Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City

[Smiley]

Capcom's more than welcome to surprise me on this one. But I'm not going to hold my breath in anticipation either.

[Archelon]

I had no idea ORC was part of the main series. Please tell me more.

This is still as much of a cop out as it was the first few times you tried to pass it off as a justifiable defense.

The only difference that one game being a spinoff and another being a mainline title makes is when comparing the quality and/or production values of the titles. If Resident Evil 6 had the exact same gameplay as ORC, there is no reason for you not to enjoy it as much as, if not more than, you enjoyed ORC. One being a spinoff and the other being a main series installment doesn't make a bit of difference.

Trying to claim that it does just gives you an excuse to piss and moan about a game that most people are genuinely looking forward to while praising and defending another game that has been almost universally panned.

[Smiley]

You seem to have difficulty categorizing spin off from main entry. My outlook on that has not and will not change just because you prefer to blend them all together.

It's like the last topic where you tried to use this against me. You failed to give me any kind of valid reason for why I should like RE6 based on ORC. I like Darkside Chronicles which is another spin off in the RE series. That doesn't suggest I want RE6 to be a rail shooter. And if it was I would be just as irritated that it went in that direction.

Another example I gave on the last topic was Metal Gear Rising and Metal Gear Ac!d. One's preference or outlook on those games shouldn't suggest that MGS5 be a card based game or a hack'n'slash action game. To argue that it should means you have tunnel vision.

It's always been absurd to think that liking a spin off means you want the main series to mimic exactly that. If that's considered a cop-out it's not exactly a strong one. But feel free to make your case on that.

[shanemurphy]

The difference between the quality of a main entry and spin off is clear as day. Now I'm sure Darkside didn't have a huge budget but I thought the talent of the team did a great job with it, but the same quality as a main series installment? no never. Even if RE5 might not have been a quality Resident Evil, but as a game it reeked of quality, right down to the small details.

Resident Evil 6 has over 600 developers working on it so I think that is a clear indication of the budget difference between ORC and RE6 lol besides I just like Japanese made games a whole lot more so that is always a starting plus for me personally.

[News Bot]

You seem to have difficulty categorizing spin off from main entry. My outlook on that has not and will not change just because you prefer to blend them all together.

It's like the last topic where you tried to use this against me. You failed to give me any kind of valid reason for why I should like RE6 based on ORC. I like Darkside Chronicles which is another spin off in the RE series. That doesn't suggest I want RE6 to be a rail shooter. And if it was I would be just as irritated that it went in that direction.

Another example I gave on the last topic was Metal Gear Rising and Metal Gear Ac!d. One's preference or outlook on those games shouldn't suggest that MGS5 be a card based game or a hack'n'slash action game. To argue that it should means you have tunnel vision.

It's always been absurd to think that liking a spin off means you want the main series to mimic exactly that. If that's considered a cop-out it's not exactly a strong one. But feel free to make your case on that.

That's not what Archelon is saying, though. You're literally calling BH6 a bad game for being more action-focused, then saying that ORC is a good game for the same reason. It is completely irrelevant whether they are a spin-off or mainline title. You're the only one who brings that up.

Calling any of the mainline titles in the series "bad" is pretty laughable to begin with.

[Smiley]

Exactly although I don't think it matters how many developers you can have. I've seen even a small group make a quality title.

That's not what Archelon is saying, though. You're literally calling BH6 a bad game for being more action-focused, then saying that ORC is a good game for the same reason. It is completely irrelevant whether they are a spin-off or mainline title. You're the only one who brings that up.

Calling any of the mainline titles in the series "bad" is pretty laughable to begin with.

When did I say the game was bad? I haven't played it.

ORC was good because as a squad based shooter it delivered on what was intended while being in the realm of Resident Evil. RE6 is not a squad based shooter. It's a main entry in a long running series of survival horror games that intends to extend the action to its fullest. Seemingly more so than what we've seen to date. So while the game might be fun, its place alongside the main series is as of now iffy.

[News Bot]

When did I say the game was bad? I haven't played it.

"Crippling the franchise" and generally being negative before you actually know anything is pretty much attempting to point out it's a bad game. Or "bad RE game" or whatever other cop-out.

[Smiley]

"Crippling the franchise" and generally being negative before you actually know anything is pretty much attempting to point out it's a bad game. Or "bad RE game" or whatever other cop-out.

I do think from what I've seen and heard about the game that it's a departure from the main series. Impressions are always going to be made about a product from the trailers, leaks, and marketing. But I've yet to say the game itself is bad. Even better is that I already stated that I'm more than happy for Capcom to surprise me. If the game turns out to be better than I anticipated I'll be more than happy to sing its praises.

[News Bot]

I do think from what I've seen and heard about the game that it's a departure from the main series. Impressions are always going to be made about a product from the trailers, leaks, and marketing. But I've yet to say the game itself is bad. Even better is that I already stated that I'm more than happy for Capcom to surprise me. If the game turns out to be better than I anticipated I'll be more than happy to sing its praises.

So you agree that comments such as "crippling the franchise" are nonsense? It's no more of a "departure" than the three main games before it.

[Smiley]

Where did I agree to that?

You seem to think that just because I find it to be an outcast on the main series over all that I automatically believe the game is all around bad.

