Wesker's Report - Canonicity Debate (or the Official "WTF Hiroki Kato!?" Thread)

[Stu]

ITT: News Bot start a thread purely to show off his perceived superior knowledge of the Resident Evil.

Haven't we been here several times before Paul?

[News Bot]

Probably, but the game never confirmed he died. It wouldn't be the first time in a RE game a character incredibly escaped and explosion, would it? It's possible there was meant to be some link between Gaiden and RE4 Leon, in the original versions of it. We'll never know for sure, obviously, and it may well be something other than the infection, but there is the possibility.

Sure. Hypothetically. But hypothetically I could have a 12 inch penis. Doesn't make it true. Circumstantial evidence points to his silly hair being at the bottom of the ocean and since Gaiden has and will never be followed up on there's no reason to believe otherwise apart from "what-if" and that simply isn't good enough. And there was no link between Gaiden and BH4. Sugimura did not acknowledge Gaiden and neither has any other writer in the series ever.

[Darkmoon]

Probably, but the game never confirmed he died. It wouldn't be the first time in a RE game a character incredibly escaped and explosion, would it? It's possible there was meant to be some link between Gaiden and RE4 Leon, in the original versions of it. We'll never know for sure, obviously, and it may well be something other than the infection, but there is the possibility.

[News Bot]

I may be wrong here, since it's been many a moon since I played Gaiden (the music...Oh God, the music...) but as I understand the game we don't actually know what happened to Leon. He's been replaced by a B.O.W but we have no idea exactly what happened to the real Leon, do we?

Ship explodes and sinks while his last known whereabouts are in the engine room. The game is never mentioned again in the series, ever, and the plot is never elaborated on or revisited. So for all intents and purposes, he be dead.

[Darkmoon]

I may be wrong here, since it's been many a moon since I played Gaiden (the music...Oh God, the music...) but as I understand the game we don't actually know what happened to Leon. He's been replaced by a B.O.W but we have no idea exactly what happened to the real Leon, do we?

[News Bot]

How can there be no infection if there are zombies there?

No Progenitor infection. Leon was infected with the Progenitor virus in some of the older versions of biohazard 4.

[alexdz]

I think it's partly canon, things that contradict other games aren't canon, like Leon on a anti-Umbrella organization or Sherry being captured by Wesker, while what doesn't contradict the other games is canon.

How can there be no infection if there are zombies there?

[News Bot]

Yes I get the thing about the B.O.W being identified earlier in the game, I own and have played and completed it. But the GBC graphics were crap so they used green blood to show infection, leading to the confusion. Is why it uses a question mark instead of a exclamation mark when it shows it, a question mark serves no purpose when we know what it means.

I've never read a magazine called gaming world, back 10 years ago almost the only mags I ever bought were Gamesmaster (for the posters!) and OPM (for demos), rarely anything else though I did often buy other mags for RE artworks. It was in Gamesmaster I am almost sure though.

Once again, there is no infection. That's just speculation on your part and the game says otherwise. Completely unfounded. And thanks, but keep searching for the issue so we can get something concrete.

[Dracarys]

Yes I get the thing about the B.O.W being identified earlier in the game, I own and have played and completed it. But the GBC graphics were crap so they used green blood to show infection, leading to the confusion. Is why it uses a question mark instead of a exclamation mark when it shows it, a question mark serves no purpose when we know what it means.

I've never read a magazine called gaming world, back 10 years ago almost the only mags I ever bought were Gamesmaster (for the posters!) and OPM (for demos), rarely anything else though I did often buy other mags for RE artworks. It was in Gamesmaster I am almost sure though.

[News Bot]

Killing Leon is optional in ORC, same as killing Barry or Rebecca in RE1/REmake. Did you post a link? You said "If this is the interview I think you're referring to" but presented nothing, what is 'this'? It is real anyway it was a magazine I actually read, not heard about. I probably still have it in storage somewhere at my dads.

...and Leon was not dead, the game and its visuals were just very limited.

The link doesn't work anymore for it (WayBack Machine has failed us) but:

GamingWorld - X Clusive Interview: Resident Evil 4 with Capcom (November 20, 2002)
GamingWorld X News - Statement from John Luedtke Regarding Biohazard 4 (November 21, 2002)

You still need to specify what magazine and who was the actual subject of the interview, because I have a feeling if it even says anything about Gaiden, it's a comment from the magazine editor. Otherwise someone would have picked up on it being a statement from the developers.

And Leon IS dead. He never makes it off the ship. Read again.

And the B.O.W. bleeds green blood when it is impersonating someone. There is no infection at all in Gaiden, it's a shape-shifting B.O.W. that bleeds green blood. The blood is used as a plot device earlier in the game when it impersonates Lucia. At the end of the game, Leon is dead and the B.O.W. is impersonating him. That's why the ending is sinister.

Green blood does not represent infection. It represents the B.O.W. impersonating a human being. If you played Gaiden you'd understand it better I think because it's a major plot device during the game when there are suddenly two Lucias. One is Lucia, the other (which bleeds green blood) is the B.O.W. To be blunt this whole idea you have about infection in Gaiden in general = nonsense, because it never happens. Every molecule in "Leon" at the end is not Leon, it is a B.O.W.

[Dracarys]

Killing Leon is optional in ORC, same as killing Barry or Rebecca in RE1/REmake. Did you post a link? You said "If this is the interview I think you're referring to" but presented nothing, what is 'this'? It is real anyway it was a magazine I actually read, not heard about. I probably still have it in storage somewhere at my dads.

...and Leon was not dead, the game and its visuals were just very limited.

[News Bot]

I read it in an interview in a magazine about RE 3.5. Discussing Leons infection he clearly indicated he was infected during Gaiden, I remember it having an image of Leons neck from Gaiden on the page also. Leon dying at the end of Gaiden is false, I don't know how the idea he died got started at all. Why would Capcom have killed him off in a GBC game of all things?

If this is the interview I think you're referring to, it was confirmed fake. But still, please provide the source because your memory alone won't suffice if nobody else has never seen it either. And the B.O.W. bleeds green blood when it is impersonating someone. There is no infection at all in Gaiden, it's a shape-shifting B.O.W. that bleeds green blood. The blood is used as a plot device earlier in the game when it impersonates Lucia. At the end of the game, Leon is dead and the B.O.W. is impersonating him. That's why the ending is sinister.

And they would kill him off because it isn't canon. Why would they have him killed off in a third person shooter? Oh wait...

[Dracarys]

Gaiden did not set up Leon's infection. Stop spreading this as though it's fact, because it's completely unfounded and utter speculation. There's no indication that Sugimura even acknowledged Gaiden, and Leon's infection was meant to happen during biohazard 4 itself. And more importantly, Leon does not get infected in Gaiden. He DIES in Gaiden.

I read it in an interview in a magazine about RE 3.5. Discussing Leons infection he clearly indicated he was infected during Gaiden, I remember it having an image of Leons neck from Gaiden on the page also. Leon dying at the end of Gaiden is false, I don't know how the idea he died got started at all. Why would Capcom have killed him off in a GBC game of all things?

[Vito]

Didnt that scene with Hunk in Darkside not canon?