The Tale of 1.5

[J0shuaKane]

I think after what DarkMoon just wrote it's incredibly if not the highest point of disrespect to say to them 'YOU DONT FULLY OWN IT NEWAY'.
Please, just don't post if you're going to say something like that. It's not about Capcom owning it, its about the morals of screwing over a team who payed $8000 on a game so that they could touch it up and release it for you ungrateful bastards. The fact is, these people got it because they were trusted and clearly - they only want their e-fame. It's not about 'oh you guys woulda freaked out if someone did this a couple years ago' when back then, no-one was working on a full recreation of all missing content.

This community disgusts me, I am genuinely disgusted at all the comments I've seen begging for content, demanding videos, praising leaks, smiting the team because they can't get their head around hacking into the disc to rip content (then you probably shouldn't be hacking/making mods), and now smiting the team because some cunt received a copy off them for trust yet screws them over and praises that said cunt.

"This is why we can't have nice things."

sounds like you just don't want people to ruin a good thing for you.

and thanks for summarizing what i said, completely missing the point. i don't think darkmoon felt disrespected because of my logic. and see how he responded with explanations and addressing what was said directly. not just throw around insults and re-word what people say.

[News Bot]

THIA members were always speculating and accusing newsbot of possessing a legit copy of RE1.5 beta that he don't wanna share with the community, but i never thought it was you darkmoon LOL ! The good news is that these false accusations will be lifted off newsbot shoulder thanks to you ! unless he possess a copy of BH3.5 LOL !

Have they? I don't recall being accused of having it, just that everything I ever say on any subject is a dirty lie.

[Rick Hunter]

if colvin lied and went against the agreement, then i am wrong and sorry for defending his actions.

It's ALL about respect and confidentiality for the greater good in the long term, even if there's no "agreement".

That's a very basic thing to understand. But people just don't get it. Before, now, after, they just don't get it. And they will keep asking moronic questions about private details, they will keep expecting things they don't deserve, and it will keep resulting in missed opportunities that all of us could have benefited from.

"This is why we can't have nice things."

It'll never change.

[Gradon]

sounds like you just don't want people to ruin a good thing for you.

What are you on about? What 'good thing' don't I want people to ruin for myself?

and see how he responded with explanations and addressing what was said directly. not just throw around insults and re-word what people say.

Hardly threw insults around, I just said the people who demand for stuff and treat the team like shit even though the team is the reason they're even able to play 1.5 is fucking childish and ungrateful.

Re-wording what people say? Well it just annoys me that people will skim over and continue with their 'well it's not our problem, we don't care if you're screwed over of $8000.'

[J0shuaKane]

What are you on about? What 'good thing' don't I want people to ruin for myself?

this...

It's ALL about respect and confidentiality for the greater good in the long term, even if there's no "agreement".

That's a very basic thing to understand. But people just don't get it. Before, now, after, they just don't get it. And they will keep asking moronic questions about private details, they will keep expecting things they don't deserve, and it will keep resulting in missed opportunities that all of us could have benefited from.

its very arrogant and says everyone should do what you feel is best.

its not about not caring, its about respecting what people do because it is their choice to do it. lying and scamming is wrong, but asking questions and posting things you acquire legitimately is ok no matter who it offends.

[biohazard_star]

Sounds like there's a lot of moral dilemmas surrounding this release of 1.5. As I understand, everyone who got a copy of the original build was probably asked to refrain from distributing it or talking about what they have unless it's necessary (i.e. beneficial to the project). While yes, the team doesn't have any "legal" right to own the build, the fact that leak(s) happened because of some rather morally reprehensible acts make the whole thing look unsavory. I don't know how to feel about the people who are actually supporting and pushing for even more leaks, despite fully knowing that they are brought about by closed door backstabbings and shady cloak-and-dagger acts.

Then again, I guess a lot of people simply don't care about morals, so long as they're benefitting from what's happening. Only in the short run anyway, of course. Needless to say, this sort of attitude has probably already driven any private beta collector with a different copy of 1.5 who was willing to contribute to the project very far away from the RE community.

[Rick Hunter]

its very arrogant and says everyone should do what you feel is best.

its not about not caring, its about respecting what people do because it is their choice to do it. lying and scamming is wrong, but asking questions and posting things you acquire legitimately is ok no matter who it offends.

Your post proves my point when I say people will never learn and don't understand basic things. That's sad.

[News Bot]

Then again, I guess a lot of people simply don't care about morals, so long as they're benefitting from what's happening. Only in the short run anyway, of course. Needless to say, this sort of attitude has probably already driven any private beta collector with a different copy of 1.5 who was willing to contribute to the project very far away from the RE community.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head here. Some people don't care as long as they get whatever they want free of charge, and they'll go to any lengths to twist and distort a bastard variation of logic to try and justify their position on any given matter.

[J0shuaKane]

Your post proves my point when I say people will never learn and don't understand basic things. That's sad.

you call it a "basic thing", but it is just your belief. you call it "understanding", but its just you want everyone to have the same view as you. so it can benefit the community you are in.

you are over-flowing with arrogance, and lack respect for individuals.


and me personally have not touched the leaked build, have no interest in the vanilla build, and only want the finished version and want it to be the best it can be like everyone else here. but if that is not what other people want to dedicate their actions to, thats fine.

