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[Wrathborne]

Never thought Fight Club was as epic as everyone said, it was interesting and it was clever but it wasn't the most amazing thing made :/.

[kevstah2004]

Never thought Fight Club was as epic as everyone said, it was interesting and it was clever but it wasn't the most amazing thing made :/.

Fight Club is for retards, irc some game ripped it off too with fractured bone x-rays during gameplay

[Gambit]

Just watched The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo on Netflix. I wasn't expecting it to be any good, but I enjoyed it. I'm curious to see David Fincher's take on the movie. Now I must read the Stieg Larsson novel

[Wrathborne]

Just watched The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo on Netflix. I wasn't expecting it to be any good, but I enjoyed it. I'm curious to see David Fincher's take on the movie. Now I must read the Stieg Larsson novel

Nothing says intrigue like torture, rape, and sexual abuse, fuck these books and the films based on them.-_-

[Alexia_Ashford]

Nothing says intrigue like torture, rape, and sexual abuse, fuck these books and the films based on them.-_-

Yes, all books/films must be happy with nothing wrong in them whatsoever. Everything must be nice, happy happy smiley with rainbow sprinkles on top. Hey Wrathborne, let's go to the cinema to watch Barbie Princess Adventures.

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It is in human nature to find horrific things interesting. That's why most films have people dying in them or things we'd never normally get to see in our lifetime.

[Xander Ashford]

Never thought Fight Club was as epic as everyone said, it was interesting and it was clever but it wasn't the most amazing thing made :/.

To me, Fight Club was more of a generational thing. Friends my age seem to have my general stance on the movie: It is okay, nothing spectacular. Friends that are about two years younger than me think it is a paragon of cinema. It could just be coincidence...

Naussica: Valley of the Wind

Another one of those Disney-released animes, Naussica focuses on a princess trying to unify the remaining humans to save the planet against themselves.

This was good, but out of the "classic" anime movies, I still think Grave of the Fireflies is the best.

[Darkmoon]

Grave of the Fireflies should be a required film for everyone, ever. That one really slams home just how much fun war is.

Naussica is fun too. Studio Ghibli just own people. I do love the tale behind it's release...there's actually another version that was done, and released into English. It was so bad that when another Ghibli movie (Princess Mononoke, I think) was being dubbed and 'cuts' were being talked about, someone from Studio Ghibli sent a katana over with a note saying 'no cuts'.

Nothing like a sword to get a death threat across. 'You fuck my show up again? I will Cut you.'

[Scream]

To me, Fight Club was more of a generational thing. Friends my age seem to have my general stance on the movie: It is okay, nothing spectacular. Friends that are about two years younger than me think it is a paragon of cinema. It could just be coincidence...

Yup my point exactly - like most revolutionary concepts they can only take place at the right time and for the right audience. A 2/3 hour film cannot deliver enough material for such an impact, sorry It's a shame because the movie goes in a very good direction.. At least I'll always remember the feelings it gave me before. Movies out of place/time don't often make sense to others, sadly..

[Wrathborne]

Yes, all books/films must be happy with nothing wrong in them whatsoever. Everything must be nice, happy happy smiley with rainbow sprinkles on top. Hey Wrathborne, let's go to the cinema to watch Barbie Princess Adventures.

You know if you're just going to be a flat out bitch about this I'm gonna call you one.

I never said anything about movies and books having to be happy and since you're acting like a brat about this then that obvious means you like the books, that's fine. I don't.

The difference between us is that I insulted the books subject matter, not the people who like the books. Since you got a wild hair up your ass about this matter I can only assume you must really like the books and feel the need to protect them dearly in case anyone doesn't share your opinion.

Well here's my opinion on the matter: I don't like to see films or read books that have rape, torture or sexual abuse. I can take murder any day of the week, but as a rape victim the aspects of seeing it or reading it make my mood do a 180.

And I have every right to get pissed off about it and say whats on my mind.

Go read your books about this shit all you want Alexia, Its not as interesting as you think.

[Darkmoon]

Alright, allow me to end this argument before it begins. I think more has been read into certain statements than the other person intended. I'm equally sure no one intended to insult anyone else, and will now prove it by acting with dignity.

I'm actually with Wrathborne on this. I'm not a rape victim, but unless it's done very well it's not something for fiction to use. Too many writers use it as a throw away 'look how evil this character is' or a 'you must all feel sympathy for this person, they've been raped.' It does have a place in fiction, as does everything else - I don't especially like car accidents, as my two year old cousin got plowed down by a silver BMW - but it's a subject that needs to be treated with the utmost respect.

