Anyone know this man?

[Carnivol]

Don't have much more, really.


Basically, we're just fishing for some fresh input from other fans, since we were kinda already tainted by the idea of Ozwell Spencer (3.5) -> Osmund Saddler (probably w/dose of Ramon Salazar). Didn't even think of Lorenzo, but the artwork with the very textured/detailed robe is pretty curious.

At some point, I'd really like to re-visit Haunting Ground (Demento) for some random scouting, but that'll be for another time.

Basically, the robe's 3D model was in same graphical set as the police officers from Resident Evil 4's intro, along with a full set of textures that pretty much included everything but a full 3D model to go with it... and... well... the pants. We didn't quite know what type of pants he'd be wearing (or if he's even wearing any pants).

Enrico will have to correct me here if I'm wrong, but I believe he said he'd already seen the textures long ago (2006-ish), but kinda just shrugged them off as nothing special. Think it might've been upon randomly discovering the coat that the pieces suddenly started falling into place. Not sure what made him suddenly go digging in Resident Evil 4, but it certainly resulted in something awesome.


Basically, you can see the designs of PS2-era Resident Evil 4 being carried over to 3.5, seeing as the facial textures fits the retail GC model of Saddler, I guess it's safe to say that the character would be appearing there somewhere (and likely to be Spencer). I'm not sure if files are anything to go by (as they could just as well randomly be overwritten/revised with no real logic to their naming conventions), but if they are, we could assume that he at least appeared in the intro to the game (as part of the prologue and/or mission briefing) - if not as a proper character in the game.

Reason I mentioned Ramon Salazar earlier is because his clothing style still kinda fits in with the DMC-era character art direction we're assuming 3.5 probably was rolling with too (a style that certainly fit the seemingly castle/mansion focused setting of 3.5 vs. the Madrid outskirts setting of Resident Evil 4).

It could of course just as well be a very early design of Saddler, and not Spencer-related at all too, and that he received a facelift too. We at least know of one alternate Saddler design that has been featured in earlier builds - but that alt. design is still very close to what's seen in the final.

Besides, it wouldn't be the first true 3.5 design element to be found lurking within Resident Evil 4's data. As we've already seen some of the supposed effects/"powers" of 3.5 enabled via things such as general hacking, AR codes and the debug features in Resident Evil 4 (along with a few user triggers for the visual filters of the retail version of Resident Evil 4)

Not to mention the "Thank you for Playing" screens we posted here on THIA a few years back, along with the map and controller info screens from the 3.5 (Hook Man version) demo playthrough video that Capcom released. Not to mention how a character strongly resembling Haunting Ground's main character in a red winter coat appears in one of those pics, carrying a strange resemblance to an alternate Ashley design Enrico posted about over half-a-year ago.

[Enrico Marini]

Yeah, basically I found it in like Feb 2006 when looking for Leon, Ada, Ashley and Krausers textures to do some RE2 mods with. I kind of shrugged them off as I saw Saddlers face, recognised it as Saddler (though in truth this version was a lot older and had white hair) and didn't really pay much attention to the clothing. When you are looking for something specific, you tend to miss things

Basically the only model part left was said coat. But the textures were a good hint of what he should be wearing. Since he had a similar face texture to saddler, I used Saddlers head though this guy could have had a different face model shape. Hair again, the textures were almost a match for Saddler, except they were white. The clothing made it clear he had a cravat and vest so I borrowed Salazars as a base. The boots in his texture were obviously Riding boots so I just built some. The trousers there is a good change are wrong. There isn't a trouser texture apart from a green patch with a gold stripe located on his clothing textures so I assumed this would be his trousers.

Basically his overall shape other than the coat may be a bit off but it gives us an idea of how this guy should have looked.

If there is anything else left in RE4 its likely to be a load of untextured mess like Jill/Regina model.

[ValentineLover]

Wow, the resemblance is huge

[Carnivol]

^ Yup. Kinda funny, isn't it? Like even more pieces of a very weird puzzle are suddenly falling into place.

[Enetirnel]

Carn, Enrico - thank you.

