HD Collection PS3 Exclusive (Hah! 360 too) /New VAs

[Rombie]

I remember a 2011 release being mentioned, I presumed the 2012 delay was because they decided to do a 360 version afterall.

I think you're right about the 360 thing.

I found where the 2011 date came from after I posted. When the HD set was officially confirmed at E3, well prior specifically - from Konami's pre conference, no date was mentioned at all in regards to it (and Book of Memories also announced). Then there was some comments in reply to questioning at the E3 that it would be a target for "winter." That I knew.

I've found a few links from late July saying that Konami said Sept/October 2011 but nothing official had appeared anywhere I'd looked, including the July news and press info pages at Konami's official website.

http://www.konami.com/news/index/2011-07/

I dug a bit more and someone mentioned the first two screens released in July came with a fact sheet that had a tentative date as above and that HiJinx Studios is the one doing the HD port.

The full fact sheet is up on Joystiq. It matches the same info I saw on Gamestop (date excluded) when the redone voice acting came to light.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/07/25/silent-hill-hd-collection-coming-in-september-october-first-s/

When the 360 version was confirmed in August at Gamescom there was no mention of any date again at all only both would come out simultaneously when it did arrive. So, yeah I think you are right.

[Dracarys]

What bugs me about this is that everyone else lames blame on Guy. He drove Konami to do this by being outspoken about it. But is he really at fault if every actor in those games has the legal right to press charges over this? If not him it could very well have been anyone else.

From statements given by people on both sides I see it like this:


- In Japan, at least back then (dunno about now) what Konami did was standard practice. A one off fee for the VAs and that was it, nothing more. A couple VAs releated to SH have said this on both sides, I've also heard it from oter VAs not releated to SH or talking about this situation.

- Guy Cihi who isn't really in the business thinks he deserves more money from other uses of his work in the game. Perhaps in other countries where legality is better regulated this is true, but either way he has spent a long long time kicking up a enourmous stink about it.

- Perhaps Konami and original VAs could have worked something out, only we will never know because Guys constant shitstorm over the issue has made everything a rather unpleasent, hostile and awkward environment, and they cannot approach the others without including him.


I perhaps feel some empathy for the other VAs, who new they didn't get the best of deals but accepted it. I think I have a rather strong dislike for Guy who flung shit everywhere and now everything is a mess he waives his rights and says "Yeah use it, I don't care anymore, do it for the fans!". We would probably have had the original VAs if not for his actions alone and his actions alone mean every single VA have to waive rights also now or else his gesture is even more empty.

As I have said, replacing the original VAs doesn't really bother me but I understand fans who feel a special like for them, however I cannot grasp why anyone is defending this guy (what a perfectly unintended double entendre).

People seem to think the HD set has been delayed because it's out next year, but when it was first announced Konami said the same thing, 2012 release.

I remember a 2011 release being mentioned, I presumed the 2012 delay was because they decided to do a 360 version afterall.

I believe I owe you an apology and must retract my earlier statement about Jeremy's direction.

I don't believe is need of an apology, you said nothing offensive and just disagreed. But thanks for the sentiment.

[riderkid]

so konami made sumtin we as fans won't buy cause they shit on a good tihng?

ok, got, getting old copies for cheaper...anyone got extras of SH 2 3 and 4 for cheap?

[Rombie]

People seem to think the HD set has been delayed because it's out next year, but when it was first announced Konami said the same thing, 2012 release. For some reason a number of retailers had it listed over the next couple of months (something that the MGS set has had as well, listed over multiple months except it is due out soon) but I don't think it was ever set for this year. It may have been delayed further into next year than originally planned due to this though, no doubt.

Jeremy's comments are still slightly unexpected to me, for someone who's been in situations where his public voice has been questioned, blaming Guy for something he does (and Jeremy knows, as stated) have a legal option to is interesting. Jeremy never went the legal way as far as I'm aware, but I'm sure it crossed his mind.

But there is two sides to this, yes Guy probably pushed it too far about legal demands, but given the cost Konami has put in re-recording and the whole chances this will impact on the sales and the cost of making the whole HD thing the first place, it was also a chance to begin with for Konami just to pay the original actors the money they've ended up spending anyway. They had that chance to smooth it over which they ignored, and re-recording it basically confirmed the reverse attack.

Given recent events it'd seemed to me fairly obvious that SH3 will be revoiced too, based on the fact obviously that one of the voice cast is also in SH2 and for the same reasons Jeremy mentioned.

In the end though, I agree - I think the whole thing is a shit fest, and I'm honestly starting to wish Konami didn't bother with the whole thing.

[Smiley]

She didn't say they were terrible. Just that they were non-actors. She even did an imitation of Angela and laid blame on Guy like Troy Baker has done. At the moment Monica (original Mary/Maria voice) has gotten involved in Guy's defense and spoke out about her acting experience. The original voice of Eddie will have his own interview at some point about the whole mess.

Recently Jeremy Blaustein has opened up on the subject and blamed Guy as well for the recast. When I talked with him (as well as read the comments on the SH forum he replied to) he expressed that if Guy hadn't threaten to sue then Konami wouldn't have felt the need to recast. Even if they have no contracts and all the actors could very well press charges if they felt like it, Konami has decided to move along with the new voices.

