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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilBringer View Post
    Wesker took Steve - his fate is unknown.
    He took Steve's dead body.


    Wesker's Report insisted Wesker got Sherry
    It isn't Canon and references Gaiden in the same sentence...

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonElder View Post
    I have to agree about the Co-op refreshing RE. I would have much rather seen the original RE5 they had planned. When Chris was solo, there was tyrants involved and I think the story was much better.

    According to (I think) The Art of RE5 the reason the Tyrant idea was scrapped was because it detracted from the threat of Wesker and Uroboros, co-op had little to do with it (why would co-op force remove a Tyrant?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KylieDog View Post
    He took Steve's dead body.




    It isn't Canon and references Gaiden in the same sentence...




    According to (I think) The Art of RE5 the reason the Tyrant idea was scrapped was because it detracted from the threat of Wesker and Uroboros, co-op had little to do with it (why would co-op force remove a Tyrant?).
    Wesker tells Claire directly that Steve could return and it's more just assumed he's dead - it's never actually said. Futhermore, Wesker and Ada (and Krauser) all appeared dead at one point, didn't they? In truth we have no idea of Steve's fate as we don't know what the virus in him was capable of.

    And what Gaiden reference was in that exact sentence? Maybe I missed it but I never caught a direct reference to Gaiden... and what (aside from the questionable possible reference) made Wesker's Report non-canon? REmake, Zero, Chronicles, the files on RE5 all support the events in Wesker's Report... in fact, the only thing in that video that isn't now resolved is Sherry. Which brings this back to my first post...

    SIDE-NOTE: I am refering to the first Wesker's Report - not II or "Extra Report" (which is the one I think you are refering to). The canon of Extra Report (or even Gaiden - which I personally never considered Canon but never saw proof either way) has nothing to do with the original Wesker's Report which (although has some video errors) has always been canon. OR you are refering to Leon and the anti-Umbrella comment which still has no direct connection to Gaiden as much as the role Leon was planned to have after RE2 (even SURVIVOR) touched upon Leon being in that group. That more implies that idea was dropped for RE4 just like Wesker working for someone else. Doesn't mean Leon didn't go all anti-Umbrella between games or Wesker wasn't working for a rival company during Veronica - it just means more happened in between that could be told in future crappy rail shooters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDevilBringer View Post
    Lot of people seem to be forgetting unresolved storylines like Sherry and Steve - both could be told in one game and Wesker's role could easily come in the form of flashbacks used to expand on what he did with them. I, personally, don't hate RE4 or 5 because the series was getting stale after so many games (seriously - giant Scorpions, bats, frogs, and zombie monkeys all appeared in the same game). That being said, love it or hate it, Co-Op freshened RE5 a bit but another overhaul has to happen with 6. And that's probably why TriCell is pasted all over in the last act. That still didn't get resolved yet, either.
    There is no loose ends so to speak of. Pretty much all the questions have been answered now in one form or another.

    1. Sherry.
    Wesker never took her. This plot point was dropped by Capcom following the re-direction of Resident Evil 4 and so Wesker's line about having Sherry in his hands was dropped from the 10th anniversary re-release of Wesker's Report. This was resolved finally in Inside of Darkside Chronicles when it was stated she was in government care but Wesker had spies in the government so he could get access to her if he needed to. Seeing as she never showed up again, guess he didn't need her.

    2. Steve.
    Steve is dead, end of. Not sure why anyone thought he was going to come back. T-veronica doesn't revive the dead and is not related to the prototype virus Wesker took. Wesker's line to Claire was just a taunt, nothing more. If he ever was to return it would have been in Op Javier. The only 're-appearance' he has ever made was that the sample Wesker took from his body was the one he sold to Javier Hidalgo.

    3. The Organization.
    Unimportant. The group who Ada belongs to, probably a faction of the government. Wesker never joined them. Archives 2 confirms once and for all that Ada is on the good side of things so this group is unlikely to come into play in any major form. Ada joined The Organization sometime after the events of RE2. The G-Virus recovery op was for another group. The Org had an interest in Wesker but they stopped monitoring him after his 'death' in 2006.

    4. The 3rd Organization.
    Pharmaceutical company that is a rival to Umbrella. Wesker joined them directly after the mansion incident. Very active in the B.O.W. market whose products include Hunter II, Sweeper and Jabberwock S3. By 2004 Wesker is at the head of the company and re-recruits Ada Wong full-time which leads into the events of RE4. Although Ada accepts Wesker's offer, she remains loyal to her true employers {The Organization).
    Wesker obviously severs his ties with the 3rd Org after his 'death' in 2006 where he allies himself with Tricell full time. They are unlikely to return as if they were of any importance I'm sure he would never have left them in the first place.

