Bin Laden is Dead, nee Gay topic

[Darkmoon]

Having given ten infraction points to the worst offenders in the thread, I'm going to unlock it, with the theory that people here are adult enough to discuss complex political situations while managing enough empathy for those who disagree to not resort to any more of the less pleasant remarks and actions.

And yes, by the rules most of the people who got an infraction earned more. I'm choosing to assume that with such a heated topic they lost control of themselves for a moment, and hopefully now regret those actions. Or can at least not repeat them.

If there are more issues I'll be happy to go back over the person's posts and find each infraction worth offence for the next time.

Do not proove my assumption that most of you are adults and can control your tempers wrong, please people.

[Bertha]

- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Dr. King was a great man, yes. However, advocating nonviolence in his time is a bit different from what is going on today. If you can find a way to prove to me that showing nonviolence in dealing with people willing to use women (already oppressed and brainwashed into believing they are inferior), children, and mentally disabled to suiced bomb their own people, then you should be king of the fucking world. Not all white people where against what Dr. King was doing, hence the success of his actions. Terrorists arent going to look at Westerners who want peace and say "Oh....maybe we should just stop our jihad. Maybe our God really doesnt want us to kill them because XXXXX like we thought."

This isn't simply America celebrating bin Laden's death. Many Western countries are celebrating what they believe is a success in the 'war on terror' in which people do such terrible acts on people simply because they have ideas...oh...such as freedom of speech and quality for women. As I said before...this wont end terrorism. It wont change or bring back all that people have lost over these years. However, people feel like a great justice has been performed because the leader of one of the groups, a man that masterminded many attacks before and after 9/11 and manipulated people into doing what he wanted, is now gone. Will there be another man? Highly possible and probable, but that man will have huge shoes to fill, and it will take a decent amount of effort to gain momentum.

[Mr. Spencer]

You're right. Celebrating the deaths of mass murderers and extremists like Hitler and Bin Laden is very wrong.

I was speaking with Chimera earlier and he and I are in agreement, the world is becoming a lot more boring now that all the major villains are gone. No more Hitlers or Stalins to keep us on our toes, Saddam's been killed off and now Osama bin Laden. Kim Jong Il isn't important, China's always around to bitchslap him into obedience. Gaddafi's one of the last few baddies left and his time is up soon, we can all see that happening.

To quote Chimera, "We once fought the steel of German guns yet now we face the sandals of the Middle East". Or something like that, can't remember the exact quote but it was great.

[Darkmoon]

Topic is locked, because it's not going anywhere good. And yes, I will be handing out infractions later. I didn't last night because I was in a foul mood. Now, I simply need time to decide whether or not to show anything remotely resembling mercy and not give out max points, because otherwise I suspect the forums will be very quiet for the next few days.

[ANDYARKLAY]

Oh, so as long as YOU weren't affected, it's all good? Fuck off.

He did something against you, really?

Fuck off.

Please be more patient

[Vector]

Bin Laden did nothing good or bad for most of people here

Oh, so as long as YOU weren't affected, it's all good? Fuck off.

I really don't know what else I could say at this point.

[ANDYARKLAY]

You're right. Celebrating the deaths of mass murderers and extremists like Hitler and Bin Laden is very wrong.

Bin Laden did nothing good or bad for most of people here(sorry if i'm wrong and he did something with someone from your families). So, hating him only because of mass media info IMHO is a little bit strange(i point out that i'm not saying that its crazy to trust mass media). I read other version about who and why killed so many people on 9/11, i trust to it more than to "official" version.

[Darkmoon]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."

- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[Jill4EverSTARS]

Killing of innocents is wrong but our ideology is different from theirs they feel justified in what they do and no I'm not being unpatriotic I love America but I will take the Sophist standpoint I remember reading the Afghanistan and Iraq reports on Wikileaks and we Americans ourselves spilled more blood of innumerable innocents than actual insurgents and al Qaeda fighters

[Vector]

I agree that its wrong to celebrate death of someone.

You're right. Celebrating the deaths of mass murderers and extremists like Hitler and Bin Laden is very wrong.

[ANDYARKLAY]

Very very well said and I feel the same way

I agree that its wrong to celebrate death of someone.

[Vector]

Think of it. If a leader in our country were killed by another government in the manner in which Osama bin Laden was killed, as "justice" for his acts of aggression in the War on Terror -- and people from that other country were shown proudly chanting the country's name, singing their national anthem, and demonstrating in the streets -- Americans would likely feel more sickened than joyful, don't you think? The impulse to celebrate a death depends on what side you're on.

One problem with this: civilized militaries of the western world don't target innocent civilians specifically like terrorists do. Some might die in collateral damage, and it's awful, but they're not the target. Terrorism targets innocent lives. Targeting uniformed soldiers with roadside bombs is one thing, it might be cowardly but it's still warfare. Attacking subways and buildings where people live and work is what terrorists are known for.

This is just a really poor example by the author. Bin Laden wasn't a government leader, he was a radical terrorist who preached murder and hatred. It's not a valid comparison whatsoever. The so-called 'war on terrorism' has left many innocents dead, but that's war. Terrorism is not war. I'm not dismissing the lives lost at war, but comparing that to victims of terrorism is not the same.

We will only have peace when we stop the cycle of jubilation over acts of violence.

There will never be peace. That's a fact. Mankind will always kill each other, it is our nature.

[Jill4EverSTARS]

An interesting read:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pamela...?ref=fb&src=sp

Very very well said and I feel the same way

[Alexia_Ashford]

An interesting read:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pamela-gerloff/the-psychology-of-revenge_b_856184.html?ref=fb&src=sp

[ANDYARKLAY]

This thread is so full of ... ah... forget it.

Its meant to be full of...)))Politics and internet is a such thing. Especially funny when people are living and different countries and getting different information about situation.

Unknown reasons such as not really knowing that the problems exist or the level of seriousness perhaps, unless you are on a grand conspiracy scheme concerning media?

IMHO massmedia is only one source for almost everyone here.
Mass media is able to fool everyone and i think mass media fool everyone. I suspect mass media fool everyone even with Libya's situation. Nobody here is interested in this situation enough to find a way to contact demonstrators(not with leaders!) or talk with Libya's people. Maybe nobody wants to give any oil to anyone.