Most Overrated Films and Games.

[Richard Aiken]

I liked Halo but the rest haven't impressed me.

love the Godfather movies as well.

[MeganGrass]

Scarface... a cocaine junkie/druglord obsessed with his sister doesn't make for epic classic, IMO. Though, I will admit that I do like most parts of the movie.

Star Wars. Fuck Star Wars, and fuck George Lucas. If I ever had to sit through another Star Wars movie, I will gouge my eyes out with a tooth-pick.

Lord of the Rings. Has anyone here ever seen the movie 'Clerks II'? Well, that's exactly how I feel about the LOTR franchise - booooorrrriiinnng.

As for videogames - Final Fantasy, HALO, Resident Evil and WoW. I know a WoW-junkie, and wow... he really needs to get a life.

[JcFFx]

Games

FF7 - It's a good game, but I think people fangasm over it way more than necessary.

RE4 - 'nuff said

WoW, or any MMO - I really don't see the point.

[LeonsBuddyDave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0sc-gS9AqM

As long as that clip's here, I'll say one of the most UNDERRATED films of all time is Clerks. For a movie on that budget, it was very funny and very well written. The second one was alright, but not as good as the first.

Randall FTW.

[nemesiswontdie]

Scarface... a cocaine junkie/druglord obsessed with his sister doesn't make for epic classic, IMO. Though, I will admit that I do like most parts of the movie.

Star Wars. Fuck Star Wars, and fuck George Lucas. If I ever had to sit through another Star Wars movie, I will gouge my eyes out with a tooth-pick.

Lord of the Rings. Has anyone here ever seen the movie 'Clerks II'? Well, that's exactly how I feel about the LOTR franchise - booooorrrriiinnng.

As for videogames - Final Fantasy, HALO, Resident Evil and WoW. I know a WoW-junkie, and wow... he really needs to get a life.

i like this post and agree with everything in it. btw MarkGrass, there is a clerks 2 video i posted of that scene you mentioned lol

[missvalentine]

Star Wars. Fuck Star Wars, and fuck George Lucas. If I ever had to sit through another Star Wars movie, I will gouge my eyes out with a tooth-pick.

Jesus, what is with all the Star Wars hate? You don't have to watch the movie if you don't want to.

[Mr_Zombie]

You see - you can say this also about The Godfather, Scarface, Lord of the Ring, Metal Gear Solid, Halo and every other game and movie mentioned in this thread - different people have different opinion on things

About Star Wars - the only one I've seen from the beginning to the end was Episode 3 (I wasn't interested in the whole space sci-fi back then hence I've never saw other movies) and while it was a nice eye candy, the plot was more retarded than Disney's cartoons; I mean - the whole Anakin turns evil was so cartoony, so over the top ("hey, I'll now kill those little kids for no reason, 'cause I'm bad") that I thought I will laugh out loud. And from what I've heard Episode 1 and 2 were worse...
I appreciate what Lucas did for the sci-fi genre and I understand how important the series is for cinematography, but I can also understand why so many people hate the series.

[missvalentine]

You see - you can say this also about The Godfather, Scarface, Lord of the Ring, Metal Gear Solid, Halo and every other game and movie mentioned in this thread - different people have different opinion on things

About Star Wars - the only one I've seen from the beginning to the end was Episode 3 (I wasn't interested in the whole space sci-fi back then hence I've never saw other movies) and while it was a nice eye candy, the plot was more retarded than Disney's cartoons; I mean - the whole Anakin turns evil was so cartoony, so over the top ("hey, I'll now kill those little kids for no reason, 'cause I'm bad") that I thought I will laugh out loud. And from what I've heard Episode 1 and 2 were worse...
I appreciate what Lucas did for the sci-fi genre and I understand how important the series is for cinematography, but I can also understand why so many people hate the series.

Yeah that's the prequels, but the original trilogy, Star Wars (1977) Empire Strikes Back (1980) and Return of the Jedi (1983) have a fantastic storyline, great characters and dialog and very good acting, with great special effects too.

It seems people here have only seen the newer films it seems.

Fuck Star Wars, and fuck George Lucas.

Ok i just noticed another part of your post. That is just wrong, by saying that you are basically saying fuck almost every film in existence after 1975.

Just read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Light_%26_Magic

I'm just gonna post the article here too.

Industrial Light & Magic (ILM) is a motion picture visual effects company that was founded in May 1975 by George Lucas and is owned by Lucasfilm. Lucas created the company when he discovered that the special effects department at 20th Century Fox was shut down after he was given the green light for his production of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. The studio originated in Van Nuys, California, later moved to San Rafael, and is now based at the Letterman Digital Arts Center in the Presidio of San Francisco.