Alright, my apologies as I know I'm going to ramble most likely incoherently due to my exhausted state.
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I would have thought that too, though the reason being I thought of Lorenzo instead of a mixture of the retail Saddler, Salazar is mainly because of the general retail designs out of Demento (not to mention the concept art) having a similar style.

Though, there is also the Alternative colouring (models have additional texture sets used in Hard Mode) to the Lorenzo concept designs I posted before - which is what I was thinking of when I included it in there.

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Such as this one of Riccardo (specifically, the one on the lower-left hand side - ignore the other ones showing general proportions and whatnot).

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Of course, other concepts were quite over the top with lace for Daniella, Fiona (not to mention one of Fiona's ones also suspiciously looks somewhat like an older Sherry with bob haircut and all...) - I mean, Debilitas looked like he was going to be the big, creepy sort of butler or something that eventually goes through an infection and becomes a large, hulking zombie with clothing tattering over time that at a stage may have been changed up and gotten free (sounds like the El Gigante a bit?)

I did see some bits and pieces when I went through the GameCube RE4 version myself, but I admittedly never really bothered with it at the time - so I am quite glad that he did put it back together.

Well, the castle/mansion itself shown in the build that spawned DMC does match up with the style used on the Demento environment itself - although, comparing early footage, images of 3.5 it seems that not that much was really changed when areas were reused in Demento from Division 4 to Division 1...

(A couple of specific areas, that I'm too lazy to screenshot for comparison - the stairs with the gate, the gate was removed, stairs were made longer, the stream below isn't exactly there - the gate matches the wrought-iron fence in the starting room in Demento, and the bridge with a stream has been moved. The open hallways with the columns remain unchanged bar the weather effects, the chapel has had some changes such as the gates removed, the altar modified to include a statue (the table on it was used in retail RE4 and was switched for a stand to be used in a puzzle in Demento), a hallway to the Grand Library was originally part of the Airship hallway we see from the outside was barely converted to an Aquarium (Model Viewer colour background, a couple of fish models and overlaid water effects/bubbles)... among other things).

Of course, it's a completely logical guess with what you've said Carn.

The only reason my mind went to Lorenzo was because of the 3.5 reused materials scattered across Demento, and that some of the other concept art was somewhat similar (the "Dark Man" design similar to the Clock Tower 3 (technically Clock Tower 4...) character known as The Dark Man/Mysterious Man) and the other concepts, such as a reused area that seems to look suspiciously like the 3.5 "Doll Room" (which is also called the Puppet Room in Demento) and the room files marked on the concept art and on the discs have the same file naming scheme as the RE games "ST_##" or whatever it was.

Though also with that concept art from Demento in mind as well as some in-game files (as well as the lyrics to Endless Zero that I've been able to work out) suggest a similar cult idea that is initially a research idea that evolves into a closed community cult attempting to gain eternal life though whatever the Dry and Wet methods' are.

(Though, from what I've translated - it's that it's been careful modification of blood and that it takes an extremely long period of time to get a perfect "Azoth" container within a human body, which could also be replicated faster in smaller amounts with blood from animals), which is not completely explained in Demento due to lack of files and unexplained plot issues in cutscenes (such as how Fiona gets to an area at the end of the game as one such example) aside from that a particular method is preferred over the other from Lorenzo's dialogue.
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February 8th, 1784

I have decided to summon that renowned master alchemist to the castle.
There is talk that the count has used a technique known as the "dry method" to obtain eternal life. Some may consider it sacrilege, but with the lord's thankless cooperation, I will base my research off any findings obtained through their generous sacrifices.

November 16th, 1822

Eternal life obtained through the power of the dry method seems to carry no side effects.
As it stands, the Lord is showing no effects of aging. Even though his skin is cracked, his flesh rotten, and his entrails liquefied, it appears that death will not be visiting him any time soon. However, I will carry on with my research... After all, in my case, time actually is on my side.

May 2nd, 1898

The eternal life brought forth from the power of the dry method is not bound by time nor spiritual energies.
However, it is not enough to fully realize my dreams.
Any research beyond this point will be meaningless without the sacred Azoth.

