Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City Japan Debut Sales & NECA Figures

[Mr. Spencer]

Brand power is everything.

[Wrathborne]

RE movies are proof of that.

[Zombie]

Really shocked by the sales.

[News Bot]

Really shocked by the sales.

There isn't always a direct correlation between sales numbers and quality. Brand name can do a lot.

[Mrox2]

There isn't always a direct correlation between sales numbers and quality. Brand name can do a lot.

Like
Someone : OMG Look new RE Game i heard they are good , lets get it !
Someone : Oh i have to get it because im a fan
Someone : Just to add it to my collection , wont bother playing it ...
Someone : OMG Mr.X ! this looks nice @_@ !!

And so on , yes name does boost sales , they could have called the game just "Operation Raccoon City" but they knew it would fail then ...

[Dracarys]

Disproven by Revelations sales.

Nice warp of reality here. RE some people do not like sells well = "Selling on RE name only" RE game they like sells badly "RE name does not sell, blame 3DS!"

[Canas Renvall]

^ Nobody's saying a theory is 100% correct. And as was explained earlier, yes, the brand name has a lot to do with it. Do you truthfully believe that a game is going to sell as well on a single year-to-two-year-old handheld with a brand name as opposed to two home consoles out for 6 or 7 years?

Granted, it does say something that Revelations did poorly, but that's also because people got pissed at Capcom because once they sold Mercs 3D with the save file fiasco, they literally admitted it was more or less a glorified paid demo. They said that. To the fans.

People were very unhappy. And used their wallets to prove it.

Edit: It's also why RE4 sold more on PS2 than Gamecube. It was wildly inferior at a technical and graphical level, but it still overpowered the GC in sales. Because the fanbase was much larger.

[Beanovsky Durst]

Disproven by Revelations sales.

Nice warp of reality here. RE some people do not like sells well = "Selling on RE name only" RE game they like sells badly "RE name does not sell, blame 3DS!"

"But it's portable console, and those suck, Gameboys aren't for REAL L33T GAMERZ"

I agree. Revelations without a doubt was a superior title, and the brand name didn't helped that much to boost sales...

[News Bot]

Disproven by Revelations sales.

Nice warp of reality here. RE some people do not like sells well = "Selling on RE name only" RE game they like sells badly "RE name does not sell, blame 3DS!"

You really need to stop accusing everyone you disagree with of "twisting" or "warping" something when you don't even consider what they say and ignore everything which proves you wrong. Anyone will tell you that brand name and popularity contributes heavily to sales, because that's what happens in reality. Operation Raccoon City got beaten to the ground by critics, so it obviously wasn't a case of it being a critically applauded title. It is also highly divisive among both Biohazard fans and the general gaming community with the vast majority of people generally disliking the game, so it's clearly not a well-liked and popular title. Slant Six aren't a popular or even respected developer, so it's obviously not their involvement which spurs interest.

And yes, the 3DS hurt Revelations quite badly. The main reason being that the 3DS did not have much of the Biohazard fan-base. (as Canas pointed out, the same reason PS2 sales of BH4 dwarfed the GameCube version despite the game being critically applauded, award-winning and well-liked, none of which apply to Operation Raccoon City). The main complaint you hear from people who haven't played Revelations is that they don't have a 3DS.

Luckily, CAPCOM are paying more attention to the fact that Revelations was critically much more well-received than Operation Raccoon City, so its underwhelming sales won't affect development of a similar game in the future.

[Pikminister]

Disproven by Revelations sales.

That shit again?

Since we're going in circles with this nonsense... I repeat what I said before:

Lets avoid comparing ORC to how other RE games did on this or that console? That way of doing things just doesn't make any sense at all.

Why you ask?

Because in each case, you had very different circumstances. Circumstances that either provided a particular game with a very unique situation. Where it could thrive or even fail. Coming out on unique platforms each with their own challenges, opportunities and limitations, makes each game's situation different. Very different. And it's hard to compare such situations to another one that belongs to a game that came out on a different platform and/or era.