    5. RE4/5 Las Plagas issue.
    Ada sent Wesker a regular subbordinate plaga sample and sent the Control Plaga to her own employers. There is no fake or modified sample.
    Wesker was half anticipating this betrayal and later collected a dead Control Plaga through 'other means' most likely the body of Krauser. This dead control plaga was delivered to Tricell and used to create the Type 3 Plagas.


    The only lingering thing is this whole Alex Wesker element. Whether that returns in RE6 or will simply be ignored is anyone's guess.

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    RE5 contradicts that retrieving a dead plaga nonsense.

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    Whether they revive one of the previously mentioned plot points or not (it's pointless to debate any "resolution" as the series has no problem re-writing history for each entry) - TriCell is heavily placed throughout the last act of RE5 and there is still story to be told their, as well. And Wesker may be gone but characters like Ada Wong and Hunk can also easily be brought back to forward the plot. My point was always that people are jumping the gun about this story and even with Wesker dead Capcom can easily use him again with past arcs that went nowhere without bringing him back from the dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KylieDog View Post
    RE5 contradicts that retrieving a dead plaga nonsense.
    Why exactly?

    Wesker still provided them with a live sample in the subbordinate plaga. Archives 2 speciifically states that the modified plaga used to create Type 3 was done by inserting a gene from the dead control plaga.

    Whether they revive one of the previously mentioned plot points or not (it's pointless to debate any "resolution" as the series has no problem re-writing history for each entry) - TriCell is heavily placed throughout the last act of RE5 and there is still story to be told their, as well. And Wesker may be gone but characters like Ada Wong and Hunk can also easily be brought back to forward the plot. My point was always that people are jumping the gun about this story and even with Wesker dead Capcom can easily use him again with past arcs that went nowhere without bringing him back from the dead.
    Sure they can be re-written and re-visited but the point is they would have done so by now. Both the Steve and Sherry issues are over a decade old now and so the answers provided by supplemental material are probably the best we're going to get.
    You are right about both Ada and Hunk and it looks as though Revelations will answer at least one of these questions but I think the whole point of RE5 and the killing of Wesker was so the series could move forward and start afresh, even though Capcom seem to have gone back on this by releasing two prequels!

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    TriCell is the fresh start that can keep a relevant connection to the past. I agree most of those arcs are very old now but that means little since the series isn't popping out sequels like they used to. The Chris/Wesker arc was very old but did get resolution. Of the major players, Claire is due for another entry - if she were to return, the Sherry/Steve arcs would both become relevant. I mean, last she saw Wesker he mentioned Steve - maybe it was just a taunt... but if she got a message allegedly from him it would easily work to resolve the arcs that in-game saw no true resolution. I'd, personally, rather the next outing follow TriCell plot but re-activating the storylines that were breezed over outside of the actual games would easily give more motivation for the returning hero(es).

    And even though the storylines or characters involved are old - it doesn't stop all the speculation when the games are coming out. I remember people theorizing Sherry was in RE4 when images of Ashley came out and then again throughout the weeks leading to RE5 people thought that random blonde woman was her even though it'd make no sense to resolve the Sherry story with Chris rather than Claire (or Leon to a lesser extent). And then look at Hunk about to make his way to REVELATIONS when his story hasn't been relevant since RE2 either (although he has appeared as a unlockable character since) and that was simply an unlockable minigame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBatMan View Post
    Why exactly?

    Wesker still provided them with a live sample in the subbordinate plaga. Archives 2 speciifically states that the modified plaga used to create Type 3 was done by inserting a gene from the dead control plaga.

    Archives II is the only thing running with the dead plaga idea so sourcing a contrdiction in one part to justify a contradiction in another does nothing.

    RE5 tells us black market, Irvin's note seems to suggest he was the one to get them.

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    One of the files in LIN suggests it was Ada who gave Irving the Las Plagas sample, if I recall correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KylieDog View Post
    Archives II is the only thing running with the dead plaga idea sosourcing a criction in one part to justify a contradiction in another does nothing.
    RE5 tells us black market, Irvin's note seems to suggest he was the one to get them.
    They were from wesker. Remember excella's line 'I was surprised las plagas was such a success, when u first arrived i had my doubts.' Irving later put them on the black market to generate funding 4 uroboros. I doubt Ada went through all the hassle of re4 and blow her cover with wesker to stop him getting his hands on them then put them on the black market anyway. The field test file in 5 also mentions the control plaga gene.

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