REmake & RE0 backgrounds

[yurieu]

Imagine a Resident Evil game with environments like the ones in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSGx4bBU9Qc

Everything in the video was computer generated!

i know im being a fool, but is this really really really CG? its so real! and is youtube encoded.

[Darkangel]

The resolution of your monitor is not directly correlated to the output resolution of your render.

If they used Softimage|3D as they modeling tool, the only resolutions available to run the application are 1024x768, 1280x1024 or 1600x1200, so an aspect ratio of 1.333 (4:3).

Softimage was used to create the backgrounds for the PSX-era Resident Evil games, but I'm pretty sure Maya was used to develop REmake and Zero.

I do wonder what state the original backgrounds are in - are they bigger than the image format in the existing games? It's hard to say how much work would be involved putting them into modern TV formats for HD and widescreen. The port of RE3 to PC was considered very high resolution at the time!

3D models are vector graphics, therefore they can be rendered at any resolution at the push of a button. Re-rendering REmake or Zero in widescreen 1080p would be as simple as changing the resolution in the rendering output from "512*448" to "1920x1080". The only real work needed would be making sure the expanded field of view doesn't ruin anything.

Why would you guys want them to reuse the existing last-gen backgrounds, characters etc. and just render them at a higher resolution (1080p or beyond)?

It would probably be much better if they would make entirely new assets utilizing all the performance of current-gen or next-gen hardware instead of just reusing last-gen assets, don't you think?

Just compare the visuals shown in the following video for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUGjPz8Pm-0

with the visuals shown in the following video for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VThOrgQ6Z3g

Although "Resident Evil Remake" is running on NGC (last-gen) and "Resident Evil 5: Lost In Nightmares" is running on PS3/Xbox 360 (current-gen), "Resident Evil Remake" does somehow look better than "Resident Evil 5: Lost In Nightmares", doesn't it?

Now imagine how amazing a game with pre-rendered backgrounds, like "Resident Evil Remake" for example, would probably look if it would be made with assets which would fully utilize current-gen hardware (PS3/Xbox 360 for example) or even next-gen hardware (like PS4/Xbox 720 for example, or whatever they are going to be called) .

Getting "Resident Evil Zero" and "Resident Evil Remake" with existing last-gen assets rendered at higher resolution would probably be somewhat nice, but it would probably be much nicer if they would instead develop new assets to squeeze out every last bit of performance of current-gen or next-gen hardware, wouldn't it ?

But, ultimately, wouldn't it actually be much better if they would use all their workforce to develop a entirely new "Resident Evil 7" (or whatever you wanna call it) for current-gen or next-gen hardware with classic gameplay and pre-rendered backgrounds instead of remaking older games ?

I too am curious what a modern day, high budget game with pre-rendered backgrounds would look like. CGI technology has pretty much reached photorealism (for environments anyway).

Imagine a Resident Evil game with environments like the ones in this video:

Everything in the video was computer generated!

[yurieu]

No idea where you got that information about the processor, but it's totally bogus.

http://hothardware.com/News/IBM-Confirms-WII-U-Utilizes-PowerBased-CPU-Not-Power-7/

u can find the tweet easily too.

[MiLØ]

hm you mean the outputted project? i wonder how that image can be at 3000x3000...

The same way you scroll this page is the same way they scroll the render they are working on. Like he said monitor resolution has little affect on an actual size of the image being worked on. For a CG artist it's just a convenience to have a large monitor but if he needs to he can zoom in/zoom out to work on little details or to get a look at an overall composition. Kinda like an artist paints on canvas - step away/step closer.

[Code_R]

I do wonder what state the original backgrounds are in - are they bigger than the image format in the existing games? It's hard to say how much work would be involved putting them into modern TV formats for HD and widescreen. The port of RE3 to PC was considered very high resolution at the time!

[yurieu]

reboot dude, your idea is logical, but we are talking about a remake of the remake? eheh

i really believe they can create almost real life with the newest engines using pre rendered. but thats for a new game.

for remake, zero, even 2 and 3, it would be easy re encode the master render instead recreate the game from scratch.

[please_REboot]

Why would you guys want them to reuse the existing last-gen backgrounds, characters etc. and just render them at a higher resolution (1080p or beyond)?

