I'm Angry

[Borman]

Had a bad day earlier in the week, lets hope things work out in the coming days / weeks.

[Guest]

No worries medic! I'm here to cheer you up!

[Guest]

I think..........she is still angry with me.......

[missvalentine]

I'm tired of people fucking with me. I'm not a bad person, in fact I'm a really nice person and I hardly ever let my temper slip. I'm tired of people taking advantage of me just because I'm a nice person too. I'm not your stepping mat. Fuck off.

Ugh that sucks when that happens Taylor. People are real jerks sometimes. Just stand up for yourself and don't let them walk all over you Taylor.

I know your a nice person, it's hard being nice sometimes. But it's a very good quality to have. People should be ashamed to take advantage of that quality.

[Guest]

hmm.......now where have I heard this before.......

[missvalentine]

I am angry at capcom and at RE5.

Ive been thinking recently and I realized just how much of a con capcom pulled on us all with RE5. It's disgusting.

I'm going to ramble here but I don't care.


I hate RE5, I really do. It's the worst in the series, Id give it 5/10. It has a horrible story and terrible gameplay. It added nothing good to the series and only made it worse, it made more problems than it fixed.

First off, with the story. What is up with the fucking magical plant shit, that's a stupid idea. I liked it when the origins of the T-virus where with Ebola, but apparently that is retconed now my friend just told me. I hope to God it hasn't been. And the Wesker children idea, that s stupid and so annoying. It just completely ruined Wesker for no purpose at all. Why on earth did capcom even add that? What so they could have a reason to make Wesker wanna take over the world and complete his stupid illogical plan of world domination? When was RE ever about taking over the world? RE5's story severely fucked up the series. I mean yes RE4 had a bad story as well, but it didn't change a thing, it made no difference and it was irrelevant, but RE5 ruined so much about RE.

Also the main story in general sucked, and they milked it for all it was worth before it came out. Just imagine if they had never shown us Jill's tombstone before release, and we had seen that for the first time in game. How much better would that have been, that would have made me wanna play it so much more. But no capcom thinks they may be bale to get more sales if they put huge fucking plot spoilers in it's trailers. They ruined the story for everyone, just so they could look as if they had a MGS like story and make it huge in sales. They lied to us and tricked us trying to get us to make false assumptions about the game. I mean the amount of advertising that went into the game seemed bigger than the game development itself. I mean what the fuck were all these viral videos? Who directed and paid for these? Time was spent writing these crappy non canon things so that we would think RE5 is cool and by it, when more time and money should of actually been invested in making RE5. Capcom just took it a step to far this time. I find it offensive, it's like they are conning us, there fans into buying there crappy shitty game. And it pisses me off so much. All there behind the scenes interviews with the voice actors and the motion captures lead us to believe there was going to be so many huge important cutscenes were so much is revealed in them. Like MGS, but what do we get? No more cutscenes than there were in Remake. And most of them had no dialog anyway and were just Chris and Sheva shooting things, and the dialog was a few quick lines. They wasted so much money on there 3D camera and mo cap when they could have used that money to invest into the game and story and make what was the RE5 beta which looked very very good to me. When a game studio needs to trick it's fans into buying it's games there is something very wrong. Capcom should just do what it's fans want. Fuck this Chris/Wesker storyline and bring Sherry back, explain what happened to her, make Jill do something other than being sidelined by Chris, give Claire a good role again. Bring Barry back and go back to zombies. Tell us what happened to Rebecca and show her again! Capcom are so fucking stupid and Takeuchi is a money grubbing whore. I hate the bastard. All capcom care about, or rather Takeuchi cares about is how much his game makes. I don;t think he has a care in the world about the actual game itself. Capcom are like the EA games of the east.

RE5's gameplay was horrible too, it was a step backwards from RE4. RE4, and the classics have much better gameplay, and are tons more fun to play. RE5's gameplay is awkward and boring and feels like a chore to play. Yet is gets huge fucking sales? Why is this? Not because the game is good, but because of the colossal amount of time and energy and money capcom put into it's advertising. It's really unfair I think. And the sheer amount of used copy's of RE4 I see laying around back up my point that it's a shitty overrated game.

I remember someone saying capcom were investigating how Chris's shirt would look when wet, so they went to the company itself and got an interview with it's head and asked the about it and did experiments on how it looked wet. WASTE OF FUCKING TIME!! That is the most tiny stupid detail, that if you tell lot of people they assume that if that is being researched then what other secrets must they be doing, and that the game must be awesome. It's a fucking scam to make people buy there shit. They should be focusing on the game itself.