Lucas wanted his 1977 film Star Wars to include visual effects that had never been seen on film before. He first approached Douglas Trumbull, famous for 2001: A Space Odyssey. Trumbull declined, but suggested his assistant John Dykstra. Dykstra brought together a small team of college students, artists and engineers who became the Special Visual Effects department on Star Wars. Alongside Dykstra other leading members of the original ILM team were Dennis Muren, Ken Ralston, Richard Edlund, Joe Johnston, Phil Tippett, Steve Gawley, and Jeff Mann.

When making The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas reformed most of the team into Industrial Light & Magic in Marin County, California. They have since gone on to produce special effects for over two hundred films, including the Indiana Jones series, the Harry Potter franchise, the Jurassic Park franchise, the Back to the Future trilogy, many of the Star Trek films, Ghostbusters II, and the 2007 live-action Transformers movie.

In addition to their work for George Lucas, ILM also frequently collaborates with Steven Spielberg for nearly all films that he directs, and for many that he produces as well. Dennis Muren acts as Visual Effects Supervisor on these films.

Additionally, the company has created less noticeable effects - such as widening streets, digitally adding more extras to a shot, and inserting the film's actors into famous photos - in movies such as Schindler's List, Forrest Gump, Snow Falling on Cedars, Magnolia, and several Woody Allen films.

ILM established their use of Computer-generated imagery when they hired Edwin Catmull from NYIT in 1979. John Lasseter worked for ILM in the early 1980s as a computer animator. The computer graphics department, now known as Pixar, was eventually sold to Steve Jobs, which went on to create the first CG animated feature with Toy Story.

As of 2006[update], ILM has received 16 Best Visual Effects Oscars and 20 additional nominations. It had also received 22 technical Oscars.

Milestones

* 1977: Resurrected the use of VistaVision; first use of a motion control camera (Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope)
* 1982: First completely computer-generated sequence (the "Genesis sequence" in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan)
* 1985: First completely computer-generated character, the "stained glass man" in Young Sherlock Holmes
* 1988: First morphing sequence, in Willow
* 1989: First computer-generated 3-D character, the pseudopod in The Abyss
* 1991: First partially computer-generated main character, the T-1000 in Terminator 2: Judgment Day
* 1992: First time the texture of human skin was computer generated, in Death Becomes Her
* 1993: First time digital technology used to create a complete and detailed living creature, the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, which earned ILM its thirteenth Oscar
* 1994: The cartoon-like effects in The Mask
* 1995: The first fully synthetic speaking computer-generated character, with a distinct personality and emotion, to take a leading role in Casper
* 1995: First computer-generated photo-realistic hair and fur (used for the digital lion and monkeys) in Jumanji
* 1996: First completely computer-generated main character, Draco in Dragonheart
* 1999: Used motion capture to create the undead form of the character, Imhotep in The Mummy.
* 1999: Second completely computer-generated main character, Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
* 2002: First feature film completely shot and exhibited in digital HD video in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
* 2003: Used most extensive projects and animation techniques yet to create a large, human-like, green monster in Hulk
* 2006: Develops "iMocap" system, which uses computer vision techniques to track live-action performers on set. Used in the creation of Davy Jones and ship's crew in the film Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
* 2009: Most complex visual graphics work done in entire ILM history on Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen's character "Devastator".[citation needed]


LM Selected filmography
Year Notable films
1971 THX 1138
1977 Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
1980 Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
1981

Raiders of the Lost Ark
Dragonslayer (first non-Lucasfilm production)
1982

Poltergeist
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
The Dark Crystal
1983

Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
Twice Upon a Time
1984

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
The NeverEnding Story
Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure (TV)
1985

Starman (also co-produced the film)
The Goonies
Cocoon
Back to the Future
Explorers
Amazing Stories (TV) (1985-87)
Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters
Ewoks: The Battle for Endor (TV)
Young Sherlock Holmes
Out of Africa
Enemy Mine
1986

The Money Pit
Labyrinth
Howard the Duck
Captain EO (Disney theme park film)
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
The Golden Child (also co-produced the film)
1987

Harry and the Hendersons
Star Tours (Disney theme park film)
Spaceballs (creature effect only)
Innerspace
Star Trek: The Next Generation - Encounter at Farpoint (Two-hour pilot, stock footage used throughout series) (TV)
Empire of the Sun
*batteries not included
The Witches of Eastwick
1988