[biohazard_star]

posting things you acquire legitimately is ok no matter who it offends.

Yes. But how do we know that the 40% build that is allegedly gonna be leaked today isn't simply an iso copy that was intercepted through some shady means from IGAS? I would understand if it came from a different source, like another authentic copy of the build meant for a different magazine company/reviewer, but that seems very unlikely seeing as how all the leaks have only sprung up within the timeframe of IGAS' acquisition of the build. But yea, anyone should be free to share stuff they have, so long as they ponied up the dough for it and/or aren't breaking agreements they made that were already part of the deal in the first place.

[Carnivol]

Ahah. THIA suspecting News Bot of something? Sure, Paul's got access to various things, but, man, I don't think I've ever seen him care for anything related to prototypes. All 'bout the canon, ladies and gents! To the bitter end. Although, he has been branching out to the "what could have been" with some of the supplemental material lately.

I want to say something about Colvin too, and that is; regardless of how many times he may fuck something up, he's still contributed with way more content and material for the RE community (on his own, no screw overs included) than pretty much most of you. I can't justify or defend any of this 1.5 stuff that he was involved in, but people seriously need to shut the fuck up about him if all they know are his cock ups and none of his contributions. He's also been around the RE community since the average user on these forums were still in their diapers. He's not some evil jackass that sits around plotting his next "fuck up" or anything like that. If you want to look for answers that explain his behavior, I suggest watching Stephen Fry's "Life of a Manic Depressive" or "Silver Lingins Playbook."

Pretty much hit the nail on the head here. Some people don't care as long as they get whatever they want free of charge, and they'll go to any lengths to twist and distort a bastard variation of logic to try and justify their position on any given matter.

Pretty much. Throw in impatience and lack of being able to see a bigger picture than their own 5 minutes of e-fame, and you've got a great mix. In the end, a lot of people don't want to work together, do things for others, etc.. They also, sadly enough, lack basic empathy and any will to understand or acknowledge the consequences of their own actions. 'Cause everyone has a choice. Just 'cause they're somehow distanced from something, doesn't mean they shouldn't consider the consequences of their actions. But, sadly, people only want things for themselves. Not just in cases where things hurts others, but even in cases where a bit of cooperation, rational thinking, and calm actions could've benefit everyone in the long run - even giving the decission making individual more of an elevated position in the process too.

It is kinda hilarious, to think that some "communities" aren't really communities per say, but rather just large flocks of greedy seagulls.

[warren]

one year and half ago ? so when curator was selling everything ?

i am annoying, i know.

[MeganGrass]

I want to say something about Colvin too, and that is; regardless of how many times he may fuck something up, he's still contributed with way more content and material for the RE community (on his own, no screw overs included) than pretty much most of you. I can't justify or defend any of this 1.5 stuff that he was involved in, but people seriously need to shut the fuck up about him if all they know are his cock ups and none of his contributions. He's also been around the RE community since the average user on these forums were still in their diapers. He's not some evil jackass that sits around plotting his next "fuck up" or anything like that. If you want to look for answers that explain his behavior, I suggest watching Stephen Fry's "Life of a Manic Depressive" or "Silver Lingins Playbook."

My 2 cents:

Colvin has a disability. In fact, we both share the same disability (bipolar disorder), at least, that's what he told me xyz years ago.

That said, anyone with the illness will know that daily-life can be a rollercoaster ride. I'm not defending the guy's actions, but it should at least be considered what life with this disability can lead to. I can't directly speak for the guy, but it's not a "Look at me!" scenario, as many would believe. It's more like, "I'm alive, again! I feel great! (disclaimer: mood subject to change)". For visual comparison, think of the movie "O Brother, where art thou?", where the character "Babyface Nelson" gets a natural high from robbing banks. When he's done, he's just stalemate and sad.

After all, what goes up must come back down. It's just the nature of a person with bipolar disorder. I firmly believe he did what he did just to feel he was apart of something, not to intentionally sabotage anyone's work.

[Carnivol]

^Just didn't want to mention it directly, but, yeah, bipolarity is what was more commonly known as manic depression before. Stephen Fry's documentary on it is pretty exceptional, as it doesn't really focus on "everyday people" who has it, but famous people who suffer from it (some surprising names in it, even). It's an interesting condition, but with lots of tragedies associated with it, and it's often the main driving force behind people's rise to fame and their talent(s) (and often also, sadly enough, the cause of their fall too).

But, yeah, I dunno how it is for you, as people experience these things differently, but I found The Silver Linings Playbook and the general dialog/behavior/acting in it to be pretty spot on in terms of how a close friend of mine is. (Yeah! It's not just a romantic movie about two good looking people finding one another; it's actually a pretty down to earth and accurate portrayal of individuals suffering from bipolarity; dilusions, cravings, mood swings, extreme opinions, control issues, etc.)

[Dracarys]

Amazing how much drama erupts from lack of common sense and common decency.