If capcom had spent all it's time on the actual game and had not advertised it at all. It would probably have turned out to be a phenomenal game. The story would have been much better and more thought out, and the gameplay would have been superb. But no that would take more effort so capcom takes the easy road and advertises the shit out of it.

I am sick of this. Just sick of the way capcom treats it's fans. It's disrespectful. I am so pissed. I like to just consider RE5 non canon, there series was better before it came out.

[aris13]

gets huge fucking sales? Why is this? Not because the game is good, but because of the colossal amount of time and energy and money capcom put into it's advertising.

missvalentine hates RE 5, so what else is new.....

RE 5 sold 5 million copies, becoming the best selling title in the series. No review or good promotion secures you these kind of sales.

[missvalentine]

missvalentine hates RE 5, so what else is new.....

RE 5 sold 5 million copies, becoming the best selling title in the series. No review or good promotion secures you these kind of sales.

I and many other people hate RE5.

Sales doesn't mean shit. You know why? Because people buy a game before they play it. How can they possibly know the the game is good or not before buying it? It's a gamble that is greatly influenced by advertising. But you know what does mean shit? How many copies are returned after being bought.

I just asked my friend who works at a gamestore how many used copies of RE5 do they have. And just in that single store at the moment, they have 100 used copy's of RE5. Around 50 for each console. Now multiply that for every gamestore, and multiply it over time as well. That is a lot of people that bought RE5 and hated it enough to return it, and a lot of people that bought it because of advertising.

A review and promotion can make or break a series. RE5's success lays solely on the fact it was so colossally over hyped and advertised like it was the best thing ever.

You know what it reminds me off. Assassins Creed. That games sales are outstanding, it was one of the first platinum games on the PS3, it's trailers were amazingly cool. The hype was huge for that game. Everyone went out and bought it, including me. You know what? It's gameplay was boring and story was shitty. So many people took it back. Sales. Mean. Nothing.

It is impossible, and stupid to judge a game by sales. It is impossible now because of hype. it ruins everything. All there huge over hyped crap games get tons of sales, while really good but under hyped games get forgotten about.

Remember Beyond Good and Evil? Can that game be measured by it's sales? No! It was awesome but it was under hyped and no one got it, because it wasn't advertised well.

RE5 is shit and overrated. It's sales mean nothing at all. It doesn't deserve them at all.

[aris13]

How can they possibly know the the game is good or not before buying it?

WORD OF MOUTH!!!!!

[missvalentine]

WORD OF MOUTH!!!!!

Yeah because it's so much better than a million TV and internet viral ads and stuff.


ALL games rely on word of mouth. ALL. ALL games. If word of mouth is so good, then why does every game not make RE5's sales? Does that mean RE5 is better? Certainly not.

Your thinking is so flawed.

RE5 got it's sales because of it's immense advertising campaign.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Capcom don't treat their fans bad. They take their games in the direction they want them and it didn't pay off, but RE4, despite what a lot of veteran RE fans think, was an extremely good game, extremely commercially successful and is looked upon as a fantastic game by a LOT of gamers. I don't like it as a Resi game but as a game itself, a shooter, I love it. Being angry at Capcom isn't really fair. They do what they can, it just didn't really pay off with RE5. They make some fantastic games. They've done a lot, even for this site; www.residentevil.com . You'll see THIA and Project Umbrella there. We have a good working relationship with Capcom and they don't do things just to piss us off. I don't particularly like RE5 a great deal, I like it, but I actually prefer RE4. Capcom have made some fantastic games and this site wouldn't be here and we wouldn't have Resident Evil without them.

Also, finding out about games before you buy them; reviews, and neoGAF. And all games don't rely on word of mouth; they rely on advertising and word of mouth. If a game is good and has barely any advertising, it won't sell. Take Eternal Darkness. I've always told everyone about that game and almost everyone who's played it has said it's been great. Yet it had no advertising. I don't remember seeing one advert for it. Guess what? It didn't sell. Ka-pow.

[Member_of_STARS]

RE4 did a lot stuff right from general gaming perspective, even though it was not the revolutionizing gaming miracle it is said to be. Most of my non-RE-knowing/playing gaming peers know RE4 and have heard of the earlier RE-s.

RE is not marketed for the masses, and its not a niche product anymore. Its not a survival horror game, that era is over.

And of course it was marketed to hell. But thats what you do when your game relies on an established brandname. CAPCOM has been playing the Ubi/EA game for 5 years now.

And while Im pissed at my favourite franchise becoming into cockfest, Im even more pissed at where the gaming industry as a whole is going. Things are at a dangerous point.

