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  • #76
    Originally posted by Dark_Chris View Post
    Rev 2 will have serial structure like Rev 1. Not sure if I like this.
    Makes sense given the protagonist changing that'll be going on. Hopefully it's executed a little better than REV which had too many changes.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by News Bot View Post
      Makes sense given the protagonist changing that'll be going on. Hopefully it's executed a little better than REV which had too many changes.
      Well yeah. I just hope they scrap the whole "Previously on Resident Evil Revelations..." or at least make it optional.
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      • #78
        To be honest I like when games do that, was cool in AitD, Alan Wake and Rev.
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        • #79
          I am very okay with breaking the game up by chapters.

          As long as they don't introduce chucklefuck characters like the first Revelaitons. Good thing the 3 characters we know of thus far only joke around when it's necessary, such as after saving your partner from a malevolent ceiling trap, or plant.

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          • #80
            I like episodes and "previously on...", but I don't like stupid cliffhangers just there to mess with your mind, without actual thought put into them, like REV1 is full of. The Semiramis trick was a good one, I was like "eh, didn't see THAT one coming" and I really enjoyed it, but all the stupidity surrounding Raymond and Jessica was too much to bear.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Sly View Post
              I like episodes and "previously on...", but I don't like stupid cliffhangers just there to mess with your mind, without actual thought put into them, like REV1 is full of. The Semiramis trick was a good one, I was like "eh, didn't see THAT one coming" and I really enjoyed it, but all the stupidity surrounding Raymond and Jessica was too much to bear.
              Yeah, a lot of the twists don't make sense once you get the full story.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by Dracarys View Post
                Yeah, a lot of the twists don't make sense once you get the full story.
                Actually it does make sense. It's just Western audiences never got the full story...
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Dracarys View Post
                  Yeah, a lot of the twists don't make sense once you get the full story.
                  What doesn't make sense?

                  Morgan was an advisor to the Federation of Pharmaceutical Companies before he became FBC Commissioner. TRICELL enlisted him to aid development of t-Abyss by supplying the research team with the cruise ships seized from Umbrella by the U.S. government.

                  Jessica and Raymond are both TRICELL spies sent to infiltrate the FBC and later the BSAA to keep tabs on each organization.

                  Morgan betrays TRICELL by killing the research team and keeping t-Abyss for himself, which leads to Jessica and Raymond being ordered to undermine him. In Raymond's case, he cooperates with the BSAA on a plan that allows him to expose Morgan and recover a sample of t-Abyss. In Jessica's case, she pretends to work for Morgan in order to distract the BSAA and allow Raymond's recovery of the virus to succeed.
                  Jessica and Raymond are genuinely shocked during the Terragrigia Panic because they... are. TRICELL didn't want it to happen. It was Morgan acting on his own for his personal "greater good." So they threw him under the bus.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by TheBatMan View Post
                    Actually it does make sense. It's just Western audiences never got the full story...
                    Even with the full story was no reason for Jessica to shoot Raymond. It makes sense when the story is setting them up as double agents but then it ends up they are triple agents working together, making shooting him stupid.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Dracarys View Post
                      Even with the full story was no reason for Jessica to shoot Raymond. It makes sense when the story is setting them up as double agents but then it ends up they are triple agents working together, making shooting him stupid.
                      She knew he was wearing a bulletproof jacket.
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                      • #86
                        Newsbot : Thanks for the educational input, I did not get the whole picture about Tricell's deep involvement in the story. But that doesn't account for the silliness of a lot of scenes in the game.

                        Those BSAA idiots didn't even check on Raymond to see if he was dead or not. He obviously wasn't bleeding, he didn't even properly fake his death. And what about that totally unnecessary fall on the back from several meters high ? That must have hurt, even if he was a former stuntman. And then Jessica takes yet another shot at Raymond but silly Parker gets in the way. I mean, I know they do that to protect Raymond's cover, but that's just going too far, it's not believable in the slightest.

                        Another example of totally unnecessary cliffhanger : Raymond attacking Jill from behind. Why the hell did he do that ? He could have gotten himself killed for that, for no reason ! Then there's a shot, but we don't immediately see who shot at who. But that soon becomes irrelevant because no one was hurt. Then why shoot in the first place ? For the sake of the goddamn cheesy cliffhanger.
                        This kind of cheap storytelling must go away, it does more harm than good in the long run.

