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[missvalentine]

The *fact* is that you shouldnt talk about exclusives if the ports of those games are unplayable and below any standards of quality. For me, most of those "nonexclusive ports" just dont exist. They only count if you want to win an argument "on paper" and not if you want to make one console look better above the other. The guy asked for help, so some objective info should be thrown in to help him reach a decision.

The only reasons why one would consider to buying a PS3 right now would be because of brandloyalty and because they would be too lazy to deal with the RROD on their X360. Like I said, I would have ditched them both and gone for a PC, but out of those two options, X360 has the advantage in the most important category, which is *games*.

Rainbow Six Vegas is on PS3 and that is a piece of shit unplayable game (360 version is great) but it's still on the PS3.

I disagree anyway. I like the PS3 exclusives over the 360's but it's just personnel opinion. There are series on the PS3 Ive been following for years from the PS1 and PS2. So of coarse it's exclusives are more appealing to me. But you can't say one console has better exclusives. The 360 has more, but that is irrelevant, I highly doubt you would have enough spare change to go buy every exclusive game on a system. So just buy the system with the games that most interest you. The 360 has stuff like Gears of War and Mass Effect, the PS3 has games like Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted or Metal Gear Solid. Also with that most multiplatform games are superior on 360 thing. I think that is the case some of the time but not all the time. Dead Space is far better on PS3 I heard. And I have played all versions of COD4 and found no major differences. Apart from PC has mods of coarse and a few graphical differences between console and PC versions too.

[TwinbeeMkII]

*is a girl btw* I've done alot of reading today and, coupled with what people have said, I think I'm gonna go with PS3. Not only does it have 9/10ths of what I want, but it's also alot safer. To those happy with 360, I'm glad for you, but unlike some, I'm not rich enough to take that risk. I'm sorry but 360 is just too large a risk to be worth it to me. Thanks everyone who tried to help.

[Carnivol]

The fact that Microsoft built in a system to show faults just shows how shitty their console really is

Pretty much every single piece of complex digital consumer electronics has a diagnostic system like this. Either in the form of lights, on-screen messages, beeps or a connector you plug into to get the error data.

Sony's PS3 SDK just baffles non Japanese developers that's why xbox360 games are better ;-)

The PS3 architecture, in general, just baffles developers. That's why titles with a similar amount of development time tend to be "better" on the 360. And with the exclusives that look pretty amazing, there's currently still a whole lot of reinventing of the wheel going on inside them and also often a noticeable amount of extra dev time (when compared to the "alternatives" available on other platforms). In general, the gap is becoming gradually smaller, but the thing that probably will become more and more prominent in future titles is that each of the two platforms will be able to 1up the other in one way or another.

*is a girl btw* I've done alot of reading today and, coupled with what people have said, I think I'm gonna go with PS3. Not only does it have 9/10ths of what I want, but it's also alot safer. To those happy with 360, I'm glad for you, but unlike some, I'm not rich enough to take that risk. I'm sorry but 360 is just too large a risk to be worth it to me. Thanks everyone who tried to help.

Not to try to change anyone's mind or something, but remember that there's a 2 years warranty period (3 for the RRoD/E74 issues). So unless you broke it on purpose or by dropping it on the floor, these things are covered by warranty (and serviced hardware at the end of their warranty period get extended warranties through the repairs they've gone through)

This applies to pretty much any consumer electronics. So it'll of course apply to a PS3 if it should break down too. In general, the current gen console paranoia = stupid. Go with whatever "works for you" (as in has the features you want, the games you want, fits your wallet, bla bla bla bla. Get the point.)

[TwinbeeMkII]

See though I should't HAVE to rely on warrenty to make a machine work. If I spend $200-400 for something, I'm paying for a machine that should't NEED fixing. Is it free? Yes, but it's also frustrating, annoying, and a MAJOR inconvenience. Will I judge someone for getting a 360? Of course not, but I simply can't support a system that's proven a high rate for failure, and I definatly won't let free repairs excuse what can ammount to shoddy workmanship. I'm sorry but that's just how I feel. PS3 has the games I want, features I can enjoy, and overall seems to have a much better track record as far as reliability goes. To me any system that uses free repairs as a means to support high failure, just doesn't grab me. Am I guarenteed a broken 360? No, but at least my chances are better with PS3 working right. Sorry if this offends anyone, but this is how I feel. I hope 360 owners do get long life from their systems, I'm just not enough of a gambler to take the risk.