[missvalentine]

Capcom don't treat their fans bad. They take their games in the direction they want them and it didn't pay off, but RE4, despite what a lot of veteran RE fans think, was an extremely good game, extremely commercially successful and is looked upon as a fantastic game by a LOT of gamers. I don't like it as a Resi game but as a game itself, a shooter, I love it. Being angry at Capcom isn't really fair. They do what they can, it just didn't really pay off with RE5. They make some fantastic games. They've done a lot, even for this site; www.residentevil.com . You'll see THIA and Project Umbrella there. We have a good working relationship with Capcom and they don't do things just to piss us off. I don't particularly like RE5 a great deal, I like it, but I actually prefer RE4. Capcom have made some fantastic games and this site wouldn't be here and we wouldn't have Resident Evil without them.

Also, finding out about games before you buy them; reviews, and neoGAF. And all games don't rely on word of mouth; they rely on advertising and word of mouth. If a game is good and has barely any advertising, it won't sell. Take Eternal Darkness. I've always told everyone about that game and almost everyone who's played it has said it's been great. Yet it had no advertising. I don't remember seeing one advert for it. Guess what? It didn't sell. Ka-pow.

I agree about RE4. It's a fine game, not a good RE4 game but a fine game on it's own. I don't have much beef with it. By beef is with RE5 and Takeuchi.

I'm sure there are good people at capcom, who do care about the series, as evidenced by the Beta's. But it's the top guys that don't really give a shit and want all the money.

And reviews are flawed. Everyone knows this. And not everyone trusts reviews or even reads them anyways. I don't read them. Because sometimes they contain spoilers for one thing. Also the review could have completely different taste than you do and rate a game that you love, terribly. Most people know that, and people don't trust reviews. People go on what they think and feel by what the trailer said. People will check things out for themselves anyways.

Also if a game is up for pre-order, then a review is impossible to read anyway. That whole RE5 pre order thing was to get people to buy it even before release in case some people do go buy the reviews.

Also reviews in magazines can't be trusted, because reviews can be faked, people can pay of sites and magazines to write a good review for a bad game to increase sales. Many people know this.

Reviews can't be trusted it's common knowledge.

The only way to find out if a game is good or not, is to buy it and play it yourself.

So yeah, RE5's sales are irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. It is a horrible game and ruined the series.

[Member_of_STARS]

So yeah, RE5's sales are irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. It is a horrible game and ruined the series.

RE was "ruined" with RE4. RE5 and any argument about the state of the series post RE4 is irrelevant and pointless.

Reviews arent pointless. You need to be able to collect the relevant information from them. They are pointless only if you disagree with them, but thats not what a review is for. A combination of gameplay videos, reviews and community feedback is the best method tp check whether the game is a good purchase or not.

[Alexia_Ashford]

I agree about RE4. It's a fine game, not a good RE4 game but a fine game on it's own. I don't have much beef with it. By beef is with RE5 and Takeuchi.

I'm sure there are good people at capcom, who do care about the series, as evidenced by the Beta's. But it's the top guys that don't really give a shit and want all the money.

And reviews are flawed. Everyone knows this. And not everyone trusts reviews or even reads them anyways. I don't read them. Because sometimes they contain spoilers for one thing. Also the review could have completely different taste than you do and rate a game that you love, terribly. Most people know that, and people don't trust reviews. People go on what they think and feel by what the trailer said. People will check things out for themselves anyways.

Also if a game is up for pre-order, then a review is impossible to read anyway. That whole RE5 pre order thing was to get people to buy it even before release in case some people do go buy the reviews.

Also reviews in magazines can't be trusted, because reviews can be faked, people can pay of sites and magazines to write a good review for a bad game to increase sales. Many people know this.

Reviews can't be trusted it's common knowledge.

The only way to find out if a game is good or not, is to buy it and play it yourself.

So yeah, RE5's sales are irrelevant. Completely irrelevant. It is a horrible game and ruined the series.

Bearing in mind that's all your opinion.

Reviews, as a whole, give you a general idea of what a game is going to be like. Not just one, but if you read several reviews beforehand it'll give you a good sort of idea. And again; neoGAF. Gaming forums is a great way to find opinions on a game, unbiased, unpaid. It's up to the individual concerned to find out about a game before they buy it.

You make out sales as an indicator for a game's success is completely irrelevant. That's ludicrous. As a general rule, if a game's good, it sells. It gets good reviews, people say good things about it, more people buy it. If it's not, it doesn't sell. That's not always the case, but most of the time, it is.

And again, a lot of people don't think RE5 ruined the series and even folk here really enjoyed the game. So to turn round and say "RE5 ruined the series, it's shit, sales figures don't matter", matter-of-factly, is a bit unfair. I didn't particularly like the game. I'm not sitting here trying to disprove the opinions of folk who did. It was an alright game, and I can see how it'd appeal to other people's tastes. Just not mine.