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                        • #87
                          The others were in a rush, sinking ship and all that. Raymond was wearing two layers of clothing, hence no blood. The fall hurting is pretty inconsequential. How is shooting him in his bulletproof jacket unbelievable? Their entire purpose in the mission is to sell each others roles. Raymond tried to subdue Jill but failed, at that point he was still trying to keep O'Brian's plan a secret and frame himself as the jerk FBC agent he was infamous as. Parker recognized him and fired a warning shot at him, which is why he "missed."

                          Don't you remember that Ada "died" in Leon's arms? The same logic applies to Raymond's fake death. Ada/Raymond faked their death pretty well and the others just didn't have time to check. They received otherwise killing wounds and looked to have died, it would look rather goofy if they stuck around to check their pulse. While that may not sound logically appealing, checking pulses in a dramatically framed scene isn't appealing from a storytelling perspective either.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                            She knew he was wearing a bulletproof jacket.
                            This and the fact she revelled in being Morgan's stooge.

                            It'e evident throughout the whole game that Raymond's main motivation is to expose Lansdale. His orders from Tricell may have been to recover a viral sample, but his own personal motivation was because he was absolutely disgusted at what Lansdale did to Terragrigia. That's why he ultimately teamed up with O'Brian to orchestrate the whole chain of events; they both wanted the same thing and the sample was of secondary importance to him. As he says in the game; 'Nothing will change unless you get your hands dirty.' He actually gets hold of a sample before the game even begins, but still continues in his guise as Veltro because he wants the FBC head honcho bringing down for good.

                            The opposite can be said of Jessica. She was different in that she wanted the sample for Tricell but did not have that same burning desire to expose Lansdale. She enjoyed both working for him and exploiting him at the same time for her own personal gain. She saves his bacon several times in the game when she really doesn't need to, such as by rigging the Semeramis to blow and setting the self-destruct for the Zenobia to get rid of any evidence about his involvement in t-Abyss and Veltro. I believe she shot Raymond because she didn't want him to expose Morgan to the authorities before she had the chance to get away. There was always the chance that with Lansdale exposed, he would name Jessica as his accomplice whilst she was still trapped on the ship with Chris and co. It could even be argued that she just wanted the sample for Tricell and actually wanted Morgan to get away with things so she could continue working for him in the future.

                            So basically, she shot him because she panicked and improvised. Raymond's desire to expose Morgan forced her hand. But yeah, she knew he had a bullet proof vest on.

                            This action then puts Raymond in an awkward position as he is forced to play dead and is unmasked as Veltro, meaning suddenly everyone believes he is responsible for everything and all his careful planning has backfired. Therefore, in order to shift the onus of blame off him and back onto Lansdale, he exposes Jessica as Morgan's spy to Parker on the bridge.

                            But at the end of the day, it was mission complete. They both met up in a cafe, had a cup of tea and had a good laugh about the whole thing. Raymond got what he wanted with Morgan behind bars, and Jessica got what she wanted when he hands her the sample.

                            It's either that or just an extraordinary coincidence that Jessica just happened to walk into the casino at the exact time Raymond was about to reveal the whole thing, which admittedly is a possibility for this series...
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                            • #89
                              Newsbot, I don't buy it sorry. Leon had excuses, Ada was literally drowning in a pool of her own blood and the place was about to blow any minute.
                              The BSAA have no excuse. At that point in time, they are not really in a rush. Maybe they should, but they don't act as if they were during this particular scene. Raymond was dressed as a fully equipped Veltro soldier, wearing a bulletproof vest is kind of expected, besides, this is not the kind of item you can just hide from veteran soldiers, they should know better.
                              I could have bought Raymond whispering "I'm playing dead, Jessica is the bitch, play along will you ?" to Parker, because he was the only one to actually tend to Raymond, but we see later that Parker is surprised by Raymond's comeback so it does not work, sadly.

                              Anyway, the point I'm trying to make here, is that you can of course explain anything that happens in the story, but that doesn't change the fact that, for me, the "staging" is cheap, unnecessarily convoluted, put too much emphasis on cheesy cliffhangers, and leaves a bad taste in the mouth after the credits roll. Knowing why things happen doesn't make them sound less stupid I'm afraid.

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                              • #90
                                I'm not its biggest fan either, but we agree that there's reasoning behind it. Contrived or not.
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