[Grinder]

3 times for me and the first time it happened i sent it out and when it returned it had red ring of death straight away!!! i was not amused. I have once tried to repair it myself and it worked for a while but it was only logical to sent it off again

[Branden_Lucero]

What a wonderful point to make. Let's also make it clear that...you're just as likely to get hit by a bus carrying a 360 home as you are a PS3. Seems just as relevant!

It's simple...

As for games, the 360 has the slight edge. Better exclusives, and in most cases the games that're on both consoles have the slight edge on the 360. The 360 breakdown rate is massive compared to the PS3, but Microsoft will fix it for free with the most common errors. Both have decent enough online services, but you'll need to pay for Microsoft's on a monthly basis, but this gives you access to demos etc before those who without a Live Gold membership.

As a media hub though away from the games side of things, PS3 dominates.

Yeah i'm bored now.

that makes about as much sense as....never.

as miss valentine stated, its all a matter of opinion. as an owner of all 3, and soon a gaming PC, all 3 have failed on me. the PS3 succumbed to the YLOD, the Wii has DRE, and i the 360 has been replaced once by DRE, and 2 RRODs.

quite frankly, i'm disappointed in any of the reliabilty of these consoles. i never had seen such sadness of how more expensive these consoles have gotten, only to last a shorter lifespan.

even my PSP and DS have outlasted these consoles.

as far as games, well, i'm buying more games on 360, its come to a point where i end up buying certain company's games to that single console, instead of just buying a game for which ever one. if its a game by EA or Bethesda, i end up buying for the 360. if its a game by CAPCOM or Konami, i end up buying on the PS3. sometimes, if its the next game in the series, i'll end up buying it for what i have on the previous generated console. i don't have to end up trying to make a decision.

as far as a media hub, neither console is really any different. they've borrowed from each other too many times and are starting to contain similar things. both can stream media from other pcs, both can go online, both have content downloading, both have award systems, one plays blu-ray, one can use HD-DVD (with the add-on. you'd be surprised how much cheaper it is to just go buyan HD-DVD version of a Blu-ray movie), both stream videos from the store (360 constains netflix, but of course, you have to pay a fee for that), one offers free online, one offers a paid service, one has a HOME community, one has an Avatar community.

sad to say that the Wii is actually the only "actual" gaming console for it doesn't need to contain all this luxurious fancy shit that i can already find on a PC (mostly).

if anyone wants to buy a console, but doesn't know for sure, then do your own research without the thought of others. it can bring more confidence in your selection.

[Stu]

as far as a media hub, neither console is really any different. they've borrowed from each other too many times and are starting to contain similar things.

Can you install a considerably larger hard drive whilst not having to bend over and take it up the ass to afford it with the X-Box 360?

Aside from that, PS3's actual playback batters that of the 360's.

[Carnivol]

3 times for me and the first time it happened i sent it out and when it returned it had red ring of death straight away!!! i was not amused. I have once tried to repair it myself and it worked for a while but it was only logical to sent it off again

Hope you had all cables plugged in when you labeled it an RRoD on arrival
(Seen way too many who haven't plugged in the screen cable, or half-plugged in the HDD or something, triggering the signal for cables that haven't been connected properly)

Can you install a considerably larger hard drive whilst not having to bend over and take it up the ass to afford it with the X-Box 360?

Aside from that, PS3's actual playback batters that of the 360's.

I'm doing 1080p streaming to my 360 pretty fine and dandy from my PC. (stutters on some if I use an old and slow USB stick.) The only "media" thing the PS3 really 1ups the 360 on (besides the lack of a "currently supported" HD disc format) is some limited form for soft subs support on user content (if you convert and mux things correctly, you can do softsubs on the PS3, apparantly. 360 requires transcoding.) Though, still waiting for the movie marketplace to set foot in most of Europe. So I guess I'll have to live with doing my media serving from the PC side

As for the HDD, the biggest question is:
Do you need a bigger HDD?

I had a 20gb for the longest amount of time on my first 360, now that drive is entirely dedicated to my music games (with RB1 disc export, RB2 HDD install + various RB2, Lips and all GH2-3 DLC), and I've still got a good few GB free on it.

