Bin Laden is Dead, nee Gay topic

[Smiley]

How would you like to be the guy who took the shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2HzhDBF5Nw#t=00m42s

[Trent]

You mean "more rationally thinking people" surely?

Tread carefully, will you? Talk about generalizing on an epic scale. You really need to choose your words carefully, Stu.

Repercussions or an aggressive response is rather obvious. Let them have their celebrations for Pete's sake.

[Mr. Spencer]

But I wasn't saying anything! D:

[Bertha]

A lot of these were the reasons I celebrated the Royal Wedding, yet I notice there was a lot of scorn on this forum for that. Millions of Brits taking to the street celebrating, bringing the country together and showing pride for their country, widespread joy across the nation and across the Commonwealth.

What do you mean by "the reaction I was expecting from non-Americans"? A friend of mine lost a family member in the 7/7 bombings so I don't know what that is meant to suggest.

I believe what he means is that some users just have to pop up and say bullshit. Bin Laden was responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people, not just Americans. "HEY BRITFAGS! REMEMBER THAT TRAIN THAT BLEW UP AND KILL A BUNCH OF PEOPLE?" Yeah..bin Laden wanted to kill your asses too. It's not simply about revenge. When any one commits a crime, especially something so terrible, everyone affected wants to see that person come to justice, whether it be jail or death. If you're saying you would be happy to just ignore the fact that someone responsible for the death of a loved one should simply got off free you should probably seek attention for whatever mental disorder you have.

Using the whole thought process of "It changes nothing" is very shallow. Yes, it wont bring the dead back. Yes, in a few months they will most likely regroup and try to retaliate. Yes, he will be seen as a martyr. No, this will not solve any of the financial problems caused by drawn out wars. However...for many people around the world, a dangerous man responsible for (let's repeat this all together now) the deaths of thousands of people worldwide is now dead, and the Americans responsible did so with as few casualties as possible.

This was something many people around the world never thought we could accomplish. IF you watched the news, just about everyone they interviewed said they never believed it could be done. Mission accomplished.

Now please, continue on. I'm sure your rebuttals will be a lovely heap of gargabe. Mission accomplished, whether you like it or not.

[Mr. Spencer]

...kind of like how I can't understand the joy and jubilation that the English must have felt during the Royal Wedding. I appreciate it, though.

Majority of us didn't give a fuck about the Royal Wedding. The lack of care is amazing.

[Vector]

Things have gotten back to normal today. Obama's on TV right now awarding posthumous Medals of Honor to Korean War veterans.

Last night was just a special, spontaneous outpouring of emotion that is difficult to describe to people who weren't here. Like I said in my original post, it's not just about Americans. Bin Laden not only hated Americans but the ideals of freedom, justice and love. I'm simply saying that you can't understand what it was like last night if you weren't here, kind of like how I can't understand the joy and jubilation that the English must have felt during the Royal Wedding. I appreciate it, though.

It's another one of those generation-defining moments, a moment where you'll always remember where you were when you heard the news.

[Darkmoon]

OK guys, let's not go for the random pointless fighting route. Express your opinion in a calm, rational manner not designed to wind other people up please.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Pretty much the reactions I was expecting from non-Americans. I think most of us know the possible repercussions, and are prepared and expecting Al Qaeda to want to retaliate in some way. In the big picture, it's just one guy, and we get it...

...but last night, we saw hundreds of thousands of people spontaneously take to the streets at 10:30 at night to celebrate. Widespread joy ALL around the country. I don't remember seeing anything like it in my lifetime. The word is used a lot, but it's extremely applicable -- I felt a sense of 'closure' last night, and still do today.



For years, we wanted this son of a bitch. He's been on the FBI's Most Wanted list since 1999. Killing him doesn't end terrorism or the wars overseas, but the symbolism of the day cannot be overstated. It brought Americans together again, and that's something special.

A lot of these were the reasons I celebrated the Royal Wedding, yet I notice there was a lot of scorn on this forum for that. Millions of Brits taking to the street celebrating, bringing the country together and showing pride for their country, widespread joy across the nation and across the Commonwealth.

