Wesker's Report - Canonicity Debate (or the Official "WTF Hiroki Kato!?" Thread)

[Vito]

Im lost.. what exactly is wrong here?

[Darkmoon]

I guess they can't make up there mind about what they want to with some stuff, so they're...uhhh...pissing about, really. Keeping all possibilities open?

[Archelon]

Well I can confirm that Wesker's Report has been slightly amended for inclusion in Archives 2.

Th opening is extended with Wesker mentioning how Spencer and Birkin signed a secret pact regarding the betrayal of Dr. Marcus and how Birkin is now at the core of Umbrella's scientists in charge of further research and development of the G Virus.

Wesker also mentions that he feels Spencer may underestimate his abilities.

Ada's undercover work discovers that a researcher is nearing completeness of the G-Virus but is refusing to give it to Umbrella. Wesker interprets this to be Birkin.

The rest of the report remains the same, although it says Hunk picked up the sample from Sherry's pendant after Leon had tossed it away?

It also reinstates the last line about Sherry being in Wesker's hands.

What the hell, Capcom?

Seriously. What. The. Hell?

[TheBatMan]

Well I can confirm that Wesker's Report has been slightly amended for inclusion in Archives 2.

Th opening is extended with Wesker mentioning how Spencer and Birkin signed a secret pact regarding the betrayal of Dr. Marcus and how Birkin is now at the core of Umbrella's scientists in charge of further research and development of the G Virus.

Wesker also mentions that he feels Spencer may underestimate his abilities.

Ada's undercover work discovers that a researcher is nearing completeness of the G-Virus but is refusing to give it to Umbrella. Wesker interprets this to be Birkin.

The rest of the report remains the same, although it says Hunk picked up the sample from Sherry's pendant after Leon had tossed it away?

It also reinstates the last line about Sherry being in Wesker's hands.

[News Bot]

Just to go back on topic, there may be another possible version of Wesker's Report. The transcript in Archives 2 makes reference to Spencer which I don't believe is in any version thus far. I'll double check tomorrow.

Definitely interesting. We need to have a closer look. We don't have a full accurate translation of WR yet so it might as well be the Archives II version. The translation which Welsh did a long time ago was based on the subtitles of the 10th Anniversary Edition. However, I think the subtitles are based on a translation of Waugh's lines rather than the original script itself. That might be why Spencer appears in the script rather than the English lines and subtitles.

[TheBatMan]

I agree none of the self-destruct mechanisms seem to be accurate when it comes to five minute countdowns, Code Veronica probably being the worst example, but I still think Wesker escaping from the mansion is more realistic than him physically finding his way down to the lab in RE2 and helping her escape.

I like to think that, contrary to what UC shows, Wesker does the logical thing and simply jumps over the railing by the fountain and heads to the forest (which gives a somewhat wider berth between him and the facility). It never made sense that he'd backtrack through the entire mansion instead of taking a shortcut (what with his newfound powers and all).

Agreed. Not to mention the fact that Lisa Trevor somehow hauls her way out of that deep chasm. I think we all could have done without the Beginnings and Rebirth scenarios of UC. They just seemed to be forced in there to serve no other purpose than to satisfy fan boy pleas to play as Wesker is the mansion.

Just to go back on topic, there may be another possible version of Wesker's Report. The transcript in Archives 2 makes reference to Spencer which I don't believe is in any version thus far. I'll double check tomorrow.

[DarkMemories]

I like to think that, contrary to what UC shows, Wesker does the logical thing and simply jumps over the railing by the fountain and heads to the forest (which gives a somewhat wider berth between him and the facility). It never made sense that he'd backtrack through the entire mansion instead of taking a shortcut (what with his newfound powers and all).

[Archelon]

I'd say the idea of Wesker being in Raccoon City and physically rescuing Ada from the lab minutes before it exploded is much more implausible given the time constraints.

You could say the same thing about his escape from the mansion. The self destruct countdown just seemed to conveniently stop (seriously, it was like the last five minutes before Namek blew up) while Wesker was making his way through the lab and mansion.

It's much the same with Ada's retrieval of the tissue fragment from Birkin's corpse and escape from the lab. And she doesn't have Wesker's super speed as a copout.

[TheBatMan]

I actually think the idea of Wesker physically being there sounds more logical than an injured woman using a hook shot to grab on to a fast moving helicopter's cargo and remain hanging on, despite the fact that the shockwave of the nuke probably should have knocked her off. Then she either goes completely undetected by Sergei and any people at the location of where they land...or they simply just don't care that a spy with the g-sample is tagging along. I never liked Ada's bit in UC simply because of how out of place it felt. Despite the fact that the facility was going to explode, she somehow manages to find time to bandage herself, escape to the sewers even though you had to take how many train cars/elevators to get there, and then battle through hordes of undead...with only her handgun. Right. I think the hookshot was just a throwback to re4.

Unless Ada was actually working with Sergei and they welcomed her aboard, which I dont think she was?

