Silent Hill 1 + Shattered Memories / Silent Hill 3 = WTF?

[Beanovsky Durst]

After playing Shattered Memories (and the ending!) I really wanted to try out the original Silent Hill... Oh man, what a game. I got the Good+ ending which made me extremely happy but completly left me confused.

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So, in the good+ ending, Harry gets a baby from Cheryl+Alessa, which eventually will become Heather from SH3 (haven't played it... yet). So he survives to get killed on SH3. However, after a quick search in YouTube, SH1's bad ending leaves Harry dead on the crash, giving Shattered Memories sense; but leaving SH3 on a fuckfest of canon... So which one is the "official" one???

And don't you find sad that Harry's fate is an awful death anyway?

Also there's the Cheryl stuff from SM (her alive and grown up), since she's supposed to die in the fight of the Good+ ending right? Damn, my head hurts...

[Mr_Zombie]

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No, no, no!

Shattered Memories has nothing to do with SH1 and SH3, it just uses the same concept of dad having a car crash and searching for his daughter, nothing else. That's why creators of the game kept saying that this is not a remake nor a sequel to the original game, but a re-imaging (whatever that means) of Silent Hill 1, that it takes place in a completely different universe. The game gives a node here and there to the old games (especially UFO ending), but that's it. There's no storyline connection here.

[BLSR1]

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Actually Shattered memories makes A LOT of sense with silent hill 1 and even 3. You just have to accept the fact that Cheryl is a Crazy person. In shattered memories you hear about a troubled teenager at the mall that turns out to be Cheryl aka Heather. Silent Hill 3 was just another BS hallucination of Cheryl's. All of the locations in SH3 could easily be in Silent Hill. We see a subway in shattered memories and the town is a lot bigger than we thought. The mall cop that befriended Cheryl could easily be Douglas and his death could be substituted for Harry's in SH3. After douglas died from being stabbed by either Cheryl or even Dahlia, who could have been a fellow trouble maker, Cheryl begins to idolize him and goes on an imaginary adventure with him. Even Silent Hill 2 can be roped in because James could be just as crazy as Cheryl and have his own made up story. There are 2 canons to Silent Hill now. One where Harry survived Silent Hill 1 and the cult stuff is real, and one where Harry died in a car crash and none of that stuff was real. Even though Shattered memories takes the magic out of the series, it shows it from a new perspective. Its really fun to think about it and piece things together.

[riderkid]

or you know what?

say that its totally different people and trade it in for a genesis

[Mr_Zombie]

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Actually Shattered memories makes A LOT of sense with silent hill 1 and even 3. You just have to accept the fact that Cheryl is a Crazy person. In shattered memories you hear about a troubled teenager at the mall that turns out to be Cheryl aka Heather. Silent Hill 3 was just another BS hallucination of Cheryl's. All of the locations in SH3 could easily be in Silent Hill. We see a subway in shattered memories and the town is a lot bigger than we thought. The mall cop that befriended Cheryl could easily be Douglas and his death could be substituted for Harry's in SH3. After douglas died from being stabbed by either Cheryl or even Dahlia, who could have been a fellow trouble maker, Cheryl begins to idolize him and goes on an imaginary adventure with him. Even Silent Hill 2 can be roped in because James could be just as crazy as Cheryl and have his own made up story. There are 2 canons to Silent Hill now. One where Harry survived Silent Hill 1 and the cult stuff is real, and one where Harry died in a car crash and none of that stuff was real. Even though Shattered memories takes the magic out of the series, it shows it from a new perspective. Its really fun to think about it and piece things together.

Don't go there, you're trying too much to connect everything and in the end, you're just stretching things. That way you can even connect RE movies' storyline to RE games' storyline, but that's not the point. Those are different people, different universes. Just few facts:

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In Shattered Memories it turns out that Harry lived in Silent Hill; in SH1/SH3 he just went there on vacation trip.
In Shattered Memories Harry's wife is still living, in SH1 she was already dead by the time Harry and Cheryl went to Silent Hill.
And last, but not least, if you want Silent Hill and Silent Hill 3 to be just Cheryl's hallucination and SH2 to be just Jame's imagination, then what about SH: Origins, SH: Homecoming and SH: The Room, which reference things from SH1, SH2 and SH3?

In UFO ending Kaufman says to Heather "it made more sense when you're talking about cults and demons", but that's just a joke, like the entire ending.

[Beanovsky Durst]

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So it's like a free interpretation from Climax of the Silent Hill (1) story from Cheryl's point of view right? Damn. It's not connected at all to the series, a la Resident Evil Gaiden.

[jagger916]

Fuck, I clicked on the spoilers.

[BLSR1]

Don't go there, you're trying too much to connect everything and in the end, you're just stretching things. That way you can even connect RE movies' storyline to RE games' storyline, but that's not the point. Those are different people, different universes. Just few facts:

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In Shattered Memories it turns out that Harry lived in Silent Hill; in SH1/SH3 he just went there on vacation trip.
In Shattered Memories Harry's wife is still living, in SH1 she was already dead by the time Harry and Cheryl went to Silent Hill.
And last, but not least, if you want Silent Hill and Silent Hill 3 to be just Cheryl's hallucination and SH2 to be just Jame's imagination, then what about SH: Origins, SH: Homecoming and SH: The Room, which reference things from SH1, SH2 and SH3?

In UFO ending Kaufman says to Heather "it made more sense when you're talking about cults and demons", but that's just a joke, like the entire ending.