[News Bot]

Where did I agree to that?

You seem to think that just because I find it to be an outcast on the main series over all that I automatically believe the game is all around bad.

So you are going to cling to ridiculously wrong, hyperbolic nonsense? Fair enough.

[Smiley]

Apparently that's always the case when talking with you go figure. But then again a main RE sequel can apparently do no wrong. To even think the idea of one to be bad is unheard of I guess. But no, I reserve final judgement on RE6 till I actually have time to play it. Same as everyone else. Doesn't stop me from giving my input based on trailers and marketing. Going back to ORC, the topic at hand, I seem to remember a certain user who was all up in arms about his distaste for ORC making rash claims before the game was out, and followed it to the very end.

[News Bot]

Apparently that's always the case when talking with you go figure. But then again a main RE sequel can apparently do no wrong. To even think the idea of one to be bad is unheard of I guess. But no, I reserve final judgement on RE6 till I actually have time to play it. Same as everyone else. Doesn't stop me from giving my input based on trailers and marketing. Going back to ORC, the topic at hand, I seem to remember a certain user who was all up in arms about his distaste for ORC making rash claims before the game was out, and followed it to the very end.

I think the fact that I'm not the only one who has pointed out your babble is evidence enough that maybe you might be a little bit wrong, or at the very least cranking up the hyperbole for no other reason than to bitch.

And yes, none of the mainline games are objectively bad. You may not like the particular gameplay style, but they are all well-designed and solid games. And if "a certain user" is referring to me, that would probably be because ORC is exactly what I said it was going to be from the very beginning. There wasn't much to see regarding that game, and in reality, it turned out worse than I ever thought it would. Not sure what you're trying to say there other than the fact that my "rash claims" (what claims?) were totally vindicated in the end. On the other hand, BH6 is a much bigger game made by far more experienced, better and proven developers, and very little has been seen so far, and you like to attack it at every turn for frankly laughable reasons that you've been called out on for by a few people now.

[Archelon]

That's not what Archelon is saying, though. You're literally calling BH6 a bad game for being more action-focused, then saying that ORC is a good game for the same reason. It is completely irrelevant whether they are a spin-off or mainline title. You're the only one who brings that up.

This man.

He gets it.

[ugh]

i agree with smiley

[Smiley]

I think the fact that I'm not the only one who has pointed out your babble is evidence enough that maybe you might be a little bit wrong, or at the very least cranking up the hyperbole for no other reason than to bitch.

And yes, none of the mainline games are objectively bad. You may not like the particular gameplay style, but they are all well-designed and solid games. And if "a certain user" is referring to me, that would probably be because ORC is exactly what I said it was going to be from the very beginning. There wasn't much to see regarding that game, and in reality, it turned out worse than I ever thought it would. Not sure what you're trying to say there other than the fact that my "rash claims" (what claims?) were totally vindicated in the end. On the other hand, BH6 is a much bigger game made by far more experienced, better and proven developers, and very little has been seen so far, and you like to attack it at every turn for frankly laughable reasons that you've been called out on for by a few people now.

You never used "other people disagree with me" to influence you in the past. Why bother with it now on me? Oh wait. Cause it's ORC and you disagree with me too. Convenient. Although having a user say they agree with me is nice.

I'm sure your standards for objectively determining whether a game is bad or not is just fine and dandy so I'll let that slide and assure you that a "bigger" game doesn't always equate to a better one.

This man.

He gets it.

Even if we were to take out any notion of spin off and main game then my examples are still on the table. Looking forward to Rising doesn't mean I should expect or encourage MGS5 to break from its series' stealth based game play and become an action hack'n'slash. The same of course factors to ORC and RE6 in terms of game design.

I'll be sure to let you guys plug RE6 more because even though ORC is the name of the game for this topic I'd love to know what you are all interested in for this main sequel.

[News Bot]

You were the one who "plugged" BH6. Not one person was talking about it until you decided to bring it up for the sake of showing how negative you are towards it. You got called out on that. Don't throw in hyperbole at every opportunity if you don't want people disagreeing with you.

[AsteroidBlues]

Don't pick on Smiley too much, he's just afraid that RE6 is going to blow his mind when he's already made it public that he'll hate it. If we're not careful, we may drive him to playing RE6 in the closet, hiding from the world and his shame. Don't drive him to that lowly state.

[Smiley]

Being open to the game surprising me is just another way of saying I hate it? I did not know that, but it sounds interesting. Just like plugging a game that I apparently said was bad.

But I love being called out on things I guess I must have said. Meanwhile, I'm still enjoying the irony all around. Until I see a good reason why RE6 is that amazing of a game consider me skeptical. Till then ORC is out and I've seen it deliver as a squad based shooter set in Raccoon City.

[News Bot]

You brought it up out of nowhere, just to say that it is "crippling the franchise". Sorry, but that's not "being open". You're free to backpedal all you want and change your original intention, but that's what you said. You're the only one continuing the argument with really bizarre logic, everyone has pointed out your initial fallacy and accepted whatever you're trying to say. Don't bring up how irrational it is that people are discussing BH6 when you are the one who brought it up for the sake of being negative, not skeptical, outright bitchy over literally nothing. It's getting sad at this point.