I'd say the idea of Wesker being in Raccoon City and physically rescuing Ada from the lab minutes before it exploded is much more implausible given the time constraints.
Also you do realise that Death's Door takes place a full day after the lab exploded yes? She obviously patched herself up after escaping the lab with the sample then went to the sewers.

[Archelon]

I actually think the idea of Wesker physically being there sounds more logical than an injured woman using a hook shot to grab on to a fast moving helicopter's cargo and remain hanging on, despite the fact that the shockwave of the nuke probably should have knocked her off

I don't disagree, but I still think UC takes precedence. Unless ORC decides to change it again and say that Wesker was actually there in Raccoon while everything was going down, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms, given the source.

Despite the fact that the facility was going to explode, she somehow manages to find time to bandage herself, escape to the sewers even though you had to take how many train cars/elevators to get there, and then battle through hordes of undead...with only her handgun.

Don't forget she also somehow managed to collect a tissue fragment from Birkin's corpse, ha ha.

[Bertha]

It's kind of like Ada escaping on Sergei's helicopter. In WR, Wesker says he rescued her, and it seemed to have been strongly implied that he was actually there and saved her himself. Instead, we find out in UC that he just gave her access to the hookshot and told her about Sergei's helicopter.

So it becomes a bit broader of an interpretation of the line rather than completely negating it.

I actually think the idea of Wesker physically being there sounds more logical than an injured woman using a hook shot to grab on to a fast moving helicopter's cargo and remain hanging on, despite the fact that the shockwave of the nuke probably should have knocked her off. Then she either goes completely undetected by Sergei and any people at the location of where they land...or they simply just don't care that a spy with the g-sample is tagging along. I never liked Ada's bit in UC simply because of how out of place it felt. Despite the fact that the facility was going to explode, she somehow manages to find time to bandage herself, escape to the sewers even though you had to take how many train cars/elevators to get there, and then battle through hordes of undead...with only her handgun. Right. I think the hookshot was just a throwback to re4.

Unless Ada was actually working with Sergei and they welcomed her aboard, which I dont think she was?

[Archelon]

I don't think Sherry was ever in Wesker's possession though, I think that's just a misunderstanding altogether. The Inside of Biohazard The Darkside Chronicles confirms that once she was taken into U.S. custody, Wesker had access to her through his spies in the U.S. Government. She was in his hands regardless. So, they kept that plot point from Wesker's Report but just changed it slightly.

I think they might have originally intended for Wesker to have actually captured Sherry, but once that plot point was dropped, they altered the meaning of the line slightly so that it fit in better with the current plotline.

It's kind of like Ada escaping on Sergei's helicopter. In WR, Wesker says he rescued her, and it seemed to have been strongly implied that he was actually there and saved her himself. Instead, we find out in UC that he just gave her access to the hookshot and told her about Sergei's helicopter.

So it becomes a bit broader of an interpretation of the line rather than completely negating it.

[News Bot]

While I agree that Leon wasn't the thing at the end and it was a B.O.W I also think Leon didn't die. It's my opinion, certainly, but given how unwilling Capcom are to allow a character to be killed off and that Capcom had to have OK'd Gaiden, I suspect if it was cannon he'd have survived, maybe escaping in a rubber dingy he found while hunting for additional hair gel.

I do also suspect it could have been linked to 3.5. Not in the infection - we know Leon becomes infected in the game, we see that in the trailers. But in some other way.

Right now, it's all moot. Neither yourself nor Kylie has any solid evidence one way or another. Until someone produces such it's all speculation.

Indeed. Regardless, topic isn't about Gaiden and magazines which may or may not exist. Let's get back to Wesker's Report.

[Darkmoon]

I don't think it really needs to be said, it's pretty evident. Sugimura's canon never referenced Gaiden once and this wasn't going to change with any of his versions of BH4. People like KylieDog misunderstand the whole Gaiden plot device of the B.O.W. impersonation and get the idea that Leon was actually "infected", which is simply nonsense (by bleeding green blood, even though Gaiden makes it explicitly clear that bleeding green blood means that the subject isn't human, it's the B.O.W.). For one thing, the B.O.W. is made with the t-virus at best, while Leon was infected with the Progenitor virus.

While I agree that Leon wasn't the thing at the end and it was a B.O.W I also think Leon didn't die. It's my opinion, certainly, but given how unwilling Capcom are to allow a character to be killed off and that Capcom had to have OK'd Gaiden, I suspect if it was cannon he'd have survived, maybe escaping in a rubber dingy he found while hunting for additional hair gel.

I do also suspect it could have been linked to 3.5. Not in the infection - we know Leon becomes infected in the game, we see that in the trailers. But in some other way.

Right now, it's all moot. Neither yourself nor Kylie has any solid evidence one way or another. Until someone produces such it's all speculation.

[Mr. Spencer]

ban news bot

I agree with this sentiment. Ban that cunt.