RE Operations Raccoon City & RE Revelations Gamers Day 2011 Update 2

[Smiley]

You hate the films? Good news, you can still play the game and take comfort knowing no one can turn that experience into a 90 minute failure. Also, for what it's worth, it is very clear that the games popularity has managed to increase a lot since the films have made the series more known to even non-gamers over the years and that's not a bad thing.

I'd say RE4 paved the way for the series popularity and the third person shooter genre before I would say the movies. And while it had a few movie references sprinkled in the game did well on its own being the first RE game to not use zombies. I should also mention that outside of RE5 the launch games with the most success were the first three RE games on playstation. It's not as though the series had only gained popularity just because the movies existed.

Romero's draft that's all over the net was also written in 1998. How many games have released since then? The script might not have been the best thing he's written but if you looked at the first two RE games as his source material can you really blame the man? Even RE enthusiasts like yours truly know the original game script has some pretty silly dialogue.

As far as the movies are concerned the only reason I see them as successful is a mixture of the gaming community alongside people who do just want to see a popcorn flick. It's pure trash, but entertaining enough to find an audience out there. I like zombies and watching people fight evil corporations. Whether the movie is bad or not doesn't reflect going out to the movies with friends and having fun with it or at how bad it is.

We've seen lots of things that deviate and still end up successful. The Dexter TV series. Kubrick's take on the Shining being a few of my favorites. What they leave out from the source material they make up for in other areas be it good writing or memorable characters.

When I saw the first RE movie I was entertained but couldn't remember a single character's name in that flick. They were generic nameless characters that died off and "that chick from the 5th element".

Now a days the more game elements they toss in the easier it is to pick apart. The loveable and supportive comrade Nicholai.



Carlos "I spelled his last name wrong" Olivera.



Chris Scofield.



Some girl in the back named Jill or something.



Chairman Wesker.



And then as far as movie characters go we've got Mike Epps.



Johnny Cage...



Not Jason Issacs...



And Sarah Conner.



All these "interesting" characters that needed to be in the movie over legitimate game characters. I wasn't expecting Jill to push a crate for 90 minutes. But you got to expect the characters you grew up with in some form of plot reminiscent of the earlier games.

[TheDevilBringer]

Wow, you sir fail.

First off you're defending Hollywood for not trying and blaming it on gameplay length. Length has very little to do with it, especially when the original RE games length was between 3-4 hrs, and about 30 minutes of that is backtracking,loading screens, and puzzles.


The story is shorter than the gameplay so that argument is shot.

Second, Filmakers don't do direct adaptations because they cant? Bullshit. Filmakers are able to do whatever they want as long as the studio gives them an Ok.

People like Kevin Tancharoen who are fans and do stuff independently can prove that their vision closer to the source material is what the fans really want, which is why after his MK web series he was hired to write and direct the new MK film reboot.

Hollywood is bound to its audience for better or worse which is usually what we end up with.

Next saying Hollywood is telling their own story with nods to the game....I just said that. You didnt listen and chose to tell me what I already said.

Fourth, Anderson was hired because he distanced himself from the material? Wrong. Anderson was hired before he had a draft written because he was the only hollywood director who had a video game adaptation that was considered a real success at the time.

Fifth Yes, Romeros script was pretty bad. But we dont know what draft the one released on the net was. Its there to read, and we all know its pretty iffy, but it could have just been draft 1 or 2. And those barely count as anything more but a possible plotline with lots of detail. I know the screenwriting process well enough to say that.

Sixth, Capcom has no real say in the films developments or stories at all. They signed the rights over to a film production company with a few small rules and the company makes the choices on its own.

So now that we've gone over what I've said twice now because you chose to ignore it the first time around, The reason you think that Filmmakers don't do direct adaptions is just your opinion on the matter. But its your opinion, not a fact. I've heard several facts on why Hollywood doesnt do it from friends who work in the industry as well as in interviews.

Bottom line is that Hollywood just wants the brand.

As long as they put out something that says Resident Evil put in a few zombies, titties, and explosions people will watch it.
It takes less time and dedication and is faster to make than a real film. We all know its true because they're making a 5th film while we argue.

End rant nao.

Wow. I didn't point it out last time because most of your argument seemed to stem from your hatred towards the films so I assumed you weren't thinking clearly - but these films weren't made in Hollywood. I'm not defending anyone - I'm just using logic to consider the facts. You remember the first Street Fighter film? It had all the characters in the correct outfits and tried to incorporate the "plot" from the game. How did that work? And you're wrong about opinions versus facts - we both have our own opinions on these films; I haven's actually shared mine. But it isn't an opinion that filmmakers don't do direct adaptations as it is a fact that they haven't managed to ever pull one off even when they tried (in terms of games, books have gotten a lot closer).

You can continue to whine about Hollywood or this or that rather then listen to reason but, honestly, it sounds like most people on this forum just want something to complain about. Seriously, it's bad that RE is popular now? If the 4th game didn't make the sales it did Capcom was going to stop distributing outside of Japan. And RE4 did do amazing but the films were released before it and did help get more attention on the game series. Either way, I've said my peace but most people would rather complain without any rational thought then actually consider everything involved. And I mean no disrespect to anyone that may have made a point in a response that I missed but when a huge rant about "evil Hollywood" goes on and on and on - it's pointless to discuss it anymore as that is just an argument for argument's sake. No validity in any of it.

[alexdz]

If the 4th game didn't make the sales it did Capcom was going to stop distributing outside of Japan.

Suuuuuure they would.

[Pikminister]

"it does not conflict with the canon"

bullshit.

Dude, they did say:

...and a lot of which did conflict with canon

So there you go.