December 29th, 1944

My interest toward my dry method research is waning.
But I shall write its formula, as well as the results of my research here.
A group of followers and I have calmed the 4 flames which symbolize the basic elements.

Thusly, the alchemic chain has been ruptured and the spirit has been eternally freed from the body.

Of course that's just some general similarities between the retail RE4 and Demento, concept similarities and reused materials that all came to mind before I really thought of Salazar - as we don't really know what was exactly behind Salazar, even though we see his tri-cornered hat in a closet in REmake and the early "Aureolus" Lorenzo portrait pretty much has the same as the final Salazar outfit (the portrait does seem to have some detail in gold around the upper tips of the hat, though none of the floral embroidery on the hat OR the matching coat and Salazar's hat is missing the feather - the rest of the outfit is exactly the same, such as the embroidered coat, vest, cravat... although it's a little tricky to say whether or not the hair is tied back or not).

Though, I am feeling like I'm going a little bit mad but for some reason the concept art for Riccardo Irving does seem to resemble the one of Demento's Riccardo that I've shown earlier in this post, as well as Fiona's father - Ugo.

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The only concept images from RE5 that really bug me are Irving and Excella as they seem to stand out a little bit more in contrast to the other character concepts. I've probably been looking at the Demento concepts a bit too much as Irving is looking quite oddly close to Ugo and/or Riccardo, and Excella does appear to look much more like Fiona (hairstyle, collared necklace as well as the outfit design to similarly styled concept of Fiona).

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(Fiona also had glasses with this blue outfit)

Anyway, my apologies again about the ramblings as I doubt anything I've just written makes any sort of sense - just this is all collectively what made me think of Demento/Haunting Ground first oddly. ;

(And my apologies also for the mixed file hosts - Flash Player isn't working for any uploaders after the update for me).

[kevstah2004]

Just a small the ps2 has unused cutscene models for human form Salazar and the Verdugo body guards, I noticed them when doing enemy swap codes there AI isn't fully programmed and they only walk when shot at then they stand still again until shot the next time, they can probably be used on the gc version too.

[Guest]

Heh Spencer's appearance is perfect for a vampire =p


Haha nice noticing this pic in comparison to spencer.

[Enetirnel]

Heh Spencer's appearance is perfect for a vampire =p


Haha nice noticing this pic in comparison to spencer.

Personally, I would think that the Lorenzo model probably was a base one for Spencer to originally appear but as I said earlier - probably all were derived from the same elderly male concept at the time of RE4's development.

Though, thank you for posting the portrait of Spencer - I was too lazy to look for it. ;

[Carnivol]

Wonder if Capcom, the masters of recycling, would've had 3.5's Spencer first be introduced in design somewhat like the model we posted, to then ultimately end up showing up later in the game bound to a wheelchair like in Resident Evil 5/Lost in Nightmares.

[Enetirnel]

Wonder if Capcom, the masters of recycling, would've had 3.5's Spencer first be introduced in design somewhat like the model we posted, to then ultimately end up showing up later in the game bound to a wheelchair like in Resident Evil 5/Lost in Nightmares.

Ah, I would have replied to this sooner...

I have to admit, I wouldn't be surprised at all considering the amount of things scrapped at a point and reused that we've seen in the past (1.5 areas being reused technically) and some of these odd ones spawned from 3.5.

And somewhat in relation to that, and the Devil May Cry concept art that was posted earlier - I got around to uploading this one from Demento - essentially has the same hair as Spencer, Lorenzo. It also appears to have a cravat tucked into a vest, and we can see the female character is much younger than Fiona in this one (I've included a second one showing the front of that costume) - oddly, the other concept art are all of various outfits of a young female with blonde short cropped hair, cut bob or slightly longer bob with outfits that mostly have a school uniform theme.
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I'm also taking the colour scheme into mind of this particular one I've posted, and looking at 3.5 footage, scans - it looks like it could have fit in at a point, especially with the model at the start of the topic.