Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (Assassin's Cell Solid)

[Vector]

TGS is before Eurogamer's thing. That's when we'll get the goods.

[Dracarys]

Kojima is apparently planning a surprise for Eurogamer Expo in two weeks. Most likely more footage of GZ, which would certainly be enough for me. Hopefully some real gameplay gets mixed in this time(and clarification on the speculation of the type of loading the game will have)

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...r-expo-session

I'm going to that.

edit: DIfferent day though, oh well. Got to see Nolan North do a pump taunt live last year. Very down to earth and funny guy.

[News Bot]

Considering that you're going around the world, that's not a surprise at all. Or was he referring to the levels themselves?

Nobody knows but when has that ever got in the way of hyperbole?

[Dracarys]

Only need look at other current gen games to know the limits. Proper open world games do not come with those levels of graphics on consoles, they can't. The trailer is either run on PC and the actual game will look like shit in comparison or else the world is going to be broken up into rather small sections. I expect at best something the size of Groznyj Grad.

[News Bot]

So basically; you're speculating and don't really know anything. Also, the trailer was run on PC, "at PS3 level". Take from that whatever you will.

[Carnivol]

Proper open world games do not come with those levels of graphics on consoles, they can't. The trailer is either run on PC and the actual game will look like shit in comparison or else the world is going to be broken up into rather small sections.

The "trailer" ran on PC, as Paul said, with "PS3-like" settings.

As for the level of detail, MGS4 STILL looks impressive to this day and we're over 4 years since the launch of that game, which utilizes tech I'm sure Kojima Productions have managed to polish even further, and a lot of the stuff seen in that Ground Zeroes trailer boils down to stuff that's handled by shader effects, effective use of level of detail and solid art-direction.

Assuming everything gameplay-wise is "mostly" set on foot, without free access to vehicles and such, that level of detail is not really a problem on current gen consoles. You see it in plenty of games, just not with such a well handled art direction. The system doesn't have to fetch assets at the same speed an open world game with fast-traveling vehicles has to and scaling what's loaded isn't really a problem either in open world games (like how GTA and such drops loading litter on the streets the moment you start driving, since those are details you don't "need" for the visual experience when you're driving)

What you're seeing in that trailer is pretty much no more impressive than something like RAGE (which despite certain pop-in issues on some setups, looks disgustingly beautiful most of the time - thanks to texture variety and art direction - while maining a steady 60 FPS framerate) , or the Gordiant fight in Lost Planet 2, where you have full rain effects, dynamic lights, lighning strikes acting as a secondary light source for shadows, hundreds (if not even thousands) of on-screen pieces of animated grass affected by general wind and the shockwaves from weapons and the Gordiant's actions.

[Code_R]

Does it really matter? Even open world games have load screens when you enter a new map, a building or a dungeon. Even starting missions on some games. There is no precedent for continous gameplay.

[valentinesdead?]

Well, Kojima has clarified what the loading screens in GZ are, plus revealed new info. There will be "many grand-theft-auto style open worlds." And the demo that was shown off is the prologue to the game, so it's smaller than most of the other "worlds."

Loading is always done in the background, so it’s basically an open world where loading screens do not exist.
The exception to this is when you travel by helicopter—there a loading screen will be inserted.
There will be many Grand Theft Auto-style open worlds, and these are connected by helicopter.
The video that has been released is of the prologue stage, so it’s a small open world. There are bigger ones.
The game has a concept of time, so it varies from morning to afternoon, and then to night in real time. [This could mean "game time," I'm not sure.]
Before using the FOX Engine on other titles going forward, they want to create the standard with open worlds.

http://gematsu.com/2012/09/metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-has-many-open-worlds

Just glad to know the engine actually streams the game, and the only loading screens are in-between helicopter hopping between maps. Hella awesome!

[Dracarys]

Wasn't even worth mentioning loading screens then if just for quick travel, that is just a given.

[valentinesdead?]

Wasn't even worth mentioning loading screens then if just for quick travel, that is just a given.

Yeah. I think Kojima basically gave everyone a unnecessary heartattack with how ambiguous the loading screen statement was worded, but thankfully it's cleared up, so can just get back to being psyched about the game.

[News Bot]

So the bitching was for nothing? I'm shocked.

[Carnivol]

Internet technique at its finest!

[Dracarys]

So, Metal Gear Solid V = Ground Zeroes = Phantom Pain

Ground Zeroes is meant to be a prelude story, kind like MGS3 Virtuous Mission, then Phanton Pain is its Snake Eater, except a massive time gap inbetween them. At least from what I gather from various second hand info.

Oh, and trailer.

edit: oh was a livestream http://uk.gamespot.com/shows/gamespo...eroes-20130327

[[STARS]TyranT]

David Hayter replaced as Snake, he's confirmed on Twitter. Very very sad news

Trailer looks good however.

[Grem]

Finally! I'm really looking forward to this game. No release date confirmed?