So that's why people are blaming Guy Cihi. He was outspoken about the legal issues and threatened to sue. In Guy's defense though he was right about Konami having no contracts, and because Konami doesn't want to sort out each original actor to waive their rights they opted to play it safe and go with new actors. Guy recently waived his rights instead of suing with the hope that the original actors can still be placed back in even as an option. Despite Guy not getting any reply back from Konami the HD collection has been delayed apparently.

Boy, that's a lot to type out in the thick of things. Such a messy situation all over poor communication and business practices with one another. ;

Because there are plenty of people like me who believe the performances are not good by VA standards, only by video game VA standards, and VG VA standards are much better now than they were 10 years ago.

I believe I owe you an apology and must retract my earlier statement about Jeremy's direction. No doubt I enjoy the work of the original actors as does a lot of outspoken fans, but there was something Jeremy had said recently that reminded me of your opinion. Even though he's passionate about his work on the SH series and has grown fond of actors he's worked with it does seem as though he would do things differently this time around.


"All I know is what you guys know. But yes, I do believe SH3 will also be rerecorded unfortunately. Basically the problem is that Guy has demonstrated that voice actors can whip up trouble on this issue now so they (Konami) are being forced to play it safe. Perhaps if threats had never been issued, Konami would not feel like a cornered animal forced to defend -but that is the situation now and the only safe play was to rerecord.

Having said that, it should also be said that not all of the acting was top notch so even given the choice myself, I would do some re-recording with real professionals."---Jeremy Blaustein

I do wonder what characters he would have had re-recorded.

[rewak]

From my perpective, Guy is causing excessive anger and hatred even towards Konami -the very company that created what you all love so much. Does that even make sense?

Yes, because Konami is CHANGING what we all love so much. It's a Lucas type situation, fans hate him because he constantly fucks with the series they love so much. Doesn't stop him though, won't stop Konami either sadly. If the case honestly truly is that Guy has no ground in his allegations, that they're completely false and he's just up on a high horse, then why oh why are all the voices redone? They keep saying "no contracts can be found so we can't prove it", which is the lamest excuse i've heard in my life.

[DXP]

Can someone quickly get me up to speed on exactly happened with this? I have read a few replies but what I can make out is Mary Elizabeth McGlynn has what gone and said that the original VA's were terrible or something like that? Because if that's the case....uh no the original VA's were fine for 2 I got a twin peaks vibe off it hence why I enjoyed it, and as for this HD remake crap I won't be getting it I have my originals for that.

[Smiley]

Got in contact with Jeremy. Without beating a dead horse it goes back to the lack of contracts on Konami's part. All the actors are capable of suing them for the reuse of their performances. So even if Guy waives his rights that's just one actor out of the entire cast of two games.

I guess we can safely say they'd rather use a new cast than go through with that as sad as it may be.

So despite Guy's efforts I fear this may be too little too late. What bugs me about this is that everyone else lames blame on Guy. He drove Konami to do this by being outspoken about it. But is he really at fault if every actor in those games has the legal right to press charges over this? If not him it could very well have been anyone else.

[Mr. Spencer]

Who did Michael Ironside play in a Silent Hill game? I don't see it in his credits on Wikipedia...

Sam Fisher

Hell, if Michael Ironside voiced Lightning in FFXIII it would have been a 10/10 game right there.

[Smiley]

Evidently they all still get along (Or at least they say they do on Facebook which is why I sent a friend request to him on Monica's page). When I asked Jeremy about it in the past he was pretty reluctant to answer but said he found the whole thing sad. Despite his falling out on projects before I do see him sending comments to Kojima on twitter and he has Tomm Hulett as a friend on facebook also.

Guy said that more interviews are on the way. I guess someone informed him. Devin Shatsky (Downpour producer) and David Schaufele (original Eddie from SH2). I'm curious on David's take because that might make or break Guy and Monica's claims.

[Rombie]

I'd expected Blaustein to say something, but wow, attacking Cihi was not what I expected.

I expected that he'd say replacing the original work was screwing with what he and the original team developed and directed. But he didn't. Considering how outspoken he is normally about people screwing with his work, this really did surprise me.

[Gradon]

First he's moaning that Guy is being unreasonable with his face being blurred out, saying yada yada, I wasn't bothered I was pretty much cut out.
Well Guy isn't you, and he isn't forced to feel that it's OK his face was cut out of the making of.
Also he mentions there were contracts signed back then - All of the voice actors to date who have spoke up said there weren't any signed contracts, and if there were wouldn't there be residules for re-releases, or wouldn't that make it clear from the start Konami would fuck them over.
Everyones just bitching like children now, be assed with keeping up with it all.
I'm leant more towards Guy and Monicas side, but people can think and say what they want, it's all like a bloody playground for school kids.

[riderkid]

http://survivalhorroronline.com/2011/09/21/jeremy-blaustein-talks-about-the-silent-hill-hd-collection-voice-over-controversy/

anyone want to hear this guys opinion?

personally i dun care anymore. im about to just ask my friend instead of a gmae for christmas to get me a PS@ and silent hill 2 3 and 4. Might be cheaper in the long run!

[Canas Renvall]

Who did Michael Ironside play in a Silent Hill game? I don't see it in his credits on Wikipedia...

[Mr. Spencer]

You can't replace Michael Ironside.