What do you mean by "the reaction I was expecting from non-Americans"? A friend of mine lost a family member in the 7/7 bombings so I don't know what that is meant to suggest.

[Stu]

Put the handbag down sweetheart. There's no elitism here, it's common sense. As i'm sure us "elitist pricks" that seemed to agree with my comments would all agree.

There will be reprecussions from this, I think we can all see that.

Agreed. All dancing on the streets did was wave a red flag to a raging bull.

[Mr. Spencer]

There will be reprecussions from this, I think we can all see that.

[Vector]

You mean "more rationally thinking people" surely?

"Elitist pricks" like you, is the term I was thinking. I wouldn't lump you in with any other rational, intelligent user on the site...that would be rude to them. What I meant was, I expected people to come in here and be preachy because you weren't here to experience the reaction. We all got caught up in the moment last night.

I can't speak for everybody else but I know through my joy and celebration, in the back of my head I couldn't help thinking "it's gonna get worse before it gets better again." I'm not naive enough to think otherwise.

[Mr. Spencer]

Osama's death has been a symbolic victory for America and the western world. While I personally am somewhat divided about the image of an entire nation celebrating the death of one individual, I can understand that people might have certain feelings towards this man that I don't. Way I see it, Osama was using pretty much all of his resources towards survival as opposed to planning some terrorist action. Don't shun me for this but to use a reference that we would all appreciate, it's not unlike what Ozwell E. Spencer did following Umbrella's destruction. He wasn't using his resources to revive Umbrella, he was trying to avoid being discovered and trying to stay alive.

Think about it, Osama had the world after him and was placed on the top of the FBI's most wanted list. You generally don't survive too long with a bounty of that size on your head. If I was him I'd have been doing the same thing, using every method at my disposal to evade detection.

On that note, I also wonder if bringing him in alive would have been the better alternative. If it was indeed possible. Think of the information we could have gleaned from him, this man was a key al-Qaeda figure. However, killing him off was better than nothing and like I said, a symbolic victory if anything.

Anyway, to quote Oscar Wilde - "Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious".

[Stu]

Pretty much the reactions I was expecting from non-Americans.

You mean "more rationally thinking people" surely?

Or was 9/11 YOUR tragedy? Do we forget for example that it was the greatest post-war loss of British life? Are we not allowed an opinion on the situation? Was London not also the target of bomings? Or because America lost more lives THAT is what makes it more important to you than us?

[Vector]

Pretty much the reactions I was expecting from non-Americans. I think most of us know the possible repercussions, and are prepared and expecting Al Qaeda to want to retaliate in some way. In the big picture, it's just one guy, and we get it...

...but last night, we saw hundreds of thousands of people spontaneously take to the streets at 10:30 at night to celebrate. Widespread joy ALL around the country. I don't remember seeing anything like it in my lifetime. The word is used a lot, but it's extremely applicable -- I felt a sense of 'closure' last night, and still do today.



For years, we wanted this son of a bitch. He's been on the FBI's Most Wanted list since 1999. Killing him doesn't end terrorism or the wars overseas, but the symbolism of the day cannot be overstated. It brought Americans together again, and that's something special.

[Darkmoon]

it has nothing to do with his race it never did, he should have presented it three years ago and it would never been an issue.

I may be wrong, but my wife tells me he couldn't - that although he showed the short version of his birth certificate, his...opponents demanded to see the long version of his birth certificate, which was never supposed to leave the hall of records where it was kept or some such. In other words, he literally couldn't and had to get special permission to show it.

And honestly? He should never had to show it. I call utter bullshit on him even needing to show the thing. I demand to see the birth certificate of every fucker running for president from now on. Even though I'm not American. Because seriously? Demanding to see someone's birth certificate 'cos he's not white is bullshit, and let's be realistic, that is the sole and only reason it's being demanded.

Now, Palin? That loony bitch needs to show hers because, given some of the stuff she's said, I'm not sure she's human. Let alone American.