It would probably be much better if they would make entirely new assets utilizing all the performance of current-gen or next-gen hardware instead of just reusing last-gen assets, don't you think?

Just compare the visuals shown in the following video for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUGjPz8Pm-0

with the visuals shown in the following video for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VThOrgQ6Z3g

Although "Resident Evil Remake" is running on NGC (last-gen) and "Resident Evil 5: Lost In Nightmares" is running on PS3/Xbox 360 (current-gen), "Resident Evil Remake" does somehow look better than "Resident Evil 5: Lost In Nightmares", doesn't it?

Now imagine how amazing a game with pre-rendered backgrounds, like "Resident Evil Remake" for example, would probably look if it would be made with assets which would fully utilize current-gen hardware (PS3/Xbox 360 for example) or even next-gen hardware (like PS4/Xbox 720 for example, or whatever they are going to be called) .

Getting "Resident Evil Zero" and "Resident Evil Remake" with existing last-gen assets rendered at higher resolution would probably be somewhat nice, but it would probably be much nicer if they would instead develop new assets to squeeze out every last bit of performance of current-gen or next-gen hardware, wouldn't it ?

But, ultimately, wouldn't it actually be much better if they would use all their workforce to develop a entirely new "Resident Evil 7" (or whatever you wanna call it) for current-gen or next-gen hardware with classic gameplay and pre-rendered backgrounds instead of remaking older games ?

[yurieu]

The resolution of your monitor is not directly correlated to the output resolution of your render.

If they used Softimage|3D as they modeling tool, the only resolutions available to run the application are 1024x768, 1280x1024 or 1600x1200, so an aspect ratio of 1.333 (4:3).

hm you mean the outputted project? i wonder how that image can be at 3000x3000...

[SonicBlue]

i dont think rendering the upscalled 720p@30fps mansion in chronicles is "sacrifice free"(and the fact chronicles camera cannot be controled). thats why i hope a next generation.

i wonder whats the resolution they used in remake creation. maybe those old 22"crts or even the 24 lcds... maybe 1600x900?

The resolution of your monitor is not directly correlated to the output resolution of your render.

If they used Softimage|3D as they modeling tool, the only resolutions available to run the application are 1024x768, 1280x1024 or 1600x1200, so an aspect ratio of 1.333 (4:3).

[yurieu]

Wow. If current-generation consoles were capable of rendering those environments in real-time without sacrifice, could you imagine playing RE1 with RE4's camera??

i dont think rendering the upscalled 720p@30fps mansion in chronicles is "sacrifice free"(and the fact chronicles camera cannot be controled). thats why i hope a next generation.

i wonder whats the resolution they used in remake creation. maybe those old 22"crts or even the 24 lcds... maybe 1600x900?

[Darkangel]

Wow. If current-generation consoles were capable of rendering those environments in real-time without sacrifice, could you imagine playing RE1 with RE4's camera??

It would be pretty bad. You'd lose the carefully crafted camera angles, and the gameplay would become unbalanced.

[Enigmatism415]

Wow. If current-generation consoles were capable of rendering those environments in real-time without sacrifice, could you imagine playing RE1 with RE4's camera??

[yurieu]

Is this the video?

http://youtu.be/OBHLYo-c_zw

I'm pretty sure Capcom still has the 3D master files for the REmake/0 backgrounds because they used downscaled versions for the environments in Umbrella Chronicles.

wow. simply wow. :O. never saw that video.

and the foolz say "oh, u want static? go play LIN!". foolz.

Remake and Zero are 3d like any other 3d aplication.

[Darkangel]

When Capcom was hyping up the remake in 2001 they released a tech video showing a fly through render of the mansion environment in full 3d. So I figure from that standpoint provided all of the assets were kept it would be quite possible to go back and get higher res images and in widescreen.

Is this the video?

http://youtu.be/OBHLYo-c_zw

I'm pretty sure Capcom still has the 3D master files for the REmake/0 backgrounds because they used downscaled versions for the environments in Umbrella Chronicles.

[yurieu]

When Capcom was hyping up the remake in 2001 they released a tech video showing a fly through render of the mansion environment in full 3d. So I figure from that standpoint provided all of the assets were kept it would be quite possible to go back and get higher res images and in widescreen.

this is a kind of video someone should store for the future.