Never seen the movies, nor read the books. No idea if it's dealt with well in these tales.

[Wrathborne]

Much oblidged Dark.

[Gambit]

I don't think the film approached the 'he's evil because he raped the character' route so we can hate the character Nils. I just think the director wanted to keep the film gritty and realistic as possible. I appreciate director Oplev not sugarcoating anything. That's the way I like my films. Perhaps the director wanted to remind the audience that rape can happen any day at anytime. And now that you've experienced this scene, or felt as if you were put in Lisbeth's shoes, what now? Does this film make you want to spread the awareness of the subjects that was discussed in the film? And I want to read the book because, well, if there is a novel that was adapted into a film, I would want to compare the two.

Besides, Noomi's portrayal of Lisbeth totally caught on to me. She was fantastic. I don't think anyone should judge a film until they have yet to see it though.

[Darkmoon]

Murder and rape are often used very, very badly in the media. They're throwaway story cards meant to get a short response from the audience - very few do it well enough to make a lasting impact. And that is something they really should do. Both are pretty damned hideous, after all.

I do agree with censorship. There are somethings you never need to see - child rape, for example, springs to mind. It in no way adds to the story. Rape is similar. That the event occurred? Yes, that can have an affect on the plot, characters and such. Do you need to see it? Do you need to hear the screams, see the penetration, watch the tears? Fuck no. It adds nothing but an added level of horror that anyone with an ounce of empathy is already feeling. There are very, very few times when I think it actually added to the story to see it.

And that's in fiction. I never wanna see real life examples of several things, including those mentioned above, although to my misery I have see things that keep me awake at night. Censorship definitively has a place.

Now, if folks wanna keep debating this stuff...without any personal comments...then feel free. Otherwise, let's not comment.

[Gambit]

I think the resolution of this debate will be agreeing to disagree. I don't wish to go too off topic. So with that, I will add another two movies I have recently watched. Fright Night (remake) and Don't be Afraid of the Dark. I enjoyed both

[Alexia_Ashford]

I think the resolution of this debate will be agreeing to disagree. I don't wish to go too off topic.

I agree, which is why I decided to delete my very lengthy response to Wrathborne's post. It is nigh impossible to debate such an issue with someone who is biased due to personal experiences.

[Darkmoon]

We all have our biases. Some people don't like alcohol, some think video games make you fat and lazy, some people don't like immigrants and want them all thrown out for crimes ranging from taking all our jobs/coming here to live on benefit (often at the same time...Thanks, BNP, for THAT brilliant insight), because they all want us to live there way or even they sacrifice our kids (good old fashion accusation for any Jews you might see.)

As bias goes, not thinking rape scenes have a place in a decent story after being raped is pretty reasonable, really.

[kevstah2004]

You have to show them the harshness of life, there's no point mollycoddling them, if you do they'll just find it on their own regardless of what you say.

[Darkmoon]

There's a big difference between mollycoddling and showing something nasty or unpleasant. The example I used when I was talking to Alexia last night was drama involving child abuse. Do you see that shit? No, and no one in there right mind wants to. And yet the dramas are often done fairly well, and help show the hideous fallout that kinda shit can have on someone's life.

It's the same for something like rape. You don't need an explicit shot to see it happened, you don't need to see that stuff to get the message across. Most UK police dramas, for example, don't show rape - they show the aftermath though, and that gets the point across well enough.

How many times could a scene of sexual abuse (or even plain sex) been cut from a film with no real impact on the story or characters? When that happens, it's not dealing with it right and needs cutting. It's not mollycoddling to be rid of it - such stories do need to be told. But they need to be told right, not as light entertainment.

[Alexia_Ashford]

I was just shocked that such things like "snuff" existed. I'd honestly never even heard of it before.

But it eventually led onto a very nice discussion about internet weirdos and DM trying some interesting yoga positions.

[Pikminister]

I remember reading an old interview with Charles Bronson, the famous tough-guy actor from the 70's and 80's. He was asked why his films lacked love/sex scenes. He said that his movies didn't need them. Not because he was being prude about it, but because he felt such scenes were unnecessary and they would slow down the film.

He even mentioned that when he went to the movies with his friends and a love scene would come up, they would go to the lobby and have a smoke. Just to avoid all that "mushy" stuff. So he made sure that there was very little of it in his films.

The point is, what content ends up on film, depends on who makes it.