Willow
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
Cocoon: The Return
Tucker: The Man and His Dream
The Last Temptation of Christ
The Accidental Tourist
Caddyshack II
1989

The 'burbs
Field of Dreams
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Ghostbusters II
The Abyss
Body Wars (Disney theme park film)
Always
Back to the Future Part II
Leviathan
1990

Joe Versus the Volcano
Dreams
Total Recall
Die Hard 2
Arachnophobia
The Godfather: Part III
Back to the Future Part III
Ghost
1991

Flight of the Intruder
The Doors
Switch
Hudson Hawk
Michael & Mickey (Disney theme park film)
The Rocketeer
The Last Halloween
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Backdraft
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Hook
1992

The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles (TV) (1992-93)
Death Becomes Her
Memoirs of an Invisible Man
The Public Eye
1993

Alive
Last Action Hero
Rising Sun
The Meteor Man
Manhattan Murder Mystery
Malice
The Nutcracker
Jurassic Park
Fire in the Sky
Schindler's List
1994

The Hudsucker Proxy
Maverick
Wolf
Baby's Day Out
Disclosure
In the Mouth of Madness
Star Trek: The Next Generation - All Good Things... (final episode) (TV)
The Flintstones
Forrest Gump
The Mask
Radioland Murders
Star Trek Generations
1995

Village of the Damned
The Indian in the Cupboard
The American President
Congo
Casper
Jumanji
The Dig
1996

Mission: Impossible
The Trigger Effect
Eraser
Special Effects: Anything Can Happen
The Trigger Effect
Sleepers
101 Dalmatians
Daylight
Mars Attacks!
Twister
Dragonheart
Star Trek: First Contact
1997

The Lost World: Jurassic Park
Men in Black
Contact
Amistad
Titanic
Starship Troopers
Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil
Flubber
Deconstructing Harry
Spawn
Speed 2: Cruise Control
1998

Deep Rising
Mercury Rising
Snake Eyes
Celebrity
Reach the Rock
Meet Joe Black
Jack Frost
Mighty Joe Young
The Last Days
Deep Impact
Saving Private Ryan
Small Soldiers
1999

October Sky
From Star Wars to Star Wars: The Story of Industrial Light & Magic
Wild Wild West
The Haunting
Deep Blue Sea
Sweet and Lowdown
Bringing Out the Dead
Snow Falling on Cedars
Sleepy Hollow
Magnolia
The Mummy
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Galaxy Quest
The Green Mile
2000

Mission to Mars
The Adventures of Rocky & Bullwinkle
Pollock
Pay It Forward
Work in Progress
The Perfect Storm
Space Cowboys
2001

The Pledge
Planet of the Apes
Impostor
The Majestic
The Mummy Returns
Artificial Intelligence: A.I.
Jurassic Park III
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
Pearl Harbor
2002

Punch-Drunk Love
The Bourne Identity
Manassas: End of Innocence
K-19: The Widowmaker
Signs
Blood Work
Gangs of New York
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
Minority Report
Men in Black II
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
The Time Machine
2003

Tears of the Sun
Dreamcatcher
The Hunted
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Let Go
Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World
Timeline
Peter Pan
Stuck on You
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
Hulk
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
2004

Oedipus
Along Came Polly
Morphine
Hidalgo
Twisted
Van Helsing
The Chronicles of Riddick
The Bourne Supremacy
The Village
Eros
Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
The Day After Tomorrow
2005

Are We There Yet?
Son of the Mask
The Pacifier
The Amityville Horror
xXx: State of the Union
The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3-D
Herbie Fully Loaded
The Colbert Report
Code Breakers
Munich
Cheaper by the Dozen 2
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
War of the Worlds
Jarhead
Chicken Little
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Rent
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
2006

Eight Below
Mission: Impossible III
Poseidon
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Lady in the Water
The Nightmare Before Christmas 3-D
Eragon
2007

Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
Evan Almighty
Transformers
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Rush Hour 3
There Will Be Blood
Lions for Lambs
National Treasure: Book of Secrets
2008

The Spiderwick Chronicles
Iron Man
Speed Racer
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
WALL-E (visual effects for live-action sequences)
Incredible Hulk
The Happening
Touching Home
The Love Guru
Miracle at St. Anna
Pig Hunt
Twilight
2009

Confessions of a Shopaholic
Star Trek
Terminator Salvation
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

Upcoming projects:

* Star Wars (TV) (2010 / 2011)
* Endhiran
* Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009)
* The Last Airbender (2010)
* Iron Man 2 (2010)
* Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (2010/2011)
* Interstellar (2011)
* Rango (2011)

Recent films

ILM worked on three major 2005 releases, George Lucas' Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, Steven Spielberg's War of the Worlds and Warner Bros. Pictures' Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Revenge of the Sith features around 2400 CGI shots created in three years (by stark contrast, the groundbreaking blockbuster Jurassic Park has only 52 CGI shots). War of the Worlds was completed on a much faster timetable, with Dennis Muren supervising. ILM was also the effects studio utilized to work on Eragon which was released in December 2006.