And that's why people to this day keep saying "If only this game had come out on X console, it would've sold better". And they say that because indeed, each platform offers a unique opportunity for every game out there.

And that's also why CVX sold better on the PS2 than DC. And why RE1, RE2, RE3 sold better on the PS1 than on the GCN, despite being basically the same games. And why multiplatform games sell better on the X360 than on the PS3.

All this happens because each platform provides a very unique setting for those games to thrive or become a legendary bomba. So why compare how that game did to this game and all that jazz. It's pointless. Not comparable situations in each individual case. So it makes no sense at all to make comparisons.

So my proposition to cut out the mindless comparison crap is this:

Let's stick with the platforms that ORC actually came out on.

On the platforms that ORC came out on, the best selling games are usually action-shooters & most of them hit it big when they're enhanced with co-op and competitive play. On top of that, you got the fact that the RE brand name had become synonimous on those platforms with action-shooters, co-op and competitive gameplay.So right there, you had the best setting possible for ORC to make it big. It had a receptive audience that adores shooters and that had made RE5 a massive hit, previously. And when you combine the two together like ORC did (action-shooter + RE brand name), it was a no-brainer. It would've been very odd and strange if it didn't sell.

And when you just look at that situation in at by itself, it is even weirder that you would make the claim that the RE brand name had no effect on ORC selling like it did.

And bringing up other games from different eras, situations and platforms, doesn't really help make your claim look any more valid. It was a wonky claim from the start. And deep down you know it.

Oh yeah and this:

02. Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City (360, PS3) Capcom USA - 582K
XX. Binary Domain - 20K

The lousy shooter sold better than the superior one.

Dat BRAND NAME.

It's clear that the one spinnin' things is you. Why? Fuck if I know.... do you work for Slant Six Games?

[News Bot]

You dare use logic?

[Dracarys]

Pik you keep ignoring my points I made before that circumvent yours. Pretending people are mindless and have no idea what they are getting into when they buy a game is a weak argument at best. The reviews are well known, people have friends, comsumers are more informed now than they have ever been. People decide what they want to buy, the name only catches attention, it does not guarantee sales.

Your argument is going against itself too

"On the platforms that ORC came out on, the best selling games are usually action-shooters & most of them hit it big when they're enhanced with co-op and competitive play. On top of that, you got the fact that the RE brand name had become synonimous on those platforms with action-shooters, co-op and competitive gameplay.So right there, you had the best setting possible for ORC to make it big. It had a receptive audience that adores shooters and that had made RE5 a massive hit, previously. And when you combine the two together like ORC did (action-shooter + RE brand name), it was a no-brainer. It would've been very odd and strange if it didn't sell."

So it is the gameplay and features that is causing it to sell...glad we got this sorted.

[News Bot]

Pik you keep ignoring my points I made before that circumvent yours.

People decide what they want to buy, the name only catches attention, it does not guarantee sales.

Who denied this? Nobody said brand name was some uncontrollable force that bends the will of man. The only thing anyone has said in regards to it is that it's a pretty big influence. People are more likely to go with a popular, proven brand that they have enjoyed in the past. This is not only pure logic, it is human nature.

Gotta keep that ORC Defense Force alive somehow I suppose. I mean, obviously the sole reason for its decent sales is the fact that it is a well-designed, critically applauded, well-liked, well-received and groundbreaking game. Do you still regard it as canon?

[Canas Renvall]

"On the platforms that ORC came out on, the best selling games are usually action-shooters & most of them hit it big when they're enhanced with co-op and competitive play. On top of that, you got the fact that the RE brand name had become synonimous on those platforms with action-shooters, co-op and competitive gameplay.So right there, you had the best setting possible for ORC to make it big. It had a receptive audience that adores shooters and that had made RE5 a massive hit, previously. And when you combine the two together like ORC did (action-shooter + RE brand name), it was a no-brainer. It would've been very odd and strange if it didn't sell."[/I]

So it is the gameplay and features that is causing it to sell...glad we got this sorted.

