early days in the
    hunt for RE15 ....

    Back in 1999 or 2000, I began searching for the game online, through
    prototype collectors, traders, etc, and after a few months of jumping
    through hoops, I found a lead, a person gave me the contact of a person
    who allegedly had the game. I contacted this person via email, asking for
    proof he had the game, and he sent me a few scanned camera photos of the
    game being played on a TV set in a living room (I remember distinctly the
    selection scene of choosing Leon or Elza and the opening areas), but he
    said he wasn't interested in trading or selling it, and that he wouldn't
    burn me an ISO of it either. (This was many computers ago, and sadly, I
    don't have those screens or email contact anymore.)
    In one of my online searches for RE 1.5 in 1999 or 2000, I had been scouting through various IRC channels in the Playstation iso trading scene. (Basically a bunch of people who would mail trade burned isos of PSX titles among others who also played burned isos on their modded playstation consoles, this was back in the 56k dial up days.) I came across a channel called #psxtrade I believe (on either EFnet, DALnet, or Espernet, those were the IRC networks I hung out at back then). I noticed on some people's "list of titles" in the channel they had various beta and prototype games in iso form for trade (such as Thrill Kill for PS1). So, I asked around if anyone knew anyone with a copy of Resident Evil 1.5, and I got a PM response from one of the Main OPs in the channel, as well as from one of the normal regulars, who both told me separately that they had traded a lot for a burned copy of the game from a particular former OP there, whom they were close friends with, and gave me his email address. They wouldn't trade it to me, but told me to contact him. So, I contacted him, asked him for proof, and he sent me a few screenshots of him playing the game on his TV in his living room, it shown the character selection screen, the RPD very beginning rooms, and it looked like the same build or at least same era we have now. He wouldn't trade me the game, and came across as a total asshole. I then spent the next few months pestering the two others from the IRC channel for a burned copy, and they still refused, got all paranoid, and stopped talking to me all together. That experience is what got me so hell bent on playing a copy. So close, but the owner was an asshole, and his friends started ignoring me. This was MANY computers ago, so I don't have the screenshots or email from back then anymore. Whoever the guy was, two of his personal friends of his on IRC got a copy, then clammed up. And since it wasn't leaked until recently, they clearly kept it quiet and all to themselves.
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