Industrial Light & Magic also worked on battle creatures for The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe; the wave and underwater effects for Poseidon, a remake of The Poseidon Adventure; the majority of (invisible) effects for Mission: Impossible III and Eight Below; and most of the creature effects for Lady in the Water. ILM also created the visual effects and animation in the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy, Transformers and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix among others.

ILM also worked on the "Light My Candle" number in Rent. The crew could be seen in the TV screen so Chris Columbus sent the reel over to ILM and they edited the reflection out.

[edit] Trivia

It was in the late 1980s when Adobe Photoshop made its first appearance on the world stage. It was used at the Industrial Light & Magic studios as an image-processing program. Photoshop was created by ILM Visual Effects Supervisor John Knoll and his brother Thomas as a summer project.

Adam Savage, Grant Imahara and Tory Belleci of Mythbusters fame have all worked at Industrial Light & Magic.

Industrial Light & Magic is also famous for their commercial work. Their clients include Energizer Holdings, Nike, Coca Cola, Pepsi, Budwiser and other companies.

ILM is also the largest voice recording studio. It is used for Anime dubbing and non Anime voice work.

So yeah if you say Fuck George Lucas, then your also fucking with all that to. Good day sir!

[Member_of_STARS]

This is a thread of opinions. Starting a fight over them will rarely lead somewhere. Entertaining as it may be.

[missvalentine]

This is a thread of opinions. Starting a fight over them will rarely lead somewhere. Entertaining as it may be.

Yeah i know, but George Lucas is my hero, i can't let ignorant people just insult him like that because of one film he made, he is probably the most influential director in history. How anyone can say he is overrated is beyond me. Did you know Ridley Scott was inspired to write Alien because of Lucas and Star Wars? Did you know that James Cameron decided he wanted to be a director because of Lucas and Star Wars? I could go on and on all day about the marvelous things George Lucas and Star Wars have done. But i wont.


Anyways i think RE4 and MGS4 are some of the most overrated games ever i think, and so is RE5. And to a lesser extent i think RE2 and MGS1 is a little bit overrated too.

[BadWolfX]

It seems people here have only seen the newer films it seems.

No, I've seen the originals and I haven't had that high of an opinion of those either =/

And that's a mighty long wish |:

[nemesiswontdie]

MGS1 is a little bit overrated too.

i have no idea how many times ive said this before


if your didnt play MGS1 back in 1998 or play it in 1999 your not gonna think its that great of a game but infact its one of THE best games for the PS1 its up there with FF7 and RE2 actually its better than RE2 and hell RE3. MGS1 is THE best MGS in the whole series. the worst one is MGS:TTS (everyone can agree with me here) and MGS2

[Vector]

i have no idea how many times ive said this before


if your didnt play MGS1 back in 1998 or play it in 1999 your not gonna think its that great of a game but infact its one of THE best games for the PS1 its up there with FF7 and RE2 actually its better than RE2 and hell RE3. MGS1 is THE best MGS in the whole series. the worst one is MGS:TTS (everyone can agree with me here) and MGS2

The only thing I disagree with is that how you say it's "up there with FF7." It's a lot better than that.

[nemesiswontdie]

well alot of people though FF7 is one of the best games for the PS1 as well thats why i said that. i wouldnt no cause i dont play FF

[adamthegrave]

i hated that final fantasy spirited within movie thats was a shitty ass movie god awful , i would have to say return of the jedi is a favorite movie the out of the six i did love Revenge of the sith , yal should see FANBOYS funny but sad at the same time all i got to say is "Han solo is a bitch! lol "
harry pothead is gay & what is so big about the twilight movies??? its just stupid TEEN Vampires running around finding love with a underage girl one, dude in the trailer has a superman 1 powers stoping that car from killing that girl. cause superman did the same thing another thing in superman 2 why he take that S & threw it at that guy did that do anything??