The only problem I have with ORC is that it shifted the threat factor away from the legendary Raccoon City zombie/virus outbreak that we all know, and placed it almost entirely on a bunch of Umbrella Operatives. So instead of doing what they did in the original game (trying to deal with a zombie infestation and hoping to survive it), Leon & Claire now have to deal with ppl trying to kill them. As if anyone knew their true potential back in those days.

But that's not really an issue. Since this is a "what-if" type of game. So why complain about something tha they have made pretty obvious.

EDIT: NEW ORC interview:

"Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City is an interesting step for Capcom" said Jones. "Resident Evil has traditionally been a survival/horror franchise and a little bit slower-paced, a little meatier in a horror type of game. Operation Racoon City is much more of an action sort-of third-person gameplay experience."

Jones says they're making the game for fans of the series who prefer more action-packed games and he points out that action is the way the R.E. games have been going in recent years anyways.

"Resident Evil 4 and 5 actually took Resident Evil survivor/horror gameplay a little closer to action TPS gameplay, but we've always been asked by fans to make a fully-fledged TPS action game," Jones explained.

SOURCE: http://www.news10.net/entertainment/...sponse-to-fans

[Wrathborne]

Listen to reason? I already stated reason you're just focusing on one aspect of my argument and beating it like a dead horse and using it to praise Hollywood for making the games known to a wider audience.

I never said anything about Hollywood being evil, I did say that they're lazy.

Since you dont seem to be able to look beyond the bare bones of what I'm saying even though I broke everything down, your argument is invalid.

[PracticalAl]

No plans for ORC beta:
http://i.joystiq.com/2011/11/03/capc...oon-city-beta/

[Darkmoon]

Of course there is. It's called the 'retail release' and we get to pay to test it out and then they patch it so it works! Works well with other games...

[Wrathborne]

Mass Left4dead stress tests and glitch hunts! Worked for Valve!

[News Bot]

Dude, they did say:

So there you go.

Actually, he says immediately afterwards that they have since changed the stuff that contradicts canon and it is now supposedly fully canon. Heh.

[Pikminister]

Actually, he says immediately afterwards that they have since changed the stuff that contradicts canon and it is now supposedly fully canon. Heh.

He did? then Jones is so full of it then... fully canon he said? Holy crap.

I guess Jones is trying to become Paul W.S. Anderson Jr.

[News Bot]

That's what I got from it. Basically he says they had a lot of ideas that contradicted the canon, but they've "gone down a long road" or some shit and have fixed them while supervised by CAPCOM Japan (who deserve just as much criticism if they are so blind).

EDIT: "But's it's been a long road that we had to pave with Slant Six to come up with the scenario and campaign that we did. But it's Capcom Japan-approved, fits into the timeline, fits into the story, it does not conflict with the canon, and you can play it in a way that does not disrupt Resident Evil 2 or 3 at all."

Obviously... bullshit.

[Pikminister]

Some recent news about ORC:

Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City expectations lowered

Capcom has been aware that its in-progress fiscal year won't match last year's lofty numbers, and thus far, the publisher has not been wrong. However, it appears as if even its reserved projections for this year may miss their mark, as the publisher today revealed lowered sales expectations for Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City.

In an earnings report addendum issued today, Capcom said that it now expects to sell 2 million units of Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City. That's down from May, when Capcom projected sales of 2.5 million units for the Slant Six-developed game. Capcom did not indicate a reason for the sales projection revision.

source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/residen...owered-6344502

[Archelon]

Oh I can think of a few reasons.

[Dracarys]

That is expected sales for this year, game was pushed back so it isn't gonna sell as much with less time and not get second shipments. If it does 2 million first shipment that is still great.

Mercs 3D must have made good money with 400k shipments.

[Pikminister]

Oh I can think of a few reasons.

Oh, there really is just 1 reason... that its not canon.

[Smiley]

Nah, haven't you been following up on the latest? It is canon after all. At least I still have the luxury of killing Leon.

[Pikminister]

Nah, haven't you been following up on the latest? It is canon after all. At least I still have the luxury of killing Leon.

Oh yeah.... just read a few pages of that ORC thread.... have to admit that both sides are making good points on that.

But it seems that the debate still rages on... it ain't over yet.

[Darkmoon]

The only way it'll ever be over (even after the game's release) is if someone from Capcom (and preferably Capcom Japan, given some of the...interesting statements to come out of Capcom US) comes out and say, 'Yes, the game replaces previously established canon, especially over writing the guidebooks and such' or 'no, it's an alternatively reality view of how things would have been different if the Wolfpack had been sent in as well as USS and UBCS forces.'

[Reston]

And knowing Capcom, that will not happen. Who knows what is to be considered canon or not anymore. Example would be RE - REmake - and Umbrella Chronicles. Three similiar stories of the mansion incident with some minor changes including Jill being partnered up with Chris. Now obviously the people on this forum know what to consider canon and what not but to the non-RE hardcore fan it's slightly different. The same could be said with RE2/RE3 - REUC/REDC and now ORC. We all know that we're gonna take some elements that does not contradict the original versions and consider it canon. However there will be those who considered UC/DC to be canon and there are those who will see ORC as a total remake of the events from RE2/RE3.

It basically comes down to personal opinion. Capcom says one thing now and then do something else different. They have a history of playing this game with customers/fans. And then you need to wait for a future game to talk about previous events/games to discover what is official and what is not. And finally, who is to say that somewhere down the line that Capcom does not go out of their way and "rework" that story. <--- It's a hot mess.

[Smiley]

All I know is if I keep seeing more pics of the new movie I'm going to laugh myself to death just like the weasels in 'Roger Rabbit'