Now you just being Ignant.

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You have to come to terms with two facts.
The first fact is that there are two canons. One that follows the Good ending of SH1 and one that follows the Bad ending.

The second fact is that in the Bad ending canon everything that happened in silent hill 1 was made up. This renders your first two points useless. Cheryl hates her mother (who is dahlia) and makes her the villain of her story.


Now about your other point. SH 0, SH 2, SH 4, and SH H ALL STAR CRAZY PEOPLE!!!1!!!111!!
Travis: Parental Issues
James: Horney Psychopath
SH4: Apparent Schizophrenia and isolation
Alex: Post traumatic stress
Their adventures could easily be hallucinations. Silent hill games always have a dreamlike setting so its not a big stretch.
Now about the connections to the plot of SH1 found in Origins, the Room, and Homecoming. These belong in the Good Ending Cannon where Silent Hill actually is a cult infested hunted demon town.

Its really not hard to connect the plots. Silent Hill is an abstract game. You could easily say the UFO endings are canon. Its fun and I resent your comments about RE. Why can't two games cooexist peacefully? Why do you have to be a horrible person LET THE PLOTS LIVE IN PEACE

[Cuz7ate9:(]

Shattered Memories (beside being a Silent Hill game) has no connections to any of the prior games, or the original. It was merely adapted from the original story, with Konami using the same characters, overall plot, and most of the same ideas. Kind of like how The Dark Knight is a modern take on Batman, Shattered Memories is not canon and does not tie in anywhere...

[BLSR1]

Did you even play it till the end?

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Its a sequel and directly ties into the "Bad" ending of SH1. The "bad" ending of SH1 is Harry lying dead in his wrecked car in the real world.

[Canas Renvall]

^ Except Climax themselves have stated that it has nothing to do with any of the previous SH games. They said it's completely separate from SH1, a total reimagining with no connections to the first game.

[Harry Mason]

I played this and agree that the story has nothing to do with the cannon Silent Hill. Did enjoy it though, the nightmare sequences were stupid but the story, exploration and puzzles were nice the doctor was overacted a bit too much Spoiler:

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throwing his glass at the end

but the UFO ending was the best in the series to date.

[BLSR1]

^ Except Climax themselves have stated that it has nothing to do with any of the previous SH games.

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because it does tie directly into the bad ending of SH1.

I could care less what climax says. Shattered Memories was a very clever game and has a lot more depth than you are admitting. Its fun to connect the plots so im going to keep on doing it.

[Darkmoon]

Well, the thing about that one would be;

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The Bad ending isn't cannon. We know Harry makes it out of Silent Hill due to Silent Hill 3. It's one of the few times we do know the ending of a Silent Hill game because certain events must have preceded it. Therefore, Climax isn't contradicting itself. It's simply linking to a non-canon ending.

It's like the GameBoy visual novel. The ending where Possesed Cybil kills Dahlia and leads Harry of into a nightmare, or the scene where Harry calls his own phone number only to have himself answer (and in that ending receive said phonecall during the ending) are awesome little bits, but they aren't canon.

Besides, you can't really say you're ignoring what the makers of the game said because the game they made is awesome. Sorta doesn't work.

[Cuz7ate9:(]

Them saying it's not a remake is kind of bogus. They just remade it and gave it a new name. I suppose Friday the 13th and Halloween were not remakes either, then, despite re-inventing the whole concept of Myers and Voorhees?

[Branden_Lucero]

Shattered Memories is like Back to the Future II. uses an alternate time line to see how events could of happened in another way, but because its alternative doesn't mean it follows the actual tie in to the actual events that have occurred before.

sounds like its more of a coincidence that shattered memories ties in to it, when in actuality it doesn't, from what the devs have said that it wouldn't.

but then again, Climax hasn't done a good job on story telling or connectivity.

[Beanovsky Durst]

Shattered Memories is like Back to the Future II. uses an alternate time line to see how events could of happened in another way, but because its alternative doesn't mean it follows the actual tie in to the actual events that have occurred before.

sounds like its more of a coincidence that shattered memories ties in to it, when in actuality it doesn't, from what the devs have said that it wouldn't.

but then again, Climax hasn't done a good job on story telling or connectivity.

Yup, I bet on this too. A sort of "what if" scenario. I still have to play SH3 to fully understand how all is developed. But I don't have a PS2 or a decent gaming computer so I'm kind of screwed. However SH2 runs smoothly on my PC, and I've heard it's the best of the SH series so I'll give it a shot sooner or later.

[Branden_Lucero]

i love the 2nd one. isn't it ironic that its the only one i don't have, yet its my favorite in the series?

[Cuz7ate9:(]

If you get it, get the Director's Cut. I recommend getting the original release, too, because the making of DVD is so cool.

[randomwab]

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because it does tie directly into the bad ending of SH1.

Very late to the party here, but I just wanted to add that in loose terms it connects, but thinking about it....

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Harry was not married to Dahlia and Cheryl was not his biological daughter in the original, unless you're trying to say these were all fantasies of the dying Harry. That's very possible I guess, but I think it'd fall on the specific ending each player received. I got the "Family man" ending, so it doesn't really fit for me personally.

I do agree with you though, it's fun to try and place SM into the already existing plotline. But it all has to be viewed in much broader strokes. You can't get specific with the details or they won't all fit, like how Resident Evil's story has ended up.