The 120gb that came with my Elite system (which by the way at the time of purchase cost half of a PS3, going local price) currently has 17.5gb free (which means it could technically house my 20gb), amongst this content, I know that 10gb++ of those are marketplace videos (trailers, making of piss, etc.), 10gb++ of demos (for retail games), and... well... everything else is consumed by my current archive of DLC, savegames, a couple of XBO titles and about 60+ XBLA titles... and, oh, I've got about 10 full games, optionally installed, on my HDD at the moment.

Of course, if each and every one of my 70+ retail games had a mandatory install... a larger HDD might've been desirable on my end.

Anyway, so far, the 120gb certainly gets the job done And this HDD cost me "nothing" as it was bundled with a console. (Though, Premiums come with 60gbs, don't they? +I hear people pay anything from $99-$199 for the 120gb, depending on where they got 'em. Anyway, I doubt everyone has 70+ retail games, 60+ arcade titles, along with most DLC available for their retail games. So 60gb might cut it for most...)

[Branden_Lucero]

Can you install a considerably larger hard drive whilst not having to bend over and take it up the ass to afford it with the X-Box 360?

Aside from that, PS3's actual playback batters that of the 360's.

while considering that Microsoft did fuck people over with the HDD issue, you can always get into what other people have to done to upgrade your HDD at better price.

me on the other hand, have stuck with the 20GB with the original Pro model and with the original 60GB PS3 model.

have i ran out of space? sometimes i get close, but then i just delete unused things. therefore, i don't necessarily have to upgrade if i don't have to. am i going to? i think about it at times.

i bought a 1TB HDD for my new PC, and i know for a fact i'll never use that much space.

[kevstah2004]

Can you install a considerably larger hard drive whilst not having to bend over and take it up the ass to afford it with the X-Box 360?

Aside from that, PS3's actual playback batters that of the 360's.

Yeah still way too expensive

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[TheBlackMamba]

Once and after that I've advised others not to get one

[Darkmoon]

Alright, so my Xbox 360 has broken. Shocking I know. In this instance the only problem is the damned disc drive. It won't open. Just pops out a milimetre then sits there. If you force it out with a knife it will come...eventually (wanted to retrieve the disc in it) but then I found out how much Microsoft charges since it isn't a Red Ring issue. Yeah.

Suggestions for a cheaper repair? I even have another dead 360 I could snafu a spare drive from...

[TheSelfishGene]

I've heard of people trying to deliberately overheat their 360 to get a redring, and then get that repaired for free.

[Carnivol]

Alright, so my Xbox 360 has broken. Shocking I know. In this instance the only problem is the damned disc drive. It won't open. Just pops out a milimetre then sits there. If you force it out with a knife it will come...eventually (wanted to retrieve the disc in it) but then I found out how much Microsoft charges since it isn't a Red Ring issue. Yeah.

Suggestions for a cheaper repair? I even have another dead 360 I could snafu a spare drive from...

If it's still within the 2 year warranty period, they'll still fix the drive on warranty.

To force eject the drive, just use a thin long object (fold out a paper clip) and press it through the holy underneath the disc drive (you can see it if you remove the faceplate of your 360) I had to do this to get my Lost Odyssey Disc 4 back before sending my old system off to repair (RRoD, but they ended up swapping the disc drive on it too, as it failed the performance check after they swapped the mobo)

Sounds like something's stuck in there if it doesn't eject properly, though.

But if you've seen a computer CD/DVD-ROM's little "Hole" on the front, then you know what to look for on the front of the 360's DVD-rom too (it's basically a little thingy that'll unlock the trey mechanism. Press it in to unlock, pressing further results in a force eject)

[hellrizer]

My Xbox 360 RROD me at least 5 times, but it was usually because I didn't hook on the HDD right. Three weeks ago and I thought it was for good, but then I tried something. I found this website Instructables.com that showed how to fix your xbox for good. All I did was taking off the x-clamps, took off the heatsinks and removed the thermal paste that was on there and put a better thermal paste, drilled holes on the metal casing, added screws and washers, then replaced the heatsinks. Thats all I did. Oh, and as for the overheating problems. I installed a laptop cooling pad and a 12vt PC fan. I have a couple of pictures....
Haha I like to see it try to overheat on me now.

What you can see here is the screws and washers I installed

I know, it looks ugly and everything, but I'm still trying to customize the shell and I'm also putting LED lights in it...
I sprayed paint it black and as you can see, I'm putting glow-in-the-dark paint on the letters. If you are wondering why there is a huge hole on the other shell is because I'm planning to make a little door so I can make more mods.

Over all, everything is going out great and haven't had any RROD problems with it.