Um...

(action-shooter + RE brand name)

And you were saying about twisting and warping?

[Wrathborne]

It's OK Dracarys, I still love you

[Dracarys]

Um...

(action-shooter + RE brand name)

And you were saying about twisting and warping?

I did not twist or warp anything. He went from ORC selling on RE name to including the gameplay, if you read the previous discussing you would relaise that was what I was claiming, I said the RE only got the game attention, the gameplay and features are what is selling it.

[News Bot]

I did not twist or warp anything. He went from ORC selling on RE name to including the gameplay, if you read the previous discussing you would relaise that was what I was claiming, I said the RE only got the game attention, the gameplay and features are what is selling it.

He didn't falter on anything. He said one thing, then said another, then explained why they were connected. It doesn't have to be one certain reason. You just try too hard to pick holes in things when you can't argue against them, because you have nothing to go on aside from your opinion that happens to be wrong virtually all of the time, which is why very few people agree with you. Yet all you have to offer as a rebuttal is something to the effect of insulting the intelligence of anyone that actually does happen to provide sources, evidence, logic and reasoning.

Fact: RE/BH brand name helps sales of Operation Raccoon City.
Fact: Third Person Shooter gameplay helps sales of Operation Raccoon City. Wider possible userbase.
Fact: Being on two popular consoles helps sales of Operation Raccoon City. Wider possible userbase.
Fact: Operation Raccoon City was pummeled by critics. Not generally popular with critics.
Fact: Operation Raccoon City is not well-liked and is a highly divisive title. Not generally popular with gamers.
Fact: The development studio behind Operation Raccoon City is not renowned or respected.

Opinion: Operation Raccoon City sells well because it is a good game.
Opinion: YOU'RE WRONG I'M RIGHT STOP TWISTING I KNOW I DONT HAVE ANY SOURCES OR EVIDENCE BUT YOU ARE STILL WRONG EVEN THOUGH YOU PROVIDED SOME BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE WRONG TOO

You are free to try and back up that opinion. Maybe with showing how popular it was with crit--- oh...



...wait. Well... maybe with gamers?



Nevermind.

It sells for the exact same reasons the Paul Anderson movies still do despite having a proven track record of being utter trash and being repeatedly battered by critics and viewers alike. Numbers are simply not always an indication of quality. You're free to believe what you want, of course. Not very many care for your opinions. But it would be advisable to take a rain check and stop flaunting it as fact when you can't explain why it supposedly is, or provide anything that would lend some credence to the possibility that it even could be. You just refuse to be wrong even when everyone else reaches the consensus that you are.

[Dracarys]

For every RE movies hater you can find someone who loves them. There are penty of people who play and enjoy ORC, I don't think anyone is claiming it is the best game ever but many people who bought it admit despite its flaws it is a fun game, especially with friends. Is there even a point there? Half your facts aren't facts also.

[News Bot]

For every RE movies hater you can find someone who loves them. There are penty of people who play and enjoy ORC, I don't think anyone is claiming it is the best game ever but many people who bought it admit despite its flaws it is a fun game, especially with friends. Is there even a point there? Half your facts aren't facts also.

Oh look, a completely false, made-up "ratio" to try and make your opinion seem more credible (because hypothetical shit you think up on the spot counts as evidence, right?), then whipping out the good-old "your facts aren't facts" card yet failing to disprove them.

Still not seeing any supporting evidence from you here. But what else is new.

[Wrathborne]

"Oh look, a completely false, made-up "ratio" to try and make your opinion seem more credible (because hypothetical shit you think up on the spot counts as evidence, right?), then whipping out the good-old "your facts aren't facts" card."

Sad thing is shes right about the films...I hates em and want them to be trashed for the shit they are...But Alexia loves em, so does Canas, I think Spencer is indifferent but still :/